How I Made the Impossible Trade Between GEN2 and GEN3

[@jacobbunea3131]

Need a revamped “Longest journey a Pokemon can take” video. This is simply amazing, you actually bridged the gap

[@zigazav1]

He succeeded where both Gamefreak and Nintendo failed. That's worth something

[@JessicaEpperson]

@@zigazav1 they didn’t really fail. They decided it would be easier to start over than develop this system in a way that couldn’t brick either game. It’s impressive but let’s be realistic

[@mischievousfish]

It's a shame it's on a time limit as the 3ds Pokemon home version thingy is gonna be unavailable soon as the eShop is shutting down soon making so that if your console didn't have the app you won't be able to move things to future games

[@studionimbus2415]

@@mischievousfish they’ll probably release them all again on switch or something…$$$$

[@mischievousfish]

@@studionimbus2415 you see the problem is that you can't port the ds games over because the switch isn't made for ds games it would be like when they did the switch from the the game boy to the gba. You might have the game but you won't have your original carriage containing your pokemon.

[@AbsolBlogsPokemon]

This is one of the best things I've seen in ages!!!!! So cool to see this happening on real hardware with a real trade rather than the simple porting of Pokemon data through save editing I've seen in previous "solutions" to this. Very impressive to see all the meticulous work you put into this, including all of the consideration you put into every aspect of the data structure of the Pokemon. Fantastic job

[@00599]

glad to see Absol has already picked up on this, it is HUGE

[@jayplay8869]

What’s sad, is a fan is doing a better job than GF. This guy will probably get a visit from the Nintendo 🥷

[@Victini862]

@@jayplay8869 With how nintendo is? I don't doubt that for a second

[@jaden8923]

@@jayplay8869 tbf these are like decade old games

[@MDLuffy1234YT]

@@jaden8923 Yeah, it's reasonable to expect a company to not be so violently letigious over something so old. But according to Ninty, taking a 20 year old game is akin to going to a developer's house while they're having dinner, stealing it, eating it right in front of them, and shitting it into their mouths. Although I feel like the actual reason Ninty didn't make a transfer tool like that, having the actual source code to both the gen 2 and gen 3 games and all, would be the cost of manufacturing them at the time not being worth it given the potential customer base that would've been willing to buy it.

[@juanpablorojasalvarez6206]

Bro, is so insane that someone cared enough to make a way to legitemately trade Pokémon between gens where the written pen rule was that it wasn't possible. This shows how much love ppl have for old Pokémon games. Props to you dude, a true legend.

[@NightmareRex6]

kinda legimatly, eaither way have to modify code.

[@joshuawidener8407]

It's not a trade or legit at all. It's literally no different than using an action replay

[@unpayedovertime626]

Finally no one should suffer the nightmares of losing your hard earn Gen2 Pokemon in the transition to Gen3... I wish this existed way back in the olden days . This brings me tears of joy...

[@joshernsteen2066]

There already was a video uploaded on KZbin that explains how to successfully trade between Gen 2 and Gen 3 with showing the required items needed to be gathered as well. I did not save the video since I thought that no else would be interested in it at the time. I believe that it used a link cable and 2 GBAs.

[@lightyagami3492]

Time to get to work on my time machine to save my original gen 1 and 2 pokemon 😁😁

[@thesexybatman263]

Now you only need to worry about the cartridge's batteries dying and losing your 'mons permanently.

[@gamershadow8]

@@thesexybatman263 not if you trade them all the way ul to pokemon bank

[@Jurarigo]

Me too. So many of us lost our dearly pokes some years ago when the batteries died...

[@Ducksen]

This was something I always fantasized about as a kid. I knew it must've been possible with some programming magic. Amazing job!

[@MasamuneChad]

They likely couldn't get Nintendo to produce a device.

[@pokemontcglivebrasil3270]

@@MasamuneChad Fans do what nintendont

[@shanavalkyria3438]

i beleive by using pokemon coliseum you could do this as well

[@SparkyThePikachu100]

@@shanavalkyria3438 nope it’s gen 3 only

[@joshuawidener8407]

It was already possible on action replay

[@SebastianGMSFB]

The Transfer Chain from 1998 to 2022 (Gen 1-9) is finally known how to be possible! (1996-2022 in Japan)

[@LoreleiTuxworth]

Only for a limited time, however. Nintendo plans to drop support for Pokémon Bank at some point in the next few years.

[@SebastianGMSFB]

@@LoreleiTuxworth I am aware of that, but still thanks for the heads-up.

[@SebastianGMSFB]

@@LoreleiTuxworth true, but Nintendo Hackers will probably always find their way of implementing Nintendon't solutions in order to still keep it possible.

[@Zodiark4250]

@@LoreleiTuxworthare you speculating or there inside info about this?

[@mrrowwmeoww]

@@LoreleiTuxworth source because all i heard was nintendo saying "pokemon bank isnt shutting down when nintendo network shuts down but it may shut down at another point"

[@xINVISIGOTHx]

I get sad every time I think about my gen 1 and gen 2 cartridges and that their batteries are probably dead. I had 2 event Mews from Nintendo, with matching paper certificates

[@BrightSpark]

Nintendo/GameFreak should do a special mail-in event where you could send in the paper certificate, and get a special Mew from them in Home.

[@GingerbreadFam]

@@BrightSpark but why

[@John-Doe-Yo]

@@GingerbreadFam because they feel entitled

[@GingerbreadFam]

@@John-Doe-Yo 🤷‍♂️

[@Slowpoke-Tales]

Yea same that's why I sold mine years ago dead tech stuck in its own outdated bubble universe.

[@Laotraregion93]

May your event Celebi rest in peace knowing that no more gen 2 mon will need to endure his fate. Seriously, I loved the step by step explanation. This was such a cool project!

[@Brewski007]

This means hypothetically you could bring MissingNo. On the trip of a lifetime, I’m sure he gets changed into another Pokémon as an error handler but it’s the thought that counts!

