GoEV | Driving SHORT RANGE electric cars on LONG DISTANCE journeys? | Test & Results

[@edwyncorteen1527]

51 kWh is not a small battery! Our first EV was a 24kWh Leaf which I happily drove all over the UK, fortunately I was not in a rush!😁

[@jamesgee3616]

FYI the advertised rate is 76kW not 120kW - the limit on every stop was the batter temperature; the MG has a battery heater setting in the central screen which would have almost guaranteed higher charge rates at a lower state of charge. Nice to see your real world experiences though!

[@vascularlab]

Very useful video. Can you do one on maintenance . Do you top up anything on EV cars?

[@ismailatan725]

EV charging depends on the car, and whether it is AC or DC. For MG, it seems that the max AC charging rate is up to 10kwh with 7kwh being the average. As for DC it seems to max out at 60kwh with 50kwh being the average.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

You highlight a trip to London, we regularly do this trip to see family on the south south west of London. This trip we do as a return trip in one day as we both share the driving, timed at around 2hrs each. Using an EV we would be unable to undertake this trip. Fuel consumption with a diesel (producing half the CO2 of a petrol engine) starting with a full tank with no refill, leaves us with enough fuel to still do about 200miles. EV’s are being pushed ahead of the technology available. You can see the TV adverts ‘were you miss-sold an EV.’

[@pokerman111111111111]

Please rephrase that to "unwilling to undertake this trip" an EV is more than capable. if you want it to work it will if dont want it to work it wont. i do 400 miles regular in my 40kwh zoe with 1 x 40 mins stop each way while i eat,toilet etc and 150 miles for £2.40 on home charger is so much cheaper than diesel at £1.70 a litre if you can find any

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

@@pokerman111111111111 simply my brother in law has a so called ‘high range’ EV, I can assure you that what he was told about the range is not seen in reality!!! Furthermore with 2 drivers I don’t need 40 Min stops for ‘coffee and doughnuts’. I also recall Guy Martin’s program about the EV, at the end they worked out that his long distance trip would have been easier and cheaper if the EV had been a diesel!!!!

[@judebrown4103]

@@JohnSmith-bx8zb try listening to programmes made by the many different people who live with EV's day to day, if you only listen to petrolheads like Guy Martin you'll get a petrolheads opinion. Whoever told you diesel is less polluting than petrol is a joke. They're both toxic. So because you have a co-pilot the rest of the human race in your vicinity can suck in your fumes. Nice thoughtful humanitarian attitude. Please, please just do some proper research before you spout this rubbish. You'll give Robert Llewellyn of Fully Charged a seizure! Oh and btw, yes like all vehicles battery evs work less efficiently in the winter. It is also dependant on driving style, as with a petrol or diesel vehicle a lighter foot saves range. With an ev of course you can actually add plenty of range by careful driving, can't re-use petrol.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

@@judebrown4103 it’s not rubbish it’s the fact that currently battery technology is not ready to do the job. Personally I am waiting for the Toyota ‘solid state’ battery to come on line. As for the electricity generation to produce electricity for the charging is produced by burning gas, nuclear and coal all with pollution problems. In addition to preserve the power grid EV charging at home under certain daily conditions is to be banned. So if you agree to let the grid tap power from your EV you may just come home to a flat battery and no way of charging it and no way of moving it. The newest Diesel engines are allowed inside clean air zones. The biggest source of particulates produced by road traffic is from tyres and breaks something that EV’s produce. Diesel engines produce half the CO2 that petrol engines produce. It as also been realised that wood burning stoves produce considerable more harmful particulate than Diesel engines.

[@judebrown4103]

