GOOD vs BAD Photographers

[@joelbrand9731]

There are way too much inaccurate generalizations with this video. I have been a professional photographer for over 40 years (started with film) and many pros will use a short zoom because it allows for great bokeh. Also it is totally false that pros need to use flash outdoors or they are unprofessional, there is nothing wrong with shooting natural light. I frequently do outdoor photography with natural light using a reflector and/or screen because capturing how the natural light reflects on the subject creates depth and warmth. While fill flash outdoors can be helpful it can also detract from the way light naturally falls on the subject. And a great professional photographer knows how to shape that natural light to enhance the subject. Personally, I think many amateurs use flash outdoors because they lack the experience and knowledge to shape natural light. If I use flash outdoors it is gelled for daylight for accurate color balance, and only used when natural light is lacking or the sun is in a bad position. And shooting manual has nothing to do with being a pro. There are times I shoot aperture priority because I want a certain depth of field, or I'm looking for great bokeh. I might shoot shutter priority because the wind is blowing trees or I need to stop action of blowing hair. Or I might have a client sitting by a creek and I want a long shutter speed to capture the flowing water. What the video doesn't mention is that great professionals know how to make the photo in camera, rather than relying on retouching software for the final print. I suspect that 99% of photographers that call themselves pros have no idea how to use the zone system to establish exposure. And there are plenty of bonafide pros that farm out their retouching or have assistants do it because they are just too busy to spend time after every shoot. And as a pro, in my studio, I typically work alone. I have the studio set up ready before the client arrives and make final lighting and custom white balance adjustments while posing. I don't have time to tell an assistant what i'm trying to create and it is faster and more efficient for me to make the adjustments than explain what's in my head. The biggest problem facing professional photographer is there are people that think they can make money with KZbin videos giving out incorrect information. I got the link to this video from a professional photography group that thought your info was inaccurate. I agree. Are you actually a professional photographer or an expert on professional photography? Because this channel has advice on how to model, how to start a clothing brand, how to select a talent agent, and fitness videos.

[@JulsToPete]

thank you. You basically put the words to my thoughts going through this video. I think the intent here is to give advice to fellow models how to avoid bad photographers - but there is a lack of understanding on the actual craft.

[@prolayterryat]

The problem with statements such as these, there are always exceptions. For example pros use zooms all the time, 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 are workhorse lenses in the industry, primes don’t make you a pro, it’s just gear.

[@snayemdubu2988]

😂😂😂They are just guys who have Cameras not photographers..

[@MathieuPy]

Distinction between pro and amateur photographer is kind of a troll...

[@markthomas1811]

I am normally fairly positive in my comments here on KZbin (in the rare occasions when I do comment). But I have to chime in here and say this video is about 99% uninformed crap. The producer is obviously speaking more as a model, and not as a professional photographer himself. Professional photogs will always shoot in manual? Always use lights? Always have an assistant? Always use primes? What a bunch of hooey.

[@ExploreCreateCapture]

Super video really well made🔥🔥

[@FreshPepper]

Thank you

[@smartadebayo5404]

Nice one but not agree with all. Its your opinion on how to distinguish pro from amateur though. Professional skills deals with time which is as a result of gradual process in learning and in the business as well. At the moment * I don't own a website. * I do have BASIC charge to all types of photography a potential might request for. * I own series of lights, strobes for both indoor and outdoor yet i still prefer natural light more. artificial light do distort color and am sure u do own f1.8 lens maybe for HSS. * In regards to lens, its not all about been amateur or professional. your type of photography will always determine the type of lens to invest in. for example i don't need a macro lens because am not into that. * I do few projects due to my human resources and energy so as to deliver real good images to all my client and i do retouch on my own. * i do shoot raw at all time except on few occasions if need to deliver jpeg images to the client which is always good straight from the camera. * Can u really shoot manual mode if u are contracted to shoot sport? Now, my opinion, kindly put up a video to educate the so called amateurs to be a better person in photography because am sure you don't just grow up suddenly been a professional.

