What is the Meaning of Suffering?

[@Eternalised]

*"The meaninglessness of suffering, not the suffering, was the curse that lay over mankind so far."* - Nietzsche Become a Patron (exclusive content): www.patreon.com/eternalised KZbin Member (exclusive content): kzbin.info/door/qos1tl0RntucGGtPXNxkkAjoin Official Merch: eternalised.creator-spring.com Donate a Coffee: ko-fi.com/eternalised Access transcript and artwork gallery: eternalisedofficial.com/2021/09/03/the-meaning-of-suffering

[@siamihari8717]

Im going to answer before i watch the video or your series on meaning, feel free to disagree. But i must perserve an unaltered philosophy for matters of princible and debate. Suffering is joy reversed; Without joy there would be no sorrow as is the other way around. Compliments, two sides of the same coin. But meaning is found in the comicly large void of nothingness and pointlessness we find our universe to be. If nothing in reality gives meaning to itself, so it must be that meaning derides from you and you alone. Everything begins and ends with I, eye. In a scientific sence, your just magic space dust that represents the universe trying to solve itself.

[@AniSxuxu]

🖤

[@ws16-19]

@@siamihari8717 I think that it is exactly because the rarity of good in existence that good is valuable. Looking at things with similar lens as did the greek philosopher Heraclitus, opposites mutually make meaningful the existences of one another, that is why, for example, pain and pleasure need each other to exist, just like good and bad need each other to exist. Besides that, even if goodness is a rarity, "pain builds character", they say out there.

[@siamihari8717]

@@ws16-19 Opposites are linked. Think of such things as though they were a coin, everyone pays attention the the faces of the coin. Front or Back, Good or Evil, Morality in Black or White. While sitting with great importance yet ignored in majority, is the slim yet infinitely vast sliver of gray that links the two. Good and Evil are two faces to the same coin, as you or my Conscenness or Subconscennce, a more topical (funny) example Democrats and Republicans.

[@ws16-19]

@@siamihari8717 well same goes for the duality of the "ME" and the "NON-ME": the existences of both, mutually, gives meaning to the existences of one another.

[@mystiverse]

"There will always be rocks in the road ahead of us. They can be stumbling blocks or stepping stones." What an excellent quote that is, and what a fantastic video for it to be contained in. Well done man!

[@Eternalised]

Thank you my friend!

[@David-in4ft]

Eyyy mystiverse

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering is wonderful because it teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@landryflip3200]

💯

[@amansingh-sx7ry]

This channel is bringing clarity to people's life in midst of chaos and suffering. this guy is a real gem

[@satnamo]

De purpose of existence on spaceshipe earth is to kindle a light in das darkest of mere interbeing human because das world is such a wretched place; We ought to be wretched because we are wretched.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@Reality-Distortion]

@@jeffforsythe9514 We didn't have previous lives. Nobody on this world forced itself onto it and working under an axiom that we're privileged merely by being alive is nothing but arrogance. An assumption that we bear any obligation or responsibility on the day we are born is one of the most stupidly toxic ideals we've ever created.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@Reality-Distortion Gee, sounds like you have perfected it, thinking some thing and then trying to turn it into reality, keep practicing, maybe one day you will get it right. Yes, arrogance is obvious.

[@Reality-Distortion]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Says the guy who claims ANYONE who suffered greatly will say their hearts and spirits are cleaner. You're delusional.

[@WeAreAllOneNature]

3:17 ''One cannot have happiness without misery. Man's real life consists of opposites.'' (Jung). 3:51 ''Happiness and unhappiness are inseparable twins. They either grow together, or stay small together.'' 5:17 ''There will always be rocks in the road ahead of us. They can be stumbling blocks, or stepping stones.'' 13:25 ''We suffer, not as a punishment, but to become better and stronger.'' 13:56 ''Profound suffering makes one noble. A person who suffers well does not seek pity. He has reverence and faith in himself and his capabilities.'' 16:05 ''To live is to suffer. Embrace your fate. Want nothing to be different.''

[@satnamo]

Amen

[@raison3342]

thx

[@sriku1000]

A must watch on How to fill the emptiness inside you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJXag2mpi7eoos0

[@theresefournier3269]

YAHsome wisdom for all! 🔥❤️

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@nitsugaparodi8521]

"All the unhappiness of man has the same origin: Not being able to stay alone in his room with his thoughts" Pascal

[@satnamo]

All of humanity's suffering stems from man's incapacity to sit still and quiet in a room alone because they are sick of themselves.

[@anonymous-jp7bo]

damn straight! people be sleeping with hoes because they cant submit to em self, they straight up demon mode

[@48403]

Here in Finland, a lot of people like to go to the sauna and then take a swim in the cold lake. When doing that activity, anyone with a bit of observational ability notices that the hot sauna feels much better after the freezing cold lake. And also, the cold lake feels better after some uncomfortable heat in the sauna. So one can develop this appreciation for every moment of discomfort in the cold, and every moment of discomfort in the heat, because one knows that best thing is to embrace both.

