[GOING SEVENTEEN] EP.101 13인의 성난 사람들 #1 (13 Angry Men #1)

[@lavluffy]

Minghao is a philosophist, Wonwoo is a law student, Jun is a realist, Vernon is the future president, and woozi is a big ROMANTIST

[@ashley_ilagan]

Waaaa you nailed it

[@neri859]

What’s more accurate than the word accurate? This comment! Hahahaha

[@svetjemali]

Meanwhile Dino is the scientist, Jeonghan is psychologist, DK illogical humanist Hoshi: horanghae

[@itspribanerjee]

Yesss

[@imangel2708]

@@svetjemali Seungkwan: *the unexpected sacrifice*

[@chocolatecatto]

Just by seeing the quiet but savage line, Jun, Hao and Vernon for the thumbnail, you know how legendary this Going will be.

[@basicallyimhuman]

HAHAHAHAH

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

Ha

[@Lv_leeh]

frfr hahahaha

[@woniewon0]

frrrr

[@Misunagi]

Fr😂😂😂

[@pratishthamukherjee7855]

Let's all appreciate how jeonghan handled 11 loud people all by himself

[@sunitatiwari7504]

He is good at it

[@jeonghyawn]

fr

[@Yoonzino_1004]

Haha ikr, the vice leader was doing his job well, even though they were becoming chaotic at some point LoL.

[@valen_nnn]

Vice vice leader was radio silent🤣

[@cscjhy2032]

the struggle iz real hahaha

[@zlkate]

I love how they named this episode as "13 Angry Men" even if Scoups isn't physically present.

[@fra4745]

It’s cause Coups has perpetua anger issues so you can be sure he WOULD be angry 😂😂

[@라오슈-j7t]

Oh i noticed this for your mention. Thanks!

[@your_sweetchaos]

But this is also their habit, whenever and wherever, they always say "the 13 of us" that's why I love them so much 💖💙💖💙💖💙💖💙💖💙💖💙💖

[@JordynNexus]

What makes it even better is it’s named after a very old famous movie called “12 angry men” and the movie was about 12 jurors that were on a particular case and 11 of them voted one way, and 1 voted the other, but they needed a unanimous vote to get a verdict - it’s about not allowing your prejudices and biases to influence your decision making. Anyway there was 12 in the original movie and there was 12 in this but they still named it 13 angry men even tho cheol wasn’t there which is very svt and very sweet 😂🥹

[@srj.m.]

Everytime Seventeen does a debate episode I get amazed by seeing Jun, The8 and Vernon, they just straight up throw facts.

[@hello_world_wz]

인정 너무 논리적이라 놀람

[@marshcellow]

I feel like Joshua is just there for attendance 😭😂

[@jirahlynarcabal9036]

I doubt dude even cared for his screentime hahah

[@오연채널봐]

▲🐽

[@gabby4290]

THAT'S ME IN MY COLLEGE ERA LOL

[@noxolo_jili]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@carmy2830]

We need more content like this to open them out because i really like how Hao, Jun, Vernon became talkative when they more like to observe the members. When a quiet person speaks, it’s usually a well thought out and highly quality opinion.

[@bernadethbautista547]

For real

[@chareesasilo3538]

Well, introvert thingz ✨

[@PhuongNguyen-vk3wi]

I love how Vernon waited to hear everyone's opinion and then decided to end the debate. His public speaking is definitely one of the best here, he literally spoke up everyone's minds

[@opheliaforgetmenots]

his communication skills are probably the best in svt.

[@zaraarshad4346]

The legendary words by DK 12:52 "Murdering the physical form isn't the only kind of murder."

[@everywon-u]

맞아 맞아

[@kiki.plusbae]

Woozi is literally a romantic man with logical thought And Vernon is realistic with the warm heart

[@brit1317]

REALNESS! AND JUNHUI IS UNDENIABLY GREAT AT MAKING POINTS THAT MAKES SENSE (ijbol those three def stood out to me)

[@silvernonenthusiast]

From this episode, Vernon, Dino, Myungho, Mingyu and Jun's reasoning is the most standout and most logical for me!

[@saieuko]

Trueeeeee

[@katrinatunacao2393]

I think Woozi too.

[@Fari_atkidult18]

​@@katrinatunacao2393he romanticised the topic and all of them stuck to the logic till the end😂😂😂

[@elizacaneteshields2130]

woozi got me and i feel like because of woozi's reasoning, vernon's reasoning became much firmer because they agree with each other

[@paperrocket2870]

Jun does well in debate episode but here i think he himself got confused and the other team was quite strong

[@voldemort_sunbaenim]

the way shua only opened his mouth to point out that jun is sulking and never opened his mouth again 😂😂

[@noxolo_jili]

😂😂😂😂

[@sallapauliina]

Jun is the star of every debate episode ever.

[@ARANDOMPERSONONTHENET]

But tbh his points are on point and made most sense , for example if u kill remy from Ratatouille it doesn't count as murder even in that universe as we do see many de** rats showcased . Another good point he made was that they need to be human "homo sapiens" with 7 senses and made of live cells and water not of dried parenchyma . So even if he does have a life force he would NOT be murdered but still vandalism isn't the right term either. So yeah 😄👍😅🎉

[@kkamiguri]

@@ARANDOMPERSONONTHENET can’t comment on ratatouille cause i can’t remember the story line already but for the second point, i guess it depends on how humans are viewed. humans are humans with laws made for humans because of how greatly humans have evolved and in pinocchio’s case, he was highly similar to a human with real individual thoughts and emotions (and became a human at the end) so imo pinocchio would be considered a human with rights in the pinocchio world so it’s a different and wider perspective of views of fiction (iykwim) it’s like what makes humans human? is it just because we are made the same in this world? but overall it’s a fun and lighthearted discussion in the ep hahahah!

[@CynthiaFugen]

I stand for Jun too. It was not a murder. Even you will watch the pinocchio when the he was hurt bcs of people, let say it was a sin but not murder bcs like what Jun said he is a puppet even he is talking or can feel emotion he is not Human he is made in wood that gifted to talk.

[@kkamiguri]

@@CynthiaFugen couldn’t understand some part but i could add some on! so a sin is a religious concept and you mentioned that pinocchio is gifted to talk - so who gifted the gift and if it was gifted, why is it a sin when a sin is an offense against the religious law and what did pinocchio do? so imo the concept of sin can’t really be applied here. pinocchio was able to talk and feel as an individual which is already what makes humans human. of course you can’t use the common world’s logic to look at pinocchio since it’s fictional and definitely non-existent in real life so when you’re in the fictional world, pinocchio is already equivalent to a human and would’ve been a norm (the same as the current humans in real world) and thus the argument for a murder~

[@ZiyuCheng-ly2kd]

But his rebuttal came out without thinking.

