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[@GothamChess]

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[@mrdobivka9091]

Levy never fails to feature himself in a GothamChess videos

[@pleasegivemeahandle]

no

[@mrdobivka9091]

@@pleasegivemeahandle yes

[@joshuahietala5174]

Pin of shame

[@mrdobivka9091]

@@joshuahietala5174 what

[@guayabamecanica]

Hikaru plays 3 minute games while talking to the chat, being recorded and saying out loud why he is making the moves. It is incredible to witness and I will keep on watching him while it lasts.

[@PlaygroundMafia]

This is truly insane. He makes the game seem so easy.

[@ellnor1744]

Ive tried calculating the way he does, yeah I'm still 800 😂

[@carterdahl9654]

​@@ellnor1744you try calculating like that then immediately hang a fork, yeah been there 😂

[@guayabamecanica]

The guy sometimes keeps playing while talking about how to pass the level of a different video game he is playing at the same time (head explodes here…).

[@GMHikaru]

Those are some very kind words, and I appreciate it.

[@TimTom]

I guess it’s true what they say about chess players going crazy in their old age lol

[@miorioff]

To be fair we all do. It's just more funny when it happens with very smart people 😂

[@Bismarck-S]

Bobby Fischer flashbacks

[@fbch32]

and that could possibly cost him cause Kramnik better deliver because I think this sentence 16:21 can be used to show malicious intent in a defamation case

[@themusicalplatypus2812]

Holy crap, Lois. A TimTom cameo!

[@ismegam1621]

From drama to drama, TimTom hops like a llama. Just a joke love ur videos

[@matthis8888]

Getting cheating accusations from a world champion because you are too good is the definition of suffering from succes

[@aditya_1267]

😂😂

[@adityasen4566]

Or that you are cheating

[@andrewbomkamp3708]

kramnik says everyone cheats. he's become a joke

[@midgetporn9735]

@@adityasen4566 Kramnik's been accusing people of cheating for years now

[@NoBatteriesLOL]

Lol

[@0x2d2]

Anyone who has watched Hikaru play on stream knows he isn’t cheating. His premoves and the way he talks through his strategy is insane

I echo your thoughts; my agreement aligns with yours.

[@EnigmaChess]

to be fair, around the times hans cheated online, he streamed and explained his moves

[@0x2d2]

@@EnigmaChess honestly I never watched Hans, but I went through a few of his blitz streaming videos to see and from what I saw you really can't compare his speed and discussions with his chat to what Hikaru does.

[@ChrisJohnson777]

For real. It's the dumbest accusation and kramnik is ruining his legacy

[@hermdog715]

How the f can you cheat on 3 minute games anyway?

[@l3igl2eaper]

Kramnik: It is mathematically impossible to flip heads 10 times in a row! Mathematicians: Uhh, not if you flip the coin 4100 times. It's very likely to see it somewhere in that chain. Kramnik: I delete your comment!

[@joesmith1946]

Absolutely, you made the point perfectly.

[@MrGatlingGuy]

@@joesmith1946 Yes exactly...

[@rorschach775]

He is a pro at Russian debate. If he could drop math out of a window he probably would.

[@gutenbird]

and not if the coin has 10 heads and 1 tail. It's not like Hikaru is playing with even odds. That's like saying MJ was playing with even odds against inferior players.

[@sagniksingha]

Doesn't matter even if you flip a coin 1 billion times, flipping 10 heads consecutively has same probability. Each flip is independent of the other. What is your calculation here?

[@hariodinio]

Hikaru: gets forced to play against players leagues below their rating Hikaru: Stomps those players Kramnik: *Surprised pikachu face*

[@allanshpeley4284]

Oh we're still doing this one?

[@theophilussogoromo3000]

his*

[@ricardods6843]

hes not forced, hes facing lower ppl on purpose

[@anradhofficial4652]

When you've only got like two people online at your level or over, you actually are kind of forced to play down.

[@buuythbuuyth1412]

Pikachu Nakamura

[@xiaozhang7103]

Kramnik never fails to make Hans look like the good guy

[@gilly_the_fish]

That's a hell of an accomplishment. But then again, Kramnik speaks for itself.

[@Difas0]

Hans is pretty based though

[@leventunver]

Hans is indeed the better guy.

[@zhilaxfow7888]

Ha haaaaaa

[@neoclassicvii154]

Wow, Inferi fan

[@ReklawLah]

Calling it the "Hikaru Cheating Scandal" gives it credibility when it deserves none.

[@objective_psychology]

Exactly, the real scandal here is Kramnik being a POS

[@ShooterEx]

"Kramnik went insane and doesn't now statistcs scandal"

[@KevinSnyder22]

"the accusation drama by an irrational former world champ" non-scandal

[@masoodjalal1152]

@@KevinSnyder22 So Magnus is an irrational world champ?

[@arnavrawat9864]

That's the nature of clickbait.

[@josh8584]

The fact that Hikaru got another 45 game winstreak out of spite is just legendary.

[@angelzashez]

I’m not a mathematician but I think it makes logical sense that if you pick up a coin and flip it 5 times the odds of getting 5 heads is low... But if you flip it a few hundred times it's bound to happen... And Hikaru has better odds than 50/50 in these games.

