Goodbye, Steam Deck

[@Denki]

Slight correction: Spotify/Netflix/Discord apps can be installed on the Deck, but more to my point, YMWV for a lot of features - which is much less a concern on Windows. Spotify has a Linux app that's supposedly not supported my the company but made out of love by some devs working there? Netflix does not have an officially supported Linux native app. 3rd party and browser surely exists, but at that point I'm good. Discord works, but can be temperamental with some features from what I'm reading - especially hopping between desktop and console mode.

[@X862go]

Pc modding is way easier too.

[@LunarMusician]

​@@X862go It's improving, but yeah, there's still a ways to go in that field. Most of the focus I think has been on compatibility for the games before the modding tools. Nexus has a version of their mod manager on github for linux though it's in such early stages it only supports Stardew Valley for now. Back when Lethal Company was huge, R2ModMan would work for the game on Windows and Linux. It's admitedly a pain in the ass, I was able to mod Sonic Adventures 1 and 2 using ProtonTricks

[@Yannick9797]

​@@Denki PC gaming requires always a bit of tinkering and research. All the problems you are mentioning are fixable. So what exactly is the problem here. If you aren't willing to put in the effort you should go back to console gaming. I've had my steam deck since march 2022 and have seen the evolution of the device and it truly is the best mobile pc there is.

[@dynamicburrito]

Windows on handheld is a complete dumpster fire, I regret ditching my Deck for a legion go, and also wound up with an ally z1 extreme for free and also the windows experience is crap there too. Deck is a more polished experience.

[@X862go]

@@dynamicburrito IDK did you try the ally I have them all and I would agree the legion go sucks . my legion go broke week one but i love my ally. mainly for pc modding.

[@GOODEUSMAXIMUS]

Twice the price, not twice as nice.

[@saveliyadaev382]

Not even once is nice lol

[@safm986]

Poet

[@janwendtland8504]

I got the OG Ally z1 extreme new for 449€. I'm really happy, cuz i'll use it also docked as my desktop PC.

[@BlueFlash215]

​@@janwendtland8504so you neither got a good handheld nor a good PC. Maybe a solution while you are a student though.

[@UncleSheogorath]

"Twice the price, double the regret." - Count Dooku (probably)

[@rjhowe99]

You lost me when you said it was running Windows. I love that the steam deck is pushing the movement for Linux gaming Forward.

[@bababasri3]

You can’t be serious.

[@snowzZzZz]

@@bababasri3 I don't think we want Microsoft having a monopoly over PC gaming (platform wise) this directly benefits Linux

[@jadinc77]

@@bababasri3 IMO the only better thing about Windows is its software support. The more popular Linux becomes, the more softwares that'll support it.

[@bababasri3]

@@snowzZzZz linux sucks ass, always has been, you cant even play alot of games on steamos LOL, I have windows anytime over linux, I am not going to waste my breath and give you all negative things about Steamdeck and Linux, but I put my steamdeck oled on sale and going to purchase rog ally x in one of these days, no real gamer would buy a steamdeck and use linux. What an abysmal worthless system. I am not a programmer I don’t want to waste my time on learning how to install programs on linux where i can download and install programs and they just work. And you say windows is bad? 😂😂😂 clown

[@bababasri3]

@@jadinc77 i am not going to waste my valuable time waiting for it to correct, since this talk about linux getting better goes around for so many years my grandchildren will still have to hear it. I rather use the tools that work rn. No tinkering with software no headache.

[@larbgai75]

3 weeks in, "Why I Regret Having Said Goodbye to My Steam Deck "

[@ronniebx4664]

@@larbgai75 Make it "a weekend". The grass is not always greener

[@Carbiniz3r]

Right away, anyone whos had any of these windows based handhelds knows that the touchscreen isnt always reliable and having a way to actually steer the mouse besides touching the glass is a must have. The claw doesnt have anything for that.

[@adolfbilic8622]

@@larbgai75 I haven't regretted selling my Deck - sold the Deck OLED and kept the Ally . Much prefer the Ally ...

[@larbgai75]

@@adolfbilic8622 sure, enjoy then:)

[@adolfbilic8622]

@@larbgai75 thanks. I did really like the Deck but game compatibility was starting to annoy me as there were a fair few games that didn't work from my library. They are both great devices just preferred the Ally overall. Others will prefer the Deck .it's nice we have a choice.

[@alexandersierra1305]

The thing that gets me about all these Steam Deck competitors is none of them actually compete on the touchpads and controller layout customization. All other things being roughly equal, that stands out to me. There are lots of games in my steam library that are not controller compatible and the addition of the touchpads make them portable on a deck.

[@undisturbed809]

@@alexandersierra1305 The ROG ALLY has mouse mode, turns the sticks into a mouse. No need for touchpads

[@StoneyWoney]

​@@undisturbed809 lol yeah using sticks for mouse movement is so great xD try to be a bit more subtle with your irony next time. If you make it that obvious, everyone immediately notices you are joking.

[@Rezerection]

I had no idea spidermans friend had a youtube channel

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

You can customise your controls using the Steam UI on Windows. The lack of touchpads suck, but maybe the games you play might be compatible with the touch screen? There's the upcoming Orange Pi Neo which is a fellow Linux based handheld that also has touch pads, and will be significantly more powerful than the Steam Deck.

[@harper3579]

@@undisturbed809 the steam deck not only does that better in every way with the touchpads, it also does it by default with the sticks in desktop mode, as well as at the click of a button in gaming mode. This argument is invalid.