[@syoonzze]

“that’s so illogical”not even in a 5 minutes and yet the8 is already dissing dk 😭

[@jalankaki5138]

The funny thing is, they are on the same side 🤣

[@hibernatingfromlife]

that's his role in gose. Whether it's debate night or any content, dissing seventeen and questioning PDnims and carats😂😂😂

[@galerights8983]

Timestamp: 4:38

[@graceannpami5561]

Minghao "that was illogical" is so iconic HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@misfitmuggle]

Always minghao with the legendary diss lines 😂

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

Ooo

[@gingeryoongisupremacy7826]

like he was so fine this episode, i agreed with every single thing he said

[@kkamiguri]

not only his iconic line, his whole thought process and rationale was so valid imo! i’m on the murder team because of him

[@suncindy7629]

Agree❤

[@catapalangelm.8167]

This episode is cozy and full of opinions that need to be heard. I like how Jun stands for his ground, Jun chooses a side and he defends it, Hao for his ability to be emphatic and being eloquent and Vernon for his realistic view and Woozi for being romantic and also Dino as the starter as he defines words based on the dictionary, it's so smart of him to utilize words. I like how the quiet members are speaking up their thoughts. The dualism between emotional and rationality is a 10/10

[@MintChocoTulip]

*SVT :* **Debating while using morals and facts** *Wonwoo :* *NO RESIDENT REGISTRATION NUMBER = NOT HUMAN!!*

[@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife]

technically he's correct 😂

[@shpeps1k]

@@SleepIntoTheDiamondLife he really isn’t lol unregistered person may not be a citizen, but it doesn’t revolve their being as a human. and even absence of registration goes not mean that laws don’t apply to particular person

[@Donkatsu7]

@@shpeps1k but according to law you need certain proof to let everyone know that you exist in this society as a human hence you need to register and have a residence ,cause our life is becoming so documented nowadays

[@sg-lx8fk]

😅

[@chimchim9312]

​@@Donkatsu7 tanong mo kay Mayor Guo na may birth certificate 😂

[@seriyuninirmala5709]

As a person who studied law, they are so incredibly amazing. "Is there any reason why we should rely on existing law?" Woozi got the point.

[@axisboise]

but you have to rely on existing law in this situation, there is no precedent that will help pinocchio in this scenario though

[@halu3885]

Dino is really a smartass. He started finding the definitions - the most crucial point in debating in my opinion.

[@blehpat5828]

Agree! it was when he did that, that the room got more arguments to talk about!

[@zeestanwar1041]

This 💯

[@skirty25]

agreed 💯

[@kiradafoe8907]

and then there's wonu just mocking the members' arguments 😭😭😭😭 holding up the ipad saying "hello i am a human" ....

[@srividyauppalapati]

Vernon saying something being unacceptable or sad shouldn't be a reason to stop and not change the law just made me pause and feel really proud of him.

[@poem_12]

버논 정말 생각이 깊고 그걸 언어로 표현할 수 있는 논리력과 어휘력도 정말 뛰어남 처음 '죽인다'라는 말 때문에 애초에 논제가 성립하지 않는다는 점을 짚어낸 것도 대단했고, 안타까움이 그뿐으로 끝나서는 안 되고 실제로 그를 위한 제도의 개정이 필요하다는 것 우리 사회는 그렇게 발전해왔다는 말에서 머리를 한 대 맞은 것 같음... 피를 바쳐가며 현대 사회의 인권을 만들어낸 과거의 시민혁명이 떠오름과 동시에 아직 인권을 제대로 보장받지 못하는 소외된 이들을 위해 우리가 나아가야 할 발걸음을 가장 명쾌한 한 마디로 제시해준 것 같음. 사실 버논이야말로 모두를 위한 이상을 꿈꾸는 가장 낭만적인 사람임. 이런 이야기를 정리된 언어로 바로 꺼낼 수 있다는 게 평소에도 시사 문제를 주의 깊게 들여다보고 이에 대한 깊은 사색을 한다는 걸 말해주는 것 같아서 그냥 이 사람이 너무 좋아진다 동경의 대상, 가수로서뿐만이 아니라 인간 대 인간으로서도 정말 사랑스러운 존재임.

[@젤라또리-s8v]

댓글이 너무 좋아요,, 그 가수에 그 팬이라고 말씀 너무 잘하심... 제 마음을 대변해주신 것 같아요🥺

[@jiehoon05]

에에올 리뷰때도 그렇고 나나투어에서 물음표살인마 였던것도 그렇고 끝없이 탐구하는 사람 같음,, 상식적인것도 무언가 하나의 주제를 가지고 이유와 원리를 생각해내는게 정말 멋있네,,

[@cozy1114]

아 멋지다... 이 주제 정말 좋음

[@히카리_ya]

T인 버논이가 매우 빛난 순간이라고 생각합니다. 인팁인 저는 저런 얘기 하는거 너무 재밌어요.

[@Gsudg-gu9cz]

Vernon’s way of thinking ever since he was young is so admirable. He really stands for the equality of everyone, seeing everyone as equal. Mingao and Woozi too, I definitely love to talk with them for hours talking about different topics of life. PLS I’M SO EXCITED TO WATCH THE NEXT EP, CAN’T IT BE WEDNESDAY ALREADY??😭😭😭

[@Vivi111mn]

Me too TT

[@YungQel]

I AGREE VERNON IS SO GOOD AT THIS

[@_ini_ipd_]

Kidney Function Is Not A Right It's A Privilege -A wise man

[@neri859]

There’s this one question on tiktok that asked who will I choose to invite in 17 if I have 1 extra ticket for a movie. I chose Vernon, cause I know he’s someone I could argue with or talked about the movie after watching (and he do love movies) I see him as someone whose way of thinking is so broad? I mean he loves to considerate things and view it in a different perspective. Don’t get me wrong about the other members they are all interesting to talk too (for real real) but I think when it comes to this kind of discussions (for me) especially Hanie, Coups, Wonu, Kwanie, Hao, Jun they will beat me dead for a single argument 😂 Hoshi, DK, and Dino will stress me out with their noisiness 😭😂 On the other hand I’ll add Josh, Woozi and Migyu on Vernons line. With serious matters it’s hard to choose, I love to talk with any one of them, I would def learn many things especially from Hao he will be my reality checker. Hahahaha (This came out long than I expected 😅)

[@gigima7]