[@lissythearchitect]

Exactly. I used to work in the gambling industry. Progressive jackpots are rarely won by an individual. Our top progressive jackpot was won most weeks, and every month Occasionally it was won more than once a week. Streaks are a second layer of hidden likelihood - the chance I may win, say, a specific set of 46 games in a row may be around 1%, but if I play hundreds or thousands, the chance of there being one or more such streaks in that larger set is rather high.

[@justvani9366]

@@lissythearchitect , I would like to include my statement as well. One of the biggest Kramink's mistake is that he takes the online ELO (which is ridiculously inflated) but not the real FIDE ELO of the players. Hikaru is 2800+ and the IMs are 2300+ real ratings which means that these 500 points correlate to 95% winning chance for Hikaru! If they play 100 games, 95 will be won by Hikaru and there could be 4 draws and 1 loss. But Hikaru played only 10+ games with one IM and then with another IM. Not enough data to conclude anything 'interesting'.

[@HowTo-kj7gx]

neither am i but i absolustly agree

[@Aetheraev]

I am a mathematician and you are absolutely correct

[@steveselanne9773]

The guy had this kind of strikes 5 times over the last month. He had them previous months too etc. Calculate the probability now.

[@mrdobivka9091]

We all know that Hikaru hides a stockfish bot on his ceiling. That's why he looks at it while calculating moves. (edit: AYO 2,6k likes that's my new record!)

[@LilBigHuge]

Maybe he's just tranquilized out of his mind pulling a Queen's Gambit.

[@AndrewH1994]

alternatively, stockfish is hiding in his headphones, which is why he always wears them, and plays so well so often! I am joking. I don’t think Hikaru cheated

[@javienlugo6739]

Imagine if this is what Kramnik says

[@pen_g_win1027]

Nah Stockfish lives in his ceiling, but Stockfish is the me studying hikaru

[@alexrobinet7576]

Lol

[@ArjanKop]

Kramnik is basically saying his own genetic makeup is nonexistent because the likelihood of obtaining it while randomly picking four nucleotides a few billion times to get to this exact sequence is pretty much 0. I’ll give him a statistics course for dummies at a rate of 500 euros an hour.

[@colin7917]

It’s actually mind blowing to me how so many smart people, even a chess legend like Kramnik, don’t understand the basics of stochastic theory and still choose to talk about this topic as if they do understand

[@Noah_M5]

He clearly cheated, there's no other explanation Edit: This was sarcasm, as in Kramnick must be cheating in this circumstance by his own logic, which is just so stupid it mustn't be true, I don't think Hikaru is cheating

[@uchicha_itachi]

As a PhD Machine Learning student, it's sooooo sad that people's skill in comprehending statistics is so kow

[@ArjanKop]

@@colin7917 but please, just let me make a bit of money? He obviously won’t even notice 😂

[@ryannorris6128]

He’s stuck on the first rise of the Dunning-Kruger curve.

[@mikebould5651]

If Martin wins 40+ in a row, then we got a problem

[@martinonmountains]

Until I started playing chess I didn’t think my name was a burden really 😅

[@rayriley1334]

Hikaru has proven himself In person, over the board many times over. There are literally maybe 10 people in the world who could consistently give him a run for his money. Why is this even a question?

[@khangle6872]

There's like 4-5 if you only count Bullet

[@Glenn-tj3fk]

I"d find it extremely painful being accused by a person you've had a great time with in the past

[@supersayan6318]

Jealousy is a hellavu drug.

[@gideoncheung8731]

makes me remember scottie pippen somehow:/

[@UndisputedONE2]

@@gideoncheung8731 tbf Scottie Pippen is a wreck of a personality of his past due to personal life struggles and other stuff. His opinion on the sports matter also changed over time. it happenz

[@zes3813]

wrgg

[@neruneri]

Yeah that's the thing I feel like people are overlooking. When a random accuses you, sure it's a compliment. But Kramnik is supposed to be his peer. His colleague.

[@iluxa-4000]

It's so stupid that I don't even know where to start. People jumped on Hikaru, accusing him of cheating because he won 45 out of 46 games. And not a single thought crossed their minds. First - what does he gain from this? Cool, he set a new elo record. And it gives him literally nothing lol. And to risk his whole career for it? Seems absolutely insane to me. Second - as Levy said, he was playing the same people over and over again. Would it be crazy if Kramnik beat me in chess 50 times in a row? No, not at all. Chess is not a random game, so when you're significantly better than someone - you will beat them *very* consistently. Third one - the "with the average rating of 2950" line. Yes, 2950, which is quite a lot less than his current rating :D

[@itamarowak]

ong ong frfrfr Kramnik is such a skibidi for going after hikaru Edit: wait someone actually liked this comment WTF i dont even understand half of what i was saying

[@Marveryn]

right if someone like levy who at his best is at 2600 and he plays someone at `1900. 9 times out of 10 he will win. if he plays a thousand games against 1900's at some point he going to get 50 game win streak. which is pretty much what Hikaru was doing. if you look at the elo players he was playing vesus himself it was such a huge drop off. Unless hikura is playing someone in the caliber of fabio and so on he should win at least 75% of his games. With that win streak yeah he going to get some pretty high win streaks.

[@RMF49]

Also Hikaru got the record before going 45.5 / 46.

[@KNNY61]

Surely Kramnik is not so stupid as to think his comment did not insinuate Hikaru was cheating. He's turning into a giant troll, and needs to change his diet; those sour grapes are affecting his thinking. 🙄

[@milos8024]

I thought Dream wasn't cheating because he had nothing to gain from it and that he wouldn't risk his career for nothing. But well..

