Going Wider (form a 150 to 180 rear tire)

A before and after.. going from stock 150 rear tire to 180 Michelin Commander 2's

[@KL-uu2vq]

Looks great! Can’t wait to do the same to mine. I think I’ll put that steering bearing in when I do the front tire

[@claytidwell]

I bougth the Michelin Commander III's and they are amazing. I wish I had bought the 180. ... Now. I'll do that next. :)

[@MrJruta]

Same here

[@travisking1223]

So what I found out today actually aligns w/ my intuition. A 180 tire properly mounted will not fit on an Indian Scout Bobber. Repeat… WILL NOT FIT ON AN INDIAN SCOUT BOBBER. The proper wheel for a 180 tire is not 3.5 as in 16 x 3.5 (OEM) or even 4.5. For a 180 tire, proper fitment is a 5.5 wide wheel. When you install a 180 onto a 3.5 wide wheel you basically distort/increase the aspect ratio of the tire making it taller and more narrow which is why people are claiming that you can run a 180 on a Bobber. Improper fitment actually makes the tire a smidge narrower. Installing a 180 onto a 3.5 or 4.5 wide wheel can be done BUT you by some measure degrade the balance on the tire causing it to naturally dip into turns more aggressively… questionable performance. The ONLY way you can run a 180 wheel on a Scout Bobber with proper fitment is if you delete the rear fender which will allow you to run up to a 240 or if you do like I did and modify the OEM rear subframe to widen it by about a quarter inch. If I come off some kind of way it is because I just ruined the white wall on a brand new 180 thinking that it could be done based on vids like this and others. BTW, I can’t even find a local shop who would agree to put a 180 onto anything less than a 5.5 wide wheel for liability reasons. Nonetheless, word to the wise, go with a 170 tire on the rear which is significantly wider than the stock 150 but still will require a wider wheel (16 x 5.5).

[@thomasglover3834]

Great comment. Cheers. Does sound like uoure saying its fine for 180 on 3.5 if you delete the fender though?

[@travisking1223]

@@thomasglover3834 Even on a 5.5, you can run some 180s. The Dunlop Eagle Elite has a white wall that sits in top of the black rubber and not within the black rubber. Because of that the Eagle Elita actually measures @ 185.9 mm! That's just wide enough to cause it to rub the subframe. Some 180 actually measure as low as 178 mm. That's a whole 8 mm variance. I am certain the subframe on the Scout Bobber is exactly 180 mm wide. Correct that you can put any 180 on a 3.5 but then you compromise the performance of the tire/bike.

[@Shaken_AND_Stirred]

So well said. The 3.5” rim actually “pinches” the sidewall inward, which has the effect of causing the tread to become more rounded, inwardly. Stated differently, the outside edge of the tire is pulled closer to the inside. As you note, this does not allow for the tire to be as “relaxed” as it would on the proper size wheel/rim, thus being as wide as it normally would. Actually, even a tire as big as 200/60/16 tire will actually fit onto a 16” X 5.5-6.25” rim/wheel. A 180/60/16 tire will fit onto a 16” 4.50 - 5.5” rim/wheel according to a tire wheel chart that I have seen. However, as you note, the rear fender must be changed out in order to accommodate a tire this much wider. I have a Softail Slim and it will accommodate a 200 rear tire (with the proper rim/wheel) without any modifications other than installing a wider fender, so as not to have any tire rubbing against the stock fender. Whenever I can find the wheel that I want, I’m thinking of doing this. Of course with a wider fender. Cheers!

[@travisking1223]

@@Shaken_AND_Stirred In the case of the Scout Bobber I actually had to grind down the rear subframe on the side the tire was rubbing by about a 1/4 inch. Although I know that doing so weakens the integrity of the subframe, I'm confident that it was only slightly. And I have ridden 2 up since w/ no issue. However at the same time I generally won't ride 2 up with anyone over 140 lbs. I've probably ridden 2 up less that 5 times since having modified the rear subframe.

[@carlostrujillo3854]

I've always used Michelin pro pilots on my street bike haven't disappointed so why change what works....

[@travisking1223]

I, like you, threw a 180 tire on the back (Dunlop 180/65 16B). I’ve also upgraded the rear suspension to the K-Tech Suspension Razor IV Rear Shocks. When I tested it out, I disappointingly discovered some damage to my tire’s whitewall (on both sides) because the white walls come into contact w/ the sides of the fender in the inner area where the light brackets are mounted. I am wondering if you ran into the same problem w/ the wheel coming into contact w/ the fender. I noticed you stuck w/ the OEM wheel which would seem to make the tire slightly more narrow than it might otherwise be. I upgraded to an RC Component wheel that’s slightly wider (16 x 5.5) which in turn would seem to allow the tire to spread very slightly. Any thoughts on how to remedy this? I am thinking that I could try to adjust the shocks to reduce the sage distance but the concern then is if I ride 2 up it’ll still cause that tire to come into contact w/ the rear fender.

[@snazzycamber]

The 180/65 has a profile of 117mm, the old 150/80 has a profile height of 120mm.Your new tyre is actually a lower tyre by 3mm, and will give less fuel economy and top speed ....(much better tyre though)

[@quintontim]

should of gone with a 180/70 then?