[@ThatVulcan]

It would be grand if one of the extremely glitchy pokemon from Gen 1 were thrown into Gen 2 and then so forth, utilizing the Johto Guard glitch to get them over. Technically the PokeStar Studios "actors" are also pokemon, so I'd love to see something with them as well, as they operate very similarly to other placeholder glitches in the series such as MissingNo, ??, and the satanic mess that is Gen 4's glitch pokemon. Showcase that double Watergun in Generation 8 lmfao

[@NefosG]

Since Missingno would have a Pokemon ID with a range of 1 byte (0~255), I'd assume he'd remain glitched only if he had ID 0, since 252~255 maps with the starters of gen 3.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Doesn't Gen-2 literally have a system to prevent glitch pokémon from being transfered over? Honestly, thank god because then Gen 2 would be caught up in Gen 1's mess

[@NefosG]

@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 You're right, but since the video is about hacking the trading system, it could be possible with the right change in the check/communication protocol. In gen 2, pkmn 0, 252, 253, 254 and 255 are glitched (can be obtained via GameShark).

[@tupacshakur5868]

Im very sure you could trade between gen 2 and gen 3 with pokemon collosseum

[@stardust2360]

It's crazy how trading between foreign games (ex: Japanese and PAL games) can corrupt the game, but this works. Absolutely incredible.

[@mysticalquilava]

@@vlc-cosplayer with the Pokémon games I think the issue is about language, not region. But people confuse language with region because to them they are the same thing in games. So yeah you are right but the issue occurs because for example a German or English or French copy of the game doesn’t have the ability to store Japanese characters and words and vice versa

[@KopperNeoman]

It's because Gen 1 and 2 had different opcodes between Jap/Kor and International versions despite being netplay compatible. Trading between versions with the same opcodes resulted in mojibake, but no corruption.

[@weegee011]

As others have said, I’d totally be in the market for one of these transfer tools. Impressive work!

[@clavedeluz3044]

@@oveja9975 Same!!

[@straubulous9511]

Ditto! I'll buy today

[@straubulous9511]

Also sub'd

[@Callm3Sleeves]

Same!

[@Xzeronomous]

I need me one x.x i'll pay too

[@Exponaut_R-01]

It’s a glorious thought imagining your very first starter in Red/Blue being transferrable to the latest games now.

[@hansmoleman2666]

That would be a cruel fate for them, not even HM Slave Bibarel deserves to be subjected to life in a Switch PKMN game.

[@chomik172]

​​@@hansmoleman2666Damn, what a roast towards the poor switch games I agree, though...

[@goldman77700]

@@hansmoleman2666 Archived this for my list of Switch Poké Burns.

[@alexkuhn1904]

Congratulations! You've made it into several news articles and Facebook is recommending you as one of the top gaming news articles at the moment!

[@KingLarbear]

Yes, please sell your invention because people world wide have waited 20 years for this

[@jonniefast]

much better than the hacked 3ds , mega memorycard, and injection method

[@G_Dubbed]

@@KingLarbear you trying to get this guy sued 🤣 no it won't happen legally

[@Lokear]

@@G_Dubbed Maybe a tutorial on how to make it yourself if you have the skills and the materials?

[@nicklespale22]

Its pokemon! what'd you expect?😂 If there's anything these gaming news folks think people will flock to, it's something everybody knows all too well.

[@Marmersfarket]

This is absolutely incredible and a huge game changer for Pokémon as a whole. I'm sure this must have taken lots of trial and error to get to work properly and probably felt amazing once it did work. Great work! I hope to see a more finalized product in the future whenever you'd be confident enough to share and sell to the public.

[@Lucifronz]

It's not really that much of a game-changer, though. It would be *far* simpler to just get a VC copy and a tool to read your cartridge. Then you just put the save data there and, voila, completely valid and official copy of your Pokemon, complete with hidden ability and several perfect IVs to boot. I suppose if you really wanted to bring them from Generations 3 and onwards, this would be preferable, but I would never personally do this because the services are bound to put a limitation on that someday. Like how you can only have a Mew with very specific OTs transferred and so on. It's just one reason why when I started replaying all of the games more or less in order (on Ultra Moon right now), I made a point to only get Pokemon I could actually legitimately obtain some way, rather than hacking or editing Pokemon for fun, as I didn't want to get attached to something that I couldn't bring into the Switch games because of some technicality.

[@joemomma2218]

It wouldve been game changing, but unfortunately, it's 2022. Everyone who's first games were gens 1 and 2 have lost those pokemon long ago because of how the games were tied to the internal battery. If this was perfected and time travel was possible, you'd have a point.

[@cubedplaza3413]

@@joemomma2218 only gen 2, the gen 1 battery life is much greater, with the max being around 40 years. And even then there are both pokemon stadium 1&2 (N64) and pokemon box (GC) that stored them externally.

[@Saroku1000]

@@cubedplaza3413 Pokémon Box isn't needed as the Gen3 games already use flash storage and don't need a battery.

[@PetyrC90]

Bro, it is just literal bytes changing in a processor. You can always "tranfer" them by hacking and changing information inside the save

[@EvilMike349]

I'm definitely not as into Pokemon as I was back in Gen 3, but this is an incredible milestone that I never imagined could be reached. Out here making history, my dude!

[@joshuawidener8407]

Milestone? He didn't do anything that action replayers weren't already doing

[@numberoneappgames]

I would totally buy a completed transfer tool from you. 💜

[@TheChilianTrasHers]

Me too please sell it !

[@TheConuresrule]

How much? I'm serious, I need it.

[@digsducks]

I’ll take one too! Even just the parts. I can assemble it myself

[@t0xx_tv]

100% would love to add to my pokemon collection.

[@_the0takuo4_33]

Hell yeah me too!

[@tekayo63]

I'd love to see this bringing up a Gen 1 'mon to Gen 8. It won't have the GB mark in Gen 8 of course, but it'll be a lot more impressive than the VC method.