[@Nightowl3581]

$800 for a handheld gaming device? Hell nah. Also, Asus handhelds are known for their internal design flaws so you never know how long your device will last. If u got money then go for it. Who am I to tell you what you should buy or what you shouldn’t lol.

[@Vandius24]

And you can't even buy replacement parts if it gets damaged like you can with steam deck.

[@williamtaylor4289]

Asus booooo

[@bushysowavvey]

Got my OG Ally on release and it’s been absolutely fine.

[@humanizedkun6488]

Steam deck have design flaw too that have sticky button

[@VeegovonDOOM]

@@bushysowavvey same , not a single problem from day one.

[@greenboots5823]

Nah, you can't even pay me to use Windows on handheld.

[@SolaiRaj-fs6qi]

Same here, I hate other handhelds just because of windows

[@JosephEllis-ep7sg]

Bazzite is really easy to install. Runs fantastically on the LLG

[@StopJerkingOff]

@@greenboots5823 lmao cope it’s not that big a deal.

[@AkaHoodie]

@@StopJerkingOffit’s really not that big of a deal

[@StopJerkingOff]

@@AkaHoodie they acting like 80% of the world hasn’t already been using windows for the past 20 years lmao they exasperate the windows updates, literally only took me 10-15 minutes to do the initial set up and mandatory updates only show up every 2-4 months.

[@jadinc77]

How important is Windows to me? It's actually a negative for me haha.

[@SZF123456]

@@jadinc77 nothing stops you from installing Linux though?

[@nomoreheroes1718]

I had a PC built for back in 2015. Specifically asked for Windows 7 ONLY 😂

[@jadinc77]

@@SZF123456 I have Linux on all my machines and want it to stay that way! If you mean installing it on the ROG, I would consider steamOS if that were released, but I don't wanna fiddle with optimizations for a handheld on some other flavor of Linux. Not sure if Asus is offering some sort of Linux support if you wanted to install it to the ROG Ally... Either way I'm happy with my Steam Deck and can wait for the next generation

[@GraveUypo]

@@SZF123456 plain linux not as good as steamOS for handhelds. even the steamOS clones kinda lack. that's from someone writing this from linux mint on my desktop pc.

[@bm-cy7ek]

​@@jadinc77no one cares about your PCs though do they?

[@GreenSkinGentleman]

>expensive >runs on windows >clunky as hell No thanks. I don't need windows or 800 dollars to run games I actually want to play on a handheld. I have a PC for everything else. Also: Who wants to play valorant on a business trip lmao

[@boomerthedingo2196]

Steam deck owner copium is real

[@linezgames3893]

🤣well said

[@shawnsmith564]

Couldn't be more wrong about the steamdeck, don't get me wrong it's a great handheld but it's limited with Linux and the oled is nice but the ally x is just gorgeous with better battery, better games with anti cheat, great size, more ports etc. The windows argument is getting stale because windows is the greatest os out there

[@MaoRatto]

@@boomerthedingo2196 ... >Until realizing people can shove Windows onto the Steam Deck anyways.

[@MaoRatto]

@@shawnsmith564 That's the Anti-Cheat's fault, not Steam Deck's fault. >Requires kernel level anti-cheat that can get exploited to spread more viruses Windows hasn't been good since 7. Bad UI for Windows 8, 10 auto-updates... As someone who draws a lot through the week... Auto-updates are a slap to the face constantly. Also Windows uses Windows Explorer 2.0 or the official name " Microsoft Edge " how many people unironically use Microsoft Edge? The best feature of Windows Explorer was the uninstallation that was stripped out of Edge. I don't use Edge, I have used Brave for about more than 5 years. Windows is riddled with poor security, unlike Linux, where viruses are much less likely due to just being different. I have both Windows and Linux, the auto-updates, can't uninstall Edge, and generally annoying search bar instantly makes me hate Windows 10. If it weren't for software I have, I would've switched over. The " Type here to search" has no business having ads for Co-Pilot, Emails & crap.

[@operativethisistheway6384]

I feel that paying 800 bucks for a handheld is a clear quality of life downgrade.

[@christophercullum4036]

@@operativethisistheway6384 yeah at $800 you're not for off from a great gaming laptop. Acer Nitro series is just above $800 and you have the full functionality of a windows clamshell laptop!

[@sabermajora408]

Agreed

[@proxyhx2075]

Ayaneo 👀

[@pg14801]

Shut up

[@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords]

@@proxyhx2075 even more so lol

[@Wakaweakweak7474]

Imagine steamdeck was released years ago and most of these new handheld consoles are still competing with it

[@malikkelly]

Deck still on top. They just can't match the pricing

[@BlueCollaredGrit]

@@malikkellyRog Ally X is a premium product This ain’t no steam deck or switch 😂

[@malikkelly]

@@BlueCollaredGrit Yet still it’s not gonna compete. A steam deck using the same upgraded hardware that an ally X uses will still outshine Ally all at a cheaper price

[@malikkelly]

@@BlueCollaredGrit It's cheaper because it can be. Ally does not have prices subsidised by steam purchases. Ally also came out after with newer hardware. If were looking at performance, like I said, A Deck 2 with the same hardware as an Ally X will do more. That's just a fact

[@rowburt]

@@BlueCollaredGrit you can always just install windows if it really is that big of an issue for you. personally im excited to see more games coming to linux.