24:46 "But if laws are unjust, they can always be changed" BRUUUUH that needed a mic drop

[@bbroccoli_soup]

24:15 여기서부터 버논이 말들이 너무 인상적임.. 본질적으로 나무인형이라 기물파손이다 라는 결론이 아니라 인격체를 가진다면 이를 보호하기 위해 법이 개정되어야한다는게.. 영화 감상평 남겨줄 때도 느꼈지만 버논이의 사고방식은 참 흥미로워서 이런 컨텐츠도 자주해주면 좋겠다

[@artemisaluv]

This episode made me the urge of sitting around Minghao, Vernon and Woozi with a drink to discuss about topics of life

[@sunspeels]

real 😭

[@yaa.todoro]

this episode made me the urge to never sit with wonwoo bc ik i'm gonna get MAD

[@nishthapradhan]

The fact that they are the INXJ line 🙌

[@Chacha__v]

Me too omg I agree the most with them

[@scribblesandscrawls]

Sameee

[@shi_-rv7kx]

Vernon's perspective is so attractive like yeah, I wanna sit in a table with you and just talk about everything

[@mariematala7714]

Saaaaaaaaameeee !!

[@opheliaforgetmenots]

HONESTLY

[@shysminetvis]

joshua used all his energy for Going Rangers 😂😂😂

[@라오슈-j7t]

Hahaha Yes 😂 he didnt talk much.

[@hellofuture688]

joshua just watching them debate peacefully in this episode. seems like he will start something crazy next week

[@btw_its_madhavi]

he did he came 2nd in liar liar damn

[@streamdynamite_5507]

The sociology student in me was SCREAMING 'OMG YES EXACTLY' whenever minghao and vernon talked 😭😭

[@alanislucille]

Lmao me too as soci student! I really liked Hao's response and Vernon's towards the end.

[@jays3202]

And here me as a total T and bio student i was literally shouting and debating when hao and Vernon was talking 😭... i mean if we humanifies pinocchio how does a doctor can oparare on a pinochhio😭

[@acupofwarmmilk]

@@jays3202 I agree with you 😭

[@aliceantunes3261]

OMG ME TOO! Me and my sociology student ass got so interested and involved in this that I scream in agreement with Vernon in the end that I even wake up my cat lol

[@KatieTatieTot1]

Omg, same!

[@a.moonxh]

The8’s reasoning skills are no joke. Instantly supported his opinion, speaking only facts

[@CynthiaFugen]

But jun is stating a fact too. 😂 They all have a point, to the point that you are watching so serious to them 😂

[@hafsahhaq8371]

@@CynthiaFugen yes however, the accident analogy is something a lot of philosophy debates have been using to argue at what point would you stop considering someone human? If they become all prosthetics at some point, at what point would you stop seeing them as human? So when he brought it up, I was impressed but I expect Hao to be into philosophy or think like that in a very logical and critical manner.

[@kkamiguri]

@@CynthiaFugen it’s a fact in the current real world but since pinocchio is essential a fictional character, the current laws would not have been sufficient in pinocchio’s case. that’s why minghao started the argument on how humans are defined and especially because humans were the ones to give the definition as well as create laws surrounding humans as the highest evolution of species. however, in the case of pinocchio’s existence, the definition of human would have to be looked into and thus questioning to what extent humans need to be like “humans” to be considered a human.

[@monotzukokuureshii]

@@hafsahhaq8371 if human became something like that they still human cuz they already were once human but pinocchio is different there is also no standard about they need to only consider it in pinocchio's story so they can apporach it in both the story and in realistic way pinocchio is a wooden doll with a abilities of human like but its still a doll and pet just like human with the abilities of robot like but they still are human also if pinocchio lie his nose became longer which means he can't lie we human lie and we can't tell if someone is lying or not unless its someone we truly know even in that case its hard for us human to indicate if someone is truly lying or not but with pinocchio whenever he lie we can tell he is lying by looking at his nose that strongly indicate pinocchio is a doll which is designed to tell lie and show he is lying by his nose became longer just like those dolls designed to speak when we press them. if we say every thing that have life force is a murder then why human killing animals and plants isnt considered murder? but again people protest and do all sort of thing for cats and dogs getting killed by human but they dont do that for ants, incets, fly, plants cuz we human only consider something or someone getting killed is bad and murder if it is smth we treasure. just like jun team said they feel upset and sad we feel sad and bad when we kill fly and ants but we don't considered it a murder if it were so we all human should be in jail. the law is only made by human and for human we don't put lions for killing its prey we don't put dolphin for raping its females.they all have life force but they live in their own society so we can't interrupt them .we would only made the law for them if they are living in the same society as us working and doing everything the same as us. we would made a law for pinocchio too if there are too many dolls like pinocchio appeared and live like as but since this debate have no standard they should be tie. if its have the standard to consider it in current reality way jun team would win if its in romantic way looking forward the future to make a new law for pinocchio minhao team win

[@margarete5920]

@@hafsahhaq8371 i can't believe we're having this type of content and topic after Going Rangers LMAO the contrast 😂

[@viatrzhao]

26:00 Jun is a real debater. When he chooses a side, he defends it well. I love how he never gives up and always sticks to what he believes.

[@ash-ht6qt]

YA THIS IS WHT IM THINKING ABOUT

[@Misunagi]

He just like me fr

[@--hydra]

honestly, vernon's way of thinking is admirable. his perspective is just wow

[@slewzy]

I like how the quiter members like woozi,vernon, the8 and jun really shine during this content

[@joshudinohui]

“ if you kill SEVENTEEN, it's murder ” 😭

[@amidamaru3118]

Jeonghan just let out his inner thought when no one was listening to him 🤣 & 26:55 DK exposed him 😂

[@moriartylordofcrime]

„Oh I really? I thought it was a crime“ What my sarcastic-ass would have responded💀

[@ahlanwasahlan4801]

It definitely is 🥲

[@deekshaswaminathan]

​@@moriartylordofcrimelmao

[@kimberlyroselubay218]

Man that was dope

[@minniieechan]

20:56 not DK blaming the PD for making them discuss this question and the caption be like "This is fun" they are such a mood 😭🤚

[@lgtwvorm]

SVT x Staff is the best thing to happen to us

[@supermodelwannabe]

Its actually so impressive that Jun and Minghao expressed their thoughts well in korean cause not everyone is as eloquent in their second language

[@carating]

Vernon is so smart, he listens to them all and just throws in one punch line and changes the game

[@Tqn1shaaa.x]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Jun , The8 & Vernon speak this much 😭 You know this was serious is The8 is talking that much 😂 Jun not agreeing on the final vote & having to be forced to agree is too funny.