[@gladoseon4117]

I imagine the symbol would be super glitchy, and if it’s broken enough, it could lead to a Missingno effect. I would love to see the effects you could get if it were like that.

[@thetechconspiracy2]

You may be able to give it the GB mark, since it seems to be based on the game origin value. That is, if you can get it through the Gen 4 and 5 transfers, and the stricter checks of Pokemon Bank.

[@kalebb9983]

@@gladoseon4117For Games Like Diamond, Black, Emerald, before X and Y, there weren't any at all so I assume it'd be the same

[@GILLIGFAN]

Wow dude… There’s a time you and your invention woulda been the heroes we needed and deserved. Cheers to you mate!

[@FarawayBrawlHacks]

You've made my 16-year-old-self dream come true! Gen 2 had a special place in my heart and I was absolutely heartbroken when I got my Gen 3 game and realized I couldn't trade my Pokémon... Good job!

[@Mutty99]

This is breathtaking. Probably in the future an open-source way will be out for everyone to use, but seeing it for the first time is surreal.

[@mstryker1446]

History was made here... Btw, my suggestion when it comes to the Nature is to make them based on the highest and lowest stat: for example, if the pokémon lowest stat is the Sp. Atk and highest is the Atk, then it should be an Adamant pokémon, so atleast the player who receives the pokémon benefits from it. Tho the Pokébanka had its own official way to apply a nature, I think depending on the last two digits of the exp... The ability maybe should random, so at least if you don't get the desirable ability, just trade back to the old games and then trade back to the newer ones for a new roll of the value. Excelent video regardless

[@joshuawidener8407]

History? We've already had this since release in action replay. This isn't a trade so it's nothing new or special

[@reasonablewalk4982]

Seeing that red Gyarados in gen 3 literally made me tear up 🥲 count me as in line for your device!!!! This is brilliant!

[@HawkingsCt]

Have you considered making your project open source? I would love to be able to have a look at the code!

[@soepicgames]

IT MAKES me think nintendo lied to us when they said it couldnt be done when in reality's they simply wanted to make money

[@Mernom]

​@@soepicgamesas was said, a lot of data is lost for the Pokémon being sent down to Gen 2. They put in a lot of effort to make those trades reversible, so they made the decision to sacrifice the first 2 gens in favor of overhauling the Pokémon data systems.

[@soepicgames]

@Mernom but alot of had Pokémon that had m9ve that would dominate the current generation I had a meganiuim with over 1000hp and a mew with 999atk no game shark i trained hard with them.

[@charginginprogresss]

@@Mernom This also applies for gen 2 to 1, and 4 to 3. But they made them anyway. Silly and useless excuse.

[@chromiumbook-marx4417]

@@soepicgames no you didn't, kid, why lie about something that is so easily verifiable?

[@slashLTU]

Your knowledge is fascinating. To be able to create a microchip that can allow this communication is amazing. You are like a superhero. Massive respect

[@FranciscoMoreno-xo6ed]

I just sat and watched someone make my oldest dreams a reality. I actually agreed with all of your subsitutions for newer data since I could tell you were a real fan. Love this.

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

8:20 wow leafgreen got scammed giving their shiny mon. Jokes aside incredible work on that trading device. Whether or not you decide to sell it, it's just neat to see the process detailed in this vid.

[@fullriver1234]

This is so incredible. It would be cool if transferring them all the way to gen 7 gave them a hidden ability and the virtual console versions' game boy mark, but I imagine that's not possible.

[@necrozma4029]

The physical equivalent of finding the Regis back in the RSE days without any guide... I'm truly impressed.

[@eden_on_youtube]

And the things you needed to do were ultimately specific too, as the cherry on the cake.

[@faiz3193]

How exactly trainer did it back in the day? Is there any npc in the game that give hint ? Im curious with this thing since I only catch all Regis with guide.

[@necrozma4029]

@@faiz3193 i have no idea lmao

[@goku_jerome1732]

@@faiz3193 probably somebody saw a guide in a magazine or something and word of mouth was how it spread

[@necrozma4029]

@Ravel Navarro did it?? i never had one of those

[@TastyBusiness]

This is mighty impressive. I may not have played anything beyond Gen 1, but I really can see the fun in doing this for those who enjoy games on both sides of the Gen 2/3 divide.

[@mr.awesome6011]

This is incredible. While I have no use for something like this as I no longer have my old Gameboy's and games, it's still great to see something from my past that was considered impossible be made possible.

[@Voxridian]

This is an astounding development after 20 years! The fact you made a physical device to work the connection to make this possible with original games (not digitally emulated games) is amazing! I hope devices like these eventually become available to players

[@nicklespale22]

7:08 I've studied practically everything tbere is in trading pokemon when it comes to the emulator gba outside of looking at any actual code, and thats gotta be the most annoying part of the multiplayer connectivety of the game boy, the timeout. There's a decent lack of community efforts on the multiplayer gba emulator scene, and it doesn't surprise when you find out the ways in which it was made to connect

[@Zei33]

That’s a sad misunderstanding of what he’s actually doing here. He’s not reading any code. He’s reading physical data being sent from each device. Then converting it and forwarding the conversion from the microcontroller.

[@nicklespale22]

@@Zei33 there's nothing sad about it. There's also no such thing as physical data you can read without it being converted through some sort of programming language or in other words code. Most people here just don't understand how it works but the modules use conversion codes to change the data stored by inputs from one format to another. In a sense he's looking into the conversion code but really by just tweaking its settings. Granted I believe it's alot harder to edit data transfer protocols through physical components than virtual ones, what I'm saying is we don't have enough people in the community who actually study flash memory data to write those wiki articles like the mega nerds who did the work for him on these games (props to them) or in this case, him who bothered to use that code to his advantage and manage to tweak the transfer method. Through hardware which is especially impressive. However, seeing this video I was surprised no one had done it by now. Especially in emulators case. The farthest I was able to get was finding out No$GBA could run both gba and ds cartridges simultaneously, and it still can't do the job of any conversion.