[@NurseSnow2U]

Beautifully expressed. I’ve shared similar thoughts.

[@heekyungkim8147]

I suffer because I can’t find meaning in my suffering…. Love your work.

[@satnamo]

Me too

[@sriku1000]

A must watch on How to fill the emptiness inside you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJXag2mpi7eoos0

[@ws16-19]

I think that it is exactly because the rarity of good in existence that good is valuable. Looking at things with similar lens as did the greek philosopher Heraclitus, opposites mutually make meaningful the existences of one another, that is why, for example, pain and pleasure need each other to exist, just like good and bad need each other to exist. Besides that, even if goodness is a rarity, "pain builds character", they say out there.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@ws16-19]

@@jeffforsythe9514 I do not believe that supernatural beings care about our problems. Besides, a life without problems is a very boring, empty and meaningless life, that is also why eternal happiness does not make any sense.

[@shu2k]

"To live is to suffer. To survive is to find meaning in suffering." -Friedrich Nietzsche

[@satnamo]

To die But not to perish Is to be eternally present.

[@zedvood2882]

oh..I thought DMX said that lol

[@tigerlilysoma588]

Sounds good. I'm surviving my ass off

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@serenity748]

Dont think its possible to find meaning in suffering. Because states of consciousness in suffering dont generate "meaning" qualia. The goal is to find happiness

[@ernstjung6234]

There is a limit of suffering when it comes to the intensity one can endure until one mind's break

[@jeffforsythe9514]

That is when you faint. Otherwise, God does not give you more than you can take.

[@daleburrows2662]

​@@jeffforsythe9514 2 points 1) there is no god 2) You ever heard of insane asylums? Plenty of people end up getting more than their psyche can cope with

[@mila7809]

True. I am at that limit and there is no meaning to it. Before I was good for others and were happy joyful loving kind Now i am burden to anyone i talk to so i stopped talking and i am of no use to myself nor others. Will never see any good in it cant wait to die

[@clay6240]

⁠i have hope that you will find your meaning. great things to come in your life and that is for everyone. you must endure your hardships and understand them. your not alone. and you are of use, you just need to find it

[@raison3342]

it's been a long time that I learned how important is to embrace suffering and accepting sadness, because no one feels good if no one suffers. but now, I know better about this, thank you for this [and every single] incredible video!

[@ws16-19]

I think that it is exactly because the rarity of good in existence that good is valuable. Looking at things with similar lens as did the greek philosopher Heraclitus, opposites mutually make meaningful the existences of one another, that is why, for example, pain and pleasure need each other to exist, just like good and bad need each other to exist. Besides that, even if goodness is a rarity, "pain builds character", they say out there.

[@Pordurabo]

I've been spending lots of time in your channel, And I really appreciate you for this great help. Thiese videos effects really stronger than a typical conversation with therapist. Im so excited to find you here . And this video , makes my life forever and ever 🙏🏻❤️

[@SmithsCrhronicles]

In my humble experience suffering is The "I" (soul) alerting the "me" (current ego) that the neglected contents of the mind (unconscious) is ready to shed the baggage (only after the incorporating and learning is done) IF the "ME" is dedicated, courageous and disciplined enough to work in realigning with the "I" and the holy spirit... people will do anything to avoid facing the shadow self. The suffering is the guiding light. This i found out after undergoing unwanted suffering for many years. This beginner level of inner work i am speaking of will lead you to deal with the shadow self the ego is purified in the fire as it dies and another pheonix/ego upgraded with the skill set sufficient enough to just barely pass the next phase of your growth... the ego dies and rebirths it self many times throughout ones life...not that we ever paid attention right? well, until now.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Davlavi]

This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏

[@NyaLexar]

ive been obsessed with ur channel for over 2 months now. whenever i can i just put ur videos and listen. tysm

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jt11erink]

I really am so warm and grateful, this video is exactly what I feel. I can watch this in both ways. In recognition of deep leading and revelation of happiness. It has shaped me and made me stronger by making me weaker.

[@satnamo]

It is out of das deepest depth that das heightest must come to his height because humility is de foundation of greatness.

[@sriku1000]

A must watch on How to fill the emptiness inside you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJXag2mpi7eoos0

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@pwnzormcduck6546]

This was one of the videos my best friend shared last on his facebook page. He killed himself yesterday. Put a bullet through his brain, and he knew he had family and friends rooting for him. He just passed his pain down to us.

[@GenghisTron]

This resonates so heavily with the Berzerk manga. What a masterclass of philosophical projection that was showing all forms of suffering as it’s meaning

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@philipslimak5675]

Your channel is one of the best things I've found on the KZbin. Thank you for your work

[@danielparsons2859]

Suffering is suffering. It doesn't matter if you embrace suffering or try to avoid it.