[@shit_this.is.red.too...]

"we hear the minority too. But we just hear them"😂🤣

[@OdenDorathy]

I laughed so loud I could feel his conviction bro was really feeling this debate🤣❤

[@seejaaaay]

the way Jun does his debates is truly amazing!! i swear he always stand out in this type of concept because he just straight up spitting facts!

[@user-hd9tg1yl7z]

엄연한 인격체를 지닌 피노키오를 자신과 같은 동등한 존재로 보고 그 존재를 지킬 수 있는 법이 부당하다면 개정될 수 있다고 천천히 깊게 생각해본 뒤에 차분하게 자신의 생각을 말하는 버논… 데뷔 초 때부터 변하지 않는 가치관을 가진 것 같음 정말 건강하고 단단한 사람..

[@FANGRUNlN]

Minghao really stood out to me in this episode. He has an intelligent way of thinking. He presented his statements and ideas properly with poise and logic in accordance to the main argument. And when calling out illogical ones he rebutted them with a statement that further proved his point.

[@anniey.5209]

Same for me, that THE8 stood out. I also liked it when he simply states that the scenarios created by the other side stray away from the subject in question (Pinocchio). The other team can make comparisons of Pinocchio to machines or a rock, but the topic in question is Pinocchio, its’ own case.

[@kkamiguri]

same for me! i really relate to and understand minghao’s points which really pulled me to the murder team! i love the point about pinocchio’s life force, the lying point and the fact that laws are imperfect and would be updated as needed if pinocchio exists in the real world - he reminds me of my philosophy class 😂

[@dami_stay97]

I was thinking the exact same thing, Hao has some really articluate thoughts

[@atomicwings1102]

Minghao is one of the strongest players in all the debate episodes along with Jun

[@silviacatalina2146]

Minghao and Vernon really stood out for me in this episode. And Vernon was the one who made the final argument which closed the case, a really strong argument. Felt like a court case with real lawyers :) Kudos to Gose team, can`t wait for next week`s topic :)

[@ginadoyle406]

I know Vernon is always reminding us that he dropped out of school but I hope he knows how smart, logical and well thought out his arguments always are. Vernon for President!!! ❤

[@maryammasood2571]

Yeah that's true

[@taniya6400]

Jun still not agreeing to the final decision is the most Jun thing ever 😂❤ "ARE YOU A T?"

[@Seungcheol13]

They literally have to force him to lift his hand 😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️

[@anjalik275]

QT

[@shaynesationonYT]

F 0% hahahahaha

[@lucrissa2398]

He won't back down, he's very stubborn as they said before 😂

[@cin-ly7pk]

I laughed at 0%F 😂

[@elleeeissayinghi5237]

Vernon and Minghao impressed me here the most. The way Vernon's able to get his point across using a realistic approach. Yes, I also do believe laws were made by people for the people, and we should not limit ourselves to laws, because they always change! People themselves are responsible with laws, so making ourselves limited with it is nonsensical. That's why people still study to become lawyers--that's the point. As to Minghao, the way he sees Pinocchio as a human, thus deserving to be treated as one-it's iconic. This is how you defend your stance, everyone. He stayed logical with his arguments, and convinced me with those. Bravo to Dino, though, who uses actual facts to define Pinocchio. We love a resourceful king!

[@w_-dy3eu]

13:42 지훈이가 낭만으로 말하고자 하는 메시지가 인간으로서의 ‘윤리’라고 생각하면 이해가 됨... 낭만적으로 살자는 건 이상적인 사회를 만들어가자는 말이잖아요 인간으로 살아가자.. 무엇보다 낭만적인 말임 로맨틴 가보자 24:18 그리고 누구보다 MVP는 버논의 마지막 멘트임 피노키오라는 인격체의 손상을 기물파손으로 남길 시에 사회에 이로울 것인가? 거시적으로 인간사회 공동체의 의의에 대해 관통한 말이라고 생각함 기물파손 쪽 의견을 강경하게 가지고 있던 나도 설득됨

[@sj_.]

크으 이 댓 좋다

[@asdfghjkl97531]

윤리 < 이거 진짜 맞는 것 같아요

[@동글-x2o]

제가 고딩시절에 대형마트 주말 의무 휴일 지정에대해 찬반 토론을 했었었는데요. 한명도 빠짐없이 대형마트 의무휴일 반대의견으로써 열심히 숫자 놀음을 하고 있을때, 선생님께서 윤리적인 문제를 꺼내 드시더라고요. "그러면 시장상인은 이익이 안되기 때문에 그대로 도태되어야 하는가? 그게 정부가 사회적 약자들에게 취해야하는 태도인가? 본인이 그 시장상인이라면 가만히 고개를 끄덕이고만 있을 것인가? 정부는 절대 시장에 개입해서는 안되는가? " 라는 윤리적이고 공동체주의 라고 볼 수 있는 물음을 주셨었는데요. 그때 저 포함 모든 학생들이 입을 다물었고, 그때 선생님께서는 토론에서 이성적 판단만 중요하다고 착오를 일으킬 수 있다. "인간은 살아가며 감정과 윤리가 꼭 필요한 사항이다." 라고 말씀하신게 이 토론을 통해서 생각났네요.

[@user-dein871]

이 댓글도 진짜 잘 집어주신 것 같아요 낭만이라는 어휘때문에 감성적으로 보여서 상대편도 ‘낭만으로 다가간다고..?‘라고 하는데 사실상 윤리죠... 이건 인간으로서 꼭 필요한거고 윤리 도덕 도의적인 것 그리고 어쩌면 정말 낭만까지도요....

[@ritikashah6290]

vernon and minghao's arguements were so intelligent and compassionate. loved this episode. it feels like i got to know them a lil better.

[@vienzc]

frfr literally swayed me so fast

[@mimimimi6143]

11:19 "our doljjong" they really do treat it like a pet 😭

[@Diwixbwjwiw]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@Lynslynss]

it's cute to think that when the first time jeonghan posted about doljjong, the members are being "????" in the comment but still play along with it. After that its just grew naturally on them like a friend's usual endearing pet 😂😭

[@CaratSpace]

Everyone was so serious in the debate but there is hong joshua just enjoying the show with chocolate and drinks amidst chaos😂

[@svetjemali]

the 8 ate this debate up. I love the way he expressed his thoughts and feeling and articulated them into words, he got so immersed. Vernon too. I also love the way Woozi brought romantic aspect into this.

