Judo in BJJ

Abu Dhabi AustralAsia World Pro Trials 2015 Qualifying Match in Open Category

[@camilomontoya7412]

Great throws but the instinct to let go after an ippon is hard to get rid. Took me like 8 months after going into.bjj to stay stromg n hold after a clean ippon. I was so.used to thowimh and looking at ref

[@gabelilyrose00]

His judo is on point

[@israelcanada8969]

Best match ever!

[@kipallen8793]

They Compliment Each Other So Well To The Point It Doesnt Make Sense To Train BJJ Without Judo..

[@Hatsukoi839]

Because both judo and bjj comes from Japanese jiujitsu, they both focused on different style, but together they were one martial art.

[@sankari6114]

@@Hatsukoi839 Bjj actually comes from judo. Judo was known as Kano Jujutsu back then

[@isaiahkenny3544]

Exactly

[@AlexanderPews]

5:41 3 seconds.. "yeah let me finish by smacking him down.." bro I laughed soo good xD

[@anomalistic3046]

Beautiful uchi mata at 37 sec!

[@tonydrury7896]

Look guys, its real simple: Outside of the rules and scoring differences, then BJJ is Judo! When a BJJ person throws someone in BJJ it's Judo and when they submit them with armlocks or strangels (chokes), guess what its STILL Judo! In saying that, theres a whole lot more to BJJ as well, leglocks, ankle locks, head cranks, spider guard, Del a Riva, X gaurd, jumping and pulling guard, no gi...etc but lets face it they are two sides of the same coin largely split by modern day sports rules, politics, practioners ego's and a whole load of internet bullshit. There both great, I do them both and will do until my bones wont work no more!

[@timo235711]

I totally agree. I do both, and will do so as long as I possibly can. The oldest age group in Judo tournaments is over 85 years...

[@anarchic_ramblings]

"Internet bullshit". Yup. It's funny: on the internet a lot of people go on about how BJJ is better than judo, but in the real world when guys I train BJJ with hear that I've trained in judo, they react with only curiosity and admiration. It makes me wonder if the big talkers online aren't basement-dwelling fakers to a man.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Rickson gracie,Rolls Gracie,Renzo Gracie,Roger Gracie and Kron Gracie ALL have Black Belts in Judo. They studied with George Medhi in Brazil.

[@Sr.D]

I practice and love both too, and i agree differences are due to rulesets, thay both come from Kano.

[@sethwestbrook8263]

yea I mean both have variation that's no doubt. But ultimately they are very close in style and you see a lot of the same moves in each. It's kind of like baseball vs softball (which you see a lot of guys have played both). Both of those sports are pretty similar and if you take away a few rules they are almost identical. I guess also similar would be football and rugby.

[@jjfisher07]

Nice match, both guys did well.

[@federicoolschansky5684]

That´s why i prefeer judo.

[@markdaniels4178]

Exactly! I do both but judo is where you need to be but I would advise train with some bjj guys to know the game.

[@isaiahkenny3544]

Everything brings something to the table ninjitsui BJJ judo it all compliments each other brotha

[@pl4neta229]

PLEASE, COACHS BRING BACK THE FULL NEWAZE TO OUR JUDO!!! CONGRATULATION, 1000 POINTS FOR TAKEDOWN KKKKKKKKKKK

[@Peter-wo4uo]

My coach trains ne waza every wednesday and friday

[@aymanabaza6475]

BJJ must start giving points for takedowns like in Judo because if they change it then BJJ will start training on Judo throws the way it was first introduced and taught to the Gracie Family

[@josuemartinez65]

Beautiful

[@skimND]

The bjj guy had no standup whatsoever. The judoka threw him any way he wanted.

[@limcharles9730]

the judoka must be new... older judokas would had leg grab and head crank too

[@m5a1stuart83]

@Dirk Diggler Actually, most Judo school now focus on throwing only, and only a few hours a month learn Ne Waza. But in Judo High School, Nanatei or Kodokan Judo, they still learn Newaza. Those people at least at Brownbelt BJJ to Blackbelt BJJ. But reguler Judo School a Blackbelt Judo atleast at BJJ Bluebelt. How many years to take a blue belt in BJJ? 4 years? in 4 years Judo, you had skill of throw above BJJ Blackbelt and Ground at Blue belt. It is not Judo fault but the teacher fault. Koji Komuro and Yuki Nakai fought against BJJ Blackbelt and top tier, and yet they won. Komuro once lose to Marcos Souza, we know he is at top tier BJJ. and Yuki lose to Rickson Gracie, but fought very well against Jean Jacques Machado and defeat De La Riva.