[@jonathanvandenberg3571]

2 reasons why I'll never buy ROG: 1: Windows 2: Price

[@theloafer7769]

i got a z1 for 400$ and i love it tried to install bazzite but it gives me a fatal error

[@stephaniedibello2150]

@@jonathanvandenberg3571 is windows good on a handheld console?…. No…. It’s not.

[@jonathanvandenberg3571]

@@stephaniedibello2150 Not on desktop either.

[@stephaniedibello2150]

@@jonathanvandenberg3571 what?… I use Windows 10 on my laptop and it works fine.

[@shahtayyib]

A used Ally is quite affordable IMO. Better price:performance than the base SD.

[@LODGEYISBORED]

I wonder who the sponsor is? haha

[@RetrixUniverse]

Exactly...a lot of boot licking here

[@JXL_ST20]

It's hard to tell, huh? haha Whole video does feel like a paid advertisement.

[@Tapedworms123]

Says paid promotion

[@onri_]

First line on the description reads "Thanks to Geologie for sponsoring this video!"

[@jaughnekow]

Steam Deck still rocks in terms of pricing

[@leilavergerius9223]

That was at first but not now, because white ally is cheaper as well you can find at 400 usd or less and second hand more cheaper, and dont forget amazon puts good sales and black frida, plus in early 2025 price on ally x will decrease so much just wait for it the same happened on ally 2023.

[@savage5757]

Steam Deck is also the leader in the number of touch panels on board

[@fairphoneuser9009]

@@savage5757 Touch panels? Do you mean touchpads?

[@savage5757]

@@fairphoneuser9009 yes

[@VoltageDx]

Remeber the steam deck is supported by valve and the steam store so it will always be cheaper theb all the other handheld computers and won't need a revision EVERY YEAR.

[@Drunken_Horse]

Unless rumours of Microsoft coming out the console market and instead pushing gamepass on Windows 11 (and therefore all these window handhelds) are to believed.

[@VoltageDx]

@@Drunken_Horse till I see it I don't believe it and also let not forget Microsoft has little reason to do this and their last OS that was not windows failed. They tried to do a mobile one for phones and that died quickly.

[@HTCaveman]

@@Drunken_Horse Microsoft will NEVER leave the console market, as long as there IS a market for consoles. The rumors are just rumors.

[@NightFoxZero]

The biggest problem is that at $800 you might was well look into an actual gaming laptop which will get you more performance and a bigger screen and more functional use than this thing does.

[@Drunken_Horse]

@NightFoxZero Kind of missing the point of a handheld there. Its like saying "why buy a luxury car when the same price you can buy a semi truck? Its bigger and more powerful" Yes sure technically they do the same thing but how people use them that's the point.

[@thekiddshow]

If you have 800 dollars for a steamdeck, not even the smallest gaming laptop will be what you are looking for.

[@itssomeoneelse]

@@Drunken_Horse In my case, a small Asia guy with small hands, the handheld has to be smaller and lighter, then I can lay up playing. So I have tons of handheld systems but not the Deck or ROG yet.

[@itssomeoneelse]

If you have money you want them all, dude.

[@Denki]

It's just depends on what you're looking for. $800 for a supplementary PC is arguably better as a handheld than an entry-level gaming laptop. Yeah you lose out on a small dGPU, but those come with considerable tradeoffs - size, battery life, and cheapo build and even the form factor. For a lot of people, the product segment is cool because of the built in controller. And while the specs might not seem amazing head to head, pushing graphics on a smaller screen actually does make for better perceived visuals. 1080p low on a 15" display looks way worse on a more pixel dense 7" 1080p one IMO. $800 is a lot given the landscape, but it isn't the most unreasonable ask

[@Zerotymn]

The Steam Deck has done its job pushing the handheld market to a new height. I still love mine and not plan on buying anything else for like the next 3 years.

[@aust100]

Same

[@BodyGuardCZ]

Me - personally gonna pick only Steam Deck 2 … Nothing else will ever be as good as Steam Deck 1 is …

[@JayFight]

Yeah, I don't plan on replacing my Steam Deck for some time and when I do, I will first be looking at valve for steam deck 2

[@JUANisJhon]

watching this on my steam deck oled 500+gb this device make me miss my laptop hahahahahah

[@thedavehatessheep]

I'm currently doing a massive remodel on my house and my PC is in storage. The Steam Deck is my only way to game right now. I don't see any other handheld competing with SD. It's so versatile and I was surprised how little it mattered dropping from 1440p to 720p with the smaller screen. I've played more games from my backlog mostly because I can't play shooters with a controller so it's forced me to actually look at my backlog. And learning Linux in desktop mode was nowhere near as challenging as I thought it was going to be. So much that I'm considering dual booting when I get my PC back.

[@zjeee]

Don't want to bash the video but it id heavily based around windows. As somebody that dual boots windows and steam os on my steam deck just wanted to point out that technically you can run all those apps on the deck since you can install windows on it.

[@shahtayyib]

@@zjeee AFAIA, valve is prioritising bringing dual boot steam OS to the Ally, though not sure if that includes the X

[@kadimahmed180]

800$ ? that's indeed a hard pill to swallow

[@eduardofrances]

After all the Shenanigans Asus has pulled in the last year I wouldn't touch anything made by them.

[@mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305]

They were the ones who tried to make gamers Nexus pay for things that weren't even a problem and threatened to send the device back disassembled, right? Pretty sure valve on the other hand is very good about repairs and stuff...

