Gold Coast Light Rail Stage 4 Flyover

[@grahampeck7259]

The sooner we get this built the better, so many selfish nimbys in Palm Beach

[@coasterblocks3420]

The governments local, state and federal better pull their fingers out and get this and enormously more mass transit build before 2032 or those Olympics will be a colossal disaster.

[@robscott682]

Where is the Currumbin on ramp going north ?

[@tisnotmy-name1180]

Look at the ramp on the eastern side, it'll be an intersection with lights.

[@wozm9924]

The volume of traffic represented in this video is misleading, particularly around Palm Beach. Its wonderland. It is highly unlikely that the prevailing 'theory' of a modified M1 being able to reduce traffic on this road to any effective degree will stand up to the reality of who it is that actually uses this road on a day to day basis. What really needs to happen is a reduction of traffic on nearby residential roads where the kids cycle to school, as opposed to encouraging their use as rat runs to avoid the GC Hwy.

[@peterroberts2104]

Unfortunately the trams for this system are all being built in Austria - whatever happened to Australian made???

[@acde9355]

I think those Real European vehicles are better than many Australian made products. Probably I will pick Australian products when compared to Chinese products, but pick European products when compared to Australian products.

[@rajagupta6772]

@@acde9355 The trams made in Melbourne are literally the same family as these (Flexity swift for the current E class, Flexity 2 for the upcoming G class which is the same series as the Glink tram). The design is from a French company called Alstom but they do around 50% of the manufacturing in Victoria. Also: China makes good rolling stock. Thats why Melbournes new trains are Chinese ! (again with 50% local content) @Peter Roberts I dont think QLD has the capability for manufacturing unfortunately and unless there is a lot of demand for light rail vehicles it might be more economical to just buy them from overseas

[@MarioStahl1983]

So far, so good. But when will construction ultimately start and when can wereally expect the first trams to run? I mean REALISTICALLY!!!

[@rajagupta6772]

I read that the locals in Palm Beach dont want it so the govt proposed going through a more inland route. They may still be negotiating...

[@MarioStahl1983]

@@rajagupta6772 😅 so typical

[@keeran02]

@@MarioStahl1983 nimbys am i right

[@romino23]

one lane GC HWY will cause major traffic jams on daily basis.. not just palmie, but surrounding suburbs will be affected too.. it is bad enough now, will be super frustrating once this mess is built..

[@August-and-finley]

Also imagine emergency services trying to reach accidents in stand still single lane traffic.

[@amx1345]

Less lanes = more people go onto other routes. It's not that hard

[@mitch438]

At 0:53, I'm not quite sure why the rails cross the roadway, across the new bridge and then back across the roadway to the centre median. Why not route the tram across the existing bridge, in place of the southbound lanes, then route the southbound lanes onto the new bridge? At the least, would like to see the crossover combined with the existing intersection at Tallebudgera Drive, keep the tracks east of the roadway next to the rec centre.

[@mjlewi4024]

Look what they’ve done to this once beautiful town. Turning it into the shit they left.

[@ash-ok6dr]

Reliable public transport is so scary omg 🤡🤡

[@iraplayz5401]

Omg public transport no one is going to use and make GC ugly 😱

[@FrosstyOfficial101]

@@iraplayz5401 doesnt make it ugly just lowers the traffic on the roads

[@iraplayz5401]

@@FrosstyOfficial101 first of all, People like to drive cars and not in disgustingly horrible junkie eshay filled public transports, secondly, it DOES make the areas it’s in ugly in some case, hope this helps!

[@FrosstyOfficial101]

@@iraplayz5401 the problem is we're way too car centric ik public transport is full of junkies and thats why people don't wanna ride it but its needed otherwise we just have 8 lane main roads everywhere because the traffic is horrible

[@iraplayz5401]

@@FrosstyOfficial101too bad! I’ll be enjoying life in my cozy car!

[@therealestriku]

single lane gold coast highway - you must be joking

[@MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV]

Why should there be a highway on the coast?...

[@robscott682]

That is pure fantasy , it does not correlate with property resumption’s

[@russellstuart7544]

This is a tragedy in the making... Imagine the traffic that will be forced onto Townson Avenue - with a school in the middle, so 4 hours a day during the week it will be 40km per hour past it. Only 3 right hand turns going south into Palm Beach from Tallebudgera Creek.. And all this with development at an all time high in Palm Beach and surrounds.. Do you think all these wealthy people will use the tram?? Stop this madness before it goes further!

