Gold Twenty Franc Rooster Review: How to tell Original vs Restrike

[@formersomethingsomething3273]

Got my second rooster today, a beautiful 1904 for 97% of spot, gotta love my LCS.

[@drdragonkick5251]

That’s awesome 👏

[@lialpascal5076]

Thank you for this nice vidéo. Just one point : According to me, coins with "liberté, égalité, fraternité" are not restrike, but coins made after 1905, time when State and Church split in France.

[@MacGyver7640]

I'm afraid the information here is incorrect. 1) The 1899-1906 are all originals ("DIEU PROTEGE LA FRANCE"). The change in the edge letting was due to the separation of church and state law of 1905. So when the restrikes were made (1921 and 1952-1960) the law was in place. 2) About half of the 1907-1914 mintage are restrikes. The originals and restrikes have the same design (with some differences in strike quality and copper content).

[@fin59shaw]

I've been wanting a Rooster for a long time, finally got one today! I'd never even seen one in real life, it is a beautiful coin! Mine is a 1910.

[@drdragonkick5251]

Congrats! They are certainly fun to collect. I’m working on a full set, almost there !!

[@fin59shaw]

​@@drdragonkick5251Great that you are getting close to your goal! I guess I could Google it, but if you have time, I would like to learn about what a "restrike" actually is. It can't be what I'm thinking, that would be impossible.

[@greyfox4]

Just bought a restrike. I love it! Thanks for all the great information!! 👍

[@robertvekix548]

I should like to mention, that although all rooster 20 fr struck from 1907 to 1914 are restrike they are officially restruck by the paris mint from 1951 to the end of the 1950s, and are not forgeries. However one must be careful, because forgeries exist, and can be seen on utube by another uploader. The official paris restrikes are reddish copper color from the yellow original pieces struck from 1899 to 1907.

[@Cache73]

Just bought one... it's a restrike, but I'm good with it. Rock on.

[@NickFromLongIsland]

Restrike or not, gold is gold 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@michaelangelobergeron5980]

I got one of these and they’re amazing coins!

[@2410amym]

Interesting content.

[@somerandomvertebrate9262]

Thinking about getting these as they're so pretty, but man, do I hate the fact that the Paris Mint put 1907-1914 on the restrikes instead of 1921 and 1951-1960, respectively!

[@vcupiano]

Damnit, I’ve been buying these up and I had no idea. Still a beautiful coin but that’s terrible news, thanks a lot man, you’ve ruined my day! 😉

[@drdragonkick5251]

Luckily the premium for originals isn’t much more than restrikes on this one. Except as I look more I realize 1899s seem to be a lot more expensive . Take good care fellow stacker

[@vcupiano]

@@drdragonkick5251 you too brother

[@DrTarrandProfessorFether]

Wrong. France change rules in 1906 to remove God from coins. Very hard to tell if a restrike vs original 1907 to 1914 20 gold franc coin. Some good research out there explaining why France make official restrikes from 1951 to 1960. To pay off gold bonds tied to Napoleons gold coins. All 1907 to 1914 Rooster have the new motto.

[@mohamedhoweidy5737]

thank you excellent video but may I ask what is the price of the original golden grand??

[@drdragonkick5251]

This depends on the price of gold per ounce and the condition at any given time. I'd say that an average circulated, but extra fine coin is probably only 10-15$ above spot price, even an original. An original is usually only maybe 5$ more than a restrike (unless its 1898 exceptionally rare or above an ms 62 grade). So to calculate the price, take the spot price of gold on a given day and then multiply it by the gold content in the coin (which is .1867 for this one) and then add 10-15$ of premium. As of today 1840per oz multiplied by .1867 = $343 and then add $10-15 = between $353-358 USD

[@jackstehlik1942]

Awesome video! Great information! Been trying to tell the difference between restrikes and originals. So if it is from 1899 to 1906 and say liberte egalite fraternite it is a restrike, and all from 1907 to 1914 are restrikes? There are no restrikes that say Dieu Protege la France?

[@drdragonkick5251]

That’s correct

[@jackstehlik1942]

@@drdragonkick5251 Great! Information on gold roosters restrikes is hard to come by!

[@michaelmeier273]

No restrikes are only from 1907 to 1914 ( but ehre are alos originals form 1907 to 1914 but you cannot see differences). before 1906 are all originals ... 1906 could be it was a changing year

[@GratefulGuru]

@@michaelmeier273 is a restrike bad?

[@vanhelsingvanruper8126]

So is it possible to have an original 1908 or not?

[@rub1843]

@DRDRAGONKICK Hi do u know how much of 1903 are actually made? Ty :)

[@drdragonkick5251]

UPDATE: I;m sorry i gave you the rooster numbers. According to the NGC world coin guide 200,000 HELVETIA we’re minted in 1903

[@drdragonkick5251]

200,000 helvetia were made in 1903

[@dalzcoins7528]

wow super nice coins❤❤❤🙏

[@rogertayloRRR]

Useful vid . how.can u tell a restrike of swiss

[@mr.discreet7268]

Is there such thing as originals from 1907 to 1914? New to gold stacking and just ordered one. Beautiful coins and interesting history for sure.