[@mowgli123456789]

@Dirk Diggler I agree, it should be the 'second half of the throw' to actually secure the top position. But i cant agree that thats standard practice in most Judo clubs where everyone is good at getting to their pin after a throw. Modern day sport Judo is people trying to get the throw at all costs, even if it puts you in a WORST position after youve score ippon. I agree that defeats the point.... but its how I see most people training.

[@darrylgreer68]

Actually unreal! Judo guys fuck me up on the reg 😐😂

[@user-or6cn3us2p]

1:50 Beautiful crucifix

[@genalex100]

Learn both

[@alfnitro6104]

Very nice

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

Though the judoka is 2x the size, that’s some very good-looking judo!

[@mfp5585]

Holding on while you are in a firefighter load position is wildly dangerous from a self defence perspective. He could have dropped him backwards or on his head and he'd be out.

[@anarchic_ramblings]

Good nage waza, but he needs a bit more practice when it comes to transitioning into newaza. I get the impression that he hadn't spent much time training at BJJ clubs. Maybe he was inspired to do more of the latter after this fight. Cross-training is where it's at!

[@PhysiKarlz]

This match was at the end of a very long day, where I fought several fights in U91kg gi and no-gi, which I had won facebook.com/285459139137/posts/10153107220519138/ . I was training and winning a lot of BJJ at the time facebook.com/285459139137/posts/10153173246724138/. This was purple belt level, so obviously I had already spent several years of training BJJ. Additionally this guy has a background in wrestling and his gi continuously slipped off of his back. My ground game was good facebook.com/GoshuJudokan/videos/10152208185989138/

[@jmtolentino12]

Judo is the superpower of gravity manipulation, you can flip people like a hamburger. Mix it with BJJ and you are GOD!

[@isaiahkenny3544]

I like em all one is self defense the other is sport and they all work great i do em all I prefer Ninjitsu no one talking about that!

[@bigr3578]

Man is using him like a ragdoll

[@thomaskourkoulis5726]

It’s best to think of Judo and BJJ as different styles of Jiujitsu

[@dansweetnam9098]

Branches off the same tree. Judo originally had leg locks, leg takedowns and throws, even neck cranks. Olympic rules make judo teaching focus on throws more on throws. The ippon doesn't exist in bjj so they dont focus much on throws and focus more on the submission than the throw. Judo was called jiu jitsu at the time it was first taught, and when taught to the Gracies the gracies took its name and called it Brazilian jiu jitsu. Around the same time in Japan the art was renamed judo. So originally they were the same art, but the gracies developed the ground game and didn't use ippon in competition and over time its developed in to what it is today. 80% ground game, 20% takedowns. Judo on the other hand allowed win by pin and ippon and was limited in competition by the Olympic committee for injury prevention so over time has lost the ability to spend much time on the ground grappling, and has also been banned from using ,eg takedowns and leg locks. So BJJ and judo were once the same, and the arsenal of tools of each of them is very similar as an art, but competitively the tools in that arsenal are used differently and for both of them, sometimes lost due to not being used in competition. Both have weak points due to these competition rules changing the art... Judo's weak points are leg takedowns, leg submissions, fighting off your back and enough variation and practice at ground work. Luckily BJJ teaches all the lost/banned leg takedowns that used to be taught in judo. They also teach all of the banned leg locks of judo and how to fight off your back in the guard. BJJ's weak points is the arsenal of takedowns and throws and being limited to only a few in comparison to judo or wrestling meaning you will get dominated standing up by judoka or wrestlers, but if you take the fight to the ground there are no rules banning time on the ground or the type of submission your allowed to do. So the original judo was a complete art which taught everything,all throws, all takedowns, and locks of all of the body. The Olympic Judo learnt today is not the full judo created by judo's founder kano jigoro it's a limited version. And the BJJ of today is not the original judo as it has lost the teaching of all the throws, but it has a more advanced ground game than it even had at the beginning. So by training both you will know the entire art of judo (originally called jiu jitsu but a newer style) as Kano jigoro created it to be and probably it will be even better than it was at the beginning. Cross train in both and you will be an ultimate complete fighter as long as you learn striking. It's amazing that it's still possible to learn it as it was intended to be despite the Olympics bans

[@rorybreaker23]

Thats a good way of thinking of it; because its literally the truth. BJJ was obviously taken from Judo, but focused on the ground aspect, and thats okay if thats what you want to do. Judo was taken from Japanese Jiu Jitsu to focus on the grappling (ground AND standing). I think every style has specialists in some aspect of said style. I just get annoyed at the bjj bros who think their style is the end-all-be-all, and everything else is inferior. We can thank Joe Bro Rogan for pushing that.