[@sarahbradshaw6435]

Could you please make this flyover accurate with the high number of cars and other traffic that travel this route throughout the day. It is very misleading to show so little other transport.

[@MarioStahl1983]

Are you against the light rail? PLease answer simply with yes or no.

[@ash-ok6dr]

that takes alot of animation sarah, would you like to pay 3D animators an extra few thousand dollars to add more cars frame by frame

[@therandomidiotontheinternet]

Stage 3 hasn’t even been built yet and they don’t know what traffic with be like in maybe 2026-9 when this is completed

[@chuckle79]

This tram is going to cause major traffic jams and bottle necks through palm beach, no parking. Terrible, why not go around the back?

[@marcelfotomoto]

Mental. Single lane GCHWY. Mental.

[@alaindubois1505]

Queensland may have funds for trams on the coast, but why did the rail line stop for 11 or 12 years at Varsity Lakes? Years ago road traffic was at a stand still around this point. NSW government openly declares - it wishes to 'divest itself' of rural railways. It doesn't matter who gets voted in. So, what did people so in 1967? 22 councils and 70% voted in a referendum to secede from NSW {Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong} in NSW northern regions. This is about twice the population of Tasmania, when we include the Northern Rivers, New England, Coffs Harbour and a few more regions. It's the ONLY way that we can get our share of taxation - just like other states do. Sydney folk are apartheid middle class folk, who don't care about rural residents. They have two-thirds of the state's population. People had enough of NSW neglect to the northern rural regions [closer to Brisbane than Sydney] in 1967 - this has only gotten worse.

[@uzziya6392]

So forgive the wall of text because I'm a bit of an infrastructure freak and there's a couple parts to this. The first, is that the NSW North Coast line is not suited to modern passenger service. Particularly the parts so far away from the network's centre in Sydney that they're closer to Brisbane. The second, is a fundamental misunderstanding of how infrastructure funding is allocated in Australia. It has nothing to do with getting your "share of taxation" but rather new projects need to undergo a Cost-Benefit Analysis to even be considered for funding. Rural rail normally doesn't pass that analysis and so doesn't get a lot of resources allocated to it. There are exceptions, the Brisbane-Melbourne bullet train passes its CBA every time but that's because it includes the big cities. The Queensland government also ignored Infrastructure Australia failing Cross River Rail's CBA because it only did so because the Federal Government lied about what side of the Brisbane river the CBD was on (the argument being there's no need for Ipswich/Gold Coast trains so cross the river if the Brisbane CBD is on the South side, which it isn't). If you want to see better service in Northern NSW you essentially have three options: *1)* The Queensland Government quad tracking and extending the Gold Coast narrow gauge line into NSW border communities and providing service that way. *2)* The Queensland Government/NSW Government duel tracking (and probably electrifying) as much of the North Coast line as they can and cooperating on a Brisbane-centred intercity network. Same as the Intercity network around Sydney or Victoria's V/Line trains but extending South from Brisbane into Northern NSW. Since QR are already building one such line West to Toowoomba (on standard/duel gauge track) it'd probably fit with that. *3)* Co-opting the new corridor that Federal Labor's bullet train would create to run a mix of high speed (350kmph) services between the state capitals as well as slower (160-200kmph) regional trains that use part of the new bullet train corridor and part of the North Coast line and branch lines to smaller communities. Same as what the UK do with the East Coast and West Coast Main Line or the Americans do with the Northeast Corridor (and about as long as the Northeast Corridor too).

[@again5162]

​@@uzziya6392 Light rail on the Gold Coast is a joke. It's really catering to tourism. It was funny when it was presented as a "rapid transport system". I can ride a bicycle on the great bike paths and keep up or exceed these trams. The service workers live in the hinterland suburbs and are forced to drive, unless Nerang is connected people still need cars. And only the coastal areas are conducive to bicycles the further inland the poorer it gets

[@uzziya6392]

@@again5162 I don't see how that's even remotely relevant to anything I wrote.

[@emichaelproudfoot4585]

It’s a great idea to run the light rail all the way to Coolangatta. But if you are going to have only one lane of traffic in certain areas,it will be a disaster. It definitely needs two lanes,plus parking for it to be a success. One accident at these sections will cause major problems,what about emergency services.

[@cmyk8964]

I think the point of it is to discourage personal car use for short/local trips, and direct cars away from the light rail for long/intercity trips. The best way to reduce traffic is to reduce demand, after all.