@@JohnSmith-bx8zb current battery technology is doing the job just fine with batteries lasting far longer in a far more efficient state of health than ever was expected. The National Grid has said that battery driven vehicles can actually help to balance the grid with the technology in cars now. There is a correlation with ev owners and people having solar pv with battery storage and all the Myenergi* tech such as the Zappi charger, the Eddi and the Harvi which all regulate the use of power for water and home heating, car charging, battery charging and sending power from the pv back to the grid. *There are other brands with similar products, I am not affiliated to them in any way. If you would just have a look on KZbin there are plenty of genuine people who are just wanting to make the world a cleaner greener, safer, smarter place for children to grow up in. The things you are saying are what is known as FUD spread by the press and oil and car companies like Toyota who have a vested interest in continuing to polute us all with oils. Clean diesel is not clean however much you'd like to believe it. Tyres on EV's produce no more and quite possibly fewer particulates with the latest tyres than those on combustion engine cars. As for brake particulates... what brake particulates? An ev uses regenerative engine braking so produces far fewer particulates than those brakes on your clean diesel. Of course whilst slowing down using its regenerative braking it is regaining some of the energy its used making a saving on the already cheap running costs too. Edit: oh yes that article you read in the Mail about "charging evs at home to be banned at certain times"? No-one in their right mind charges an ev at those peak hour rates anyway so it's a complete non story. You may see someone come home at five thirty after work and plug in but the car or the charger will be set to charge for a few set hours in the night on cheap rate. That might only be once a week or less for most so hardly a strain on the grid.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Queston: Did you phone Electric Highway when at the charger that wouldn’t take your cards so they know there’s an issue?

[@Dogtagnan]

The thing about EV ownership is, that you'll be driving a wide variety of distances, short and long, your route determined by the availability of charging points en route. That means you will quite often be topping up the battery in a manner that is less than optimum. Won't that affect battery degradation?

[@dcbel]

Nice content and useful video, thank you for sharing! ⚡🔌🚘

[@annaflood843]

How do I connect my apple phone ? Husbands works, but mine won’t link into Apple on the screen. Please advice. I need it to use Waze when driving solo but can’t …..

[@ChorleyGroup]

Make sure you're using a genuine Apple cable to connect, as some of the cheaper charging cables don't have the data-rate required to support Carplay. Use the right-hand USB port on the dashboard.

[@kinross24]

Only real issue I’d have with a shorter range car v longer is if you do regularly drive longer range in a day than battery range allows, you’ll be rapid charging regularly which will degrade your battery much more than the longer range car which could possibly just get by with ac charging at home and therefore be better for battery health

[@pokerman111111111111]

Not really due to battery thermal management you might lose 1% a year.

[@judebrown4103]

I came here on a search for info about that. The standard range batteries are supposed to be LFP on these which I understand can be charged to 100% and left full without degrading. The long range batteries are li-ion which should be kept between 20% and 80% unless you need more for a longer run. Trying to work out if that fact evens out the relative usable capacity of them making it worth the saving on the SR.... 🤔

[@2011ppower]

Charging infrastructure is the main problem slowing ev adoption. There are plenty of affordable care, if you lease, with reasonable range if only you could gaurantee there would be a working charger where you needed it!

[@andreazelli4077]

Ma chi fa 400 miglia al giorno? Ottimo e sensato scegliere la batteria da 50kwh se si fa solo saltuariamente autostrada.

[@adammetselaar4012]

I have a Kona ev 311 mile range which lets it down UK chargers at motorway services grid serve most of the time can not be trusted to charge at such a shame a lot of talk but that's why others are taking market share

[@RogerBaileyOnCars]

Employing physics should tell everyone that the EV movement is unlikely to work in its present form despite what the evangelists and paid experts say. Using gas to generate electricity to power cars makes little sense, and expecting our electricity infrastructure to cope is naïve.

[@ismailatan725]

With the present battery technology, this is very true. But the future brings hope.

[@pokerman111111111111]

so many test so much proof that the grid can cope yet people still trot out the same old drivel, there are several energy companies that only use renewables. cry all you want,make up whatever nonsense you want IT IS HAPPENING . i havent got a problem with you selling your car and walking so crack on

[@judebrown4103]

Where do you people get these ideas from???!!! Gridserve use the sun to power their forecourts... Battery storage is the norm at most charging stations with solar power. Sometimes they have to run from the grid but that uses majority renewable power these days. Even if it was run entirely on gas 24/7 charging and running an ev is still cleaner than running a petrol or diesel car. Did you ever ask: "oh dear, I wonder where my fuel has come from, how is it made, is it clean?"? No of course you didn't! Do some proper research... And just because the majority of info you find is contradicting what you believe it doesn't mean they're all evangelists and nutters it might just mean you're wrong!