[@heekyungkim8147]

Avoidance is not working…. Suffering always catches up with me.😎

[@landofw56]

yes

[@landofw56]

I agree

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@serenity748]

@@jeffforsythe9514 There is no evidence to support these claims. In fact, they seem unlikely. Naturalism + Evolution is supported by convergent scientific evidence. I am not a materialist however, I subscribe to non-materialist-physicalism as a theory of the nature of reality and consciousness.

[@glitcharcing]

Your videos truly describe my life (and that of others, of course). It’s amazing… Thank you.

[@andrewwebster5913]

I really enjoy these thematically styled videos! Great variation to your content!

[@Eternalised]

Thanks Andrew. I think it is a refreshing change as well!

[@juansolis1087]

Love, Light, Grace, Peace, Joy, Abundance and Health to all who read this. If you must suffer , may you suffer and grow. If you are suffering know that this to shall pass. If you have suffered, tell us your story of strength and hope so that we may put an end to our suffering. Thank you for this channel may it resonate forever on a higher frequency of enlightenment.

[@fabv6011]

Thank you

[@landofw56]

Thank you very much for your heartwarming words. If I could, I'd tell you so many things...

[@ws16-19]

I feel like letting you know a secret only a few people know: Absolutely NOTHING leasts forever, not even pain nor suffering, that means that everything can change for good, so keep moving on with hope, HOPE makes all efforts worth. I think that it is exactly because the rarity of good in existence that good is valuable. Looking at things with similar lens as did the greek philosopher Heraclitus, opposites mutually make meaningful the existences of one another, that is why, for example, pain and pleasure need each other to exist, just like good and bad need each other to exist. Besides that, even if goodness is a rarity, "pain builds character", they say out there.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@mtrisi]

Another wonderful video, thank you for sharing your knowledge. This really makes me want to start my copy of Man's Search for Meaning...

[@Eternalised]

You're welcome. I encourage you to read it, it's excellent.

[@SithSolomon]

To seek is to suffer. To suffer is part of the way. Pain is certain suffering is optional.

[@ElanMorin]

this contradicts itself. do better next time.

[@cibarra294]

Great Content! I really hope you grow big someday!

[@satnamo]

Indeed, A man can not survive without a ray of hope.

[@gibraltar0553]

I can't find meaning in my OCD and depression. If suffering and Joy are like twins, I just hope I will get to experience the opposite. OCD really feels like senseless suffering.

[@gakukilegrandgenerale2354]

You can create you own meaning . The same way Nietszche created his own .

[@jackmabel6067]

@@gakukilegrandgenerale2354 "The same way Nietszche created his own." Yes! He created his own in January, 1889! Long live Nietzsche!

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@athenamissinghome619]

Vitamin B1 helps OCD

[@bingflosby]

I have multiple sclerosis It has taught me a great deal of information and strength

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@FutureMindset]

The whole idea of heaven is something that humans have always looked towards because the desire for pleasure and bliss is embedded deeply into our psyche. When people looked at the world around them and knew that suffering was inevitable, they had to believe that their suffering would end up paying off, if not in this life, then at least in the next.

[@satnamo]

The kingdom of god is within me because only a dead man cannot breath in and know that I am breathing in- Not out. De eternal bliss of nirvana lies in de mind at rest. Be still and das whole universe will surrendered. Be still and know that I am god. God is in us- De author of our dream. Who is the interbeing that creates das wonder of dream When I am sleeping like a dead man ?

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

I agree to about 30%. We didn't make it this far by way of peace. That came after and the most inspected by war-blood. I can see bliss, but not without a price to pay with hurt and PTSD.

[@superkatarsis]

@@satnamo whazzup with the German?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@christinajohnson5790]

@@jeffforsythe9514 but things do work that way. Jesus literally canceled our debt. Died on the cross. Paid for our sin!

[@nouraharon3718]

The artworks in this video is amazing :’))💙

[@satnamo]

Art+congfu=de only way to salvation

[@danielvermeulen4433]

Thankyou dearly for this video, it put things into perspective for me.

[@Lalallalu]

✨STUNNING again, Eternalised ! ✨

[@theinfjgoyim5508]

Suffering when suffering isn't necessary or required but for whatever the situation is and is out of your precieved control and seems to have no end but to mereily continue so you can continue this suffering...yeah that's the good shit right there.

[@stendaalcartography3436]

Suffering is the currency of intelligent existence. To exist is to suffer. No one is exempt. If one turns away from suffering, it will possess you. So it's better to stand your ground and be ready to face it willfully.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@stendaalcartography3436]

@@jeffforsythe9514 No, that's incorrect. That sort of line of thinking is what makes one resentful as they'd feel entitled to some reward. That's too naïve. Sometimes, it's just pure, unadulterated suffering. Reward is luxury and by its definition, it is rare to extract "reward" out of suffering. Let's imagine young men dying in war in Ukraine. Refugees bombed to death. In such cases, what possible reward???