[@user-yz1gd2ut3s]

Hikaru is so good he tought Hikaru was cheating

[@thatonefrenchguy937]

He's the same as me but it's real for me (J o k e)

[@Rudy137]

@@thatonefrenchguy937 rel (Not a joke I cheat at chess 😈)

[@mecazor]

Thought

[@DustinHasVideos]

Kramnik is protecting his legacy. It’s common to make a huge controversy to hide your previous controversy. He is trying to make sure when you google Kramnik cheating you find this story and not the story about him cheating previously

[@joshl4111]

Absolutely this. This is classic reputation management.

[@SpeedoKeisy6]

Genuinely such a decent point. Thx for the comment

[@eagle-eye29]

Kramnik just destroyed his legacy. He now looks like a jealous fool 🤡

[@savanthuman8809]

Politics suck

[@mandobrook]

That makes no sense. This debacle has all but completely destroyed his reputation and the earlier incident is almost universally seen as totally laughable.

[@huelias64]

Kramnik is the perfect example that being good at chess is not related to being intelligent in general

[@Casa-de-hongos]

Also, slightly above average intelligence people are much more prone to some biases that lead to fall for conspiracies and simmilar stupid outcomes.

[@asdfghyter]

@@Casa-de-hongos yeah, overconfidence from being good at one thing is a huge problem. that's why there are so many crackpots with PHDs

[@ssgoko88]

​@@Casa-de-hongoswrong, people who believe in conspiracies are narcissists who parrot intelligent things they hear and falsely appear more intelligent.

[@oponamikwe5011]

yep. you are smart in chess but it does not make you a genius in social skills🤣🤣

[@2894031]

Sorry but that’s factually incorrect , they are highly correlated 💁🏿‍♀️

[@vinayjoshi5788]

Hikaru deserves an apology from that man

[@masoodjalal1152]

Right after Hikaru apologizes to Hans.

[@kylannaidoo4141]

I’m really glad you included the mathematicians comment. I’m no mathematics major, but I’ve taken some statistics classes to know kramniks “statistics” are biased and flawed, as most of statistics is, but when you account for the bias, Hikarus results are not statistically significant. Good stuff Gotham 😎👍

[@okolenmi7511]

-_- it's not biased for such a case. Admit that you are too lazy to calculate everything yourself and will simply float with the crowd to get likes, but at the same time blame an innocent person.

[@iguoyrxayananikihs9505]

​@@okolenmi7511Innocent person, prey tell who being??

[@DomiaAbrWyrda]

@@okolenmi7511 this is a trivial and well known exercise in the realm of probability, you don't even need to calculate numbers in order to tell that it is very likely that every once in a while a 1 % probability event will occur The most famous exercise being the probability of having people with the same birthday in one class. Do kindly refrain from advertising your incompetence in certain levels of subjects.

[@kylannaidoo4141]

@@DomiaAbrWyrda well the birthday statistic is misleading because I’m pretty sure in a classroom of ~23 there is a 1/2 chance of two people having the same birthday but okolenmi is just stupid lol

[@2894031]

I would conclude from your comment that you either failed your statistics class or it was a really really elementary one 😹

[@mrdobivka9091]

As a 600 elo player I can confirm that Hikaru makes every top engine move

[@dob4592]

I'm 601 and I agree.

[@SkinWynne]

as a 602, i think i could take him@@dob4592

[@valiantwarrior1988]

​@@dob4592the dominance you've showed by saying 601, makes me wanna agree with you

[@noahmaas1670]

No idea what my elo is, but I beat a lego chess game way back on Windows 98 so basically I am pro. Hikaru OP

[@dob4592]

@@valiantwarrior1988 the extra elo point speaks for itself

[@johnhightshoe996]

Being a data analyst myself this is the first thing I thought, even though we see less than 1% as holy crap that’s very unlikely but when you realize the size of the data set and then you see that it’s really not outside the realm of possibility. We can see this in other areas like when the bulls won 72 games in a season and the probability of it ever happening again is super low but we saw it again with the Warriors a few years back again. If there is a possibility that something can happen it’s going to happen. We as humans can only really comprehend data sets with small amounts of numbers so when you start to look into anything that is getting bigger our brain start to intuitively forces things to fit what we expect, ie less than 1% is impossible. What I really see is an old man who had his hay day in Chess and now is fighting to stay relevant, and after seeing what happened with the Neiman/Carlson speculation he knows he’s going to be on all the KZbin channels and be relevant again for at least a day. It’s really sad honestly, but it’s going to destroy his chance at ever being relevant again.

[@grovsyanka]

There is a possibility that you will die tomorrow during breakfast. It’s going to happen. Be careful.

[@borandiUK]

Funny thing is, Golden State had a 73 win season. Unlikely events happen more often than people think

[@biray4710]

Very well put. Let me say it from a gamer's perspective. If 1% was extremely improbable, nobody would be able to get a 1% mount drop. Yet you see people running around with rare mounts all the time.

[@melvinkipkemboi9427]

Murphy's law?

[@guiladshmaya1]

​@@borandiUKit happened 30 years later though..

[@apothecary4371]

I think they also forgot to include the factor of resignations. a lot of higher level player will just forfeit a losing position, especially against Hikaru. So its less about winning the game and more about getting to a point where you probably win the game. Resignations in general are going to significantly increase the chances of Hikaru getting a win streak. However, I'm not a mathematician nor am I good at chess, so maybe I'm overvaluing one factor.

