Golden Sun Saga

[@randominternetuser5872]

I loved the fact that they made this, They could have just used plain wall of text or nothing at all. Yet, they spend time on drawing, and even replaying the original Golden sun theme. It shows that the devs really cared about this game and want it to be the best game they could make

[@fuufuu164]

You know the funny thing is they actually did both. Massive wall of text at the beginning retell the entire story then the sun sagas

[@marr3195]

Too bad dark dawn sucks but i love the first two releases with all my heart

[@annie_ixpy]

"They walked into a trap"...Yeah it looks to me like Mia pushed Garet off thin air.

[@XstickbuddyX]

"and then Mia snapped and fucking pushed Garet off a cliff"

[@Last4xis]

Paper Sun. I'd buy it.

[@BaihuMoon]

9 years later, I agree with this comment

[@tristanmejia3005]

10 years later, I agree with this comment

[@wouter.d.h.]

Golden Paper sounds better

[@reddokun]

I find this version of the main theme... quite relaxing. And well, re-watching the whole Golden Sun story was... sweet.

[@stray1357]

It belongs in a museum!

[@ProfessorVitale]

This has always been one of my favorite stories and games. I wish there was a book series following the lore and maybe filling some gaps. I'm sure the writers had a lot more to tell, even if they already fit a huge amount into the games. Seriously, such an amazing story. And I know they make Felix to look like a bad guy. But I just like to think of these story books as our modern history. Many heroes have done a lot for man kind where we have painted their stories as bad. Just like in weyard it would almost be inevitable to take a person and not be able to see their justifications for their actions. I doubt in that world many people would have really known the whole story of how their world was saved.

[@joegreen3802]

It only paints him as a bad guy in the first two volumes. After that, he is painted as a good guy.

[@t_l_castrellon]

I love how in the end it said "Now a new generation shall live its own legend!". I don't know why, but I think it gives a sort of nostalgic feeling to it.

[@joegreen3802]

I fail to see how these books make Felix such a villain. Sure at the beginning they do since it's told through Isaac's perspective, but after that, it mentions how he slayed the Great Serpent and saved a village, gave a thrashing to Briggs and then save Isaac at the Jupiter Lighthouse. What a villain. (-_-) Does it cut stuff out, yes but it was just a small little novelty to abridge what happened in the last two games for anyone who didn't play them. Dark Dawn was my first GS game and when I first went through these Sun Saga's, I never got the impression that Felix was a villain.

[@MrPSaun]

It's because he wasn't. It was always intended that Golden Sun Book I + II were one massive game. If you pay attention, in Book I Issac's goals are made out to be virtuous, but in Book II it comes to light that Felix's goals are prehaps in the right. In either case the world changes drastically. People shit on the Golden Sun games for being wordy, and that's true, but the lore is so good. That moral greyness that the first two games nail, is something to be lauded. P.S. Fuck Dark Dawn. Decent game, but also a letdown.

[@joegreen3802]

@@MrPSaun I'm well aware of that. I was saying that I fail to understand why so many fans think this sun saga makes Felix come off as a bad guy. As for Dark Dawn, after I've played all three Golden Sun games, yes it is a bit of a let down, but I still rather enjoy it.

[@MrPSaun]

@@joegreen3802 I can't say, because Felix is not a villain. His role in Golden Sun was villain, but by Book II his role was hero. This is the dichotomy upon which the entire story plays on.

[@fullanalysis93]

What struggles did the Ancients go through in order to seal the power of Alchemy? There is another game there -- a prequel has potential.

[@elcambiollego]

The whole Alchemy in its full glory and how the lighthouses were turned off and then the stars being sealed in Vale just blows my mind to this day. The Wise One was there so it sure had to be A LOT of drama plot twists with the rocky troll.

[@18idlesuggest]

That's actually an awesome idea, I mean we got the original, and the sequel, now just a prequel would make it all complete

[@Viktorvelat95]

Marcus Aurelius Amen, as a GS fan I have been saying the same!! Also the sequel is not complete either, so both prequels and sequels to GS1 and GS TLA have a huge potential, while Dark Dawn has to be remade or considered non canon, that would fix things immediately

[@TheSecularMinority]

I've actually been writing a fanfic that addresses this issue. What the world was like before Alchemy was sealed and how it happened!