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@stendaalcartography3436 We all have been born here with black karma which, when it is removed through suffering, we feel enlightened. As for a horrible death, then blessings will be received in our next lifetime............................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).

[@soulcalibrehd]

That was a great endevour, great job!!Thanks 4 this video !

[@exilior2]

I love you man. Your videos are awesome. You're a really great comunicatxr. Cariños desde Argentina.

[@Имя-о9ъ]

I just don't feel much stronger after the suffering passed. I just glad that i made through it

[@anthraxanthrax4124]

each day is a moment of clarity.... I am 28....lost my son... life means.....life...live it. it comes and goes till it is no more.

[@alkaloitongbam6684]

Thanks for this, I really needed this ❤️

[@Aleister_Donny]

For me, suffering is and has been enlightenment.

[@Justineyedia]

"Rather than being void of purpose, man would make the void his purpose"

[@harshbhadauria7592]

Bro keep it up ♥️♥️ Loved all your videos.

[@elbuho1093]

I love your videos ✨ thanks

[@Anna-jr8gu]

Thank you for sharing with us ☺️

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@Magik1369]

Much suffering is unnecessary and is due to ignorance and unconsciousness. Suffering signals that something is wrong. Suffering is therefore the impetus for personal growth. The whole reason and purpose of us being here is to learn and grow. Facing and addressing one's suffering results in an expansion and growth of consciousness. Running away from and avoiding one's suffering is futile and leads to more suffering and ailments like addiction, mental illness, depression, etc.

[@Cardioid2035]

I fully intend to confront the biggest existential questions in the universe and dwell on them until I can ask updated questions through modern eyes to help bring humanity closure as to ‘why’ everything exists to begin with

[@ws16-19]

Existing to search for the meaning of your existence is, in itself, already a meaning to your existence. In another words, we exist to search for meaning for (our) existence, as if existence existed to understand itself.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Cardioid2035]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Whatever the reason is, it seems to live is to suffer.. I believe if we can one day fully understand who we are, what we are and why we’re consciously ‘here’ it would at least justify the suffrage we’re all forced to endure while still enabling us to learn from it. I think the only thing worse than suffering is suffering without a sense of purpose.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@Cardioid2035 The wonderful practice Falun Dafa answers many of life's great mysteries.

[@Cardioid2035]

@@jeffforsythe9514 I’ll look into that, thank you

[@fretnesbutke3233]

The Buddha is alleged to have said upon attaining Enlightenment,"How wonderous! Everything is exactly as it should be!".. that's noteworthy in light of "amor fati" and the Stoic love of fate in its entirety. There's some sweet spot in thought when we,in a fashion, accept the unacceptable. Samsara and Nirvana are one.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Buddha also said that enlightenment is two things, suffering and enlightenment. We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Bilboswaggins2077]

I feel to see how establishing Socialism would lead to the abolishment of suffering. If anything it would lead to the abolishment of worthless suffering you mentioned that gives no meaning like high rents, struggling to maintain your job and your house, struggling with your employers etc. For the creative types that Nietzsche so admired the struggle for the artist, existential malaise, and struggles with our personal lives would all be present under socialism

[@heekyungkim8147]

I agree with you in some ways. We suffer most of our life ,worries constantly about money to keep up with this hyper capitalism. And living cost is always going up, poor are getting more pure. Rich are getting ridiculous richer. Hyper Capitalism causes serious harm to masses of people i think…

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Ricky_Jacobos]

Suffering gives depth and substance to humans without suffering everyone will stay child like

[@12fskawof]

so breaking my foot is giving me meaning

[@Ricky_Jacobos]

@@12fskawof You can have your foot broken twice and still think you are meaningless. Don't let people define your meaning and worth you should define your own purpose in this life. Pain is essential. Remember, no pain no gain.

[@12fskawof]

@@Ricky_Jacobos gain what money haha

[@Ricky_Jacobos]

@@12fskawof I took up Animal Husbandry in the Farmville university and I finished it and Im proud I gain my success through suffering God damnit!

[@SuperFamiKing]

This channel is very profound 😊

[@gabrielleangelica1977]

It's not about detachment... it's about LEARNING!

[@louisejayne8669]

Its perspective its either suffering or it's an experience if growth depending on your mask or role you are playing. Its a game we do to ourselves we play out every character in the script.

[@SteveJones379]

First! now I'll listen :)

[@satnamo]

Das easiest way to get into a meditative state is by listening- Let my ears hear what ever they want to hear But without naming.