[@francisdoran971]

But it has to start somewhere. When the ICE was in its infancy, people said it wouldn't take off, but it did. But after 150 years of development the ICE still only converts about 30% of the energy into forward motion. Don't forget petrol and diesel also have to be "mined" refined and delivered to distribution points (garages). A lot of energy and CO2 getting to the final product. Serious EV and battery development is in its infancy. Give it 10 years and it will be far more effective than the ICE, with better range, less weight and less pollution. Current EVs don't suit everyone, but by 2035, when ICE sales are banned, EVs will be far superior to where we are now. Give it time.

[@peromalmstrom7668]

400 miles = 3+ stops = Total time of cumulative stops - never mentioned, interesting, why? EV fans talk of 'range anxiety' and how to over-come, which is ultimately false. Regardless of fuel, range anxiety always exists. What does not exist in an ICE, is cumulative hours the vehicle is parked at a charger = time. The most precious gift we can give someone is TIME. After a 10 hour working day, that time is with family, not a charging point. Regardless of views on ICE vs EV and the environment debate, all media needs to cover 'TIME' with stops. If i have to travel, as I did today, from Hereford to Carlisle and back again in the same day, 800+ mile round-road-trip, I needed to calculate my 'pit-stops' in my time-line planning of the day. 1x stop = 10 minutes, 8 hours on the road and 1hr 30mins for the required work end of the working trip, all to fit in a 10hr working day with a little fudge time. Note, 10 mins is all that was required for a refuel/toilet stop. Toilet, drink, food was all done prior to departure, on-route with a pack lunch, toilet at garage stop, toilet at work destination and again upon arrival home (Just encase some questioned this!) This EV in your video or even the longer range version, working on your equations shown in the video......pit-stops time??? NOT WORKABLE. Yes, agreed, electric journey would have been arguably cheaper and environmentally healthier (regards journey emissions, depending on where recharge electricity was being generated from), but the most precious thing, TIME that we all strive for and pay a premium for, is PRICELESS. I can never get that family time back again. Always show real honest truthful TIME in this equation, as it is the MOST valuable element. Then it allows people to choose what works for them, EV or ICE with current tech availability. Don't do as the EV chargers did in your video, give a real-world misleading charge rate TIME.

[@jp6975]

@pero What you've confirmed is that an EV is not the right car for you at this moment in time. Maybe in the years to come it might change. For many people it's a "good" choice. I'm no EV fanboy by any means. An EV would be a massive inconvenience to my European camping trips - but horses for courses. Once the prices come down and charging infrastructure gets better your 800 mile journey might be acceptable to do in an EV... but the noise from ICE, especially a V8, will be missed.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@jp6975 An even bigger inconvenience will be when petrol and diesel supply becomes problematic. It will happen at some point..... The first signs maybe 10 to 12 years from now??

[@ismailatan725]

I had reservations about adopting EV use. So, I decided to lease one for 3 months instead of buying. So far, I find that it fits nicely into my schedule. I charge while I eat. Slow or fast depends on the balance available charge. From 20% to 95% (car stops accepting fast DC charging at 95%) will take around 40 mins which would be a typical meal time. When my family goes shopping or somewhere for entertainment, we can be at it for hours, I opt for AC (slow) charging which will take the car to 100% and "condition" the battery. The only change is that I now hardly visit places which do not have chargers, which frankly is no loss. With an EV, I save about 60% in refueling costs, compared to my other daily diesel drive. Compared to my another petrol drive, I save about 80%. Very happy overall.

[@jp6975]

@@Brian-om2hh @Brian Yes, agreed. Here in the UK there are plans to stop selling petrol/diesel cars in around 10 years. That will mean the number of fuel vendors will then start to decline... so availability a few years later could become an issue. The current price of diesel is mind blowing! I think some people will be priced off the road before diesel and petrol become more scarce though. Rock and a hard place for most people. Ever increasing fuel costs versus the big outlay for an EV. My XC90 now costs £107 to fill (!!!)

[@jp6975]

@@ismailatan725 Interesting. Sounds like you do most of your charging away from home. Do you have a home charger installed as well? I still have small reservations about going EV but 99% of my charging will be at home so I've decided to go for it on a 3 year lease. I don't think I'd want a European road trip in one though so I'll hire an ICE when needed for that 40 mins for a meal? You certainly seem to follow dieticians and medical advice to chew 13 times.. 😅😅👍