Going to the Source | Welsh Indians?

[@frankforce9241]

Enjoyed it very much! Cool glasses! Thanks for posting! Best wishes Frank

[@JYFMuseums]

Thanks, you too!

[@noeldoyle4501]

Thanks, that was enjoyable, you have a great way of telling stories.

[@JYFMuseums]

You're welcome, and thank you kindly!

[@bethpike3833]

I like the spectacles. But I Really like this young man's delivery! It's so easy to listen to and enjoy, as well as to learn from. Thank you, sir!

[@JYFMuseums]

Thank you & you're welcome, we appreciate that!

[@azamatt3018]

Britain's hidden history Wilson and blacketts work explains true history of Prince madocs voyage.

[@lindakay9552]

OH MY GOD!!!! Sir John Egerton in my 10th great grand uncle. My 9th great grandfather was Richard Egerton. Son of Sir Richard Egerton of Ridley, Cheshire England. My 9th great grandfather was half brother of Sir Thomas Egerton 1st Viscount of Brackley.

[@JYFMuseums]

Very cool!

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Was expecting to hear something about St Brendan the Navigator in this video.

[@robertalford2257]

'The Holy Kingdom' by Adrian Gilbert is a book that gives so much evidence on this topic. His work with Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett should be taught in schools, not the tripe we are force fed. And we send students to 'university' to ignore these subjects?

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Were you thinking very the lead singer of XTC?

[@GenericYoutubeGuy]

Native legend has it an advanced white tribe settled along the Ohio river and then the natives fought and killed most of them. Some castle-stone ruins have been discovered along the Ohio river as well, and also helmets, etc.

[@alansmith795]

Hi I'm a yorkylivingin Portugal the name of the farm is bruzios and is apparently a Welsh family name

[@okancanarslan3730]

the glasses (googles ?) of 1600's were weird and must have been uncomfortable

[@JYFMuseums]

We put your question to Samuel and he said, “The glasses are a replica pair of 16th-century wooden frames. There are dates as early as the 11th century in Europe for eyewear, which functioned similarly to modern day reading glasses. I wear my actual prescription in this frame, but from what research I have done it may be historically accurate for prescription lenses (as the earliest dates for them in Europe are around the 14th century), it just wouldn't have been as exact a prescription as what we can wear today. Now, as to just how common day-to-day wearing of corrective glasses were, they weren't. The method I wear them, with cord loops tied behind my ears, is a fairly new method by this time. But once the temple piece was developed (the part of modern glasses that goes along the temple) in the 18th century, that is when day-to-day wear of eyewear became a common practice. These reproduction frames are hinged at the temple. As to the comfort, just as comfortable as my modern day frames. They only rest on the bridge of my nose and the loops are loose enough that I can pull them away from my face about an inch. These were made for me by a craftsman in Europe who was able to put in my modern prescription.”

[@danmorgan3685]

@@JYFMuseums Thanks for the reply. I too wear glasses so this sort of thing is of direct interest to me.

[@lynnodonnell4764]

Did you mean *gogGles?*

[@pelonconstante6271]

Love your regalia bro

[@JYFMuseums]

Thanks!

[@lindacosma2064]

Domed homes? Like Ancient Irish

[@danmorgan3685]

Also damned near everywhere else. If you have a two sticks and some cordage you can create the basic layout of a round house.

[@billsummy2412]

Another very interesting store !🤠👍👍

[@JYFMuseums]

Thanks 👍 glad you enjoyed it!

[@gunnerwestjessewest3486]

I have to say . My family stories is both right were your sitting .

[@jamesivie5717]

There are legends of a Welsh Prince sailing away with a group from Europe into the Atlantic. The best estimate is that they wound up in America. This would account for the unusual language encountered by Smith. There are also reports by of some explorers finding a group of Indians with an old Welsh Bible.

[@hondaxl250k0]

They found that group with the princes bones on a island in the Ohio river.. the Indians killed them. It’s well known in Indian oral history.

[@JonDoeNeace]

I don't think so.

[@JonDoeNeace]

I don't think so.

[@JYFMuseums]

Just to be clear, the Monacan are not Welsh and Smith did not encounter an unusual language, rather a new language. The Monacan spoke Tutelo or Tutelo-Saponi, a regional dialect of Siouan, one of the common language groups in the Eastern Woodlands. We find humor in the belief that the English in 1608 thought that the language spoken by the Monacan sounded Welsh.