[@FreshPepper]

Got you! I'll plan to do a follow-up video

[@adamthirtle3051]

As a professional photographer working in the fashion industry every single day I find this video incredibly misleading. You’re making a whole lot of assumptions as if they’re fact. Professional photographers use many lighting techniques, including natural light, it’s just a case of using it correctly. I personally do use mostly primes, but there is certainly a time and place for zoom lenses when you need that flexibility. Only shooting in Manual mode too...shutter priority and aperture priory are incredibly useful tools if you understand how the work.

[@sigrid1937]

Loving the new setup and your intro as well 👍🏻

[@FreshPepper]

Sig thank you

[@lisablevins6894]

Hi, I would just like to let you know that I've been wanting to model forever and this weekend I have my first meeting with an agency! Your videos have been super helpful and I love watching them :)

[@FreshPepper]

Lisa Blevins thank you Lisa! Glad you found my channel. Good luck this weekend

[@tekmepikcha6830]

Did I just watch a 4k video 🤨.....😂? So another awesome video FP! Not sure I agree with the lighting and (maybe website) points 🤔. But everything else, in my opinion, was on point. I've 90% transitioned from amateur to professional. My only issue is that photography is my part-time, and so it's hard to put in the dedication needed, plus I'm no spring-chicken anymore lolol🤣. Please do a series on this topic sir. ’Twas very informative!!!

[@FreshPepper]

Great points, I might make a follow-up video to this

[@shawnwilliams2381]

Thanks for sharing i worked with a bad photographer before, never. Booking her again

[@FreshPepper]

I've worked with some bad ones too. It's always good to stay informed

[@kameronburris3285]

I got a question I live in South Carolina I want to be a fashion model can I start with New York or Los Angeles

[@ivandbrunson]

Kameron Burris there's an excellent Mother Agency in Columbia SC, DeAbreu Modeling Consultants. They challenge you to get out of your comfort zone through RunWay & Acting classes! Ms. Ericka DeAbreu is the CEO.

[@fLORiDa33020]

Lots of professional photographer don't know retouching or how to edit on magazine quality level, period! The other hand to start out as a photographer and able to buy lightings like beauty dish, soft box.... different prime lenses will cost you easily 50K US dollar so the best way to start out is to rent some till you have the money to buy them. Top fashion photographers easily has 100k in equipment, to get there takes time, to get into commercial fashion photography and work with agencies. Lots of connection not just pure talent and hard work.

[@CaramelCakez7]

Good morning Pepper. U should also bring awareness to photographers scamming you by sending payments b4 the job is even done and the checc be fraudulent. It messed up my bank account.They r creating websites and everything. I was a victim of this. My journey has been very very rocky.

[@FreshPepper]

Yes, you always have to be skeptical. There are so many scams in the industry.

[@jay-mv5nb]

I definitely needed this 💖💯

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

Thats why my aim is to be the best amateur photographer ever, good look with the flashes

[@crazycarey6423]

Thanks for information I am a photographer my self still have alot learn before I'm the best

[@reggielstovall]

This is true. Been modeling for a year and definitely experienced this with photogrpahers. I worked with like over 20 photographers starting off last year and now only work with only 2 to 3 photographers. You can definitely tell by the quality of work and the professional photographers is worth every penny,

[@FreshPepper]

💯

[@zyariv]