[@gregoryrodriguez5621]

PizzaBoy for Android works really well for multi-player GBA games

[@ketchup901]

@@nicklespale22 Yes data structures and protocols are technically "code" according to one definition of the word just like Morse code is code. But usually code refers to the code that the program was written in.

[@the_darkborne5440]

That was one of the coolest things I have ever seen! Legitimately. I wish I had that so I could have saved all those gen 1 and 2 pokemon.. Just knowing it is possible is enough for now! Thank you for doing such incredible work.

[@DatKrayon]

Would be interesting to see how future proof these pokemon are, like if they encounter any oddities when transferred up to like gen 5

[@Rayuzx]

It will probably get stopped when transferring to Gen 6, because that's when they start having fraud detection, especially due to the Pokémon having unused indexes for their origin games, neitherless giving a Pokémon that doesn't originate Pokémon from Collosum/XD the national ribbon (the only way to obtain one is to be a purified shadow Pokémon). There were already a handful of ways to import Gen 1 & 2 Pokémon into Gen 3, but they all get stopped in Gen 6 due to them not passing the intricate security checks.

[@matespritship]

@@Rayuzx that's really odd. I have a fraudulent shiny skuntank from one of my friends originally in gen 5 and have had no issues transferring it all the way up to SwSh

[@lawtonadams4235]

You can easily get it to gen 8 the biggest issue would only be if you can use it online or not

[@matespritship]

@@lawtonadams4235 oh okay, that makes sense!

[@Rayuzx]

@@matespritship You can get hacked Pokémon into Bank/Home, the thing is just that you need to do a handful of extra steps to make it come off a legitimate (it's an open secret that tons of people hack in their Pokémon for competitive play). To put story short, there are a handful of checks and values that the game's servers looks for to make sure the Pokémon is legitimately caught, and your friend probably did on purpose by accident all the requirements to make the Pokémon valid. Meanwhile, the guy on the video has his Gyarados come from a game that doesn't exist, holding a ribbon no Gyarados can legitimately hold, which would easily raise a ton of red flags, making said Gyardos unable to be transferred into Bank/Home, and thus stuck in the Gen 5 games tops.

[@binarystork7006]

Ever since I was a little kid I wanted to be able to trade over my generation one Pokémon and I was so let down when I couldn't. I genuinely hope that you make this into a product that we can buy some day. Because this is an essential piece of hardware that I think every game collector or Pokémon fan for that matter would desire

[@wolfetteplays8894]

And hopefully he’ll make a transfer device for gens 5 -> 6 and 7 -> 8 as well, because bank/transporter will inevitably shut down

[@ValunarTonix]

@@wolfetteplays8894 bank and transporter are free to use as of March 27/28 depending on timezone. While yes, they'll probably shut down sometime, too, I think we'll be able to use it for a couple more years.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@ValunarTonix I know, I know, I’m just planning ahead… you know, in case nintendo doesn’t write 20 lines of code to make X&Y able to receive transfers from Black 2/White 2

[@malkarththebear]

You absolutely blown my mind with this! Excellent job!

[@BigRigCreates]

Amazing project! The only thing i fear is adding the location as gold/silver/crystal will flag it as an “illegal pokemon” when you try to send it to poke bank or pokemon home

[@Goppier]

If this turns out to be an issue then I can change it to FireRed or Emerald and see if that works better. GEN4 didn't have an issue with it at least

[@BigRigCreates]

@@Goppier Gen 4 and 5 should be fine. Its the online service that I predict will block most / all of these trades.

[@nicklespale22]

As someone who's been waiting for a way to legitimately complete emerald on the gba emu, I've waited for a study on something like this 7:50 from someone who knows what they're doing for a LONG time 🙂 Thank you kind sir. You're doing great work here!

[@Thanatoast250]

Incredible work, man. This is probably one of the coolest things I've seen in this community and just goes to show how far fans will go to hold onto their Pokemon. The only thing i think that holds this thing back from being able to be used with standard folks (aside from it being a custom piece) is that the National Ribbon, while fitting, unfortunately makes it noticeable as an illegitimate Pokemon: only certain Pokemon from Colosseum and Gale of Darkness could earn the National Ribbon. This is an easy enough fix though: by giving the Pokemon the Effort Ribbon, which is normally given for maxing out EVs but EVs can be reset, and the ribbon is for "exceptionally hard workers", this would make the Pokemon legitimate when traded over to Pokemon Bank.

[@MortisMedia]

This is honestly amazing! I have to wonder what happens if you transfer the Pokémon up though the games and put it into Pokémon Home. That would be VERY interesting! I would assume that you would probably just need to remove the purification ribbon from XD & Colosseum if it wasn't available as a shadow Pokémon. Seriously though, your effort is unmatched

[@Slowpoke-Tales]

Please do this bro would love to see!

[@phantomkrel2374]

Would probably still fail home hack checks

[@masterhack5767]

It would fail to get passed poke transporter check

[@David-cz9ej]

@@masterhack5767 why though? the stats seem legit.

[@TheFluBugZ]

@@David-cz9ej As long as stats and shiny locks aren't in conflict it'll send.

[@briansilva3344]

This is beautiful! My brother and I originally bought Pokemon Colossum because we thought that was the key to connect the Gen 2 and 3 generation of games. We thought that because we saw the Johto pokemon in there and thought it had to be the case. We were wrong, but it still was a fun game.

[@Giopacri]

You made possible what we all hoped for as children, a huge gift for all of us, thank you so much

[@lunareclipse2553]

The lack of this feature was the reason I got out of Pokémon back then. You’re incredible!

[@jonniefast]

i too was devastated gen 3 broke everyones hearts

[@notscorchingsands9718]

@@jonniefast I remember not caring lol

[@jonniefast]

@@notscorchingsands9718 i almost didnt return

[@notscorchingsands9718]

That is not a good reason but funny.