[@oscarrivera4608]

I have a 2016 softail slim. With harley davison dunlop 402. How boig of a tire can i go with.. can you help.. thank you

[@cloutdoors5674]

That a 14" shock?

[@cal3b803]

Anybody know ow how wide I can go on a stock swing arm? I want to run a 200 but I don’t want to grind my swing arm. Kinda sketchy

[@asadahmed4652]

How much wider we can go on both stock rims???

[@amralamodi3238]

What do you think about front tier? What is the widest front tier i can go without modifications my fork or front end?

[@droflic]

Is your a bolt?

[@Flodre]

how wide can you go with the stock rim of the honda rebel

[@zooker78410]

did you mount your rear tire 180 on the original rim

[@tonydevenport3103]

Is that the maximum you can go

[@ericperez4341]

No update video? Difference in handling/if any problems???

[@EvilJ069]

Wider is fine, but if you changed the aspect ratio at all it's going to affect your speedometer

[@johnconnersmithllc6095]

Looks way better with the back tire like that but have you had any problems by putting it on that stock rim I had to go with a Wiider rim to put that tire on my Harley

[@LOZBRY]

Hi I'm building a custom cx500 and have put a bigger tyre on ,but I'm having probs like you said with beading it up can't get it central on the rim any tips loz uk

[@marvinsiciliano9572]

Great Video by the way👍🏽I have a 2017 HD 883. Just wondering if I change the rear to a 180 does it rub on the belt? Or anything else?

[@pulsartech2945]

This isn't an 883 so I doubt he'll know the answer to that

[@philmcclenaghan7056]

Just shows how clueless Harley owners are. They can't even identify their own bike in a video.

[@tachyonicundy]

I have a 2014 Bolt R Spec......Whats the largest rear tire size i can go without any bike modifications? I currently have on a 150, but i would like to go bigger. Thanks !

[@roswellrider9803]

180.. 180 is pretty tight under there.

[@gunnyhartman2]

The stock rear rim is not designed for a 180.

[@travisking1223]

Thanks for calling this out. So what I found out today actually aligns w/ my intuition. A 180 tire properly mounted will not fit on an Indian Scout Bobber. Repeat… WILL NOT FIT ON AN INDIAN SCOUT BOBBER. The proper wheel for a 180 tire is not 3.5 as in 16 x 3.5 (OEM) or even 4.5. For a 180 tire, proper fitment is a 5.5 wide wheel. When you install a 180 onto a 3.5 wide wheel you basically distort/increase the aspect ratio of the tire making it taller and more narrow which is why people are claiming that you can run a 180 on a Bobber. Improper fitment actually makes the tire a smidge narrower. Installing a 180 onto a 3.5 or 4.5 wide wheel can be done BUT you by some measure degrade the balance on the tire causing it to naturally dip into turns more aggressively… questionable performance. The ONLY way you can run a 180 wheel on a Scout Bobber with proper fitment is if you delete the rear fender which will allow you to run up to a 240. If I come off some kind of way it is because I just ruined the white wall on a brand new 180 thinking that it could be done based on vids like this and others. BTW, I can’t even find a local shop who would agree to put a 180 onto anything less than a 5.5 wide wheel for liability reasons. Nonetheless, word to the wise, go with a 170 tire on the rear which is significantly wider than the stock 150 but still will require a wider wheel (16 x 5.5).

[@motomomo3]

hey, did you use the 180/65 16 touring tire or cruiser tire?

[@roswellrider9803]

Cruiser

[@mje1625]

Hey, Roswell Rider! Thanks for the video. Have you had any issues with the wider tire rubbing on any part of the frame, belt, or another stationary part of the bike? Thanks!

[@WarpigGunsout]

Have the same question after this video I'm seriously thinking about upgrading my forty eight rear tire to a 180.

[@roswellrider9803]

I have put 21,000 miles on these tires now and I highly recommend them..

[@roswellrider9803]

@@WarpigGunsout I have put 21,000 miles on these tires now and I highly recommend them..

[@silentrider694]

@@roswellrider9803 dude you din't answer the question...

[@greenmarine5]

it isn't 180/ 65 By 16, It's actually 180/ 65 class B by 16. The B stands for the speed rating. B stands for no faster than 130 MPH. Also did you have any excessive pully and belt wear with a wider tire that wasn't designed for the bike? It's been 7 years just curious? Lean angles on Harley's and cruisers are not very good, this is why they have taller side walls. On super sports the walls are much more narrow allowing for a much deeper lean angle and is why a sport touring tire should never be put on a super sport for mileage reasons.

[@ajirox90]

Hey can u suggest broader dual purpose tyres for harley davidson Street 750?

[@mototony3524]

How does it handle going through turns with the wider tire? I just got the same tires, but I kept the rear the stock size. I have gone wider on my yz426f dirt bike and made a world of difference going through sand, rocks, soft dirt, and hard packed dirt. But I'm curious how it handles with a wider than stock rear tire.