[@FuglyLookingGuy]

Never have I seen so few cars on that road. The only way this video is realistic is if another strain of Covid is 90% fatal.

[@grantsheard9208]

Tens of thousands of people need the GC highway to get to their homes and they make it worse, one lane through Palmbeach ! Biggest waste of money and will destroy the Southern Gold Coast thanks to (Tom Tate fantasy land) And( Mark Bailey from Brisbane.)

[@MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV]

One tram train is 30++ cars on the street. Trying to fight for the cars is like people did in the '70s. Drive to a tram stop and take it to your destination or if you live beside the tram. Take it every day with less stress. The car is great when its no traffic. But when it is full it's a nightmare. You can have a Tesla or Porche. But you are all standing in the same traffic jam as a Fiat. With a tram you can travel with a heart not stressed. Try it. And welcome to 2021 ;)

[@tisnotmy-name1180]

@@MichalBergseth-AmitopiaTV Hey, you have a cool channel. Where do you live?

[@MB-hv6hw]

Now they can jump on the tram Grant and not sit in traffic! See how that works?

[@grantsheard9208]

@@MB-hv6hw not everyone can get to the tram you Wally ,people from Currumbin Waters, elanora,west of the GC highway. The tradies need it also ,what they going to do carry their tools on the tram

[@MB-hv6hw]

@@grantsheard9208 The road is still open. The tradies will be fine.

[@bella-lm4gn]

Rip the Gold Coast for what it was

[@garrywallace1007]

A car borne sewer..the tram is fantastic. Welcome to the 21st century.

[@trekswithnick]

shut up nimby

[@bulmkt97]

Where are airport travellers going to store their luggage when they are arriving/departing from the Airport? There's no room for luggage storage. This has got to be one of the worst ideas ever put forward.

[@bulmkt97]

So one lane between 19th ave and palm beach ave will turn Palm Beach into a crawl...and then more one lanes into Tugun? is the QLD state govt going out of its way to screw over locals? this will cause traffic chaos. How many hundreds of millions will it cost to duplicate the Currumbin bridge? Where's the part leading to the airport? Terminate the current light rail at Burleigh heads. Build stage four of the light rail to Varsity Heavy Rail Station and then extend the heavy Rail to the Airport. This would be the smart option. Name one City anywhere in the world that services its airport with a light rail system? Answer - No where. Where are airport travellers going to store their luggage when they are arriving/departing from the light rail??? There's no room for luggage storage. This has got to be one of the worst ideas ever put forward. Meanwhile the M1 is still be upgraded so I guess no one will be moving anywhere fast....

[@NathanBugeja]

100% agree. Gobsmacked to see those corridors turn into one lane. What a farce this is for locals.

[@benlong6934]

Why don't you use the tram then. You won't have to sit in traffic. I don't think you comprehend the purpose of the tram.

[@jubusmaximus]

@@benlong6934 From where to where? Do you live next to the proposed tram line? It goes straight down the coast - no feeders from where people live and work. Also the stations are a long way apart. The only use I can see is to get people from the airport to hotels. No use for locals just a huge hindrance to every part of their lives .

[@bulmkt97]

@@benlong6934 the Govt is purposely creating a choke point in Palm Beach all to service an airport that would be better catered by heavy rail. Again name one airport anywhere in the world that is service by a light rail? You can’t because only idiots in QLD govt would think that’s a winning idea to do here in the Gold Coast.

[@adammcnamara5027]

@@benlong6934 im guessing you blew in from somewhere else, just making the Gold Coast ugly and connecting the beach to area’s we want nothing to do with. There never going to get rid of traffic.

[@wozm9924]

Reducing two lanes to one lane then back to two lanes then back to one lane again, over and over along this stretch of road and in this area with the volumes of traffic that it regularly gets is a very bad idea. No one who lives in this area and is familiar with the traffic could be in favour of such a concept. And we all know what happens to the GC Hwy whenever the M1 gets blocked up.

[@amx1345]

There's multiple other routes. Reducing lanes will inherently reduce traffic on the highway

[@wozm9924]

@@amx1345 Such a misinformed comment appears to indicate that you do not live in this area. What "other multiple routes" might you be referring to? Residential back streets perhaps?

[@KhanPiesseONE]

Versions of this project have been done hundreds of times around the world. If you remove car lanes and replace them with rapid public transport, many more people catch transit instead which reduces the demand on the road. The traffic will be bad at first but then it’ll be fine after a few months.