[@jonniefast]

@@notscorchingsands9718 kills your team from the start of the franchise? i transferred from red to gold to crystal i had attatchment to the team 🥹🥺

[@evanmainord1043]

Minor fun fact: You can use two GBA link cables together as a single GB link cable. The GBA link cable is designed so one end functions as Player 1, and all others listen to that. Plugging both P1 ends into the connectors on each other effectively makes both ends "listeners", which is how the GB cable functions.

[@Witcherkowal]

How would you do this? Aren't all ending on GBA link male?

[@DarkAthanar]

@@Witcherkowal Yes, but they have a little box in the middle for connecting multiple cables together for games up to 4 players. You connect the 1st-player end of both cables into each other's extension boxes.

[@Witcherkowal]

@@DarkAthanar By extension box you mean the hole in the GBA, right? Just trying to picture it, I still have the GBA cable at my family home so I'd like to try it sometime :D

[@Witcherkowal]

@@DarkAthanar Ok, now I get it, thanks. Unfortunately I think I had (have) some 4-way sort premade GBA cable, to link up to 4 players. And it was black-ish. So I think it unfortunately is probably made so that it has players 1, 2, 3 and 4 already assigned to each end of the cable.

[@KopperNeoman]

Something I discovered on my own back in the day with naught but a child's understanding of master/slave networking.

[@samiralae9739]

this was so cool to watch, always amazed by what people can create from things they love

[@SunsetArchon]

This is a massive breakthrough in the history of Pokémon! The journey continues unimpeded!

[@pablodiamante]

Fascinating! Congratulations on such incredible achievement. It's also moving how much passion for these kind of projects Pokemon has sparked over all these years

[@LordQuintix]

You have indeed accomplished the impossible! My applause to you for this wonderful event!

[@sakurawillows8364]

THE GEN TWO TO THREE THING INFURATED ME AS A CHILD! I grew up with Crystal, favorite game of all childhood[except breath of fire but that's besides the point], and was SHOCKED to see the transfers not be possible. Because you just COULDN'T go and transfer from the early games up anymore. They were heavily limited, and it HURT.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

It’s hard to blame them because they thought the series would die quickly after Gold/Silver released… but still, it doesn’t make it any less hard 😢

[@daniel_rossy_explica]

@@wolfetteplays8894 Nintendo could have made an adapter like he did. It didn't seem that hard. Of course, it wouldn't sell very well, but I bet many people would buy it because of that frustation.

[@VGMoose]

Very cool! I'm glad you randomized the personality value using the IVs as a seed, that's a lot better than what was "officially" done in the 3DS VC -> Gen 7 transfers.

[@valkyrasonara1797]

What do you mean with officially done? How does it work on the VC?

[@Shinygati]

That's arguable, what about shinies? they will be so limited to what nature they can get.

[@Shinygati]

@Mr JH At the end of the day it's all just bytes of data.. it's the exact same thing regardless of the method.. as even this solution has to generate a PID that didn't exist, keeping iv's and other data similar does not = the same pokemon it still gets modified and then deleted from the original game and if you want to get technical what we have are basically clones from the original game and never the same pokemon no matter how you go about it.

[@Shinygati]

@Mr JH 3 IV's is not just for VGC players, i don't even play competitive and i still prefer better IV's than the trash random ones we used to get.

[@Anarkkie]

I would definitely purchase this if it were available. Amazing work.

[@NICK19ATTACK]

Amazing video, this would also open up possibilities for shiny hunters who would otherwise lose trasured Gen 2 shinies which would inevitably all be erased the instant the battery dies or is removed from the cartridge, crazy job you've done homie. Massive props to you seriously, keep up the great work

[@pepeuam]

Simple and amazing as someone on the field of IT its beautiful, since almost every single enginner could be able to do something like that, but no one (as far as I know) had the idea to do it. Isn't about code or chips, is about how you thought and your imagination, you're amazing!

[@ImTheBatchMan]

I'm so impressed by this project! I've been playing since gen 1, and the hard block between gen 2 and 3 has always been a frustration of mine. I'm also a SWE and I've done some GBA programming, so this was so much fun to watch from a technical perspective! Keep up the amazing work

[@gengarvenom1180]

Thank you for making this video. Pokemon being unable to move from gen 1 and 2 to gen tree was probably the original dexit controversy. Honestly just glad to have them on the tree ds. I hope I can play them again on the switch or whatever console comes out next year.

[@JustAGuyWhoCodes]

This is an incredible feat! I never thought that something like this would be achieved. This video needs to blow up

[@SquidPartyDude]

13:25 Text: *I AM A APPROVED BULBASUAR*

[@Chiken]

This is seriously one of the coolest videos that’s ever come up on my recommended feed. REAL trades between gen 2-3. They said it couldn’t be done. Thank you for documenting what you did in the form of this video! Is there ANY chance I could buy one? Do you plan on selling these in the future?

[@DrJIMMI]

I also would like to know the same, I would buy a few of these for friends as well!

[@africanamericanwargreymon6341]

The guy is just liking comments without clarifying ANYTHING. Will he make a kit? Will he not make a kit? You won't know because all he does is likes comments. He clearly has enough time to find your comment and like it after all these months but he won't grace you with an answer. I strongly dislike jackholes like that

[@tobiasreittinger9770]

I would like to have the opportunity to buy one as well!

[@africanamericanmetalgaruru550]

Chicken he had the audacity to like your comment but not grâce you with an actual response. He's just a narcissist looking to build his ego with views and mentally and literally Jack off to praise

[@GladDestronger]

well nintendo probably never wanted to try to get it done.

[@mrfippi]

I was extremely excited to see this pop up on Hackaday! I've been working on the same project on my own and am half way through reverse engineering the Gen 3 protocol; i'm using an ESP32 with a custom-built hat. What are the chances you have your code available for us to look at? There's plenty I could learn from you. Well done regardless!!