[@JustRed916]

Guys if you like this channel, you'll probably like presute of wonder too. Two best channel's on KZbin

[@htth3152]

Isn't finding meaning in suffering effectively alleviation of it though? You think that the pain you feel is not in vain, that it will pay off somehow, if not by making you happier then at least by making you more "noble" or "close to the truth" (which still ties up to happiness, because thinking highly of yourself feels good), and that gives you an island of comfort amid unpleasurable sensations. You find good bits in the bad situation and concentrate on those, convincing yourself that in the end the whole thing is good for you. Not to say that it doesn't work, scientific studies show definitely that meaning leads to happiness more consistently than external pleasures. But I'm not convinced one should embrace suffering because of that, at least not all. There's plenty of suffering that is not unavoidable, nor leads to any growth and compensation, and eliminating it would work much better at making life fulfilling than justifying it. Embracing works for suffering that can't be avoided, because really it is the only way to deal with it, but for the rest I just don't see it working.

[@htth3152]

I don't buy the greatness argument, to me it just kinda shifts the question. Why suffer? Because it makes you stronger and greater. Ok. Why be great? The answer could be because it makes you happier, but I'm not sure those who make this argument would agree. And not to mention that becoming great doesn't always do that.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Wisdom springs from suffering. We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@eddiedeangelis]

Indeed! The false premise of this video and the philosophy quotes it contains is that suffering is needed to shape you in a better way. But it's a dull generalisation of it and it just leads to self reassurance. In real life suffering turns people for the worse, is an undeniable fact. I like this channel but I'm not buying this.

[@seri4832]

Profound suffering... proud to have suffered... and made great by it... who knows how to suffer well is better

[@seri4832]

Meaninglessness of suffering is the curse and not suffering itself

[@seri4832]

Seeing suffering as meaningful... to consider it an enhancer... this is the higher men... taking as much respobsility as possible and relishing in the discomfort and not wallowing meaninglessly in the mire of comfort as the lower men does akin to a pig. The higher men is proud of his suffering, is improved by it and acknowledges the enhancement, sees meaning in suffering... lives a regretless life accepting everything it and fate... is proud of his capability

[@seri4832]

Suffering opens the door to abate and annihilate nihilism! Amor fati, if you are the ultimate noble man, accept genuinely and with pride the life as it is, was and will be in perfect detail wanting not a single oata to be different... all the uncontrollable factor leading to uncontrolled conditions nd situation accept it all

[@williamgreen8323]

It's the narrow path... ... Always find a positive in a negative.

[@n.ddrawings1865]

A masterpiece!

[@landofw56]

Words cannot defeat pain.

[@landofw56]

yes

[@jeffforsythe9514]

A kind word can work miracles. No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@landofw56]

@@jeffforsythe9514 no

[@Torgo1969]

"The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it; the iron cannot know why the fire scorches it. When thy life is cleft and scorched, when death and despair leap at thee, beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate, but thank The Builder for the trials that shape thee." - The Hammer Book of Tenets

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Torgo1969]

@@jeffforsythe9514 I don't know. My genetic disease has made me extremely hard and unkind to those among us whose problems are purely self-inflicted. But to people like me I am very empathetic. The experience has sharpened my judgment, for better or worse.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@Torgo1969 Many of the rewards of suffering are given in one's next lifetime.....................falundafa

[@phil2997]

Veey deep, great channel.

[@SatanasExMachina]

Exquisitely done.

[@serenity748]

There is a strong empirical connection between happiness and meaning. The happier you get, the more meaningful life becomes. Suffering on the other hand is devoid of meaning. One of the worst things about suffering is it's sheer emptiness and meaninglessness. We tell ourselves that suffering must have meaning, in order to justify it somehow, or make it seem less bad. But empirically, suffering simply has no meaning. Suffering is bad and there is nothing good about it. It has no meaning. We can however overcome suffering with biotechnology. (Much of my comment is from philosopher David Pearce)

[@satnamo]

Painful is birth. Painful is death. Painful is birth and death Over and over again.

[@sriku1000]

A must watch on How to fill the emptiness inside you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJXag2mpi7eoos0

[@albuicaioan9771]

U can t remove suffering and even if u could it would be stupid . Suffering has a meaning. To change is to suffer but in order to grow u must change and develop. Plus u said the happier u get the more meaningful life becomes. Yes i agree to some extent but how did ur life get happier in the first place ? .Trust me it got happier bcs u changed something like started a new diet a new hobby etc..Ur life didnt get happier just randomly.And to change is to suffer so must suffer first then u will be happier.Happiness and suffering are twins they must grow together or remain small together.

[@tenaciousdfan9]

"empirically, suffering simply has no meaning." I dont understand.....