[@silviacatalina2146]

Dino was very good too along with them

[@dirtywhiteteeclubmember]

Ya that law aren't already existed in the first place but made nd updated with human experiences nd precedents It was a very good point🤌

[@yy-ns9bx]

원래 댓글 잘 안 쓰는데 아이돌 컨텐츠에서 감명 받은 건 처음이라 신선한 충격이네.. 버논 같은 사람들이 있었기에 사회가 꾸준히 발전할 수 있었던 것임. '속상하고 안타깝지만 뭐 어떡해? 현행법으로는 안되는데.' 이런 마인드로는 단 한 발짝도 나아갈 수 없음. 암튼 버논 입덕 영상이다. 별 거 아니지만 손들고 발언권 얻는 것도 호감이었음. 토론의 기본자세..마음이 편-안. 논리적이고 합리적인 사람이 사익이 아닌 공익을 추구할 때의 궁극적인 모습이어서 뭉클하기까지 함. 공동체를 살아가면서 볼 수 있는 가장 이상적인 타입의 사람이 아닐까 싶다. 무엇보다 자신의 입장이 낭만적이어서 그런 게 아니라고 못박고 시작한 부분에서..얘는 진짜다 싶었음...! 인류사회가 지향해야하는 평화를 위한 선의 힘을 믿는 거잖아.. +논외로..내가 보는 내내 왜 이렇게 답답한가에 대한 해답을 찾음..일단 애초에 주제 자체가 토론의 주제로는 적합하지 않아서 답답하게 흘러가는 듯. 버논이 명쾌하게 지적한 것처럼 죽인다는 표현에서부터 이미 적어도 생명체임은 전제하고 있는 것이기 때문에 중립성이 없고 찬성반대로 나뉘는 주제가 아님. 피노키오를 인간으로 보아야한다. 찬성?반대? 이렇게 가야함. 살인인가 기물파손인가 묻는 건 어떠한 범죄가 성립하는가를 묻는 것이기에 이 질문에 대해서는 현행법에 의거해서 이야기할 수밖에 없는 건데, 그러면 이건 그냥 물을 것도 없이 기물파손이 되는 거임. 애초에 토론할 건덕지 자체가 없는 것. 우리가 아무리 살인죄로 고소고발해도 현재로서는 검사가 죄가없음으로 불기소처분할 사안이란 말임..그렇다면 현행법을 단순히 적용하는 것에 그치는 것이 토론의 의의일까? 아니라고 봄. 그래서 기물파손 측에서 이렇게 계속 현행법을 언급할 때 버논이 법 개정을 언급한 부분이 놀라웠음. 다른 멤버들은 법을 굉장히 절대적인 거라고 생각하고 있는 것 같은데 사실 법이라는 건 수정될 가능성, 해석가능성이 항상 무궁무진하게 열려있는 상태니까.

[@jiehoon05]

댓글 다 받는게 원우 정한이랑 우지 버논 에잇 민규가 극명하게 갈리는건 진짜 철저하게 법적으로 본 멤버들 (이해는 하나 현행법 상 이유)이랑 피노키오라는 존재가 있을 수 있는 세상에서 바라본 멤버들이랑은 애초에 받아 들여지는게 달라질 수 밖에 없게 명제를 깔아놔서 ㅠ 그래도 낭만으로 가느냐 현실적으로 가느냐 극명하게 갈린거 같아요 ㅠ

[@nyangarch]

최버논 입덕 영상 인정… 아이돌 자컨보고 반성까지 하게 됐음

[@cozy1114]

이 댓글이 엄청 올라갔으면 좋겠다..

[@얼모얼오]

저도 보면서 너무 이성적, 감성적으로 나누어서 가니까 좀 답답했는데 버논이 딱 자신은 낭만적이서 살인쪽인게 아니다라고 딱 말해줘서 속이 편안…^^ 솔직히 말하면 이 영상으로 최애 버논이로 바뀔 수도 있을 것 같아요ㅋㅋ 솔직히 아이돌들의 이런 깊은 생각, 사상을 볼 수 있는 기회가 많이 없는데 세븐틴은 이런 콘텐츠가 있어서 더 좋은 것 같아요:)

[@machimnae_pionan_bom]

맞아요 논제 자체의 오류가 커서 토론 자체의 성립이 불가하죠 어떤 질문을 하고자 한 것인지는 전달이 되었지만 논제의 오류에 의해 감성과 이성의 대립으로밖에 의견이 갈릴 수 없는 상황으로 보여요 또 버논의 입장은 정말 인상적이었습니다 이성적인 것을 냉철함, 냉정함과 비슷하게 여기는 사람들이 많지만, 이성적인 사람 중에서는 사회의 어떤 존재도 부당함을 겪어서는 안 된다는 공정한 의식을 가진 사람들이 있죠 이런 사람들은 냉정하게 본인만 생각하는 것이 아니라 감정에 휘둘리지 않으면서도 모두가 이익을 얻을 수 있고 누구도 소외되지 않는 세상을 만들기 위해 노력합니다 단순한 슬픔, 동정 때문이 아니라 그것이 진정으로 옳은 길이기 때문에요 저 역시 토론을 보면서 버논과 같은 입장을 가지고 있었지만 이것을 표현할 정확하고 분명한 말이 생각나지 않았는데, 막힘없이 본인의 의견을 분명하고 치우치지 않은 말로 확실하게 피력하는 능력도 정말 멋있게 느껴졌습니다

[@joomelette]

버논이 이야기 진짜 깊게 새겨야할 발언이라고 생각함 이런 생각을 가진 사람이 있기에 좀 더 나은 환경의 사회가 주어진다고 봅니다 다름에 대한 배려와 존중 및 공감의 가치가 높이 평가될 때 행복한 사회가 올 수 있겠ㅈㅕ!!! 좋은 이야기 공유해줘서 너무 좋습니다 흑흑 최버논 생각까지 멋질래?…

[@bree8574]

the way they spent 30 mins arguing debating this is crazy

[@artemisaluv]

I love how talkative Minghao, Woozi, Vernon and Jun are in this episode, they seem to enjoy this kind of discussions with serious arguments unlike Debate Night when the focus was saying absurd things.

[@deviepi3813]

Yupp i love this, they can discuss with a logic reason and clear stuctural pattern. They talk with fact and not bring emotion

[@heavycy]

love how it started as dualism between emotion and rationality so they kept bringing up the law to strengthen the rational part only for vernon to counter-argue that it is humanism (in their terms romanticism) that innovates law throughout history, the phrase "it shouldn't stop at feeling regrettable" is so powerful, because it incites movement and change. It's foolish to think emotions are not involved when it comes to law, it is through emotions that we make laws, when women were allowed to vote it is the recognition of their humanity, it is through empathy for others that we strive for progress and reformations, and in this debate they all agree, that they share empathy towards Pinocchio

[@syahmnrain8283]

Your thoughts are very well written, I liked that you pointed out we omit emotions when making law and the examples you've given. it sincerely gave me a new perspective to be pondering about.