[@loquat44-40]

@@JYFMuseums This is based more on a legend from wales and people that when they encountered stone structures in Georgia and maybe the Carolinas thought that they must be of european origin. But we know there were native americans in the area with DNA that seems to be of south mexican and central american origin. While there is absolutely no evidence of welsh presence in the Americas, there is still this legend of the Welsh Prince sail off. My guess is he went Walrus hunting for Ivory and did not come back. So I agree with Jamesivie response relative to why they tried welsh and also agree that no native americans were speaking welsh in the americas.

[@noeldoyle4501]

The South American people expected peaceful people carrying a CELTIC CROSS to arrive and uplift them, and trusted them. The Conquistadors carried a Latin Cross, and were not at all peaceful. Some of this information comes from the Hopi people of America. A Catholic priest in the early 20th century heard Native Americans speaking an early form of Gaelic, and put his findings on record, so there could be a lot of truth in stories of early Celtic settlements in America.

[@TingTingalingy]

Oh my do you perpetuate debunked propaganda. The people you're speaking of aren't South Americans, but Mexico, which is North America. The Spanish came with only 300 conquistadors, you cannot actually believe 300 men actually conquered Mexico lol😂 upon their arrival, they actually were happy as they, the Mayan, were tired of being kidnapped by the Aztecs to be sacrificed in very evil ways. Wow 😂😂😂 amazing what you people are willing to believe. The conquistadors were friends with the Mayan. It was the Aztecs that experienced their brutality, and for good reason seeing as they sacrificed 80,000 people a year and actually had wars in order to secure human sacrifices

[@bunjijumper5345]

I hate to break it to you but the Celts were also Catholic, they were only forced to accept Protestantism after Henry VIII couldn't procure a divorce.

[@TingTingalingy]

No surprise. Y comment was censored since I told the truth of 300 conquistadors. You can't actually believe 300 conquistadors conquered all of Mexico 😂

[@noeldoyle4501]

@@bunjijumper5345 I'm very devoted to the Catholic Church, I'm happy being Catholic. I don't have any problems at all with the Latin Cross, or the Church. The websites where I got my information five years ago might still be available, but I don't remember their names.

[@Albanach-je1nk]

​@@bunjijumper5345you don't know Scotland history

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

I was going to comment but what’s the point. We all know that if it’s to do with Wales (The real British people) then it’s all myth, and it doesn’t matter what evidence we provide. Linguistics, Ruins, Stones such as the Brandenburg stone. Academia have their favourites, and the “Welsh” aren’t one of them. Irish! English! Norman! Norse! Roman! Anyone but the Britons.

[@thomasbowdenjr.9672]

Agreed , n Welsh more of n best pirates ever but no mention.

[@ChrisLawton66]

But you did comment.

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

I’m not sure all the Irish would agree with you. Having said that, as an historian of oppression I see what suffered the Welsh suffered as practice for the attempted cultural and physical genocide of indigenous peoples, which was conscious policy at least among settler leaders.

[@theshamanarchist5441]

You think the Normans (Wallians/Welsh) are the 'real' (((British))) people eh Moses Van Jones??? Idiot!!

[@GM-sc3pt]

If you look at the faces of Indigenous North Americans, they appear to have a mixed ancestry. They have the high cheek bones of East Asians, but have round eyes & tall European noses, some even having high bridged Roman noses. Some South American tribes have some Australian Aboriginal genes. Some tribes in Brazil, use the Australian Aboriginal musical instrument, the Didgeridoo & some North American tribes used the spear launching "atlatl", which is called a woomera in Australia. During the last Ice Age, the sea was 400 feet lower, so distances between land & islands weren't as great. Also, how do we know, that continental drift, was always as slow, as it is today?

[@timmullen8951]

Hi, G.M. Good points. Thanks. Early humans moved around a lot more than we realize. Be Well.

[@tomray8765]

My French-Algerian Geology professor told us of a southern Central American expedition he was on with a Hungarian colleague, some years back. To everyone's surprise, the Hungarian found he could communicate with the local Indians.

[@GaborNYC]

It's because the ancestors of the Hungarians and the ancestors of the Native-Americans both came from Siberia, and they were basically the same people at that time.