[@derpboyzero7669]

The saga books could be more objective considering the Proxian people had a motive to rekindle the lighthouses. But I guess the game did count on you to try the previous two installments, so they may have avoided spoilers. But it would be nice to have the official Sun Saga to retell everything, even if it might be long, like an additional treasure after beating Dullahan. There was nothing in the middle path when going for the Charon tablet and Dullahan fight and Iris summon; I don't see why not as an extra, final revision of the original Sun Saga to have everything recapped with nothing missing.

[@BoydTheMilkmanX]

+Derpboy Zero Pretty much because this game likely wasn't intended to be Golden Sun in the first place. It's more likely that Dark Dawn was a project that was scrapped half way, and repurposed to gain sales based off of the Golden Sun fans, which would make sense considering very little in the game actually resembles anything from the original two. The reason for the massive changes in Weyard make little sense, nor do the addition of new Light Houses. I personally don't even consider it cannon.

[@isaac3000]

+BoydTheMilkmanX I disagree. I know it is hard sometimes to accept Dark Dawn, but it was intended as a Golden Sun game, think of it as the Broken Seal without The Lost Age, see? GS1 and GS3 do not make much sense without their sequel. Hopefully GS4 (if it ever happens) will give a proper closure to Dark Dawn, and the Dark Dawn hate will end. As for the Topography changes, the Golden Sun did it. In a Fictional World, with the ultimate power being the Golden Sun, it makes perfectly sense, for this world, that it's ultimate power can do all that to the world, and the Luna Lighthouse, was under the earth, some ruins were above, those ruins did the beastmen choose to rebuild their nation. Why these Ruins never were seen in GS1? Not everything had to be shown. Did Camelot think ahead that time? Maybe, an old man in Garoh talks about Were people outside Osenia...sounds familiar? For me too. And when you play GS4 you have to know DD's plot, so do not loose your hope and trust in DD. I try to trust in it's plot!!

[@BoydTheMilkmanX]

isaac3002 Golden Sun 1 and 2 both give you a full refresher of what happened in each. You don't need to play either game to fully know what is happening in the other. Dark Dawn on the other hand, you also don't need to have played the previous games because most of what it does is trash the established lore of 1 & 2. In fact it gets rid of pretty much everything from the original game. It's wishful thinking that a fourth game will somehow make all the massive problems in DD just go away. A game shouldn't need a sequel to make it a decent installment in the series.

[@goldsmith8502]

I never liked how Vale trashed Felix and treated him as an outcast when he was obviously the real hero all along. Sure I like Isaac as a character, but he didn't deserve to be exalted as much as he was. Felix just sort of disappeared.

[@AnotherGenericGamingChannel]

The Goldsmith yeah but can you really blame them when it was their duty to stop the golden sun, they just didn't know it would save the world, nor did the rest of the world know other than prox and the warriors of vale

[@goldsmith8502]

Jebus Gaming Well I know that, but even after it DID save the world, he was still shunned

[@AnotherGenericGamingChannel]

The Goldsmith Yeah I guess it's because it impacted everybody, some badly, when for them it looked like the world wasn't dying because they wasn't on the edge like Prox.

[@hendrikkranen662]

Jake Smith well here is the thing issac and co. Did help a lot of people out and from an outsider perspective it looked like that felix helped some questionable people like a pirate crew or that clan of tribal bandits

[@Poppi_QT]

This always makes me think back to the very first Paper Mario...

[@wedasantika6079]

I thought in TLA Felix encountered Brigg first before Serpent. He even had neither Piers and the ship with him before he kicked Brigg's ass, leading to free Piers as well as got the ship, therefore couldn't reach Gaia's Rock where the Serpent lies until then.

[@bltwithoutthebacon]

This is such a beautiful video! Thank you.

[@ForeignWerewolf]

thanks for making this video, i forgot the 3rd book in the passaj and was very sad because i couldnt see the whole saga, thanks again =)

[@gianmariaroza6084]

I cannot belive that have been passed almost 10 years since the last GS. Nostaglia is hitting so hard. Sadness too. It maybe wasn't a perfect saga, but the uniqueness and originality (despite some common themes with other luckier game sagas) made this game amazing and unforgettable.