[@wozm9924]

@@KhanPiesseONE Ok, no sure which part of the world you are referring too. Perhaps the third world or a developing country? As a rule a well managed administration will not use massive inconvenience as a tool to force people onto a (not overly rapid) single line tram. I would hazard a guess that you are not local to this area and therefore have little idea about the volumes of traffic that moves through this corridor.

[@jameson566]

The people commenting here obviously don't live here. The tram won't reduce traffic at all, especially with the massive population growth the GC is experiencing. And as you point out, the constantly changing road width will turn the GC highway into a car park.

[@wtfa2910]

You cannot be serious only having one lane each way

[@coasterblocks3420]

Many people will use mass transit, rather than driving, when it is available and more again when heavy rail reaches Coolangatta airport.

[@nickpower-fj9bu]

Coasterblocks…. That has never really been the case. Those who work and live and shop on the route will but everyone else is stymied at either end.

[@nickpower-fj9bu]

Coolangatta police station and courthouse should sit above a station with a massive car park under.

[@yousefamed7753]

This metro expansion will be a great added value to the G.coast .

[@again5162]

Good for investors in property immediately surrounding the stations but bad for the poor service workers which is most jobs in the area. It doesn't connect the inland suburbs where all the workers reside some up to 50 km inland.

[@brighleydangerfield]

And where is all the parking for people to even be able to get to utilise our overly expensive public transport anyway?

[@conorchristmas6844]

A single lane in places. Are they insane?

[@cmyk8964]

Aren’t there any byways?

[@shanus4321]

omg it goes down to 1 lane through palm beach

[@nicktomaras9772]

Will be AWESOME when completed. I am a Melbourne resident, that travels to the Gold Coast on a regular basis.

[@user-by3lf9xb1w]

This is an absolute disaster from Palm Beach to Tugun. All your modelling hasn't taken into account the influx of people since dear old covid. There will be constant traffic jams on the highway from Palm Beach to Tugun going both ways. This will increase the rat runners through both suburbs. Will the tram have the ability to climb the hill over Currumbin Creek or is there something which is not being shown.

[@rajagupta6772]

Cant wait to ride this when Im at GC next!

[@jimzcarter1]

It would be expensive, but they should put in a cut and cover dual carriage way car tunnel as a bypass for the Palm Beach stretch, starting just after the Tallebudgera bridge and resurfacing just before the Currumbin bridge, approximately 3km. It would leave the surface road for local traffic and allow through traffic a quick pass of what is a busy section of the GC highway at the best of times.

[@mitch438]

It goes down to one lane at nineteenth avenue. What might be more palatable for the bean counters is to widen nineteenth and build a interchange with the motorway to divert some of the traffic onto the Pac Mwy.

[@clareross8934]

Going to the airport, with kids and luggage....and getting to a tram stop? No thanks, I would Uber! Put public transport where it is most needed.

[@michaellim7002]

Tram will service domestic passengers to shopping, schools, university, TAFE, work, play etc as well, not just airport travels. Not many passengers can afford taxi, Uber etc on their daily commute

[@clareross8934]

@@michaellim7002 a family paying fares on the tram is much more expensive than a quick, convenient uber door to door. It is totally not needed on the coast.

[@user-lq9cn6kz4g]

This is the biggest waste of tax payers money for a start the southern end of the gold coast doesn't have anywhere near the population of the northern end, you only have to watch the empty electric buses travailing to and from Coolangatta . 97% of the residents are not within walking distance, so you would still be required to catch a bus or drive ,there is little parking which have a 2 or 3hr parking limit. limiting the highway to one lane would be a major disaster, even when the new freeway is finished it will still be gridlocked, throw in an accident on the m1 you will see a line of traffic back to NSW and Brisbane. Because of the crossovers you would also see the light rail come to a stop. Then we have the land resumption , starting with the aboriginal land at Burliegh, Tallebudgera they want us to give a yes vote for the referendum, if the they wont even listen to the community on the southern end of the gold coast, what chance have the Aboriginals got, when you have people like Tom DicTateor pushing things on communities they don't even want or need, or has he received a big donation from his crony developer mates to push this though. We have a major tourist attraction at Sprinbrook mountain which the road has been closed for 2 years put the money into that and the other infrastructures we need instead of things no one needs or wants

[@again5162]

Don't live full-time in the GoldCoast area unless you enjoy constant 24 hour roadworks and getting woke up by construction crews on new buildings. Don't worry about the noise of jetskis it's the super rich assholes in their twin v8 superyacts that will wake you up early on a Sunday, it's a low drone that can be felt through skyscraper walls. It's ok for a weekend away but he'll to live in. And I grew up there for 30 years

[@DrewHultonSmith]

Inaccurate, not-to-scale, artists impression concept drawings only. Nothing about this should be taken seriously, except the threat to your home, your livelihood and your lifestyle.