[@roswellrider9803]

hbgoya 07 goes through corners great 👍🏼

[@Ivan-hx7cc]

Hey man my rim size is 4.5 inches wide with a 150 as well. Want to make thr rear more agressive so will it work?

[@LOZBRY]

Hi ,I have put a wider tyre on my cx500 but I'm having g probs with it Beeding up can't get them strait , what tricks can you help me with ,

[@johnconnersmithllc6095]

LOZBRY get a wider rim I don't really think it's safe either putting it Wide Tire on that skinny rim

[@carloscolon8444]

How is the performance of it?

[@joelangley2568]

Didn’t change rim or swing arm?

[@tylerholtz7802]

Does the tire rub on anything?

[@roswellrider9803]

Nope

[@paweniedbaa2306]

What is the size od the front tyre? Oto looks tinner then the stock one? What is the handling with the wider rear tyre?

[@TE_53349]

handling will always be worse with a wider tyre as the bike will need to lean more to achieve the same turning radius. however, it gives more confidence

[@myriad860]

bigger tirees really complete the look of the bike... sweet man, i am hoping to get my BOLT soon. I was wondering do you have a power commander on yours? also what did you pay out the door for the bike? just wondering what a fair price is. thanks

[@roswellrider9803]

Kaha K I have the Vance and Hines fuel pack and sticker price on mine was about 8,300 but it is a 2014 and I bought it in February of 2015 so I offer them 7,700 for it and they took it

[@alero1202]

I got my Bolt R-spec new $7600 delivered. The particular dealership was 6 hours north in Caribou, Maine... this place is farther north than Quebec City if you look on a map... so they were happy to drive 6 hours south to get a sale! lol

[@Dude_Virus]

Any clearance issues with the fender?

[@roswellrider9803]

Nope, iv put 12,000 miles on them and ordered another pair

[@Dude_Virus]

@@roswellrider9803 Thanks, I have to change the rear tyre on my 1200 custom sportster so was thinking of going 180. My stock are already Michelin.

[@bigairnick]

update date video is needed!

[@terencemeehan8237]

Nicholas Deeds I agree! Would very much like to see an update on the commanders, thanks.

[@scottmorse1798]

how long must i suffer with the oems? how many miles?

[@roswellrider9803]

scott morse oems?

[@scottmorse1798]

the stock tires. how many miles did you turn before you pulled them off i got 500 miles on 2018 bolt

[@rrgoodmanmr]

I just got a new bolt, from what I have read I'll probably be putting on new tires next spring. I don't even want to go sledding.

[@scottmorse1798]

no joke in emergency breaking, balanced force is mandatory cuz u gona be skidding in yer underwear

[@1j6739hhh]

great video man! how does the tire feel at high speed like 80 mph? I just bought some Dunlop 401 tires for my bolt, havnt installed them yet but am curious how the fatter tire feels... I would love a bit more width on the rear end lmao

[@roswellrider9803]

Bolt On Wheelies honestly man I have no idea at high speed. Just been driving around town and it feels great on cornering! I can let you know by the end of the week tho 👍🏼

[@frogmanjack8790]

Is that the widest you can put on nice video keep it coming

[@roswellrider9803]

yes.. without using a different wheel

[@peterspansk1507]

What size is it on your rim??

[@roswellrider9803]

Peter Spansk stock size... lol

[@peterspansk1507]

3 "? 3.5"? 4" ??

[@dylanglave7879]

how does the rear tire feel on the highway?

[@roswellrider9803]

Dylan Glave feels great 👍🏼

[@dylanglave7879]

did they change the way the overall ride feels? does the ride feel any different with the wider tire than it did the stock tire?

[@roswellrider9803]

Dylan Glave the stock tires are trash compared to these.. The rear feels more sticky on the takeoff on coming to a stop. The turns feel like I can go further over.. I'v been asked to do a 2k miles review vid on this subject.. so I'll try to explain that more in another video. Hope that helps!

[@jasedavids1795]

Will this tire fit my 2005 sportster xlc I have a taller suspension already aa well.for more softer ride

[@jessegreen94]

Dude you have good content why didnt you keep going

[@CeeZeeBTW]

Shop i took it to said it wouldnt fit because the beeds couldnt pop. Buy at your own risk

[@Tacbi0325]

U need to buy wide rim?

[@roswellrider9803]

Tabitha Ramos nope!

[@achieveidealweighify]

180 is to big for a stock rim. Would not recommend it. You should put a disclaimer on your video.

[@jessegreen94]

Roswell rider as in Roswell new mexico

[@matthewburns6843]

You're front tire rotation is backwards!!

[@blackhulk5162]

Get a 240 section tyre

[@TheXopony]

Little taller tire , now you need to do another top speed test . Maybe pick up a couple mph .

[@alero1202]

Top speed test on a bolt? lol not the point. Bigger tires should mean more MPG on the highway.. essentially taller gears. Motor works slightly hard on the low end, but thats where she's got all the torque! Win win!

[@BuyingScratchOffsTiliWinBig]

Ok everyone I have a 94 sporty 883 xlh. If any of you went from 150-180 without the wide tire kit, or changing the front drive sprocket/pulley to a 1in offset pulley then please for the love of god help me out