[@ThatGuy-nv7cx]

Don’t forget the flagging factor as well. There were at least 6 games where he was clearly losing during that streak but was able to flag his opponent. If it was 3+1 even, he most likely would’ve lost those matches

[@jorgewilliam7103]

​@@ThatGuy-nv7cxflashback to kramnik throwing a similar hissy fit at flagging in online tournaments last year.

[@luigivercotti6410]

Resignations are accounted for by the ELO system. A win is a win, and the chances are updated whether you get mated, forfeit, lose on time, lose connection, or anything else

[@Astroqualia]

This drives me nuts in my low elo. People resign when I want to practice winning endgames to avoid draws ):

[@chrisb8698]

Levy always trying to put Hikaru inside us

[@teowalcott6320]

Hikaru inside us is wildd!!

[@wahbi79]

💀💀

[@stupiditiusmaximus]

my wish😋

[@DIAMONDBOIII]

AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PAUSE

[@knownas2017]

When Hikaru mates you

[@zllay]

Levy never fails to change his video title every 30 minutes.

[@rindal3042]

It’s likely one of those companies that change titles and thumbnails and stuff to figure out what works best for the algorithm

[@jamesflames6987]

Streaks are so common in series of random events that LACK of streaks is actually considered a red flag for fraud.

[@neruneri]

Yes, because when someone is actually fiddling with it and trying to hide it, their intuition tells them to break up the streaks in non-random ways.

[@vercot7000]

@@neruneri "their intuition" can mean they take 500 different actions. Your comment doesn't really mean anything. it's like me saying "Tomorrow the sky could blow up". Yeah? Maybe that's what's happening?

[@Mark_Cook]

@@vercot7000 He’s referring to when people fake data sets with a finite number of outcomes they intuitively prevent “streaks” because they think that would look to suspicious. Yet the absences of streaks is actually a huge red flag for fraud. If I told you to fake the results of 100 coin flips, you likely wouldn’t put a streak of 8 in a row of heads/tails, yet that is actually expected at least once if you actually flip it 100 times.

[@rock21611]

Okay, I don’t know anything about Kramnik, but after hearing about his own accusations of cheating, and not knowing if his innocence was ever proven, I’m reminded of a saying. “A thief is someone who thinks that everyone steals.” *Edit* In the interest of fairness, after seeing this comment get more traffic than I'm used to, I went and did some research, and it _does_ seem that most reasonable conclusions point to Kramnik's accusers being either liars or deluded. While his accusation of Hikaru is no less ridiculous, I will retract my own implied accusation of cheating in light of this, until such time as I am given compelling evidence otherwise.

[@jejxkxk]

True. When he was accused of cheating, did he show up and prove them wrong? No, he forfeited the game. A little suspicious. Kramnik can’t play without cheats

[@doomse150]

Not trying to defend the guy, but on a purely factual basis, you can NEVER prove innocence. That's why rules like "innocent until proven guilty" are so damn important.

[@masoodjalal1152]

@@jejxkxk When he accused Hans of cheating, did he show up and prove it? No, he forfeited the game. A little suspicious. Magnus can’t accept/digest defeat.

[@FormerPessitheRobberfan]

​@@masoodjalal1152That doesn't make sense? Magnus wasn't the one accused of cheating?

[@quill444]

This is the truly sad thing, because if you are over age fifty, you will remember that on a good day, Vladimir Kramnik was every bit as good as Garry Kasparov. - j q t -

[@s1lentsymphony607]

That 10% is probably way higher when you take into account the ELO difference, and the fact he tends to play one person multiple times. The more you play someone, the more you're going to understand the *way* they play.

[@drqstic1059]

Not to mention being beaten 3+ times in a row will easily disrupt your mental. There's so many (external) factors that make a win streak like this very likely.

[@justvani9366]

@@drqstic1059 One of the biggest Kramink's mistake is that he takes the online ELO (which is ridiculously inflated) but not the real FIDE Elo of the players. Hikaru is 2800+ and the IMs are 2300+ real ratings which means that these 500 points correlate to 95% winning chance for Hikaru! If they play 100 games, 95 will be won by Hikaru and there could be 4 draws and 1 loss. Hikaru only played 10+ games with IMs and then switch to another player. Not enough data for Kramnik. Just toilet fireworks. :)

[@drqstic1059]

@@justvani9366 Absolutely true.

[@2894031]

It never occurred to you that the more you play a person the more that person will understand the way you play? 😹😹😹

[@L1MERS]

i wish Kramnik a speedy recovery!

[@NoComplience]

😂😂😂

[@billj4525]

He's extremely paranoid. If he can start looking at things more realistically and accurately then it's possible.

[@crypti1c]

@@billj4525 except its extremely hard to convince anyone out of their paranoia, especially someone whos been at or near the top of their field for so long that they can't understand when they might be reading way too far into something

[@zencookiegod7740]

would you think that if an 1100 beat a bunch of 800s in 3min blitz that would be suspicious?

[@billmorrigan386]

Imagine beating them 45.5 - 0.5 in 3 min blitz games. Ain't that interesting? Of course, it can be dismissed as a lucky streak. Heck, people even win lotteries!