[@eduardofrances]

@@mauri-mattiaslaanesaar5305 Yup! Asus also was playing dumb with the SD card overheating issue for the longest time possible to avoid having to either recall or issue a warranty repair service too

[@caffeinetweaker]

This. 100%. I was interested in getting an Ally X until all the really sketchy shit came out. My favorite was their "customer service" trying to gouge GamersNexus for repairs then claiming they were just "confused" when they calld it out... Yeah... Noped the hell out of anything Asus.

[@hermdude]

3:50 Well, Spotify and Discord can be installed in the SteamOS through Flatpak, but I suppose since Steam/Valve doesn't promote the use of desktop mode, I wouldn't think most users would know about it, unless they were thinking of modding their games or Steam Deck experience.

[@jacobsinger618]

@@hermdude true dat.

[@Denki]

I assumed it was possible, but even if Discord works to some degree, having it run natively is nice. It already is temperamental with some features and I can only imagine what weird bugs can appear time to time - especially when you inevitably want to hop out of Desktop mode (or launch it from console mode)

[@nickc572]

@@Denki It does work and can be launched from console mode, but the Discord app itself doesn't seem to be something that their devs care about all that much for Linux in general considering that they still haven't bothered to make screen sharing with audio work while third-party apps have already managed to do so

[@toddboyles3907]

@DNKI you can still run discord in the background on the deck as well as another game too

[@hermdude]

@@Denki Discord and Spotify does run natively in Linux, no Proton/Wine emulation. Not sure whether it would meet your expectations but it at least works well for me. As for getting it to launch on console mode, there's a workaround to "add non-Steam games into Steam", but to make it look as if it's a "native" Steam app would take some effort. I suppose that's one thing that Valve could improve on with regards to integrating non-Steam apps that is from the Flatapp "store" at least. One thing I would say that is unexpected for me is how well the console mode deals with multiple applications at once (running Spotify and Discord in the background, for example). It's definitely something you wouldn't expect from another console like the Switch.

[@JmYanis]

One of my favourite feature on Steam Deck is sleep/resume. Note, I usually play one game at a time.

[@shahtayyib]

They have vastly improved this on the Ally compared to launch

[@nguyen275]

The power button function the Steam Deck is amazing. To when i just want to turn off the Steam Deck with a gane still running and resume anytime to if something happens i can just shutdown and restart with a held of the power button.

[@jondr]

Windows on a handheld is truly awful

[@MasterControl90original]

Considering the price the ally will never be a real deck replacement

[@willw1980]

@@MasterControl90original ontop of that, it doesn't have as many buttons. I'm sometimes a nut for keymapping.

[@christbenitez8797]

The Lenovo legion Go is better than this $800 rushed portable pc

[@CJTheTokay]

@@christbenitez8797 the 1tb legion go is only $50 less that the ally x which also has 1tb… I don't see the issue

[@gaboonus]

Why does it have to replace the deck? Each has its own appeal.

[@gaboonus]

​@@christbenitez8797eventually I may pick up a legion go as well. By then it should have a decent price drop. I decided against getting one in favor of the Ally X because I heard the LLG had really poor battery life, but that screen looks killer. How have you been getting on with yours? Do you find the battery life adequate?

[@caffeinetweaker]

Oh shit did Value announce a SteamDeck 2!? Oh... One of the most sketchy companies from the last year (Asus) who had a handheld that cooked SD cards and denied it launched a new handheld? And it runs Windows. Ah. Ok. Well... Back to my steamdeck.

[@YouGotTheL]

Yup! I had the ally and I sold it then bought a deck oled. I should have gotten the deck oled the first time

[@caffeinetweaker]

@@YouGotTheL I don't have an OLED either! 😄 Maybe someday, but right now my OG one is still perfect for me!

[@sirkyoj1]

How much did they pay you for this 11:24 ad?

[@leechanyessonghe7442]

😵🤣🤣

[@aaalgieee]

Goodbye, Steam Deck (geologie final) before rename

[@conc1erge]

(geologie final)

[@NathanMatthews.]

What does it mean

[@Denki]

damn it 😅

[@joeyghostx]

@@Denki Isn't that a practice one does for say... multiple takes? lol

[@LogansMediaHub]

Goodbye, Steam Deck before 2nd rename

[@erebostd]

Asus, seriously? 😂 - i stopped at 0:33, there’s nothing more i need to see here. 👎

[@erebostd]

@@obiwonkenobi i remember the good old days of asus, that’s a thing you can be certain of. Probably that’s the reason i (and others) know how asus was. You probably know only the sh%tty and a little bit less sh%tty days…. 😉

[@erebostd]

@@obiwonkenobi obviously older than you. Maybe not physically, since I don’t know you, but mentally for sure 😉👍

[@gamesarelegends3473]

@@erebostd sounds really pre judging. Yes their current Mainboards are often really bad, but the Ally is one of those exceptions.

[@erebostd]

@@gamesarelegends3473 Did you ever contact their support? Or need spare parts? Believe me, I really liked asus some time ago. But I would never ever buy anything from them again without to be sure that they changed. And what I red about the ally isn't too reassuring, to say the least...

[@agsbxnskqbwjakq]

This feels like an unmarked ASUS ad and im not even 30 seconds in.

[@we.value505]

You guys are all jokes. You could get one easily for 400$ consistently, and I just bought one for 250$ that’s almost new. The price to performance is insane and the fact that I could play literally whatever I want even spider man 2. Install dual boot and it’s unstoppable.