[@kernicole]

@@GaborNYC Exactly. Hungarian, and Finnish, are both Uralic languages i.e. from the region of the Ural mountains, and if Native Americans came from Siberia - before the Bering Strait was formed - then it is possible that the languages have historical similarites.

[@allon33]

Good history.

[@lindacosma2064]

Momhenochoch looks like old Irish

[@JYFMuseums]

Mowhemenchouch would be an English phonetic spelling of the name of a Monacan town. The Monacan spoke a regional dialect of Siouan called Tutelo or Tutelo-Saponi.

[@timmullen8951]

Is sounds as if the European colonists wanted to take what the Indigenous People/Native American "Indians" had from the start, beginning with their stores of food.

[@HighWealder]

The 'Americans ' like to speak of the 'English ' as though they are some 'other', allowing them to distance themselves from the events. While all the time speaking some archaic form of English that reminds me of the dialects of Devon and Dorset in south west England.

[@JoesWebPresence]

Watching this has left me gruntled, convovulated and whelmed.

[@ez3333]

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[@heidikirchmann9221]

SPecs a bit of weirdness yes... but as someone who listens, the blasted squeaky chair! 😡 seriously?!

[@uptoncriddington6939]

It’s pronounced Edgerton not Eagerton.

[@ChrisLawton66]

Love the video but I despise your creaky table.

[@JonDoeNeace]

Are you saying Welsh Colonials who have descendants with Natives or that pre colonial Natives are part Welsh. One of those things is fine, the other is looking for a fight 😂

[@JYFMuseums]

No, neither. There were no Welsh indians. This video looked at two accounts of the English expedition of November 1608 to make contact with the Monacan people. The Monacan lands were beyond the Fall Line in the Piedmont of Virginia, they were often in conflict with the Powhatan, and spoke a regional dialect of Siouan called Tutelo or Tutelo-Saponi. We find humor in the expedition's officers' belief that the Tutelo-Saponi spoken by the Monacan sounded like Welsh and that Captain Winne, newly arrived in Virginia, should be the interpreter. Winne may have been Welsh and Sir John Egerton’s family - the recipient of Winne's letter - held lands in the West Midlands and along the Welsh border. Today the Monacan are a federally recognized tribe in Virginia. Little came of the expedition. The Monacan had little interest in the English and they returned to Jamestown, as Smith said, “we arrived at James Towne, halfe sicke, all complaining, and tyred with toyle, famine, and discontent”.

[@mnk9073]

"Welsh" was used for a long time to refer to something unintelligible and foreign by (germanic-languages speaking) Europeans. So someone writing in the 1600s he met "welsh speakers" doesn't mean Cymru but plain and simple something alien and incomprehensible.

[@jarlnils435]

The german tiroleans still call the italians walsch. It's a term for romans. When the anglo-saxons arrived in britannia, the people there were roman citizen and as such they were welsh. The franks called the romans of gallia waule which became gaule over time.

[@alansmith795]

Yes the name Welsh or Walsh means foreigners

[@jarlnils435]

@@alansmith795 I think it means romans. The slavs were also foreign but they were called Wenden, not Welsche. And the picts who were also foreign to the germanic tribes were not called welsh. The romano british population of the province Britannia on the other hand was and still is welsh.

[@alansmith795]

@@jarlnils435 thanks for that mister

[@alansmithee8831]

​@@alansmith795Weird, eh?

[@paulbork7647]

Perhaps this was a rationale to get the fine Welshman to actively participate in the expedition and as some might say, “It couldn’t hurt.”

[@fload46d]

From what I know about the English in the new world, they were pretty much the source of most of the problems here.

[@gnostic268]

A lot of these old historical "Welsh Prince Madoc" tales are just letters written by English colonials who were mostly ignorant of anything outside of their personal experiences. Sadly, these types of accounts are often used by Eurocentric settlers today to perpetuate stories that Welsh (white) people originally inhabited this continent and were replaced by Native Indigenous people. This is a settler-move-to-innocence and a way to historically revise the eventual colonization of Indigenous Native tribes and theft of ther ancestral lands via broken treaties. Along with the fact that there was once a supercontinent named Panagea and the Appalachian Mountains area was once attached to modern day Scotland some time in history before the dinosaurs, these stories are continually used by non-Indigenous/Native people to eradicate and erase tribal Nations and history.

[@David-cf9zt]

What nonsense.