[@hyperthreaded]

Kramnik ist prime evidence for the theory that chess abilities and general intelligence aren't correlated

[@gregasrde5814]

Interesting point is that a lot of stats given by Kramnik assume each game to be an independent event which leads to seemingly impossible stats of (.77)^45, but this fails to account for several factors such as the effect of playing the games back to back and against the same opponent in multiple games.

[@justvani9366]

One of the biggest Kramink's mistake is that he takes the online ELO (which is ridiculously inflated) but not the real FIDE Elo of the players. Hikaru is 2800+ and the IMs are 2300+ real ratings which means that these 500 points correlate to 95% winning chance for Hikaru! If they play 100 games, 95 will be won by Hikaru and there could be 4 draws and 1 loss. Hikaru only played 10+ games with IMs and then switch to another players. Not enough data for Kramnik. Just toilet fireworks. :) Not to mention the fact that he excludes the 'farming lower rated opponents' and flagging components. Because a flagging where Hikaru would loose is counted as win.

[@AsterJ]

Being one of the greatest chess players of all time apparently doesn't prevent you from being a complete clown

[@khangle6872]

Actually, it kinda does if you are on Bobby Fischer level.

[@ysf-d9i]

it would be like the greatest comeback in the history of chess if kramnik actually produced irrefutable stats to prove it (obviously because of how impossible it is)

[@dessertstorm7476]

he cant really prove anything with stats, he can only say how probable something is (according to his interpretation).

[@ciosnek5]

Hikaru said it. He's a 500 ELO mathematician 😂

[@jonasschmift4126]

The most absurd about the allegation is that Hikaru has nothing to gain from cheating. His streaming and youtube brings a lot more money in than any of the chess events and definitely more than being 3336 Elo for a short time in Blitz. Now if he cheats and gets caught he would endanger his money-bringing job. If sb else cheats it is a risk/gain calculation. How much can I gain being better in chess? How probable is it that I am caught? But for Hikaru there is no gain. Only risk. And risk with extremely high loss. It would be completely braindead to cheat in his position (which he obv didn’t) and it is similarly braindead to think that he did.

[@tvrskkngdm2333]

As long he is "great"... I m convinced he was cheating in yrs. That explains his movements. Not in last tourneys but he DID. And he plays narrowed repertoire. Now he doesn't need it most of the times

[@AfonsoCL]

@@tvrskkngdm2333 What are you even trying to say? Try harder, Ivan.

[@jamesflames6987]

1% is an EXTREMELY low chance. Unless Hikaru has somehow played more than 100 chess games in his career. Does anyone know if it's possible he has done that?

[@kylezo]

i guess his fence sitting stance is that he's "just saying" everyone should be "looked into" more often and equally and uses that to hide behind "i'm not actually accusing"

[@toasteroven6761]

If Hikaru was a cheater, he'd be called The Beads of '87

[@mausengonmned-5258]

Dont Get The Joke

[@toasteroven6761]

@@mausengonmned-5258 a fnaf reference

[@mhl2674]

Rule #1 in life: when you realize you are in a hole, stop digging. Kramnik sadly doesn't see how hopeless this is for him.

[@Scorey__23]

“Your honor They’re glazing” killed me 😂😂😂

[@Jordan-qb3ed]

Rip my respect for Kramnik

[@monkeydguts4181]

imagine being so good that you get accused for cheating

[@masoodjalal1152]

Hans Nieman

[@alex86fire]

I don't understand why Kramnik wants this to be his legacy... It's insane to me.

[@susbedo9258]

Chessbrah Eric Hansen even came out and says he is 99.99% sure that Hikaru is not cheating and even says that Kramnik's allegations are wildy misleading. Hikaru x Eric Hansen's bad blood runs really really deep in the past and i think this speak volumes how ridiculous this accusation is.

[@elmerruddock6546]

What happened between Hansen and Hikaru?

[@ragnablade5397]

@@elmerruddock6546 a well known fist fight

[@Nephthys52]

Imagine unironicly thinking Hikaru is actually cheating. It's just such a wild situation. Like if someone told me this with no context, I'd honestly think it was a joke. Still do.

[@ysf-d9i]

how do you know hikaru isn't cheating? ... on his wife

[@4T0O]

why can't someone think so? Anti-cheat measures should apply to everyone, even Hikaru, even Magnus, that's the main point. However, Kramnik interprets Hikaru's statistic wrong

[@josephcorbin8073]

​​​@@4T0Obecause if you watch his stream for more than 60 seconds, you quickly realize it's impossible. The guy literally verbalizes his stream of thought non-stop, telling us exactly why he's making a move, what effect it has on the game-state, how he expects his opponent to react, exactly which opening theory they are in with any variations, he premoves constantly, and all this while reading chat and answering random non-chess questions. Now you tell me why he can be cheating.

[@4T0O]

@@josephcorbin8073 I also do not think Hikaru is cheating. But my idea is that we can never be 100% sure talking about online chess that someone is not cheating

[@josephcorbin8073]

@@4T0O fair enough, but I think the probability Hikaru would cheat is so negligible it is considered 0. Only if the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is proven true would I concede it is possible 😉

[@cheetah219]

Gotham point at the 6 minute mark is absolutely spot on. Before 2020, I didn't know any modern famous chess players except for Gary Kasparov or Bobby Fischer. But magnus, Haikaru...no I didn't know them to put it simply. But the skill for these players was always there, the public, like me, just didn't know them. And then, other twitch and youtubers started playing chess, quarantine, and then Hikaru and Gotham really blew up after 2020. Even Magnus got a resurgence and other GMs like Naroditsky, Rosen, Fabi...all of these players had a career resurgence

[@ScottWaltonDev]

12:37 Hikaru also talked about the effect of tilt so, I’m guessing, a statistician could possibly build a Markov chain to nudge up the probability that the winner keeps winning against the same opponent.