[@RD-lt3ht]

I agree with you. I drew alot into my twenties, so much that my hand would cramp-up to the point of having to soak it in hot water for 10 minutes every hour while drawing -but I don't consider that and drawing practice to be suffering. It seems that the discomforts and time spent at an art/skill have been defined as "meaningful suffering" by the likes of Nietzsche and Jung, but I don't agree - to me it was meaningful HAPPINESS; the real suffering came during my Dysthymia, when I lost all pleasure in everything, and I didn't experience any hand/forearm cramps while I moped about. Both Nietzsche and Jung couldn't have known anything about neurotransmitters, so while they believed their words were objective, it was really just subjective blah blah blah from two guys who were lucky in the quality of their formative years.

[@HatefulStarseed]

Suffering 'can be' a profound teacher for some and an absolute destroyer for others. Depends on un-quantifiable things like 'soul lessons' and where one is at along the path of their 'souls journey' of learning. Ok, great, but when the body dies, you don't get to take any of it with you. Those lessons you suffered through, they were for the 'soul' and you were almost quite literally, just the 'crash test dummy', the experiencer, with the mind, the emotions, endocrine system (dosing us with potent chemicals) and the psychology, to experience the shock-n-awe of what it feeeeeeeeels like to be aliiiiiiiiive in this reality? Something like that? Think of the energy we are emitting when we are deeply suffering (loosh). That's another deep subject in and of itself.

[@mikec5603]

Suffering in the presence of someone who loves you and cares for you is a lot more bearable than suffering in loneliness.

[@miculp]

I find it you made a long video when this you can explain in 4 5 minutes. As a person suspected by schizotypal personality disorder I find this not new. But I see for others is helpfull

[@Ivan_1791]

This is fascinating.

[@richardkasper5822]

Christ suffered the most of all and did it with love.His mercy is unbending.His voluntary death but not by His own hand was the ultimate martyrdom.He didn't die for any other reason but divine love for all of mankind.It brings me to tears many times a day.And that's part of my own suffering but I'm learning to endure it knowing that it is a gift from God and not some philosophic fallacy.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@d33pLuM]

Pain is what the world does to u, suffering is what u do to yourself. Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional.

[@itzzzsss]

As we become adults, we should be able manage or avoid events or areas that may bring something that is of Suffering(s). Only the ones who seeks dysfunctional, living their lives too fast, in their lives will find it. But for the childrens, the adults must protect them and give guidance so they do not turn into something evil. I believe suffering either physical, mental, emotional, is going to bring a very bad upbringing

[@TheDhammaHub]

Sadly, suffering is a universal property

[@satnamo]

To suffer and die is your destiny. Now shoot each others with guns and cannons. And they do so

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

Nah. It's not sadness.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@shiangjeoushyu8586]

Both views of suffering, either as a punishment or a possibility for personal growth, leads to only one ultimate outcome, that is to make higher level human group stronger and fearless.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@shiangjeoushyu8586]

@@jeffforsythe9514 "Cleaner" is a value term... In other words, what did you mean by "CLEAN"?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@ws16-19]

02:46 - 03:22: I think that it is exactly because the rarity of good in existence that good is valuable. Looking at things with similar lens as did the greek philosopher Heraclitus, opposites mutually make meaningful the existences of one another, that is why, for example, pain and pleasure need each other to exist, just like good and bad need each other to exist. Besides that, even if goodness is a rarity, "pain builds character", they say out there.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@emperorfulgidus262]

Embrace suffering

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@dmtdreamz7706]

The most beautiful thing that there could ever be. I cannot describe to you how beautiful it is. The beauty of it is staggering. It's so beautiful you won't even care about suffering. It's so beautiful you won't care about the buddha. You won't care about christ. You won't care about any spiritual teachings. You won't care about non-duality. You won't care about arguing with people. You will not even care about other people being real because it's just so beautiful. What you are you're so beautiful. Reality is so beautiful. Consciousness is so beautiful. Truth is so beautiful. God is so beautiful that it is it's own reward. It's an infinite reward. It's the only thing you really want.

[@Elaphe472]

Beautiful fantasy. (Are you sincere?).

[@dmtdreamz7706]

@@Elaphe472 erasing erases the eraser

[@lifeisabadjoke5750]

Me robbing you at gun point is still beautiful? Reality is subjective

[@Elaphe472]

@@dmtdreamz7706 You are just babbling. Tell that to a child kidnaped by the pederast industry, a woman been raped to death, a man tortured because his political beliefs. Be real; you just play the mystical dude. ("Erasing erases the eraser"; is that "beautiful"?). (Do you see any "beauty" in what I'm saying? No, what I'm saying (you being an hypocryte) makes you angry. Is that anger 'beautiful"?).

[@timothyorner327]

There is no pride in self-righteous suicide. It’s the only mistake you don’t get to regret.