This is basically just from my perspective but I really hope very helpful for the new models up there. 😉: Let's say that it's hard to find any professional photographers, because they are so busy or sometimes they are an exclusive for some VIP/high brand clients, if the insta photographer is the only choice: 1. Before you approach any photographer, make sure you have your own reference on how do you want to be photographed. Read some fashion magazines, fashion photography-related books at big libraries in your area (or buy one is even better), or the easiest is to use Pinterest! Insta also have save options you can try that too. My favourite photographers that can be referred (these are pro anyway haha): Hugo Comte, Alessio Bolzoni, Peter Lindberg (RIP), and Nick Knight (I went to his studio in London last May and his works are incredible!) 2. Because there are certain kind of photographer in insta that just do the same things because of the trends, but still afraid to be different. So you REALLY need to know your style, what do you want but most of all what do you and the industry need! 3. These are somehow just 80% accurate, but the insta photographer that you are going to approach should have at least 300-500 posts, with 80% of his contents are fashion or at least portraiture photography. 4. Don't always get fooled by how many followers do they have because there is no guarantee if let's say, 20k followers but only 12 posts... In my own opinion that's weird, he might be: -fake/stealing from the other photographer, -or shot just for fun, -or he is a famous instagram influencer that did a 'photography' -or his images are the one that he gets from a photography workshop held by the other professional photographer (a lot of my relatives did that) which the concept is not totally from himself. (This could be an exception, if he has a website, or he is your friend and you know his work so well) 5. Or even worse if there is no photographer, do self portrait (not selfie). Use timer from ur phone and find a pleasant/simple location with enough light. That's it from me its just my opinion but if I wanna add some I might leave a comment below hehe thanks! Anyway I am an amateur photographer that has started photography since 2013 until infinity 😉 I have been subscribed to Fresh Pepper since several months. Thank You so much for this video!

[@FreshPepper]

These are great points, thanks for sharing this

[@zyariv]

@@FreshPepper No worries mate! Really hope that we can work together in one day. 😀

[@lanchanoinguyen2914]

The question video of the universe: what makes you think that you're a professional?

[@alantheshade955]

lânchánđời nguyễn because he is appreciating flash photography... and he shoots only in Raw and have a website of course. It’s not the composition, you just need more lenses... Ridiculous lol

[@dorib.3367]

Very informative info, but I've been at a photo shoot were the photographer had one assistant only he had all his equipment set up on the table and yes he used lighting and changed his lense but I didn't get the pictures they offer a modeling contract and then tried to charge the pic with the contract, I didn't sign with them.

[@FreshPepper]

Oh that sounds like a scam, I've had some bad experiences with photographers as well

[@saffcannysmith]

Thank you for the tips. I’m so wary of dodgy photographers

[@FreshPepper]

Always great to stay informed

[@angeevishwakarma9863]

M too late here....but man very informative and u r doing a greaaaaaat job ....♥️

[@giovannybanuelos6604]

I’m a barely getting into modeling but if I notice the photographer shooting in JPEG and with prime lens do I just walk away?

[@snayemdubu2988]

6:43😂😂

[@JohnJohn-er9ef]

Hey 😃 fresh are you 6 ft 3 Even without shoes or a half inch taller without shoes?

[@FreshPepper]

I'm more like 6'2.5 but my agent sometimes rounds up to 6'2 or 6'3. Measurements are always done without shoes

[@liviadodd5098]

I live in a small town. How can I find a photographer who has experience with models near me?

[@FreshPepper]

Try looking on freelance websites and apps like fivver, upwork, thumbtack,

[@Halbi1987]

hahaha well I never read the instruction of any camera I own (I own 5) but by Your definition I am a professional.

[@bellamywest63]

Thank you! Great info as usual 😀👍🏽

[@BTSARMYJIMIN13]

I have this weird fear that I'm a fake photographer, like I still do, I probably am?? But anyway, this photographer, who randomily saw me on the street, told me once that you need to pick a lens and stick with it so I felt really awkward cuz I did feel like I needed to switch my lens but I felt so intimidated so I didn't 🙈

[@emberdominique9057]

Awesome advice. Also, do you think that it's amateurish when a photographer explains his process to you compared to one who just shoots away? I had one shoot when he always tells me to do this pose or that because he wants leading lines or natural light or a bokeh effect. I havent seen his work though because it's still onpost process. I also have been shooting with a completely quiet guy that just shoots away and his work is amazing.. that's why i made it my profile picture here. :D what's your thought on this?