[@byronhardy8982]

This is rubbish. Makes me laugh

[@adammcnamara5027]

Awesome, crime will be going through the roof once that eyesore is finished. Leave the Southern end alone please were all quite happy down here.

[@garrywallace1007]

Yeah right, crime is linked to access to rail trasport????

[@adammcnamara5027]

@@garrywallace1007 im not sure im not a statistician are you ? We dont want it nor do we need it. Grid lock traffic with a empty tram. Seem’s like the only people who want it are tourists and blow in’s who’ve moved to the better end of the coast in the last 5yrs.

[@dihydrogenmonoxide1756]

Hello, I happen to study statistics and I can confirm that access to public transport doesn't increase crime or criminal numbers - it tends to decrease it due to a number of factors

[@user-po8jp9zk9n]

No thanks

[@Mattoman501]

Surely this thing can’t still be getting peddled? If this goes ahead, the southern Gold Coast will be ruined. An absolute disgust of a project and serious waste of money.

[@wayneburke3353]

Put a busway thru. Cheaper and aesthetically better than the ugly power towers we can see that exist in the current light rail track. Do not destroy the iconic Tallebudgera and Currumbin waterways with this eyesore. Better still. Retain the existing bus service and not destroy the southern end of the Gold Coast like you have done in Surfers Paradise and adjoining suburbs.

[@ash-ok6dr]

why would a busway make any sense? what kind of stupid idea is that.

[@TOTN17]

Move to Hervey Bay Old Fart, it's like what the Gold Coast was in the 1960's when you were growing up, everyone votes LNP, no Public Transport on Sundays and Public Holidays hell there wasn't even Sunday Trading until 2013 and old LNP Voting guy like you will love it

[@michaellim7002]

@@TOTN17 But 70% of Federal Parliamentarians in Gold Coast are from LNP mate. Go check it.

[@TOTN17]

@@michaellim7002 More and more Southerners moving to QLD could prove to be a really problem for the LNP scum across QLD but Labor do hold a State Seat on the GC

[@michaellim7002]

@@TOTN17 You are right. But the Mayor is from LNP too for the past 20 years +.

[@again5162]

I lived on the Gold Coast for many years and moved out as soon as this lunatic development went ahead. In my 30 years of experience travelling around the Gold Coast as a student and worker not a single part of this track is useful to everyday blue collar workers, to pretend it's anything other than an investment grab is dishonest. The majority of permanent residents that aren't retired or poor that use this daily must be abysmal for the cost. It slows down the entire transport system. Amazing that monorail wasn't used it has a smaller footprint and is more exciting for tourist and the Gold Coast previously had 2 monorails operating safely for decades. Idiots Thanks for wrecking my hometown

[@uzziya6392]

You're not jist wrong you're fractally wrong. The "rapid" in rapid transit refers to how often the service comes not how fast it goes. Rapid transit is normally pretty slow (subways don't usually exceed 60kmph in regular service sans short sections here-and-there) and the lack of rapid transit in the Gold Coast "blue collar" suburbs has more to do with how they're designed than a desire to cash in on investment. If you want that changed then you'll need to talk to your counciler about more mixed use and high density zoning. If you want faster transit then you're after commuter rail. The light rail doesn't slow down anything. Ignoring buses a paved road has a maximum capacity of 2,000 people per lane per hour. A bidirectional transitway (which the light rail is) has eleven times that at 22,000 people per direction per hour. The light rail isn't min-maxed for capacity obviously but all things being equal those two tracks can carry more that five times as much per hour than the rest of the road. Monorails don't have a reduced footprint compared to light rail. If you want elevated rail then you can put trams on elevated tracks or heavy rail on elevated tracks in exactly the same footprint if you need to. Some monorail designs have benifits over regular elevated trams and trains. A reduced footprint isn't one of them. Also, only some monorail designs have those benifits. The straddling varieties build on the Gold Coast and in Brisbane don't have those.