[@heavycy]

@@syahmnrain8283 oh that's so sweet of you! thank you so much! this is a good dialogue between fans and im glad they did this!

[@rffs07]

I love version sm I need to kiss his brain fr! "It shouldn't stop at just feeling regrettable" is so important, such a simple statement but could change worlds! Also yes, how could they forget that the main prerogative for changing laws has been driven by emotions!

[@shreyy.07]

jeonghan: "if you kill pinocchio, it's murder" with the biggest smile ever 25:51

[@samara7381]

I really admire Jun’s argument on this matter and I understand his point because if we set aside the magical context and view Pinocchio purely as an inanimate object made of wood, breaking him would be classified as vandalism, similar to damaging any other piece of property. However, if we take into account the fairy tale logic where Pinocchio is a puppet with consciousness and the ability to feel emotions, breaking him would lean more towards being considered murder. It hinges on the nature of Pinocchio's existence in the specific narrative. If he's perceived as alive, it's more akin to murder; if he's seen as just a puppet, it's vandalism. All of their argument is on point and it's incredible. 🙌🏻

[@mihretyonatan7089]

Jun sulking part is everything.

[@nirmic1149]

It really was the best!! Plus, we got some insight on their football game ❤😂

[@lora9088]

it's funny how seungkwan was more upset over jun sulking than jun himself lol

[@I-DLEneververSVTcaratULTkpoppy]

IKRR! I replayed that part MANY times. Boo was sooo cutee 🥹💜

[@user8nbanhkd]

It's funnier that who made Jun sulky is Mingyu more than Seungkwan.

[@gyutti0526]

얘네는 진짜 팀이 오래가는 이유가 있음... 이렇게 점점 감정이 격해지면서도 다시 누가 진정하라면 다시 진정하고 웃으면서 다시 시작함... 그리고 서로의 의견을 절대로 무시를 안하고 계속해서 듣다가 개그로도 살짝 넣어줌... ㅋㅋㅋ 그리고 이번에 제일 놀란 건 버논이의 생각과 명호와 준이의 말이었음... 버논이는 진짜 사람이 바르다는 것을 이전에도 알았지만 또다시 느꼈고 명화와 준이는 언어의 장벽이 이제는 점점 사라지고 타당하게 같이 얘네하고 얘기할 수 있다는 것에 놀람... 물론 한국에서 10년 이상을 지내면 당연하지만 그냥 놀람... 사실 난 논리나잇처럼 개판이 될 것 같아서 웃길 것 같았는데 생각보다 더 진중해서 몰입감이 더 있는듯. 물론 개그를 못 참는 맴버 덕분에 (도겸이라던가... 아니면 도겸이라던가..) 덕분에 웃었지만... ㅋㅋㅋ

[@Lilylily-y5t]

그치 얼마나 다정한 사람들인지 신기해

[@걍_찬]

ㄹㅇ 13명에 데뷔 9년째인데 탈퇴한 멤버 1명도 없음

[@enfpo0o885]

@@걍_찬 멋지다 진짜.... 불화설도 안났던것 같은데

[@젤라또리-s8v]

24:08 버논이의 사고방식이 너무 좋다!!! 평소에 많은 책 영화 등을 보면서 거시적인 생각을 많이 한다는 게 티가 나,, 그리고 버논이는 어릴때부터 그랬지만 참 따뜻한 시선으로 세상을 바라본다는 걸 다시금 느꼈달까 그냥 무턱대고 세상을 아름답게 바라본다는 게 아니라 잘못된 건 바꿔가면서 모두에게 더 나은 미래를 만들고자 하는 버논이만의 마인드셋이 너무 잘 보여서... 이런 아이돌을 좋아해서 참 행운이다 싶은 마음이 드네,,🥰

[@퐁실-v4y]

버논이 진짜.. 본질을 보고 논리적으로 접근하는 게 엄청나다.

[@dayeriisebong]

THE8 and JUN’s defense bro it blows my mind they’re genius

[@Albusfeltbook]

Vernon is so good at giving a facts! Especially in the end when he said about "unjust laws have continuously been changed" he really thinks about how we can always changed the law if we feel unjust or when the perpetrators of crimes are not properly prosecuted❤

[@Vaishnavi-sy6tb]

The8 and dk saying they’d rather freeze to death. I STAN THE STANDARDS!!

[@roline.c]

I was so relieved

[@I-DLEneververSVTcaratULTkpoppy]

It's okay...I will burn for Seungkwan 😂.

[@newnewoo_garden]

그냥 정말 재밌게 아무 생각없이 봤다가 댓글보고 버논이의 매력에 빠지고 가네요. 이 토론주제가 이미 죽인다라는 표현은 생명체라는 점을 전제 하에 하는 말아닌가하고 말하는 곳에서 놀라고 갑니다. 재미도 있지만, 굉장히 유익했어요

[@haniwon_0]

윤정한 전원우 문준휘 부승관 아무도 설득 안됐는데 그냥 넘어가려고 손 든 거 같은데요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@잉앵웅-z7v]

사실 보면서 저도 설득 당하지 않았는데 그냥 살인으로 치자 !! 집에 좀 가자 !!! 외쳤어욬ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 오늘도 낭만세븐틴ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@pretty_izna]

님 좋아요수 실시간으로 올라가요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@beansfavorite1408]

심지어 문준휘 손 안 들려다가 다들 드니까 막판에 그냥 든 것 같던데욬ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@enfpo0o885]

저는 굳건하다가 막판에 버논이 말에 넘어갔어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@asdfghjkl97531]

@@다히-i6o 영상을 어떻게 보신건지는 모르겠지만 단순히 감성적인 사람은 논리로 설득이 안 된다 라고 치부할 건 아닌 것 같네요..ㅎㅎ 살인이다라고 주장한 멤버들 의견이 비논리적이고 감성에만 치중하여 말한 것 같지도 않고요!!

[@lavluffy]

"The fact that only law we can apply to Pinocchio is vandalism feels unjust. But if the law are unjust, they can always be changed" VOTE VERNON TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT

[@dirtywhiteteeclubmember]

Seriously I was so amazed nd impressed by Vernon in this ep although he is a very thoughtful person like for every hypothetical situation mentioned by opposite party I was waiting for his nd also minghao's pov

[@katherynnephrite5115]

Of what country? 😆

[@juliettechanlon4610]

@@katherynnephrite5115the world !!!