[@Dsaberz]

With 800$ ill just buy a gaming laptop.

[@jomscath1822]

That $800 is a gaming PC. On handheld.

[@pixelman2626]

laptop suck. just built a $800 PC and it's miles better

[@SaulGoodmanered]

@@pixelman2626 can I get the specs bro?

[@CeazP1]

Yeah lemme just pull out my 15 inch laptop on the plane to play Forza real quick

[@lold6d2]

3:50 you're so wrong on this one, apps you mentioned like spotify and netflix run natively on deck

[@Denki]

I stand corrected on at least Spotify, though it's not officially supported by the company themselves it seems. Netflix themselves does not have a native app that's properly supported. The point is: you don't have to think about this at all with Windows

[@lold6d2]

@@Denki Discord is on steam deck as well. Idk, but windows is not good handheld experience, especially without these touchpads. Linux is more practical for desktop when you dont include official support for few apps. I mean last situation with airports and hospitals stuff summs it pretty well, its less reliable. Currently waiting for next gen release, but I'm pretty happy with my upgrade to OLED SD. Hopefully next gen will adress performance to certain degree with extra battery and it stays 16GB of ram. Anything above is not necessary for gaming at the moment and it eats great amount of battery. Also making handheld smaller with keeping aspect ratio of 16:10 and 7.4 screen size would be great

[@sagepirotess6312]

800... the ally is not 24 months old. 800 can buy a great laptop. We saw how fast rog ally 1.0 wss discounted.

[@nomoreheroes1718]

Yup, I sure as hell caught that too 👍

[@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords]

Idk if it's just me but Steam deck adjusted my expectations of a handheld, I no longer wish to run Cyberpunk quality games even though I have played it a few times, I really enjoy playing Indie and back catalogue games vs newest high-end games, None of these handhelds are worth the money vs a good Steam deck yet

[@Lo-Fi-_-Gaming]

I'll just wait for steam deck 2. I want my 4 back buttons and touchpads. 😂 Can't live without the 4 back buttons. Seriously helped a lot for PC gaming. So many uses.

[@cc_trash]

and when its a simple game they can just double as a fidget toy!

[@iReturnV1deotapes]

Dont you worry about the RMA issues though? Asus has soured their reputation as a reliable dealer. Valve has retained unparalleled CS for decades by comparison.

[@JR-kx3jr]

He can probably afford to just buy a new one.

[@ramiking745]

Nah, ya'll can keep that Asus crap to yourselves. I still don't get why these sets of channels still accept Asus sponsorships aside from the money.

[@igorgusev6445]

Steam deck isn't the best by performance, but overall QoL on the SD is far ahead of ANYTHING else, all the consoles, potrable devices and so on. It's such an interesting device, because Valve thought about user experience, innovations. What so innovative in ROG? Windows? Sticks? Unnecessary large resolution? Price? I fell it like comparing Half life and CoD, yes, CoD looks cool, but still not even close to be so interesting to play with

[@arondyte318]

It's all fun and games until you're forced to do a Windows update in the middle of gaming while running out of battery.

[@pixelman2626]

in 1 years of owning an Ally, I NEVER had a forced Windows update in the middle of gaming. Tf are you bullshit here?

[@theloafer7769]

@@pixelman2626 exactly

[@pieminator6969]

"The biggest gamechanger for me is Windows 11" That's why you should get a steam deck, you get a no-fuss console experience. If you enjoy controlling one of the worst versions of Windows with joysticks, while getting more bloatware each update - go for it. If you really... really want to play games that aren't on Steam with +10 fps, just buy a gaming laptop.

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

Or... Replace Windows 11 on the handheld with Bazzite OS.

[@christianreid7529]

The next gen steamdeck is gonna blow this out of the water. I'm personally good with waiting. Most of the games I'm playing on my deck are single player games. Can't really be competitive on a handheld.

[@tvchris]

Windows is the Achilles heel of any non steam deck handheld.

[@SZF123456]

Just install Linux?

[@efremkGTFO]

@@SZF123456on the fact reinstaling oc is poweruser level skill, everyone else will stick whatever will be served with what they bought. its why windows was a monopoly it just is made to be default by shady practicies.

[@WillingFire]

Also windows is not free for manufacturers so customers have to pay more just because windows comes preinstalled (even if they themselves would otherwise sail the seas).

[@pixelman2626]

lol the hate for Windows on handheld is so exaggerate to the max. The irony for the "Archilles heel" comment is tons of games can't be play Steam Deck while ROG Ally that use Windows can run ALL the PC games AND any emulators include PS3 (which SD is weak af to run with). Same with PC user experiencing, Ally needs to troubleshoot but if you're already a PC guy, it's a familiar experience to fix those issues within 10 minutes or a simple googling will fix the problem

[@seventhblessing.7371]

I don't care about having Windows on a handheld because I've learned to enjoy Linux. I bought the Steam Deck to play my indie backlog. For AAA games, I'd rather use my PC with a large display. For that purpose, the Steam Deck's performance is sufficient. Lately, I've been using it more in desktop mode, docked to a 32:9 monitor for light gaming while watching KZbin videos, and the performance has been fine. While the ROG Ally X is cool, the Steam Deck meets all my needs, so I won't upgrade unless it stops working.

[@petersziraki7672]

I had the OG Ally and I sold it after a few days, because of Windows 11. It was so much worse compared to the Steamdeck's OS :( .

[@UpscaleHD]

i installed bazzite os on rog ally and it's perfect. i had steam deck for 1 year and i switched to rog ally and windows sucks.