Hikaru is the absolute last person on Earth who would even contemplate cheating in any chess game.

[@vintce6019]

*Magnus you mean

[@TheWildSlayer]

Kramnik calculating his way into the grave

[@xabu2850]

I was thinking of posting this on the last video: you said something like 2% probability of this happening. So if Hikaru plays 50 games a day, we would expect this to happen about every two months. So these chess cheating scandals seem to basically be "look at this really not that low probability event with thousands of observations and it happened once"

[@davcrav]

Indeed. I was expecting when he started his "statistics" saying something like "this outcome is a 1 in 10 billion" or something like that. At least seven sigma. But 1%? Oh, you mean like it happens three times a year if you do something every day?

[@zura17]

Hikaru did a 40 game win streak again yesterday on stream

[@justvani9366]

One of the biggest Kramink's mistake is that he takes the online ELO (which is ridiculously inflated) but not the real FIDE Elo of the players. Hikaru is 2800+ and the IMs are 2300+ real ratings which means that these 500 points correlate to 95% winning chance for Hikaru! If they play 100 games, 95 will be won by Hikaru and there could be 4 draws and 1 loss. Hikaru only played 10+ games with IMs and then switch to another players. Not enough data for Kramnik. Just toilet fireworks. :) Not to mention the fact that he excludes the 'farming lower rated opponents' and flagging components. Because a flagging where Hikaru would loose is counted as win. These 2% that Kramnik is talking about are not correct...

[@billyocean9236]

This is truly a shame. I actually admired that Kramnik was publicly taking a stand against cheaters online. Unfortunately, that train derailed before it gained traction and has entered a disgusting territory. I do not think Hikaru is not cheating. He is just one of the greats.

[@masoodjalal1152]

You liked Kramnik before, but the moment he turned his guns towards someone you like (you are biased towards). You are now turning your back on your stance. Why not investigate it and prove Hikaru's innocence. They did the whole investigation for Hans, why cant they do for Hikaru? If he didnt cheat, it would be revealed in the investigation. What Kramnik said is perfectly reasonable, Hikaru shouldnt get special treatment just because he is fan favorite. Funny thing is when Hans was accused everyone attacked him and went out of their way to make the most absurd arguments like "beads", but right now everyone is defending Hikaru like he is their daddy. Double standards.

[@afonsosolano5274]

​@@masoodjalal1152Because they already very his games.

[@prfwrx2497]

​@@masoodjalal1152probably because we've seen Hikaru cook. If your definition of cheating includes memorizing sets of openers, then sure, he's definitely "cheating". There's a reason he's best known for blitz and not regular chess.

[@vercot7000]

@@masoodjalal1152 They...already have investigated hikaru. What? did you forget 2016 BCC?

[@mrdobivka9091]

Levy never fails to feature himself in a GothamChess videos

[@guayabamecanica]

Hikaru will probably complain tomorrow about this.

[@octobsession3061]

Levy never fails to be Levy in every GothamChess video

[@nolanmccune8982]

The fact Hikaru did the streak again shows how he doesn’t care about this accusation lol

[@bradlupien2770]

“Chess doesn’t drive people mad; it keeps mad people sane” - some guy

[@Vandalgia]

Kramnik's accusation aside, the way he handled this is really immature, Jesus Christ. Of all things he could do, he decided to silence his detractor who actually brought a decent argument, *who told Kramnik that he's more than willing to be proven wrong* , and instead of dismantling the argument one by one, Kramnik choose to denigrate him by simply dismissing the argument by basically saying, "nah man, you spout pure BS. I ain't gonna explain shit, but you guys just had to trust me, that as someone who had an experience in statistics, his calculation is pure BS." Man, top level chess players sure are bunches of high school level of drama queens.

[@nemuonakpoya8592]

I dont think kramnik has seen hikaru's speed in puzzles... it's crazy to assume Hikaru of cheating lol. He is literally the best or 2nd best blitz player of all time... maybe kramnik will accuse magnus next😂.

[@MagnusAnand]

Kramnik is going the Fischer route

[@losmiercoles]

And in this position, Kramnik sacrifices.... HIS CREDIBILITY!!!!

[@nico2319]

In 11:25 , to put it simply, lets say if levy and magnus play 1 game the probability of levy winning would be slim, but if they play a thousand games the chance of levy winning 1 game out of those 1000 games is very likely. The only one cheating here is kramnik on his math exams.

[@Jackonian]

My biggest gripe with Kramnik's argument is the whole leaning on the "mathematical probability according to mathematicians" angle. Mathematicians, presumably, who are providing input from a mathematical standpoint alone, and not a Chess playing one? Last I checked, Chess is not a game that incorporates probability. Moves aren't decided by flipping a coin or rolling a dice. Chess is a game of strategy, memory, calculation, pattern recognition, visualisation... neither maths nor probability is part of the equation that makes a professional good at Chess. Trying to argue that someone is cheating on a basis of mathematical probability, at a game that incorporates no mathematics or probability, is either profoundly ignorant, brazenly disingenuous, or possibly both. I'm not going to try and give a verdict on what Kramnik is.