[@Goppier]

@fippi Thanks! I'm not ready to release stuff like that at the moment. I plan to release documentation at some point, but I don't know when since my free time is limited. I wish you good luck on your project!

[@rubberduck2216]

If you ever decide to sell these I'm interested. Please and thank you

[@MattiaRaffaldi]

Please both of you don't keep this for yourself, open source these project and give them to the community, the world need this.

[@Goppier]

​ @Mattia Raffaldi At the moment this version is just very proof of concept and not something that's really worth selling or worth releasing all the code of of it at the moment. It's something I made pretty quickly in order to see if I was able to make it all work. I just want to work a bit more on it, do more testing and clean up the code overall before it's all ready to be sold or released in my eyes. I don't want to release something that is only half done.

[@rubberduck2216]

Hi it's me again do you guys have any updates on this. I'm still interested if you be willing to sell these please let Me know much appreciated.

[@JSnakeRepair]

You are such an incredible credit to the community, and your work always impresses. The way you outline and articulate information and thought process is equally impressive...and further begs the question, why this wasn't done sooner? I watched everything in this video and understood everything. I feel I could even reproduce the process described and create my own board given enough time. Did you study Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, or Computer Engineering at school? the sheer amount of tools and skills required to accomplish this spans numerous disciplines...Circuit Design, PCB design, Soldering (possibly even hot air) and wire splicing, signal and waveform analysis, Software Development, flashing silicon chips (embedded development), and core computer science principles. It's just a lot to take in...I hope your day job pays well.

[@Goppier]

I studied electrical engineering with a minor in embedded systems. That has definitely helped a lot to gain the knowledge to do this hahah

[@harv612]

I love videos like this. High value entertainment and education. Its so neat to hear your commentary on the whole process and a little bit of your thought process along the way. Particularly thinking of what pkmn the viewer would potentially like to see in that of the Red Gyarados. Well done man. 10/10

[@ZerkerPL]

Absolutely incredible, the world needs more people like you!

[@Zei33]

There are tons and tons of people like him. Any skilled programmer with an interest in electrical engineering or vice versa is capable of this. The trickiest thing he did was design his own PCB, which programmers might struggle with. It’s not easy, but there’s no shortage of people capable of doing this project.

[@ChaotixBR]

Man, you can transfer pokemon from your cartridges to the 3DS. It is possible, I saw a girl doing it. Basically you dump your save file from the castridge to a pc and them copy the save on a 3ds gen game, simple.

[@hellschancer]

Oh my god dude 😆 you have literally just made every OG pokemon fan from all these years want to do this.. this literally should be a real thing that can be bought the amount of people who were gutted when finding out they couldn't trade between gen 1 & 2 & gen 3, you've literally just made a reality xD I look forward to see a video from gen 1 starter or mewtwo all the way to gen 8, if you can achieve this you my friend are a genius 😎

[@MafiaCow01]

Dude, this is so cool! As an aside, I've heard that the inability to trade between gen 2 and gen 3 games is a big reason that FireRed and LeafGreen were actually made, so that people would have a way to obtain Pokémon from previous generations that can't be found in Ruby Sapphire Emerald.

[@vard1865]

Is crazy how the lack of communication between Gen 2 and Gen 3 snowballed into 4 whole generations getting remakes

[@daniel_rossy_explica]

Yes but you have to 1) buy the 2 games, 2) recatch all the mons, 3) finish the games so you can catch the gen2 mons, and only then 4) trasfer everything to your gen3 games. It is way too much to do if you already had all the mons in your gen2 games.

[@CreezyM]

I think I’ll just upload them to Bank😅. The effort you put into this though is incredible!

[@sensenmann3000]

How does this not have millions of views, this is so. fucking. awesome!

[@Goppier]

I'm already happy with the 2k views it has gotten the last few days! It's been a good motivator to work on my next few projects!

[@sensenmann3000]

@@Goppier like what? 🤔

[@sensenmann3000]

Genuinely curious ;)

[@Goppier]

​@@sensenmann3000 I've been working on a couple things! Main video project right now is similar to the Mirage Island video. This time it's about designing your own BOX Wallpaper and the algorithm behind it. I’m also working on some other videos similar to Mirage Island, but they’re still in planning/research. I’ve also made a redesign of the PCB I made in this video, so that it will support my future projects like for example making a connection with the Wireless Adapter and connecting to the GameCube. I’ve ordered samples and this will arrive in late January. The next project with this PCB will be about making a trade between a Japanese Crystal and an English Crystal. There is a comment thread talking about it on this video. This was never possible either, so I’m trying to make it work properly as well. The Japanese cartridge arrived earlier this week, so it’s time to start working on this soon! These are the main things I’ve been working on. There are many more projects in my head, but they are just ideas for now. I don’t know when these projects will be finished, but you’ll find out when I release a new video!

[@sensenmann3000]

@@Goppier That sounds awesome, looking forward to it

[@ZyFinProductions]

Holy smokes, this is amazing! I've been on this big gen 3 kick as of late, and this made me wanna try changing my emerald battery! Baby steps for now, I wanna make it to your level :]

[@spongeb27]

Yeah this is absolutely insane, amazing work bro

[@tigerstar35]

You need to bring a Fissure machamp and give it No guard. This would be competitively game breaking

[@ZoofyZoof]

That doesn't work

[@Bruhcation]

@@ZoofyZoof actually it may be possible because from gen 3 you could transfer it until gen 6 where you can get a ability capsule to change the ability, but to transfer it all the way to gen 8 until pokemon bank shuts down, though it’s uncertain

[@ZoofyZoof]

@@Bruhcation No, I mean it's literally impossible, GameFreak thought of this. If Machamp has No Guard, it's not allowed to have Fissure on it. If it has Fissure, it's not allowed to have No Guard. You have to hack that in

[@Slimeonian]

@@ZoofyZoof with the device in this video it would be possible tho. Get a Machamp in Gen 1, teach it Fissure, trade it to gen 2, then trade it again to gen 3, where it will then gain an ability. Even if the Machamp gets Guts instead of No Guard, you could trade it to gen 4, then 5, then 6 and give it an ability capsule, then boom you have a No Guard Fissure Machamp. The only reason it’s not possible right now is cause any Pokémon from the virtual console that gets put into Pokémon Bank will always have their hidden abilities. But hidden abilities didn’t exist until Gen 5, so Machamp wouldn’t get it’s hidden ability if you traded it to Gen 3

[@estabravo]

@@Slimeonian weren’t hidden abilities introduced in gen 5 as dreamworld abilities or was that something else?