[@FlorenciaFernandez-xp3cg]

LET HIM COOK!!!

[@anapella]

As a Law student, I CHEERED!

[@Junhuihuihui]

Jun's logical thinking is just everything. He just nails debates everytime

[@noname3153]

Vernon saying “Burning Pinocchio to warm yourself so you won’t die is literally doing an act of cannibalism in order to not starve” is really logical. My boi is really smart.

[@forhanihani]

Jeonghan being the kindergarten teacher throughout the whole episode. Hahaha I need that same level of patience

[@Kanakssharma]

No one can deny that Gose is the best variety show ever

[@torymomo]

갠적으로 버논 의견에 너무 공감... 누군가에게는 본인을 지킬 만 한 법이 부재하거나 법이 차별적으로 적용된다면 우리는 안타까움에서 그치지 않고 법을 바꿔 나가는 방향을 생각해야 한다는 ... 이런 진지한 토론 영상도 넘 잼써요 고셉 최고 🥹

[@abowlofsoupfeltinlovewithshua]

just love how minghao and vernon being very sharp in this episode, especially when vernon talked about the law, he made me realized why i'm more at the side of "killing pinocchio is murder" unintentionally. and then shua was there with his beautiful silence, love him so much :>

[@thvstd]

Jun and jeonghan definitely didn't agree with them but they just raised their hands 🤣

[@la4229]

that's what i was thinking then Jun just followed by raising his hand in the end hahahaha

[@thvstd]

@@la4229 😭yeah ofc it's hard to make all the members agree..

[@lgtwvorm]

I love how this is just debate night but the arguments actually make you change sides

[@user-seventeenloveu]

아니 서명호 중국인 맞는지 의심이 됨ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 그 옆에 있는 한국인들보다 더 잘 말하는게 너무 웃김 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@xu_lavie8]

see how hao, bonon & jun talk so much when it's a serious and quiet discussion ✨

[@annanapel5972]

I love Vernon's mind so much. He's always logical and doesn't let his personal feelings affect his way of thinking but at the same time you can also see his empathy through his argument. Not to be too political here but from what he said especially towards the end, you can really get an idea about his personal views regarding real social issues today.

[@imblue5610]

He always has that great balance between his empathy and his logic. Both walking straight together harmoniously and make him really feel so human i think..

[@Carla-qc7bl]

his mbti is istp so it makes sense lol

[@clns45]

do you mind making a timestamp of it? so that i can go back and watch him make his point (and pay closer attention to it) cus yk in an ep where everyone is just talking, it wont be easy to find it for me

[@paperplane98]

​@@clns45 around 24:00 when he interrupts hoshi and starts explaining more into the depth abt human laws that the logical team put forward

[@annanapel5972]

@@clns45 he also talks and begins his argument earlier in the episode but the best part I believe was towards the end at 24:05 onwards and 25:09 onwards

[@KH-ik3jg]

Veron thinks like a high court judge- using previous laws, precedents and acknowledging new ruling to address what the current law is lacking WOW 👨‍⚖️

[@dizzaderain6100]

I think if vernon is not an idol,maybe he will be a judge

[@userksy.c]

he's such a well thought man with great mind and heart. I admire him!

[@jkamillacarat]

25:35 Jeonghan working hard 😂 JH: Okay, everyone… SVT: *continues talking* JH: Everyone… SVT: *still talking* JH: EVERYONE? SVT: YES 🤐

[@sohini26]

The Vice leader is struggling 😅

[@nabamsara1522]

😂😂poor vice leader

[@shritikishnan9979]

Meanwhile the vice vice leader being there just for attendance😅

[@_im_]

Dino finding the definitions STARTED the whole argument, I'm his mom

[@roxynism]

Minghao saying "that was so illogical" and immediately sipping on his drink is pure comedy.

[@Beluga-Josudi]

버논 진짜 바르고 생각깊다 동등한 인격체로 보는 존재에 대한 부당함을 안타까움에서 끝내면 안된다 우리는 항상 그렇게 법을 개정하고 성장해왔다…완전히 인류사를 한번에 관통하는 문장이잖음 +버논 얘기 듣고 생각이 많아져서 추가적으로 의견 적어보자면 단어 그대로만 놓고 봤을때 이라고 보기는 어려움 아무리 여러가지 사정이 있다고 해도 "결국" 인간은 아니니까 하지만 이걸 단순히 기물파손으로 보느냐 그건 또 다른 문제임 버논도 살인이라는데 동의하기보단 기물파손이라고 보기 어렵다고 생각해서 살인이 맞다 쪽에 의견 피력했다고 생각함 굳이 따지자면 제3의 의견인거지 말할 줄 알고 생각할 줄 알고 인간과 흡사한 수준의 사상을 갖춘 존재가 있다 그리고 이를 죽였을때, 이하 복구 불가한 수준으로 손상시켰을때 "소유한 물건을 파손하는것" 정도로 정의하는것은 동등한 인격체로 여기고 있는 존재에 대한 부당함이 될 수 있다, 그리고 역사는 항상 부당한 법을 개정시켜왔다.. T랑 F를 넘어서 굉장히 현실적이고 현명한 발언임 똑똑한 청년인듯....

[@서희히김]

역시 에에올. 보이... 품행보이.. 멋져.

[@user-py3cj5zd9n]

그니까요

[@Bomspring0514]

최버논.... 진짜 논리나잇 같은 토론 할때마다 느끼는건데 진짜 똑똑함... 가치관도 너무 바르고.. 멋있음

[@mannarachelg]

@@Bomspring0514precisely

[@Taurine1838]

뭔가 깊이 생각하는 사람 같아서 좋음

[@宰鉉]

정한이 그냥 빨리 끝내고 싶어서 살인이다에 손 든 거 같다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 기빨렸쫑

[@una_xj9797]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 마지막 지쳐서 퇴근하고싶은듯

[@teancheese5704]

Agreed

[@j_soulie]

Джун тоже

[@Misunagi]

Yeahh same like junhui🤣🤣

[@Haven_17]

26:16 Joshua came to the debate to eat snacks, I can't blame him though 😂❤

[@Userlinoring]

6:27 " the word murder it self contains the word human you have to kill a human for it to be murder" Jun is logic he is good at debating

[@agbonjimitolulope9366]

But the question itself is also talking about human..."if you kill".....since the question is set inside the movie....for anyone to kill pinnochio in the movie would be called murderer...so it is murder.