[@kagegakurenokuni]

but if you take chess not according to mathemaricans angle, then whose word has more weight than Kramnik's? both him and Hikaru are from top 20 players currently alive, and when such people accusing each other, noobs like you, myself or even Gothamchess should stay silent. If this is a mathematical problem, than anyone's opinon is equal until it has numbers under it, but from chess perspective we're just nobody and know nothing. Maybe Kasparov or Magnus can judge them, but not us.

[@muhammadaminkozimov1528]

Another demonstration of the fact that being good at chess doesn't mean you are actually smart

[@jonathanlivingston7358]

Man you’re so good at what you do

[@sivelasquez]

Imagine if Hikaru beats kramnik 45 times over the board in the most watched chess event of the year

[@saviplayer4546]

That would be wild 💀💀

[@raidensama1511]

Once you understand Price’s Law then you’ll know why Hikaru is not cheating.

[@DM_Curtis]

Hikaru is clearly using a Hikaru-bot.

[@mrmilkman9742]

“And he sacrifices THE RESPEEEEEEEECT!!!!!!!!”

If Hikaru were to resort to cheating in a chess game, the repercussions could metaphorically create a gravitational pull of consequences, akin to the powerful force of a black hole.

[@noahblack914]

Now, I'm pretty confident Hikaru is legit. But, I'll never say he's too good to cheat. People say this all the time in speedrunning cheating scandals, and then it turns out the person was provably cheating. They feel entitled to the record _because_ they're so good. Still, the public numbers are with Hikaru. I'll be waiting for Kramnik's numbers.

[@canadianguy8661]

True, I think there’s an additional component to this case though because Hikaru would be jeopardizing 30 years of hard work, literally his entire life’s work. Which is a bigger risk than a speed runner

[@noahblack914]

@@canadianguy8661 Totally true. Like I said, I think Kramnik has it all wrong. But I just wanted to let it be said that "He's too good to cheat" is not a good argument.

[@slicedtoad]

@RaniaIsAwesome if his odds of winning are 14/15, the likelihood of winning 45 games in a row is NOT very low. It's (14/15)^45 = 0.045. So 4.5% chance that a set of 45 games will be all wins. If you play thousands of games, this will happen often.

[@ReconissanceMa]

People on reddit acting like Kramnik accusing Hikaru is somehow equal to the Hans cheating scandal drives me crazy.

[@kagegakurenokuni]

well, a former world champion accusing not a former world champion. looks similar to me.

[@ReconissanceMa]

@@kagegakurenokuni One admitted to cheating and had a whole report commissioned into the matter by actual professionals. The other has an old guy spouting baseless claims. Care to guess who is who? Lmao. Do you really think these situations are similar beyond the topic of cheating?

[@kagegakurenokuni]

the difference is mostly based on how popular involved people were. both were accused without solid evidence, but while one used lawers to get himself off the hook, other just had an army of fans whose main proof is "hikaru can't cheat". and those fans are mostly the same people who still believe hans used a buttplug to cheat just becase hikaru once said it may be. it has nothing to do with a truth, it's just in whom people choose to trust.

[@MonkeyAndChicken]

Kramnik is a perfect example of why having a poor grasp of statistics is SO MUCH WORSE than having no grasp of statistics.

[@Hidinginyourcupboard]

This is also known as the 'backfire effect', where people double-down when shown to be wrong

[@loganpaulwastakenwastaken]

You’re more famous than kramnik will ever be. Never heard of 99% of chess people until I found your channel. Whether those nerds like it or not they need to respect and acknowledge how important you’ve been to the game of chess.

[@TheRebellion-X]

Nah Kramnik is basically in world history forever

[@griffinq8003]

Calm down buddy, Levy's ego is already big enough

[@Frog-2001]

Wow. That last image. That made me kind of emotional. They look so happy, Kramnik was a cool guy too from the podcast I watched but this. Theres no reason for this, and doubling tripling and even quaddruppleing it just wow. Kramnik just turned himself into the biggest clown of chess overtaking my favorite clown of all time GohamChess who will the 2nd biggest clown on chess

[@agarrikr2996]

Wow, I’m waiting for the pin of glory/shame. Edit : don’t know which it will be. And yes, this is not an edit.

[@masoodjalal1152]

Kramnik was cool guy until he turned his guns towards your beloved player. I dont see any problem with Kramnik's proposal, Hikaru should be investigated and if he is innocent, that will be proved as such. Turns out people would rather attack Kramnik for accusing Hikaru, but they were quick to jump in line with Magnus and Hikaru when they accused Nieman. If you keep the Hans Nieman Saga in mind and read the comments, you will see the double standards here.

[@Frog-2001]

@@masoodjalal1152 Hans Niemann is litterally a confirmed cheater. He admitted to cheating in online game with money on the line. the game vs Magnus is still suspicious to this very day. His inability to analyse his own game,n inability to analyse without the board and the computer line showing(both of which he can do perfectly now for some reason),unable to explain the thought process behind moves, just out right saying wrong stuff is suspecious and was litterally never explained by him. Hikarus accusation on the other hand, is easily explainable and has been explained by many people but Kramnik still doubling down.

[@jloiterer]

"I believe it is clear You don't fully understand how probability works...." what a quote. I am team Hikaru on this one, it's ridiculous to accuse him of cheating. This dude accusing Hikaru is Salieri to Hikaru's Mozart....