[@memysurname7521]

BJJ is Judo mixed with Catch Wrestling, is not only jiujitsu. This is silly. The Gracie family learned Catch Wrestling from Orlando Americo da Silva.

[@socalbeachieboy6135]

@@emperorjimmu9941 judo's first name was kano JuJitsu

[@xkursxd3859]

Wrong

[@johnbravo4093]

The guy with green belt is a judo fighter.

[@josuemartinez65]

Obviously

[@alafifi101]

The Judoka is a lot bigger and heavier. That helps a lot when it comes to roughing someone around and throwing people and even dominating them. If the BJJ guy was the same size it would not be the same way for the Judoka. Judoka throws are good though. Nothing taken away from him except that his transition from the throw to the Newaza was weak.

[@lemmingsinsight89]

I don't understand the excuses you give as to why the BJJ'er lost. You say he lost because he wasn't as big as the judoka? According to the Gracies, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was developed so that a smaller weaker person can defeat a bigger stronger person. So how come the BJJ practitioner lost here? Was it really because he was smaller? According to Helio's philosophy and development, the BJJ'er should have won this match against the judoka. So how come he didn't? Reality: The BJJ practitioner lost here because he had no formal training in nagewaza and was going up against someone who did.

[@ricodsanchez6792]

@@emperorjimmu9941 i agree with u bro. but man ur funnnnnnnnny :)

[@pedrojose392]

Good morning! I think the the technique was the factor. He throws de BJJ guy as he was wearing rollers. The judo guy was good!

[@zartic4life]

What was the weight difference? Also Isnt the whole point of BJJ exactly for the excuse your making? 🤣

[@katokianimation]

​@@zartic4life size dosen't matter, said no modern competitive bjj player ever.

[@ken244]

Nice Judo

[@mfp5585]

BJJ guy is getting tossed around like a rag doll

[@BK-mk3vi]

Bad transition from throw to ground. He threw the guy several times and could not keep him down.

[@PhysiKarlz]

I used to enjoy throwing BJJ guys about in competitions whenever they wouldn't immediately sit down. This particular dude also has a wrestler's background, plus his go kept coming out and this was at the end of a day of go and no-go, THEN this open weight, hence pinning him wasn't quite so easy.

[@socalbeachieboy6135]

As a judoka, I say train bjj if you can't afford a gym go to an open mat and roll with those guys

[@zartic4life]

Judo tournament habit. He wouldve won this match about five times.

[@alissonralfin8981]

"abraça a cabeça" foi a melhor dica

[@dertypmitderfrisur4]

awesome match! Its about athletes, not styles. The judoka is a bjj purplebelt... The "bjj-guy" did some decent wrestling to stop his opponent. all the arguments down below can be falsified. its all gi grappling, so stop bitching about styles and try to become the best martial artist you can be.

[@graphstyle]

Judo is BJJ

[@jylpah]

Open weight category... judoka was at least 10kg heavier.

[@markd2797]

Jylpah This bullshit again. You BJJ people take pride in “weight doesn’t matter.” Why tf is this your excuse now? Both arts are great and makes a grappler better.

[@jylpah]

I didn’t mean that. Firstly, it’s great to find a judoka contesting himself in a BJJ tournament. He was a good fighter. Secondly, the rule set defines which sports prepares the fighter the best. You don’t see judokas dominating BJJ tournaments or the otherway round. Thirdly, yes, weight matters. That’s why you have weight classes in both judo and BJJ. In general, these judo vs bjj videos are bit weird. It seems it’s mostly judo fans posting these as if an isolated video would somehow conclude something. Judo is a great sport with great athletes. But why the butthurt? I have never felt a need to post BJJ vs Judo videos, but I have went on judo classes instead.