[@dougearnest7590]

I for one hate the idea of these tribal nations and their history being erased. There's so much fascinating history there. Which tribes stole land from which tribes. Were the displaced occupants enslaved, driven off, or simply eradicated? Which ones owned slaves? Which ones enslaved only indiginous peoples and which also bought African slaves? In my own part of the world I have a decent handle on the history - the Navajo stole land from the Pueblo, the Apache stole land from the Navajo, the Commanche stole land from the Apache, and the Comanche women were particularly bad about committing atrocities upon their captives. It would be interesting to know more about the tribes in the east and how it is that such a wide variety of cultures could leave so few written records. I guess because of the Eurocentric nature of the people who displaced those who displaced all those other people, most people don't even realize they weren't all one big happy family joining hands around a campfire and singing Kumbaya. So if you know of any resources to which I could turn in my reasearch, I would apprecite your sharing that info with me. Thanks.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

Sure they were! Anyone but the pre English British. Definitely can’t be the actual British people.

[@nativeandindigenuscraftcre433]

Hi thanks for sharing but it like colonist are not right in a way they didnt know how to handle from staving to death meaning bont know how to serving off the land that was life was about for indigenous people how how they didn't sorry to be that way that how i feel about it

[@bethpike3833]

Yeh like couldn't they hunt squirrels and rabbits for food?

[@ZoeKitten84]

The creaking in the background is really distracting

[@mattmiraglia3199]

In 1607 they didn't have creak silencing technology.

[@jeffgeyer7840]

Probably Cicadas.

[@ZoeKitten84]

@@jeffgeyer7840 nah if you watch his elbows every time there’s a creak the table he’s leaning on moves up and down and makes the creak sound. There’s a definite difference between creaking and what cicadas sound like.

[@Jubilo1]

The spectacles are a distraction.

[@RadioMan666]

I finally turned the screen and listened only to the audio. 😜

[@laratemplin9355]

I think they're awesome! Historically accurate.

[@nanook8721]

They were distracting to me in a way that I was wondering where I could get a pair! I think they're awesome!

[@slimzimm1031]

Training tool for your attention deficit disorder

[@JYFMuseums]

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[@cargumdeu]

My, arent you looking pleased with yourself? No doubt that's the entire matter done-and-dusted as far as you're concerned, but I dont think you've addressed all the potential evidence from the historical record here, I'm no expert but even I know there's more to the story than this. If a Welsh prince did lead an expedition here 500 years beforehand and the decendants intermarry with locals, I find this no more unlikely than the fact that Vikings and the Chinese both predated Colombus. What we would expect to see 500 years later is an elusive tribe that kept themselves away from other native Americans, with a mixed language using some words similar to the Welsh equivalent, and possibly distinct building styles. And what I understand from the books I've read is that there are examples of this in the early settler record, in letters and reports if not actual newspaper articles.

[@tomtaylor6163]

Fascinating topic maybe the Welsh Indians sailed to America in a Corrucle

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

No, the Galleon warships they invented! Gal’ Leon. There is that ever present Gal! That often follows the British (Cymric people) ever! There was even a painting of this voyage in a Church, originally covered up by the Norman’s and then painted over by the English. It showed a meteor striking Britain just as in the stories. British history is the most demonised history in the world for a reason! And when I say British I mean Brythonic. Nothing to do with England!

[@taffyducks544]

Galleons! A ship in which the Britons invented.

[@danielferguson3784]

Kindly stop with the two finger signs, here in England that's the same as the middle finger. Make a 2 with the fingers the other way round, that's safe.

[@fourpeasinapodcast6]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc An article anyone wanting to learn more might find interesting!

[@luketracey3269]

Maddoc (maddic) ...means badman in beothuk language . Prince maddoc is Welsh. An Insult to indigenous people to suggest the Welsh are indians. The Beothuks also recorded the first white men came from the good spirit . ☘️👈...and you can find us in the Florida bog 8000 years ago . Same burial position as beothuks....and birdman petroglyphs easter island . Antipodal to India ! Kavakava ribs clearly displayed in Jaisalmer temples . Hereditary pectus excavatum. Hence the term "indians ". Algonquin language sharing linguistic links with Irish ! ...not Welsh! Beothuk meaning"the true people".☘️👈 Did you know Algonquin people own1\6 of earths surface? Legitimately! Neat huh

[@ez3333]

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[@ez3333]

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