[@LiamPearce246]

When they say "Hikaru is so good playing online" it annoys me. It's much more relaxing and easier to play online.

[@mattdyne]

Levy is low-key my coolest friend. I don't know the guy but he feels like my friend

[@Lemill1on]

you know youre good when people call you a cheater

[@masoodjalal1152]

So Hans is good?

[@badcornflakes6374]

​@@masoodjalal1152 A very strong chess player Hans is.

[@JimmyKim-fb1ji]

@@masoodjalal1152he is, 2675 fide rating and top 44 in the world pretty dang good if you ask me

[@lukab8963]

Levy never fails to put this hikamura guy in his videos

[@thomasp12384]

I once won 12 times in a row and I am like 1300. If I (a total noob) can win ten times in a row to near equal opponents, it's not unlikely that Hikaru can butcher people he is up against as long as as long as he likes and win (as long as they are not supergrandmasters)

[@poppyharlow4448]

Hikaru goin on another 45 game win streak just to prove a point is fuckin alpha as hell lmao

[@unstoppable0120]

Updates never fail to Levy us.

[@abdoflaha5006]

The thing about super GMs is that it's nearly impossible to know if they cheated since they know all the theory and most endgame outcomes and all they need to know is 1 move unlike a regular person who needs multiple moves to build and convert an advantage, so how are you supposed to detect that?????? IMO Hikaru doesn't seem like the type to cheat he already has everything a Chess player dreams of (alien like ELO/great fanbase/good sponsors...etc), so why would he jeopardize that?

[@masoodjalal1152]

" so how are you supposed to detect that?????? " Aparently it is easy to do, since Hikaru and Magnus quickly detected that Han's cheated.

[@abdoflaha5006]

@@masoodjalal1152 they couldn't confirm it.

[@DIAMONDBOIII]

Levy never fails to keep us posted on chess drama! Gothamchess is like the news channel but only for chess.

[@francissemrany4912]

The news lie.

[@stevenvary7324]

Kramnik should say say sorry i was drunk Now hes just proven that hard to deal with geting old situation

[@陈祥智-y3v]

I totally agree with what the mathematician said. Even though I'm not of math degree or anything, just a little bit logical thinking is going to put me in the same conclusion as what the mathematician says. Funny how narrow minded Kremnik is, the guy really didn't realize how Online exposure is bigger than what he'd ever thought. People can judge freely online. Respect you Levy for covering this drama, never back down. Keep farming this out of us HAHA

[@supersayan6318]

What is Levy covering up? Covering it up = hiding it Covering it = talking about it on his channel

[@陈祥智-y3v]

@@supersayan6318 ohh my bad hahahaha i just realize it after reading your comment. Edited!

[@Brazz27]

I know some people who had a huge psychosis (I had to kick them away from my life), and Kremnik is having a similar attack right now by the way he's handling this on Twitter and overall. I hope he ends up being ok. That's kinda sad to see. And Im sorry for saying that if he ends up being right (which Im giving a 0.1% chance of happening as of now).

[@Blawir]

Levy never fails to fail at failing.

[@RedBloodAura]

So he wins?

[@wyatt16]

@@RedBloodAurayes

[@mrdobivka9091]

makes sense

[@itsnottylor4011]

Kramnik be like: "I'm not accusing anyone of cheating but" *accuses Hikaru of cheating*

[@mastersanada]

Soon enough Hikaru is gonna install a computer display cam and roof cam just for Kramnik

[@ghostbaconhair]

Kramnik always fails to be normal ❤❤

[@mrdobivka9091]

As a 600 elo GM I can confirm that all of the Hikarus moves are top engine moves

[@daidzamilija007]

I think the problem for some older chess players is that they don't want to understand that there are better players than they ever were, like Hikaru or Magnus So package the envy nicely like this😂😂😂

[@geoffreygeorge999]

Imean kramnik at his peak was better than hikaru

[@daidzamilija007]

@@geoffreygeorge999 never

[@geoffreygeorge999]

@@daidzamilija007 He was World champion for god sake

[@fSFan333]

as a math student, this is the different type of cringe let's be real he's just lost every sanity ever just in a few months honestly, at this point and with the amount of typos he does in his answers, I wouldn't be surprised if he took some type of drugs.

[@BiosTheo]

Given a large enough sample size all probabilities, no matter how improbable, become certainties.

[@annstropes2236]

First of all, great content! Thank you. I don’t think Hikaru is cheating. I’ve watched too many of his streams. I’m a very beginning chess player, but I’ve been an artist for a long time. May I make a video compositional suggestion? I would kindly suggest moving your awesome new Displate rook poster toward the door and slightly above your books on the right? This way, we can see the poster better and it would create a nice visual balance with your large book poster on the bottom left. 🙂

[@ia3423]

Levy never fails to let statistics speak for itself

[@connorskudlarek8598]

My view... investigate Hikaru. Anytime someone is accused by a peer for cheating in chess, you should assume the accusation is made in good faith, that they really do believe they cheated, and that there is something to look at. Not assume Hikaru did, just don't immediately reject the accusation on your prior beliefs. It's entirely possible the Kramnik thinks he's found a friend of his cheating. And maybe that hurt. And maybe... he's right. Almost certainly he's wrong. There is virtually no chance he's right. But there is also no harm at all in looking at Hikaru's games and seeing what possibility of cheating there is. So just do it.