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@jylpah Bro you are a troll You post bullshit on almost every video when its BJJ vs Judo. This Particular Judoka was better than this guy, he actually dominated him, it happens. This isn't even a video about Judo vs BJJ this is simply a video showing Judo being used in BJJ. no need to troll or be butthurt

[@jylpah]

@@Midnitedreary88 I am not butthurt at all. Somehow it feels many judokas are since there is a need to post judo vs bjj videos. I just posted a fact that this was an open weight category with one weight class bigger judoka. Did revealing that fact trigger U since U had to start calling names? Judo is a great sport, my son goes judo classes.

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@jylpah Again, Ur a troll And, again... This isn't a bjj vs Judo video

[@jimmyalderson1639]

It's funny because for years jiujitsu's been promoted as the most street effective system of combat. Let's hypothesise what would have happened if this fight were on the streets: well for starters the bjj guy wouldn't have been thrown so much, because he would've been dead after the second waza was applied to him That's why i personally prefer judo. It's groundwork isn't as in depth, but it's not lazy. Whereas a lot of BJJ stsndup i've seen is just plain lazy, two guys shake hands then sit on their arses shuffle around each other until one gets the edge. Now of course this isn't universal, and you shouldn't sacrifice your newaza for tachiwaza if your sport is organised such that newaza is rewarded greater than tachiwaza. But when you claim your art is the best for real life, then you get thrown silly by a sport you claim to have 'evolved from' implying that your art is superior, it doesn't really fit consistantly. Not trying to slag of bjj, it's great and i train it myself and love it. I'm addressing the cultish fanatics i find all over every single martial arts video, regardless of what it is about, claiming everything's bad unless the particular gracie they fettish over gives it enough praise to cause an ejaculation

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Dirk Diggler yeah it is a shame when you see judoka who can't do newaza. I think it's because most clubs train under competition rules (which are absolute shite) and so they don't do nearly as much newaza as they should. I think if you had some old school judoka like Kashiwazaki facing more old school style jiujitsuka like the Gracies you'd get incredibly fascinating matches, where you get to see the jiujitsu approach to standup as well as the judo approach to groundwork contrasted with the other art's specialty. But alas instead you get a match where the judoka dominates the standup, and the jiujitsuka dominates the ground time (which favours the jiujitsuka because of the rules). I.e. They're not well rounded. It is a shame, and i hope that BJj guys will learn from judo's mistakes and not put too much emphasis on competition; while i simultaneously hope that judoka will speak their minds about the ever changing, ever limiting rules which is crushing the art, and revitalise Nihonden Kodokan Judo

[@oreocarlton3343]

I think BJJ is most superior for self defense since you start most 1on1 fights punching on legs and finnish on groundwork. That being said, state of stand up in bjj is horrible and smth needs to change pronto...more Judo!

[@oreocarlton3343]

jimmy alderson the whole BJJ game became almost too sophisticated with berimbolos and inverted guards etc which are cool but I want to see more stand up

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Oreo Carlton i think the opposite for the exact same reasons. Judo does have a ground game, and if you're fortunate enough to notbe at an olympic or competitional directed school where they teach what i'd call 'empty' judo, or even 'fake' judo, then you should know great stand up and good groundwork. Even the founder said you should be equally proficient in both styles if you want to call yourself a master, which is why i began training BJJ. Personally i see the two arts as the same thing - and i think one day they will merge to be the same thing with two different rulesets. But for now i think judo's more complete. I think this because there's no point in being able to RNC everybody in the world, if you get knocked spart out or you get thrown to the ground first. In competitive jiujitsu the effect of being thrown to the floor is just sort of brushed off, but the reason it's an instant win in judo is because it's recognised that you have the power to decide whether or not you can kill or subdue or leave your opponent. Whereas jiujitsu just brushes it off as 'oh well, we're on the ground now' which is not a healthy mindset to have for self defense. But i know most hudo schools aren't as traditional as the one i happen to have been taught at so their groundwork is REALLY bad. But i think (as did the founder of judo) being able to throw your opponent to the ground, or to not get killed while standing, is more a priority than being proficient on the floor. I agree it's massively important, but i think it's underestimated just what a basic osoto gari or right hook can do to your body - and even jiujitsu can't fix that. We do some SD training at the gym i go to and so far it's all consisted of techniques directly handed down from judo. I'm not trying to say judo's better than bjj or anything - but in this particular area, i think judo's more appropriate

[@oreocarlton3343]

jimmy alderson what I tried to say, not knowing ANY groundwork makes your system automatically inferior since groundwork is a reality if you are not koed by punch or slam. Basic Judo newaza deals with Bjj pretty good and Judo guys are generally tuffer and more agressive (similar to catch wrestlers) so your argument stands - culture of BJJ is more about techniques than agression which isnt realistic for self defense but I dont mind that much. There is a certain hostility between Judo and BJJ today but I would like to see them integrated into one in the future.