[@Banim]

It was a very nice recap :) Although it does leave out very important details (a few examples... Isaac and the Mars Star, his and Felix's parents, and last but not least, Alex...). I wonder if they did this purposefully though.

[@isaac3000]

Felix is a Hero one of a Kind, he differs from the typical Formula of a Hero, he does what he can to save the world, and in the end, Isaac gains the power not Felix, given tha fact that Isaac had a wrong view over things!! I prefer Isaac over Felix anytime, but Felix is just the misunderstood guy...

[@gcj17]

I know this comment is five years old and you probably don't care anymore, but remember at the end, it wasn't only Isaac who got powers from the Golden Sun, all the other warriors also got powers such as a longer life span and an increase to their psynergy powers, Kraden included. What happened was that a portion of the energy was stored in the Mars Star, therefore the power they got was thanks to it unleashing into them by the Star lighting up, or all the star did was boost the powers they would've gotten, that's what prevented Alex from gaining absolute power

[@shinshin3133]

Beatiful.

[@shamanz3943]

It's almost a Metaphor for every Religion and Lore we have IRL. The 4 directions, 4 elements , the lighthouses and their guardians.

[@RyukaValis]

It's intended to the story to be somewhat uncorrect, I say the developers didn't want to spoil mayor for the new players( Just incase they want to play the old games sometime in the future, I'm probably wrong though, I'm not a developer..) And it's like this, When you tell a tale, Even if it's correct someone will always tell something different to other people, Who'll then tell their version of what they've heard, ETC ETC. I love Golden Sun though! :D

[@andrewsukovich3079]

yeah lets just make Felix out to be an asshole when Saturos, Menardi and Felix were the real heroes the whole time

[@heirtothethrone4343]

And agatio and karst

[@lordgiles1841]

Andrew Sukovich they are assholes.

[@joegreen3802]

No it doesn't. It shows Felix as a hero in the end.

[@ForeignWerewolf]

@@heirtothethrone4343 nah, agatio and karst were actually bad i think

[@ElToland]

The background chimes remind me a little of the "music" in the intro of Yoshi's Island (SNES) =)

[@x3MaChanx3]

@SocioPathNinjaNZ thanks for the answer, sorry for the lacking description on my part... i meant alex. here it sais alex is mias cousin, however in the german version it states that he is her brother... which is why im kinda confused now :/

[@shogungari]

An archaic retelling of a historical event that changes the world used the word "duped?"

[@LEGOMANIAC419]

Why the bloddy 'ell is Felix being treated like a freaking villain?!

[@Sidtheriser07]

Considering all of this, Golden Sun is a unique franchise because, in the first part, we play as villains (technically), and then join forces with the alleged villain!

[@ZeratheWolf]

He's her cousin. It was just A translation error in the german version.

[@masterhadi77]

i say its her cousin. and more like just from the same tribe, so a distant cousin.

[@TheRealBowser]

@shogungari This is essentially just a story book. Not a history book.

[@isaac3000]

Because this is the way of a Story, being told from Generation to Generation...Facts are geting lost, things are twisted and after many many years, the warriors of Vale will be nothing more but a legend(I mean Fairytail)...it is the natural way...the People who wrote those books werent together with the W.o.V. they wrote down what they heard..I like it that Camelot decided to make the Sun Sagas like this!!(It bothers me too, to be honest, but I prefer it this way!!)!!

[@troloinkto]

Why Babi died... :( he was a good character

[@rookiewarrior6419]

troloinkto No he wasn't. He might even be worse than Satorus and Menardi.

[@troloinkto]

Rookiewarrior64 i said as a character, not as a person

[@heirtothethrone4343]

+Rookiewarrior64 but saturos and menardi were trying to save the world they weren't evil characters

[@darthdrake3095]

he "sent" minors to get him magical booze so he could contiue being a king.

[@pmoney832]

Do parts of this tune sound like "fly me to the moon?"