[@roline.c]

But this is questionable. If someone kills a dog, you don't call it vandalism 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Carla-qc7bl]

so killing an animal is not murder?

[@柒-f9e]

​@@Carla-qc7blYes, but animals are not made of wood by humans

[@deborajagielska0097]

Yeah that was a smart argument to say in Korean, doesn’t really make a good argument in English for example or my native language polish and probably many other To me it basically it comes down to what does “human” mean - is it the body or the mind that matters more?

[@NA-ST]

철학적인 토론 너무좋다..이거보고 나서 버논이랑 디에잇이 진짜 생각이 깊다고 느꼈음...

[@kimmy_yang01]

We can see how seungkwan cherish jun so much, he can't get over the fact the jun was sulking because of him and needed to make up immidiately❤ he really is the biggest fan of jun

[@민준연-w2w]

캬 버논이 말하는거보고 놀랐다. 진짜 말잘하네. 설득력이 완전 ㄹㅈㄷ.

[@tyra8246]

This shows how talented seventeen is. I am impressed by how genius and well spoken they are when talking about the topic in serious manner. This group can go from unserious to serious in a second

[@miriamtong]

I like that Going is showing a different style of Seventeen. Normally, you expect to see silly, nonsensical Seventeen to be funny on Going Seventeen, but this is a real calm and serious debate that actually has philosophy and depth (it's still funny at times).

[@littlesnackfairy]

agree❤❤❤

[@alexmendez7851]

and then there's hoshi and dk getting angry b'cuz why Pd give them that question hahahaha

[@Akshiiii1331]

When it's debate you can trust on JUN! Man stood with his choice until the end!!!!

[@kitsidney5906]

not really. i thought the same too, but at the last voting, he switched to the other side. you can see him raising his hand belatedly. probably thought if he couldn't beat them, might as well just join them. 😂

[@hoshjosh6921]

​@@kitsidney5906everyone need to be agree on one side for them to continue to the next topic. I think he kinda doesn't have a choice being the only one on the opposite side.

[@Akshiiii1331]

Yeah! Lyk at the end he didn't had a choice if not he wouldn't have changed I think soo..

[@Mylife-clueless]

​@@kitsidney5906 he probably just raised his hand bc he was the only one that didn't and just wanted it to end peacefully😂😭

[@clns45]

@@kitsidney5906the fact that he raised his hand late is what makes op's point tho lolol

[@adoresessy101]

I'm just gonna say this, we, as a society, would have never advanced if we just look at current laws and say, "nothing can be done about this, it's sad and unjust, but it's the law." If the law is unjust, change it or make new ones, that's how you take steps forward. I think Vernon really has the right mindset, laws are made by flawed people all the time, they can be changed.

[@jasminebitongga4244]

hoshi : i might if it was Seungkwan HAHAHAHAHHAHHA just hoshi being kwannie's #1 enemy

[@day8796]

그냥 재미로 봤다가 버논 말에 설득당함... 이게 단순히 낭만이냐 법이냐로 나누어지는 문제가 아니라 피노키오라는 한 인격체를 위한 마땅한 법이 없어도 동등한 존재로서 존중받아야 한다는 말이 진짜 오늘날 사회를 위한 말인 것 같기도 하네요. 구체적인 해결 방안보다는 안타깝지만 어쩔수없다며 흐지부지 넘어간 사례들이 많아서 더 공감이 되는 주장인 것 같음

[@paperplane98]

Laws were made for humans and they can be adapted/modified to help humanity reach greater heights over different space and time...yes facts! such thoughtful insights by Vernon he's truly amazing !!

[@웅키-v5v]

그니까요 생명은 있지만 거기에 적용되는 법이 기물파손죄 밖에 없기에 기물파손이다 라고 이야기 하는 주장에 ‘어어 그렇지’하고 넘어갔다가 버논이가 피노키오가 죽었을 때 자신을 보호할 수 있는 법이 기물파손죄 밖에 없는 상황이 안타깝다 라고 이야기 하는 순간 머리 한 대 맞는 기분이엇어오..

[@jjjiii-d9l]

애초에 버논의 말은 낭만이라는 조건이 있으니깐 설득이 되는거임 낭만이라는 조건이 있는 게 기물파손쪽이 너무 불리함 소설 속 존재이기 때문에 가능한 얘기고 승관이 말한 얼음동굴에서 라이터 피노키오는 진짜 죽을 상황에서도 내 앞에 있는 피오키오가 낭만이라는 조건 하나로 과연 사람으로 보일지 고작 장작으로 보일지 모른다는 거임

[@솜-j1y]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@jjjiii-d9l낭만이라 표기해서 그렇지 윤리로 본다면 괜찮을 거 같아요 윤리는 조건이 아니잖아요? 그리고 전 승관이가 한 말 때문에 더 살인 의견으로 치우쳤어요 피노키오가 너무 상상 속 캐릭터라 체감이 안갔는데 그냥 애완동물로 바꿔서 생각해도 죽일 순 없을 거 같아서요 물론 이것도 사람마다 다르긴 하겠지만

[@pancake-u5l]

여기 댓글도 되게 다 자기 생각 적어 놓고 가는거 좋다~보면서 나도 뭔가 심도있게 생각해보고 생각을 조리있게 정리하는 컨텐츠

[@user-mu5jw9wn6d]

맞아요 댓글로 다른 의견 보는 것도 너무 재밌어요! 2편도 어떤 주제일지 기대되네여

[@あかさた-i2n]

맞아요 ㅋㅋ 다 같이 토론하는 느낌 ㅠㅠ

[@farry6779]

At 8:00 i am so amazed at minghao for giving his debate stance so clearly :0 they didnt lie when they said the chinese members are fluent in korean during arguments

[@우유-z6n]

이렇게 멤버들이 인문학적 소견이 있는 대화들을하고 이걸 예능주제로 삼다니 너무 멋있고 최근 고잉 중에서 제일 좋았던 것 같아요

[@moonddal]

Is it just me or everyone else also couldn’t decide until the end because they’re all too convincing? 😮😵‍💫😵 Jeonghan got annoyed in the end was cute 😂

[@uuu_17]

버논이의 생각의 깊이에 다시 한번 놀라고 감.. 버논이의 생각에 대해 더 들어볼 기회가 있으면 좋겠네

[@heyitssha]

The fact we love GOSE coz not only the do we seee their funny variety sense ,we get to see the most quietest member brain like woozi,Hannie ,Jun,wonwoo ,minghao,Vernon especially literally working in depth esp in similar debate,lecture kind of topics & yet we still be amaze. Hopefully they do nonsense topic based on Svt name or even bring back the court hse