[@optimalbonkerz]

I love windows but ain't no f*cking way I'm using it in a handheld factor, they need a dedicated Windows OS that is build for handheld before I'll even consider it

[@Lagotarius]

Considering the repairability, the price, the OS and that Asus hardware is not known for its quality (I have a gaming notebook from Asus... ). Seriously, for a handheld, repairability (that includes the official availability of original replacement parts to a fair price) should weigh 50% in the overall result. There is no way I'll go back to Windows. If a game does not run on Linux, so be it. There are enough other games available.

[@FlameSoulis]

8:00 "Windows is a lot of maintenance on a handheld due to it being a full desktop OS..." So is SteamOS. It's a full Linux OS with both a desktop UI and custom launcher. Difference is that maintaining Linux is... a lot easier.

[@Divuar]

It's funny that the Ally rotate hardware so often, while Steamdeck is about to get updates for a long time in the future. Plus for some reason Steamdeck just runs more smoothly (sometimes with a bit worse graphics, yes).

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

Note to every Linux user: The ROG Ally X DOESN'T have to be Windows 11 only. You can put this OS called Bazzite OS on there to make it more console-like, similar to the Steam Deck. If you want Windows 11 gone from handhelds, just put Bazzite OS on the Ally or Legion Go, or any Windows handheld, and you're good to go. :)

[@brunoais]

3:26: Riot's Valorant is a rootkit. If you are fine with that that's ok. I'm not. But If you are fine with that, then I understand why you rather pay more and have windows. 3:51: Spotify and Discord are just browsers... And they run on linux.

[@SeducedMonk3y]

Sorry, but the ally x is not worth that price. The little things they added dont justify the cost increase from the ally. Also, i just prefer the lenevo Legion go because of screen size.

[@nathanjuan6042]

People complain about a $800 computer but ok with a $800 apple smartwatch that can do less.

[@SeducedMonk3y]

@@nathanjuan6042 well I don't use apple

[@potato_barbeque2082]

@@SeducedMonk3y also i love the legion go speker, its so great 😁

[@SeducedMonk3y]

@potato_barbeque2082 well they are great once you get them working correctly

[@deliomendoza2424]

nah, better to spend that $800 to an desktop upgrade.

[@EpicMediaKids]

I still don't want my device to be held ransom when it breaks so I'll stick to the steam deck.

[@4NT0N10MZC]

Finally someone who isn't a drone who's willing to admit how dog shit Linux is for gaming

[@majkenxd]

geologie final moment

[@TensorProgramming]

That's nice and all that you've switched, but the Rog Ally is pretty well known for terrible customer support and quality assurance. You couldn't pay me to buy that device.

[@vedant_bansal]

Having Windows is a downgrade IMO

[@nathanjuan6042]

Not for all its all about preference. I do prefer windows more because it has no limitations. Steam OS for me is more of a downgrade. People have different preference just depends on your use case and what fits your needs.

[@malikkelly]

@@nathanjuan6042 Windows is more of the downgrade because it's a bad mobile experience. If Microsoft does a good mobile version of windows, made for handhelds it'll be great

[@User71956]

I’m gradually moving away from Micro-soft-dick and using Linux as my primary OS. Played around with Mint last week and it’s very accessible like Windows is so that sealed it for me. Windows 11 added too much BS and privacy invasive features

[@mercuriete]

​@@nathanjuan6042you can install M$ Windows on the Steam Deck. Your desision on buying ROG is because of the performance not because of operative system. On deck you can dual boot if you want.

[@bushysowavvey]

That makes absolutely no sense. Y’all really sound like babies fr. Using Windows on a handheld is not bad.

[@JamesMKE]

$800 LMFAO. Only reason I have a OLED Steam deck is because I sold a very rare Counter-Strike Sticker. These handhelds are NOT worth that much. The LCD 64GB Steam deck at $300 with upgraded storage is prolly the only real value in this market atm. Everything else is just not worth it yet. when the Deck 2 and Switch 2 drop maybe it will be worth it finally. The future looks bright for Valve and Nintendo. Can't say the same for ASUS.

[@MatthewFling]

I have both and I tend to gravitate to the Ally over the OLED steamdeck due to its graphical power. But I’m debating on selling my Ally and just going back to the SD until SD2 comes out.

[@Qrinity]

Upgrading for a mere small upgrade 1.3x the price is dumb. Wait for steam deck 2 or next gen asus ally. I dont get why people are gushing over an updated model

[@Tapedworms123]

Goodbye Steam Deck, hello sponsor money.

[@soldierplays4616]

As someone who owns both the oled steam deck and the new ally x. The ally x is just vastly superior. The original gripe with original release was battery and and sd card issue and now on the X it’s both been fixed. The screen on the ally x is very comparable to the oled on steam deck if you tune the color a bit in amd Radeon settings and not to mention the ally x runs in 1080p just make everything looks so sharp and nice The performance on ally is just the sweet spot for the hardware we have now and can play any games at medium to high settings. As a matter of fact I have been playing destiny 2 at medium-high at 60 fps and the first descendant at 45-50 fps at 900p medium-high settings at native aa and no upscaling and my goodness it looks so good

[@SecretWolfie]

No. I think I’ll keep my Steam Deck OLED with its Linux based operating system.