[@FactChitanda]

I find it odd that everywhere it is taken as a given that everybody knows what suffering is. So instead of really getting down to the bolts and nuts of suffering, we rather refer to it through its you could say, symptoms, and effects.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@mrg9759]

Thank you

[@siamihari8717]

If you seek purpose greater then oneself, look to mankind. Greatness is inherent to it. But take heed, greatness is not particularly goodness.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@dalehawkins-lw6rc]

(FACTS OVA FEELINGS). The Root of Suffering is ATTACHMENT

[@AYMANHANANB]

Thankyou for share✅👌indeed

[@philipslimak5675]

Had Nietzsche known actual happiness? What is happiness? Happiness in my opinion comes along with finding one's purpose. Some might argue that this is not an end-in-itself because this ends with a fruitless subjectivity but here I would argue that the ultimate purpose for everyone is spiritual experience. Something achieved by the hermits and monks from all the history, those whom Nietzsche disproved ridiculously falsely considering them nihilistic just because they have a value above life; those that challenge and defy death. For Nietzsche as it seems to me, the proper way of being for people is to fear death, for this is something that valuing life inevitably ends up with. I would even argue that it is impossible to consciously value life because it is just a sum of some animalistic responses and desires only misleading us and undermining our potential, it is rather something that CONTROLS US rather than we control and perceive or receive it. A hermit would despise his own life to achieve a state of enlightenment, and that does not lead him to mistreating the whole phenomenon of life - by doing that, what I call the self-detachment, he manages to contemplate and comprehend it widely and wholly, to see it as a separate, concrete phenomenon in all of its vastness. The reason for this misconduct is probably in that Nietzsche himself haven't engaged in spiritual practices that much, or he betrayed them with his earthly passions and stayed true to them out of his own weakness. One of these passions was his very passion for philosophy, for thinking. In the higher states of spiritual practice or experience the state is being achieved in which all of the notions of needs are being turned upside down. We stop treating needs as something fatalistically inherent to us, instead we learn to understand them as something that is imbided on us by structures of power. This is the only way for us to gain power over ourselves, and this at the same time is no longer "us" as by doing that we give in to the stream of time fully and wholeheartedly without leaving a chance for our ego to show its teeth. One might just sit and meditate, or pray, without rest, without eating and drinking, having switched to breatharianism, or even starve his perishable flesh to death and meet death of his own body with a clearest conscience and mind, with deepest and most profound happiness, as by doing that he is being purged, he's being washed off from any sins. Nietzsche mistakenly likened this to the process of destruction because he gave in to his malevolent animalistic nature. That's why he ended up in asylum basically. This Nietzschean valuation of life is profoundly vicious at its core as it offers merely serving one's desires and passions. The one who valuates suffering is merely a masochist. It is impossible to not find happiness in a profound spiritual experience and it is impossible not to value this happiness over anything if one's spiritual awakening occurs. What makes a man great? Is it obedience to the social hierarchy and prejudices which makes him climb onto the former? But is really a man who achieved everything that great? He merely succumbed to the predestined and unconsciously perceived notions of the due. He chose not to question anything significant. Or is he the one who defies all templates of meaningful life? The one who casts aside all of the preconceptions, who chooses to live in unending intellectual and spiritual discovery? Those who devalue notions of the sin and indulge in the substitution of concepts in order to institutionalize their vices only play with illusions, they will never save themselves if they will continue following that path. Sadly Nietzsche was a part of that. What he wrote about that in his lines about the notions of suffering being ought to divert and see it not as a punishment but as a motivation to become "stronger". This is a great example of that. The one who stays true to suffering only gives in to his weakness. He's stricken by greed, arrogance and pride, even by the jealousy towards the great, and the proponent of this sinful path will continue to stubbornly disprove these notions because of what he sees as their ascetic core origins. By keeping doing that they will only continue to bury themselves in the dirt of self-delusion. Whereas the one who stays away from suffering does this not because he fears or avoids it, he comes out of the understanding of its ugliness and insignificance. He's turned by the beauty he witnesses. For the one that does it there is no way back. Nietzsche's pessimism as it seems to me was defined by a false and incomplete understanding of the idea of death. For him, death apparently was the end of us all, the ultimate end, the final curtain blackening out our consciousness. But there is a countless evidence of the other side of this idea. People whose consciousness fell close to the idea of death because of the physiological condition of their bodies and who saw something during those defining moments. With that being said, had Nietzsche really known suffering? I think if he'd known real and profound suffering he would have never ended up valuating it, preaching for it. To suffer is to be locked up in a circle of vanity, of reachlessness and desperation. How can this be any good? My mistake might have lied in the moment where I connected spiritual experience to happiness. Despite I, based on my own experience, from the perspective of my memory, nevertheless connect them to each other, in reality, e.g. in the feelings that are being experienced in the real time, they may have a little to do with each other. We tend to associate happiness with joy, whereas joy defines suffering. Suffering (pain) is the price for joy (for pleasure). And joy (pleasure) is an attempt to escape suffering (pain). (Shopenhauer also wrote about this, but he, somewhat like Nietzsche, ended up masochistically and two-facedly valuating pain.) This is what circle of suffering is. And in reality in a spiritual experience all of these feelings are being flaked off us as something perishable, ugly, vain and insignificant. But nevertheless, once again, I associate my spiritual experience with highest amount of happiness despite I had neither pain nor joy in those times - just because I never knew anything higher.

