I agree, but about Final Flash - it's more powerful ki attack, and it's more difficult to control it while charging it up so it is logical that he was struggling. Also if my memory is right he was using final flash much easier and contained a few times in ToP arc
@BonusPac_8 ай бұрын
You may be right. I do think back to how both Goku and Vegeta managed to destroy Cell's top half with their most powerful attacks but Goku seemed to do so without nearly as much effort as Vegeta.
@tillymacca8 ай бұрын
@@BonusPac_ I see your point, and I do agree that Goku at the point of mastered ssj had bigger ki control than vegeta probably. But also I wanna mention that Vegeta didn't had instant transmission so he worked with what he had and made massive strong attack that was meant as a surprise one. And even cell probably didn't knew that it would've damaged him so much because vegeta was pretty good at containing this much energy in one blast.
@Ishowpounds16 күн бұрын
I think it got stated that gokus kamehama was more powerful than vegeta fl against cell
@kyngjaquin463212 күн бұрын
@@BonusPac_uhhhh Goku was at point blank range
@Vennye8 ай бұрын
That's a great point. I actually like details like that. That is some shit I never would have realized about how those characters control ki. I never really thought about or questioned a character's ability to control their ki or how that ki affects the surroundings.
@DamOneManАй бұрын
Goku has better ki control because as a kid he learned how to sense Ki, Vegeta didn't learn that until he came to Earth
@ashlirabid961418 күн бұрын
Good theory
@DamOneMan18 күн бұрын
@@ashlirabid9614it's not a theory it's a fact, you must have never heard of "Ultra Divine Water"
@ashlirabid961418 күн бұрын
@DamOneMan Did you like your own comment?
@DamOneMan18 күн бұрын
@@ashlirabid9614 yes
@rubberwoody20 күн бұрын
Goku charged his most powerful Kamehameha with kaioken x20, which he didnt even know he was capable of at the time , WHILE he was punching frieza. No ki visible until he fired.
@DJV33558 ай бұрын
If goku didn't pull out that times 4 against Vegeta the world would have been cooked 😂😂😂
@BonusPac_8 ай бұрын
Definitely
@nattyt47218 ай бұрын
Most kamehas look the same and trunk's gal gun looks the same. So I think it boils down to how they use ki not control. Goku's ki attacks are calm and powerful. Vegeta's are more rage filled and destructive
@mashonem19 күн бұрын
The Frieza Kaioken bit is actually the best argument too. His control was so amazing that no one realized he was using it other than King Kai. He was still getting washed because frieza was that strong, but his ki control was 👌🏿
@kalibdume35202 ай бұрын
I feel like the difference between goku and vegetas Ki control is just difference in teachings, yeah goku never really created his own move but all of his old and current masters highly emphasize a stable mind body and spirit which would transfer over to his Ki control I feel like
@spyfire24213 күн бұрын
This is only semi related but I much preferred when the characters had 'worse ki control' because they felt much much stronger than they do whenever they mastered their transformations. The absolute aura of a super saiyan ripping apart the environment just by charging up and screaming or like when Goku turned SSJ3 for the first time etc is a very different feeling than the calm inner strength emphasized with forms such as super saiyan mastered form/god. When people say Vegeta has better "Ki control" I think this is what they mean, Vegeta is producing Ki attacks that appear to be far stronger/beyond his own limits to the point that even shocked perfect cell who otherwise thought Vegeta was incapable of even scratching him.
@i_am_gohan92322 ай бұрын
I think we should analyze Gohan’s ki control as well. Once elder Kai unlocked his latent abilities, ultimate Gohan is mad in control of his ki as an adult now. Also when he first turned into a super saiyan 2, he was in great control of his ki vs perfect cell as well. What y’all think? 🤔
@Terminalcarlson6 ай бұрын
I think you're onto something here thou with vegeta creating his attacks where goku uses techniques that have been developed over generations. As saiyan they have insane amounts of ki and vegeta had to find his way of forcing it to do what he wants where goku has learned and was taught ki controlling techniques i think vegeta has better natural ki control but goku can grow and devlop and has developed his ki control to a point that continously beats raw talent
@mariol80106 ай бұрын
Goku has always had better ki control until the most recent super movie where Vegeta won the fight. For example he knew how to lower his energy so they didnt appear powerful on scouters and Vegeta didnt understand how to at first. Or the fact that kaioken is about calming to control their ki and make their energy higher. It was not until the tournament of power did Vegeta realize how powerful ki control really was. Prior to that is was more about willpower of your ki for Vegeta.
@MadderEmoАй бұрын
The final flash being more erratic then kamehameha is a bad point to talk about their ki control. Cause context of the situation needs to be added , Vegeta wasn’t trying to control this blast he wanted to push the outer most limits of the blast into it as Cell Challenges him To do so. Vegeta is bulking up cause he didn’t want to use Grade 3 SSJ & this scene showcased what Cell said about Vegeta not being stupid like trunks to use it. But he did use it in the midst of powering up to give his BEST SHOT to Cell. You Can easily argue vegeta’s final explosion is one of the greatest feats of ki control , as your Ki is literally ripping you apart from the inside and out and yet he still generates a powerful blast to hurt and engulf buu , while also keeping it at bay in a very controlled area. He generated more power then Teen Gohan’s and Cell’s beam clash with less destruction.
@swordsman1119822 ай бұрын
I think Vegeta has better Ki control cause he is able to access more of it when needed. Final Flash would have ended perfect cell if he didn’t dodge at the last minute. Goku’s had to teleport and hit a flat footed Cell to do similar. And during the Buu Saga and Super Vegeta is able to turn his body into a nuke basically that can take out damn near anything. Vegeta might look like his control is unstable, but its cause he is able to draw out so much more while being not as strong
@YGOPaisano2 ай бұрын
Goku also needed Kaiken. We don't know which attack was stronger to be honest.
@SonDolo721 сағат бұрын
Late comment but goku being able too ki bind broly with his ki should be enough example of who better at it
@BonusPac_20 сағат бұрын
Facts 💯
@yemoochy955312 күн бұрын
Vegeta got better in super when he learn SS God look at his fight with Broly Super
@Rallow74 ай бұрын
What video is this from 😂
@Kairac1128 ай бұрын
To be fair, Final Flash > Kamehameha... I like to think that if Vegeta didn't pull up his Final Flash he would have killed Cell, but he would've destroyed the planet, too.
@ksuperfly554 ай бұрын
Nah vegeta has better ki control goku is better at combat
@Rex_Cosmos3 ай бұрын
The writing and power system of dbz doesn’t warrant this level of analysis. They don’t get into the concept of ki control.