[@SolidusLightning777]

I had to stop watching when he said that good photographers don't post their prices nor use zoom lenses. I'll use two examples of actual good photographers to illustrate my point. Example 1: Thomas Prusso is what I'd call a tactical femme fatale photographer. He's very well renowned, especially within the military and guns/gear communities. He posts his pricing model right on his website. That doesn't seem to affect the quality of his photos or the quantity of his clientele whatsoever. thomasprussophotography.com/ Example 2: Mike Calimbas is a Brasilian Jiu Jitsu black belt and combat sports photographer. He's photographed grappling tournaments all around the world, from North American Grappling Association tourneys in his home state of Texas to the IBJJF World Championships to Abu Dhabi Combat Club tournaments where the best of the best compete. So needless to say, he's one of the best go-to photographers for combat sports. He lists his pricings here mikecalimbasphotography.com/?page_id=677 Additionally, as a combat sports photographer, since he cannot be in the competition space while people are fighting on it, and since he cannot control where the fighters move during their competition, it is disadvantageous for him to limit himself to just one focal length. I can speak from my own personal experience that trying to shoot a boxing fight with a 24-70 is much easier than just a 35 or just a 50. The whole rant about how good photographers don't post their pricing is just mind boggling. Isn't being transparent with your potential customers an aspect of being a professional in any field? I think it's sketchy to hide your pricing from the public and not be transparent, and true professionals are not sketchy. Being a "good photographer" doesn't mean that you need to limit yourself and the tools at your disposal, nor does it mean you need to hide yourself and not be transparent about the value of your service from the get-go without extra consultation. To say so is just pretentious and idiotic. I'm glad I'm not the only or the first commenter to mention the inaccuracies and absolute hogwash statements in this video.

[@mrmagic6729]

Hi I have watched a lot if your videos and they are helpful. Thus video, this particular video has a lot of untrue points. Am a photographer and trust me you don conclude a photographer who doesn't use light or don't shoot raw...are for reals.... Every photographer has their way to things...cos I work alone don't mean am not confident wow....bad pointers!!!! Bad

[@fairusecafe]

This list is wrong. I'm sorry. You are looking at things through the Lens of a Model not a Pro Photographer. I hope you take down this Video because is misleading. For instance, shooting with just natural light during day does not automatically disqualify you as professional. In fact I'd argue it is the exact opposite. A photographer that understands light can work with natural light without the need of modification with OFC flash. You are wrong brother. Btw I know plenty of pros that use both zoom and prime Lenses. It's really a preference thing. Plus Pros don't just shoot in manual mode always. That only happens in controlled lighting settings like in a Studio. Outdoor photo shoots without OFC flash is done in Aperture priority mode. They would only go to manual mode setting if they want to control the ambient light and/or add OFC Flash.

[@OohFiona]

This is the first video of yours where I truly don’t agree with a lot of what you’re saying 😭

[@lanchanoinguyen2914]

this is a myth.The greatest art photographers weren't having the gear like we have now.It is stupid to think that professional need this and that gear.There are hundred types of photographer,the most important think.Take a soulful and meaningful photo,not try being a whatever labeled photographer.

[@mrslavik86]

90% of this is not true at all. Plus a lot of people don't care if you don't have website as long as they can see your work on instagram or facebook. When I had my wedding photos taken I went through dozens of websites and didnt find anything to my liking. Ended up finding someone fb and for less money and someone who paid attention to every detail. Some professional photographers don't care about websites. And some amateurs have all the equipment without knowing how to use it

[@beachbumblog]

While I'll say the zoom lens and manual mode only are somewhat false, you're not totally wrong either. I see there were quite a few "offended" photographers, you are pretty spot on with most of it. I've worked in a few different roles with photographers and now learning myself where I've seen this. It was really bad in touristy areas, I've seen some crazy bad stuff that I was pretty horrified by.

[@trulie508]

Just because you have a website doesn’t mean your a pro...just because you have a bag full of lenses doesn’t mean your a pro...editing your own pictures doesn’t make you an amateur...I get what you mean but none of this is true. A REAL, PROFESSIONAL photographer can make any camera work for them. It depends on your SKILL, not equipment/website/photoshop