[@vgamedude9811]

I care about software, usability, convenience and something not being relegated to e waste. For example how is battery replacement and stick replacements? Steamdeck at least cares a little about such things

[@lanzelet7386]

Did he ever use his Steam Deck in desktop mode…? There are Linux apps for Spotify and Discord. Ngl, I often use my steam deck docked instead of my windows desktop unless I’m streaming or working. SteamOS is nice.

[@WooniezTV]

no thanks. steam deck OLED will always beat windows handhelds

[@YouGotTheL]

Correct. I sold my ally and got a deck oled. I should have just bought the deck oled in the first place

[@TheJavw]

All the apps he said are on Linux lol 😆

[@miaumiaumin]

I’ve been thinking about buying the ROG Ally when it originally came out, since Valve doesn’t do shipping to Puerto Rico (and by the snarky remarks and bad attitude they’ve given other people who have asked, they never will) Now that the ROG Ally X has mostly fixed some issues, I feel a little better buying it.

[@digitaldonovin1189]

None of the other handhelds can compete when it comes to the controls. Steam Input is just leagues above other input modes from other controllers. I daily a LegionGO, But I really do wish my steamdeck's controls.

[@Denki]

@@digitaldonovin1189 playing 10 seconds of Cities Skylines on the Ally made me want to jump off a bridge. It's crazy how well how much emphasis Valve put on controller profiles

[@ncjr372]

Didn’t he had a video called "The Steam Deck is my PERFECT console"

[@slyman15]

The Steam Deck is one of the worst gaming devices I have ever used. It’s slow, unreliable, filled with bugs, etc. Maybe I got unlucky or something, but it’s just a $650 paperweight for me at the moment.

[@frosty295]

lmao no offence but Windows is not a plus and an automatic turn off for a handheld with how shit, cluncky and bloated the software experience when you can use a Linux system. Just sounds like you want a gaming laptop with extra steps especially for the price and with it not running a Steam OS/Steam OS like Linux distro No thanks, don't want to deal with Asus issues and their terrible customer support, I'll get a Steam Deck Spotify is officially supported and I have made a desktop app for Netflix, youtube, youtube music etc that work the same way as the desktop apps but multi platform for the same consist experience Try vesktop, it's better then the Discord client

[@dgm778]

I'm going to say something true about the steam deck, it has the best design I've ever seen on a handheld PC, that's going to make it super special over time, I'm serious, I have the rog Ally, despite having more power, the Steam Deck feels very nice and comforting and solid. If I ever run out of it, I will miss it.

[@kandym3478]

There are so many downsides to the Ally. Runs windows, no trackpads..

[@adolfbilic8622]

Windows is a major plus for me . Full game compatibility...

[@Tapedworms123]

​@@adolfbilic8622Can easily do that with the Steam Deck with some very simple tinkering.

[@adolfbilic8622]

@@Tapedworms123 I had a Deck and an OLED before I sold them . Windows installed on both as well as Steam OS . It's not the same . Hopefully Valve will sort out Dual Boot eventually but for now it's poor even when set up properly .

[@Tapedworms123]

@adolfbilic8622 Well, then that's just your opinion.

[@kandym3478]

@@adolfbilic8622 Skill issue. I can run all of my games. I'm even running Nobara Linux on my steam deck and my Desktop.

[@Epic3032]

If i'd owned the Ally X I can run FL Studio on it on the go and make some music. As well as playing games.

[@coolkitty1654]

Competition is good and all, but $800 for a Windows handheld seems… ehhh. Also, without trackpads? That’s criminal, especially for Windows. Also, I’m not saying the Steam Deck is perfect in terms of hardware reliability, but ASUS does not have the best track record, and time will tell if the Ally X has the same hardware issues as the Ally. Also, I think the Steam Deck just works for more people, being much easier to pick up and play, along with the mentioned SteamOS power management, especially in suspend. The only thing I’d like to see on the Steam Deck now is dual USB-C and a hardware upgrade, but the Deck still runs a lot of my games perfectly fine! Good video, Denki.

[@KevinOsterkilde]

A lot of what you say is nice about the Ally, such as running Spotify and Discord (lol) you can easily do on the Steam Deck. Getting third party launchers working is a tiny bit of extra work but it's so easy...

[@MrRefael33]

Overall Steam Deck is much better. Steam OS is good, much better then Windows.

[@Retromancer_Rackham]

Considering Asus widely known anti consumer customer service and repairs policies, this is likely a terrible idea to buy one.

[@n1rvv]

Me with my Legion GO watching this video 🗿

[@Gamerlingual]

Bad reasons to get this: Windows, their customer service, Asus, their customer , and price. Especially considering what Gamers Nexus revealed about the customer service from Asus, hard pass on this handheld.

[@Denki]

Only the real ones saw my 2am brain video title 😂

[@jderrick1994]

GEOLOGIE

[@strayiggytv]

@@Denki I just read it as a misspelling of eulogy lol

[@TyyTheFlyGuy]

More expensive just for cheaper build quality. At least valve knows how to make good products, they don't even release stuff if it's not up to their standard of excellence and eat the cost of development cause no matter what they are making profit off steam through the store + microtransactions for in-game aesthetics.

[@AS1CKPANTHER]

I am upgrading to the Ally X from my Deck Oled not entirely due to performance but game compatibility like Destiny 2 and COD and The First Descendent just runs better

[@Cameron_the_Robot]

Bro, you can't even compare the two. SD is in its own league. Ally x has crap support and Asus is not a good company to invest any money into.