[@henrycaldwell4454]

This is why I think all submission grappling should have a ippon rule, obviously you need mats for safety, but then it gives a huge advantage to ground fighters because whereas in real life some of those throws would be injurious, possibly deadly, on the mat they kinda just hurt.

[@Renku07]

BJJ is incomplete judo. I'd rather learn the original art with all techniques included.

[@Glenn056]

Renku07 sadly much of modern judo do not emphasise much on ground work

[@16thChemical]

Then you should learn Japanese Jujutsu. It's the root of Judo, bjj, aikijujutsu, aikido, hapkido.

[@m5a1stuart83]

@Dirk Diggler well, thats why people want old Judo rules before they (IJF) change everything.

[@SaftonYT]

That's nonsense. BJJ has all of the same techniques as Judo in addition to a wide variety of ground-fighting techniques that developed independent of the Kodokan over the decades. BJJ has a much wider variety of allowable techniques, grips, etc. You *can* make an argument for many sporty BJJ schools neglecting the standup game and I'd agree. But it's not endemic to the entire art. If you want to go that route, I could point to a lot of modern IJF-style schools that teach only the most basic of ne waza in addition to dropping things like below the waist grips due to recent rule changes. Both styles are related, but have diverged to develop their own respective niche. Cross-training is a good idea as always. I'm a BJJ white belt, but I'd love nothing more than to train in Freestyle Judo one day.

[@rorybreaker23]

@@Glenn056 thats not true, it heavily depends on what dojo you go to. On average I'd say Judo clubs cover more grappling than Bjj clubs cover stand up. On average that is. The ground aspect is pretty important even under their different rule set.

[@thomash196]

Looks like a purple belt BJJ guy, so maybe he’s trained for 4-6 years. Judo guy, aside from Being 6” taller and probably 40 lbs heavier, is clearly a black belt in judo so he’s probably trained for 6-10 years. People are waiving the judo flag like it’s a World Series victory because a guy that’s CLEARLY BIGGER abs probably has more grappling experience dominated a smaller less experienced guy?! Last thing I’ll say, BJJ guy didn’t tap 😏

[@doctorhunger921]

If that were concrete, those throws would be black out, not tap out

[@zartic4life]

6 inches? 🤣 The hurt ego is hilarious.

[@michaelhalim9943]

Pathetic BJJ

[@bundy4prez462]

BJJ is incomplete Judo.

[@judoyodan]

That's not true.

[@bundy4prez462]

Sensei Rich yeah huh

[@bundy4prez462]

If you take away all the judo techniques away from bjj you have nothing left. If you take away all the bjj techniques away from judo you still have complete judo.

[@judoyodan]

That's not a fair or accurate way to look at it. True, bjj is a derivative of judo, but bjj has more than distinguished itself as an independent sport/art.

[@bundy4prez462]

Sensei Rich Maybe not fair because the truth hurts but definitely accurate. I'm not arguing that bjj is a force to be reconed with. As far as judo newaza goes they rock. Here's a hypothetical, bare with me. If I were to live let's say Mexico and Judo Joe came down and taught me Judo. Let's say I really took to the newaza like a fish out of water and got really good at it and decided to mostly focus on that. Can I set up shop and legitimately call it Mexican jujutsu, mjj? I can then create a ranking system and my students can shame those that are fake black belts when they themselves are part of a basterdized illigitimate art. Exactly when did it stop being a Japanese art and become Mexican? Because they decided to just do newaza it's theirs? I'd hate to break the news to them but the Japanese did that too, it's called Kosen judo. I know you're trying to be PC but I'm just breaking balls because my argument is solid. You can deny all you want but my question still stands. If you take away all of judo's techniques away from bjj what do you have left?