[@gen-x-zeke8446]

"Nobody knows I exist, and I don't fret"- Willi (2021)

[@matheusfrota95]

Thanks !!!

[@pete8234]

Suffering is necessary to force you into doing the right thing which alleviates the suffering.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@frankcafarella3400]

Another superb video! Could you cite the paintings that are used in the video also?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@BasharJbeil]

If you shift your perspective on suffering, suffering will change and you will be freed from it, and it will go from being meaningless, to looking at it for what it is, as an opportunity and a lesson to make you develop and become a stronger person in your life. And you get to know your true self more.

[@tigerlilysoma588]

The Story of Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane is similar in meaning it seems to me

[@landofw56]

Pain is vain.

[@landofw56]

yes

[@user-abused-confused]

The purpose for the suffering is because we are spirit beings enprisoned in a perpetually decaying body that keeps us separated from from our spirit. The order is not without disorder, causation that affects order affects all disorder. Suffer now rest peacefully later, living without suffering is dying in agony, suffering life is dying to be unified with life as it truly is in peace and happiness. We all have caused suffering in life so in death we suffer now. Accept accountability for that which we've once caused allows death to be lived in a neutral state

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@satnamo]

To live is to suffer. To die is to perish. To survive is to find meaning in suffering. The meaning of life lies in whatever I am doing in order to not committed suicide because suicide is a cowardly act. The way to bring meaning into my life is to devote myself to loving others; And be of service to my community and people I love. Love is a friendship inspires by beauty and truth; And sustains by loving kindness. De rule of friendship means that there must be a mutual understanding between them: Each supplying what the other lacks And trying to benefit the other- Always using sincere and friendly words. Therefore, de expression of love must be kind and gentle- Not some diamonds in das sky. Have I ever seen a real congfu master fall from das sky ?

[@heekyungkim8147]

Really nice saying.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Imaginathor-1k0]

The meaning of suffering is to make us feel tortured, to make us feel like shit, to make us feel more alive, to make us pure, to make us humble, to make us desire for love n compassion, to make us desire for freedom, to make us desire for death

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering is wonderful because it teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@MisterDaviso452]

English needs a way to distinguish suffering you choose, such as watching tragedies or exercising, versus suffering you do not choose, such as abusive parents or oppression. Both can have meaning, but the former is good while the latter is evil.

[@jeremiahfielding283]

I can't even suffer correctly

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Like everyone, you need a great teacher. No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@parlormusic1885]

You have to be careful. Yes, suffering in life is unavoidable, but thinking that suffering is necessary for meaning or growth is a mistake. Running up a mountain makes a person stronger, but this doesn’t mean that mountains are necessary for strength training. Embracing suffering unconditionally trivializes it. Nietzsche made this mistake. He thought that massive suffering by many people was worth it if it produces a single person who rose above it. Apply that reasoning to prescribing drugs. If we gave a million people a drug and one person survived while the others suffered horribly and died, would you consider the drug viable? It’s just as likely that had no drug been given that person would have survived anyway without all the suffering entailed by giving the drug.

[@matthewmclellan7792]

@Eternalised Would you be interested in creating an explanation video on "The Origins and History of Consciousness" by Erich Neumann?

[@Eternalised]

Certainly is in my interests to study more analytical psychology, I'll have to read Neumann in the near future.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We all suffer to repay our sins, committed in previous lives . Everyone gets what they deserve. If God removed our suffering it would be the as if Visa cancelled your debt, things do not work that way and nobody wants charity. Ask anyone who has suffered greatly and they will tell you that their hearts and spirits are cleaner. God is not happy when we sin nor when we suffer but He gave us free will and He gave us His Commandments to guide us. Just my understanding. falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@Dollartrumpsign]

Seems like being the absurd hero isn’t so bad but suicide is getting more and more optional to me I honestly don’t know why, am I the only one who thinks this way?

[@stepper6643]

I dread being sick

[@ettanina2524]

Hey yo it’s crazy that this vid has such a low video count just shows that everyone runs away from pain nobody wants to know about pain that’s why we can never get to know our true self

[@pullingthestrings5233]

I feel more at home when the grip of suffering has a grip around my neck.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No amount of suffering goes unrewarded. Suffering teaches us kindness....................falundafa

[@ashkansnake]

The idea that Nietzsche attributed the inability to find meaning to a predetermined inherent lack of physical and mental capacity to "suffer well", contradicts the earlier criticism of the ascetic priest's false accusation of one being their own source of suffering. This black-pill-style interpretation can cause shame which is worse than the guilt religions tend to cause.