[@djgabedamoda]

Final Steam, Good Bye Geologie

[@Sam-Lawry]

I m still on my Powkiddy x18s...Odin2 pro and I started with emulation console portable on Archos gamepad around 15 years ago. Back then no hype,no big demand,we used phone,tablet with a bluetooth super nintendo joypad like sf30pro will do after,so the gamepad was what I looked for. I remember charging emulators,bios,roms....and the first time since childhood to play game gear...a big screen 7" and real buttons sticks...were a huge bonus. Playing old arcade..SF2...MK...Neo geo...snin...but not enough to ps1+..cave...so 1980,early 90s and gba..arcade 2D not big..that was enough to be happy...when you grew up with game boy yellowish black screen and game gear,arcades...the huge stuff were not a rolex,a 125cc...but a Neo geo aes...a Nec Turbo GT portable...they were dreams.,.perfect happiness..the purpose in life...good times even in eastern europe.

[@leophoenix1452]

The SD screen is still better lol...

[@adolfbilic8622]

No it's not. The Ally has a way better, smoother and sharper screen than the Deck OLED. I love the Deck but the Ally has a far better screen .

[@leophoenix1452]

@@adolfbilic8622 higher refresh rate does not mean its better... The ally X does not have an Oled screen...

[@Silkaire]

Fun fact a test was done and even though the ROG can run stuff better then the Deck; the Steam Deck still runs better.

[@thedegoose]

i went from a steam deck OG to an ROG Ally and i'm still glad i did, the deck is very good but the game option limitations due to anti cheat etc and launcher workarounds became annoying for me where as on the Ally i can install and play whatever i want, i guess up to a point of course due to graphical power but that is it. I loved the interface though on the deck, that is the one thing the Ally does not have but obviously it is a straight up handheld windows system but ROG have done a very nice job with the overlay they have implemented.

[@StopJerkingOff]

The rog ally is clearly the better device only broke people would disagree

[@vulpix9210]

I am sorry but no. The steamdecks controller system and touchpads just directly beat all competitors. Till other brands start copying the dual touchpad layour with steaminput. NOTHING will replace the deck.

[@strayiggytv]

Whats wild to me is so many pc bros told me me steam deck was the ultimate console. "Oh unlike your scrub sony/Nintendo garbage ill be able to upgrade my steam deck like a pc! Lol" I have yet to meet a single steam deck person that has done that. They all just treat it like any other console and nove on to the next more powerful model as soon as it comes out.

[@Drunken_Horse]

If the rumours are true and Microsoft are planning their own handheld ending the xbox I think that's it for steam decks.

[@IndubitablyRetro]

@@strayiggytv Most of us know there’s only so much you can do to the steam deck so most of those PC bros may not know what they’re talking about.

[@hoefoods]

i don’t know who you’ve been talking to but i have never heard a single “pc bro” that knows what they’re talking about ever say anything about upgrading the hardware besides the basics like SSD and component repair. steam deck was never built to be an upgradable console, valve has never even marketed it as such. it was made as a portable desktop with the convenience of being able to play your pc games as you would with a handheld console.

[@Denki]

I didn't go into detail here with microSD cards, but those working so well on the Steam Deck for running games is the reason why I've never needed to upgrade my internal storage. At least this time, the Ally X wont melt my SD card (so far)

[@strayiggytv]

@@IndubitablyRetro it's such a shame too because I was hopeful nv it would lead to more people repairing and upgrading instead of trading in but the average dude bro just buys a new one apparently. Like dudes were immediately like "when's the steam deck 2?" Right after the first one was released. I think the rapid cycle of cellphones coming out every five seconds has brain poisoned people tbh :/

[@GabTheDrummer]

I'm sorry but ROG has lost people when they decided to f them up. The way they treated those who had problems with their system is out of line. I love the steam deck and the Legion Go.

[@clovernotes4473]

Denki's videos are so aesthetic. Even when covering technology I'm not likely to get, I still watch for the vibes.

[@foulspud3258]

I learned my lesson ignoring the community shouting about the issues especially the Sd card and its horrible placement in the original. No more asus for me. Steam deck all day.

[@jontechie]

Why not Legion Go?

[@nomoreheroes1718]

I own a steam deck from when it first dropped. But Legion Go is looking badass right now. ❤

[@antoniotarin]

I use my GPD Win 4 and love it. Windows 11, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 32GB of RAM and 2TB SSD. Its glorious. I just bought the Oculink cable and PCI adapter and plan to make my own eGPU enclosure.

[@The92Waffles]

My ROG Ally X is coming today, can't wait. I've been a day 1 Deck owner but the limitations of Linux is starting to be a bother for me. Well, a huge bother

[@KORNdog1986]

Valve really needs to let you install steamOS on these things. Because windows on a handheld is an instant no-go. The lack of touch pads is also a pretty huge issue for me since i use them constabtly on the deck. Someone just needs to rip off the Steam Deck in its entirety but make it more powerful and somehow convince valve to let then install steamOS so you get all the benefits from that.

[@buivars]

Crazy to make a video like this without researching basically at all, like holy shit you can literally install Windows on the Steam Deck they literally advertise it like that

[@Jykesonville]

On the LCD model, not the OLED model. Well, technically you can, but there’s a reason nobody does it (it’s virtually unusable).

[@shahrilamirul4007]

Remember bois, Asus is notorious for having an ass of a customer service experience. They do a new revision for a device every year. Their asus rog phone only had 2 years of software update for each iteration. Meanwhile iphone and android has 6+ years of software and security updates