[@boks93]

That is actually insane dude! Huge congrats on this amazing project and how you managed to get it done. This could also be really helpful for any shiny hunters in the original 2nd Gen games to savely secure that their shinies will never just fade away on a dead battery. This comes from personal experience from me, because I found a shiny Pidgeotto, a shiny Kingler and a shiny Skarmory in my years and years of playing Pokémon Gold Version. They most probably don't exist anymore, but with your device I could have traded them to my Leaf Green and kept them forever. Crazy how this is possible!

[@burdanglarul]

Another amazing proyect, i've always wondered if it was possible to trade between gen 2 and 3, seeing it in realtime must've been a unique experience. Nicely done !

[@StormSurfer7]

This is exactly what I was expecting and hoping for

[@tahucu]

This is a love letter for all the kids that now are adults that losed every pokemon they captured in the 90´s and wanted to move them to gen 3 and when they found out they couldnt were depresed for a whole summer, great job really would love to have one of this module, hopefully some day that dream could be achieved, thanks for show us that this desire could be possible.

[@MBEG89]

Damn this wouldve been incredible 20 years ago. I didnt have anything special but wouldve loved to get my blastoise transfered, and then the feraligatr, umbreon and lugia from gold. I recently replayed the virtual console version of both games just for this reason.

[@syrryan]

Like so many others here, I would be willing to buy the accessory from you. I have no technical skill when it comes to this. So I would simply pay someone to do the software and hardware so I could just plug in and trade. Please let us know if you are willing to do anything like that! Amazing man!

[@Goppier]

Thanks! I wasn't expecting many people to be interested haha. I'll look into it in the coming weeks and hopefully update you all soon

[@AceMcCrank]

@@Goppier We are all looking forward to this.

[@user-bc1kp1sl2e]

Any updates on selling this!? Please (:

[@KingVulpes]

Same here

[@sinnystyles6604]

Lots of interest, I think! I have personally been re-discovering my journeys by playing the original games in Japanese until I make it back up to current gen. Gen 2 was always my favorite and in my current Crystal playthrough on cart, I've had a bit of a story develop. Since I'm playing in Japanese and *painfully, slowly* learning some Hiragana & Katakana as I go, a lot of things can be confusing. I was doing the clone method to get all 3 starters, as anyone who wants to complete the Pokedex in these games does. However, I also wanted to color swap my trainer sprite. After finally attaining all 3 starters successfully, I realized I had set my clock to the wrong time. There is a button combination to reset this, which is also similar to deleting all save data. ....I deleted all of my progress, by mistake. So after that, I figured I would just soft reset until I got a trainer ID I liked and just keep that as my cool thing. It was Friday 13th, around 3am (honestly it probably was 3:13 am I really wouldn't be surprised) and I finally got one I liked! My ID is 33313. Pretty damn crazy considering the context. HOWEVER. I accidentally chose the male trainer. Guess Friday the 13th struck, after all. Anyway I'm now playing the game as normal and it's awesome. Chose to stick with it. I love Crystal so much. But now every single Pokemon I catch is so much more special to me. They all carry that insanely unique trainer ID on that fateful Friday the 13th. I am planning on transferring my 'mons to Pokemon Stadium 2 so I can preserve them but really, if something like your super cool device was available- I'd opt for that in a heartbeat. It'd mean so much and be such an impossible leap under normal circumstance that I'd probably pay for the device even with the fine print that says "this is a fan made 3rd party device that cannot be responsible for any lost stuff!" So yah. If you choose to read this, thank you! It honestly sounds like some messed up creepypasta but it's real. I was thinking about uploading a small video about it but I DO have pictures if you were curious! ^-^

[@derermisch]

In one of my projects I got to the point of reading the .sav data of gen1 and writing out all party pokemon to clean .json, I thought that was pretty cool but THIS is on another level! Great work. Man, imagine being able to use 1 cable (with multiple adapters) to transfer pokemon from any pokemon game (/console) to one central point. Maybe a custom poke-bank or something. This could even be its own hardware, like with a screen where you can see and manage your pokemon boxes. I now I'm dreaming, but this was inspiring! :D

[@passbyicecube]

This will be one of my fav yt video, ever. Transfering gen1-2 pokemon to above 3 will always be something special that I wished I could do.

[@QuentinMatthysBoeckmansYJ]

Amazing project ! You did everything gamefreak couldn't all by yourself ! Congratulations

[@greggv8]

Now how about a video showing trading a Pokemon all the way from Gen 1 to the latest, and all the way from the latest back to Gen 1?

[@KingLarbear]

You can't trade down, you can only trade up unless you use pokemon gen 2 in virtual console and somehow reverse engineer this

[@jonniefast]

right? lol have you played ANY of the games? its always been a one way trip 🥺

[@mrb692]

@@jonniefast You could trade from GSC to RBY if the Pokémon could exist in the original games (no new Pokémon or moves)

[@jonniefast]

@@mrb692 anything newer 3>4 4>5 etc bank pal parl etc = one way trip

[@liamwhite3522]

You can at least trade all the way up. Gen 1 and 2 interact easily enough, this tool to enable GBC to GBA communication, pal park to get to the DS era, various trade methods to get along to gen 5, 6, 7, and 8, then Pokemon Home to send the 'mon into the Gen 1 Virtual Console games.