[@isaac3000]

+Anthony Percival Did you recently watch Evangelion?XD

[@pmoney832]

Nope

[@isaac3000]

XD just asked, but I can't hear Fly me to the Moon inside this tune to be honest...

[@mvShooting]

+Anthony Percival Yeah, I identify some notes, but it's the same part of Vale's theme.

[@gcj17]

Look up Vale's theme, there is a part that is indeed very similar to Fly Me to the Moon

[@isaac3000]

It makes more sense like this anyway!! Mia would Freak out way worse than she already did in TLA!!

[@TharosTheDragon]

These storybooks annoy me, along with how everyone reveres you for being the children of "The Warriors of Vale." What the saga books and the training grounds gloss over is how the 4 legendary heroes spent most of their journey trying to STOP the Golden Sun. That is to say, Isaac's party may have done more harm than good by unknowingly attempting to bring about the end of the world.

[@furyberserk]

+Kyle Delaney Allowing one to go off was okay, but allowing 2 was already to begin the destruction of the world, and unless they light all for by that time, the world would have been guaranteed destruction, or guaranteed renewal, with or without the survivors. At a point, they had no choice on what to do.

[@TharosTheDragon]

I don't think you're understanding me. Felix's party was trying to save the world by lighting the lighthouses. Isaac's party, up until the end, was unwittingly trying to stop that from happening.

[@joegreen3802]

@@TharosTheDragon And allowed Alex to help them who was after power for himself. Felix made mistakes too.

[@kian0711]

@Sylence777 Are you sure, i think that the producers would have known

[@autumnshinespark]

How they gonna call everyone the Warriors of Vale when half of them aren't even FROM Vale...

[@RyukaValis]

@xAzureIzumix Major* WOW Mayor XD oops that's what happens when it's late. >.<

[@Atstyle]

@TheRealBowser not really what make you think they are brother?, i mean in the old gs we didn't even knew they were family related all we knew was that they came from same clan and knew each other such that at first i thought mia loved alex.

[@ForumArcade]

@kian0711 Yes, I believe it was said by eith Mia Alex or that creepy old sick couple at some point.

[@wasneeplus]

I must say I'm kind of disappointed by this recap, since it left out so many things. But still, it was nice of them to include it.

[@Poop-dc5go]

Y they didn’t mention the wise one’s cruelty tho

[@SkymanplayzGacha]

This help me so much as a kid playing through dark dawn😎

[@SocioPathNinjaNZ]

@x3MaChanx3 felix is jenna's brother

[@isaac3000]

This!! And Alex means=The protector or something(I feel ashamed i am greek and dont know ist accurate meaning..) which makes sense for him!!!Sneaky Camelot!!!

[@isaac3000]

So is Alex Mias Brother or Cousin?The german version says that he is her brother but the english says he is her cousin, what does the japanese one say??

[@heirtothethrone4343]

Cousin German version had a translation error

[@18idlesuggest]

You didn't really cover much on TLA though.. Kinda disappointing. Like not even a mention of Piers or King Hydros But still great video and storytelling

[@gcj17]

Um, this wasn't made by the uploader. This are a series of cutscenes that appear in Golden Sun Dark Dawn after you collect a series of Books, each having their own cutscene that tells a little part of the story. Much of The Lost Age wasn't covered, that's true, but all OP did here was put all the cutscenes in a single video for easy viewing

[@Pwrplus5]

Storybook setting or not there's no reason to absolutely trash Felix in these stories and act like Isaac was some kind of perfect hero or even that he was the leader of the group that saved the world, and relegating Saturos and Menardi to 'strange warriors from the north' and acting like they just appeared out of nowhere is horrible. No excuses for this kind of stuff.

[@MrJoBilly]

+Pwrplus5 Maybe there's some biased stuff going on in the series. Maybe it'll get addressed in GS4... if it will never come out eventually :D. Like Stuff getting swooped under the carpet, stuff twisted around and such. Like our History sometimes... or North Korea.