[@drdragonkick5251]

Based on what I've read, the short answer is No: Everything from 1907 to 1914 should be a a restrike. I did read that 1906 was the transition year so you have to check the edge to see if it is original vs restrike. Another indicator is that the restrikes all have a slighlty ]red hue to them compared to originals. It was likely that only copper was used in restrikes for that remaining 10% of metal alloy, while a tad of silver would be in the originals making the luster more gold in appearance. There are also counterfeits out there with the correct gold content, because the price of the coin was selling for 2.5x the gold cost at one point in the mid 70s. Does your edge and date misalign?

[@mr.discreet7268]

@@drdragonkick5251 I haven’t received the coin yet. I did a random BU year from Apmex. I’m guessing I’ll get a restrike but I’ll see in time. Thank you for the information, it’s very helpful

[@drdragonkick5251]

Mr. Discreet very nice! You never know, sometimes they surprise you ... the good thing with these is the restrikes are generally nicer condition than the originals and originals don’t carry much of a premium (*with the exception of the 1899, but definitely don’t expect that date)

[@mr.discreet7268]

@@drdragonkick5251 Well that’s good to hear. I’ll like it either way. These and the earlier coins seem to be real good for stacking.

[@amblalico7655]

HI, Actually I have two coins rooster 20.One of these is 1908 and is written on the since "Liberte egalite fraternite" the other coin is 1907 I have order like a ring but couldn't see what is written at the side because is hidden by the ring design. After I saw this video I put coins together next to each other and figure out that: the coin 1908 is more yellow than the coin 1907. Coin 1907 looks like rose-colored than other coins that I have. Does the color mean anything at this point? ...or is doubt something? Please let me know about these. Thank You

[@drdragonkick5251]

I’m going to have to do some more research but I read recently in a French coin magazine that there are actually originals from 1907-1914 and that the difference of original is they are more gold in color and the restrike are more rosey (more copper in alloy). I need to confirm this and If so have to redo the video , thanks

[@amblalico7655]

@@drdragonkick5251 Thank you for responding, I can show to you the photo that I took, but if it possible to have your email or smth.

[@drdragonkick5251]

@@amblalico7655 i dont think seeing it would make a difference because i wouldn't know. I think the one in the ring is a restrike if its more rosey and that there were coins minted from 1906-1914 that were originally struck and have the liberty egalite fraternite. Then at a later time like 50s it was restruck and all were back dated 1906-1914.

[@MacGyver7640]

@@drdragonkick5251 That's correct. Posted a link above to confirm that (screenshot from a French coin book). Thanks for covering Latin Monetary Union coins! And have the diligence to be willing to follow-up.

[@attilaa2065]

What makes it a restrik and what year did that happen

[@normanbataille8865]

My wife and I get these coins as an anniversary gift every year. It’s from 1910, and says Egalite Fraternite, libérte (in the correct order of course), does it mean that is a fake? Also which gold is this coin made of? Thanks

[@drdragonkick5251]

If it’s 1907-14 it should say what your says… if it’s pre 1907 It should be the other motto. You should be fine. It’s 90% gold and usually copper is the other portion..

[@normanbataille8865]

@@drdragonkick5251 thank you

[@watchf]

There are official fr3nch restrikes

[@cliffordcadiente174]

I have that coin how much you buy and how to send you ah pictures

[@ebayaccount675]

Which is worth more?

[@Lamdacorp-o8n]

Toats saving for this

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Mine says : Liberte , Egalite , Maternity...... Do you think it might be a fake ?

[@drdragonkick5251]

Uh oh ! That’s funny … better get that checked out

[@goldcoins3071]

it is not a restriction, both are originals.

[@sarheessathees1332]

French 1970 10c coins sri lanka prich plz tel me sir

[@drdragonkick5251]

not sure you are asking, but most 10 centimes coins from France frmo 1970 are aluminum or steel, so likely only a little more than 10 cents value...if its gold or silver much more

[@sarheessathees1332]

French 1970 Gold 10c / Malaysia 2018 Gold 50 SEN

[@drdragonkick5251]

@@sarheessathees1332 would have to see ..

[@lwmdbmwl]

Where can i get an original from

[@drdragonkick5251]

I mean , using the dates and info in the bud, scan eBay from a trusted seller, liberty coin, or jmbullion, or apmex .. id choose a reputable source to be safe. Good luck

[@lwmdbmwl]

@@drdragonkick5251 there is a 1906 coin on apmex lol

[@yodoleheehoo]

Hi! What is it worth? I have an original from 1904.

[@drdragonkick5251]

Hello, Well today 7/25/21 gold is $1800 an ounce spot, so the gold content is worth $1800x .1867 oz (gold in coin).. which is $336.06 usd. Usually you can add a little premium bc you have a coin rather than just raw gold and then maybe a couple more dollars for an original vs restrike. After this you have to add or subtract from the price based on condition. If it’s a perfect coin with great details and no scratches obviously it will be worth a lot more than something that may have chips, dings or scratches , jewelry marks, has been cleaned, or is worn down and may be missing actual gold content. A Normal circulated coin would be around $343+- usd today as an estimate . Kr

[@yodoleheehoo]

@@drdragonkick5251 thanks for the information :)

[@WEABRNC]

Did you say .90 finesse? Isn’t it .90 fineness?

[@drdragonkick5251]

Yup ha . I was reading a French coin guide and it definitely said finesse , but it was a typo .. fine ness is correct.

[@anthonyy9095]

Valeur d'anglais redonné nous no piece.

[@weiwei2811]

same for 100 F angel coin