[@sakureon]

Woah...After hearing about the Gameboy player for the Gamecube, I was wondering if a transfer between gens 2 and 3 was possible. My idea was that a gen 1 or 2 cartridge could be put in the Gameboy player and then connect to Pokémon Box for the Gamecube and have the Pokémon transferred to the Box so that it can then be put in a Gen 3 game, similar to how the Virtual Console games can communicate with Pokémon Bank. I was only imagining that to be a one way transfer, but you went the extra mile and made them backwards compatible! That was so awesome to watch!

[@Goppier]

The Pokémon Box idea sounds like something that Nintendo should've done! It is really sad that Nintendo never made this possible back in the day.

[@ComicBooksvsTheWorld]

Currently replaying my gen 3 games to get a living dex, and loving that you managed to get something like this working! Have you given any more thought to selling these?

[@elpotato1226]

I would pay a pretty penny for one of these on god

[@Goppier]

Currently making a little update video about it all. In short there are still things I would like to add/develop before it's ready for release

[@Newyevon2]

@@Goppier im down to buy one of these as well

[@isuckedsatanoffforaciggare4563]

time to sell a kidney to buy this when you release it.

[@onechristian1]

This is literally the coolest thing I've seen in ages, well done!

[@alondite3318]

Ok you can't just show us this amazing adapter you've made along with all the coding you've done and NOT offer to sell it lol. I'm serious you have to make this available.

[@bravelybeginner4967]

i really like your use of Danganronpa music and man its feels Kind of unreal to See this trade. Thank you so much for your hard work.

[@kimimoons]

I knew it! I've been playing Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc for the first time, so the music is freshly stuck in my brain. XD

[@bend7726]

It's incredible how you have even got this to work, it's a massive step forward!

[@joshc7154]

Great work. On the next version, it would be good to see the natures generated deterministically based on DVs so that natures could be preserved when hopping to gen 2 and back.

[@Goppier]

It's currently pseudorandom with the DVs as a seed, so the personality value (and the nature in turn) will be the same each time

[@joshc7154]

@@Goppier Amazing!

[@Kmn483]

As someone who played gens 1-4, the lack of transfer from 2 to 3 was extremely upsetting as a child. I still have my gen 3 mon from my first ruby playthrough safely stored in Diamond. But I never saved my gen 1 & 2 pokemon (which I later traded those games in).

[@LeonOwO]

what a fantastic video, genuinely retro modders are some of the most insane people on this platform

[@Mrperson0]

1:15 "But you're not able to send over the Pokemon from these old cartridges" Unless you back up their saves (with a GB cart reader) and import them into their 3DS Virtual Console counterparts (homebrew)! Still, that method goes from Gen 1/2 -> 7, so having a method to go to Gen 3 is pretty awesome!

[@Goppier]

Yeah that's true. I personally think it's a bit too much of a hassle to transfer them over like that. I wanted something more "plug and play". I also just wanted them in GEN3 and GEN4, because those are my favourite gens

[@ferdinandoph]

Are you planning on releasing the source code? I think your project could be combined with stacksmashing's adapter!

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Wow, I never realised this step wasn’t possible. I’m kinda surprised! But good job for sorting it out!

[@marcboidude4976]

Would you be willing to share the code and how-to please? I'd love to trade between these :O

[@NerdProbably]

My only question is: What if the Gen 3 side had a Gen 3 exclusive pokemon. Like, for example, a zigzagoon?

[@Lokear]

In another thread, they said it shows up as Ditto on the gen 2 end, and if selected, it just auto-cancels the trade.

[@Joeyseph]

@@Lokear Ah, I didn't read that part. I was wondering that too. What I thought would happen was that the bits would overflow, causing it to change into whatever the overflow was. For example, Swampert, with the binary code for the species being 100000100, would overflow into 100, making it Charmander. I guess that error was handled.

[@SYIBOI]

So uhh you planning on selling that PCB? 👀 I'd love to get my hands on one of those! Its been my dream to make it possible for YEARS I even as a kid filed down the sides of a gold version to try to make it fit in my DS to see if it would Pal Park. But seriously name a price and I'll pay lol

[@Goppier]

I'll be looking into it in the coming weeks and will update you all when I know more about it. Thanks for watching!

[@SYIBOI]

@@Goppier thank you for taking the time to make this and the video! I'll definitely be among the first to buy one 😅

[@dottod8154]

@@Goppier How can we best stay tuned so that if you do sell it we can know to buy it?

[@Goppier]

@@dottod8154 KZbin is definitely the best way to stay tuned. I will make more videos about the progress I made with the device in the future. Besides that I'll also make more videos like the Mirage Island one. Hopefully more soon!

[@somebonehead]

@@Goppier Can you please. provide a list of the music you used in the video?

[@ChenzoCenteen]

So fuckin cool. This was always something that annoyed me, I felt like the games really only started at Gen3 because of this, and that RBG and GSC were like trials and concept entries into the Pokemon series since the Pokemon from those games were stuck there. Awesome idea and nice success!

[@johnnyreiling5633]

The amount of effort you went through for this is astounding. You are the Pokémon champion bud.

[@biologolouco]

This was truly amazing! And It made me think that Nintendo just didn't want to bother to solve trade problemas between the 2nd and 3rd generations.

[@Zei33]

This kind of microcontroller technology didn’t exist back then. It would’ve been very expensive to R&D and extremely expensive to manufacture. We’ve come a very long way since the game boy. That microcontroller he used as an intermediary probably has specs comparable to the game boy advanced and probably only cost a couple of dollars. Obviously their development team had the technical skills to do this. It’s really not that complicated. But the technology to pull it off just wasn’t available in a practical manner at the time.

[@RedMage815]

2:36 Oh good, I'm not the only one who did that.