[@BladeOfLight16]

+Pwrplus5 What? This is just a telling from Isaac's point of view. That's exactly what he and his group thought about Felix until they join forces. And there's no suggestion Isaac was "the leader" of the combined group. He clearly _was_ the leader of the original four. But that didn't really carry over once they joined forces, and it's not portrayed the way here. And there's no suggestion of Isaac being "perfect" either. Obviously, since he was on the wrong side in the beginning. And I don't care _what_ the Mars Clan's goal was; Saturos and Menardi _were_ strange warriors. It escapes me now, but I recall some dialog suggesting they weren't even necessarily working to further the Mars Clan's goals. And even ignoring all that, again, this is told from Isaac's point of view, and that's exactly what they were to his knowledge.

[@glitchie2133]

+Pwrplus5 Isaac had good intentions, and a pure heart, what he didn't know was that he was letting the world crumble away.

[@BladeOfLight16]

+NytroXGaming On top of that, he _aided_ in lighting the lighthouses once he found out.

[@Terestrasz]

+Pwrplus5 Consider that in-universe it's told from the perspective of Isaac. Who... is no saint.

[@kikai1187]

ピカードの出番少ないな

[@redsblackipod]

@DarkAlex99100 NO! THAT´S A LIE! IT´S IMPOSSIBLE!!! Siriously, I thought that the were just people who knew each other

[@Mikakitten1724]

are there only 5 sun saga books?

[@AzumiArya]

The 2 Protagonist vs 4 S*it Antagonist, Well... Good Job To The Paper Mario Animation :)

[@Atstyle]

@Atstyle siblings*

[@GoldenJoe]

I wonder if the bit with Alex is a mistranslation or retcon. Golden Sun portrayed him as the apprentice of Mia's father, and Alex's dialog in both GBA games heavily suggested that he had feelings for her (especially the mind read at Jupiter Lighthouse).

[@isaac3000]

Hahaha indeed it Looks that way!!!

[@HeroKid55]

@darknumber000 Poor Mia... Alex just did it for the thrills of alecmy...

[@LoboRaptorLo]

But they haven't talk about the Doom Dragon... Come back here and told it by adding it to the story… lol and spoilers

[@OnlyPassingHere]

Strange, in the German version of Dark Dawn, Alex is said to be Mia's brother instead of her cousin. Is this some translation error?

[@Senatedefender]

The third book is pathetic to compare with the first two...

[@ForeignWerewolf]

i missed the 3rd one xD

[@njwcagle]

I tried to like this but it destroys all of the character depth and plot intricacy that the previous two games had established. This is just painful to watch. If you haven't played the first two games, they are miles above Dark Dawn. At least Sakuraba still nails the music.

[@SPXCTRESOUL]

How so? Dark Dawn goes quite in-depth in plot and character. It is still a great game nonetheless. It also lays down the foundations for the potential Golden Sun 4.

[@njwcagle]

@@SPXCTRESOUL The game itself is fine as a standalone game. And I'm glad people enjoyed it. But I did not. After waiting ten years for a sequel, it was not nearly as good as it could have been. I had a problem with the whole remaking of the map and all these new "ancient" cultures. Yes some carried over but there were suddenly way too many people. The original map had so much depth and lore that was thrown away and never gone into more depth. I have so many unanswered questions. I get why they did what they did, but I don't think it made it a great game. Not anywhere near on par with the originals. Most of the original team was gone anyway. So it just felt half-assed.

[@njwcagle]

Also this synopsis in particular doesn't do any justice to the intricacies of the previous two games. My comment was more about this summary and how it breezes over the depth of character with the Proxian struggle on the edge and doing what they could to save their village. Not because they were bad guys to be bad.

[@SPXCTRESOUL]

@@njwcagle That's fair enough. It definitely could have been better. I respect your opinion.

[@njwcagle]

@@SPXCTRESOUL I will say that the artwork, character design, and music are all well done. It has plenty of merits and I'm glad they made it. Thanks for the reply!

[@x3MaChanx3]

..huh??? okay. the translations are messed up. i my german version it said he was her brother... Ô_o ..he is the cousin...or is he her brother?? gosh now this got me confuzzled Oo

[@TheRealBowser]

You need to realize that this is a story book, and it is intentionally inaccurate. Alex is Mia's brother.

[@ForumArcade]

Ummm, Alex is Mia's brother. Haha.

[@edweenxd6664]

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