Super-Charged Maestro - 1923 Fiat 805/405 - Assetto Corsa

[@L00PdeL00P]

8:38 no dramatic music, no foreshadowing, no history books or documentaries to prepare you for the horrors and hell on earth that was about to transpire, just 16 spectators and a driver dead and seriously injured in a split second. “Well that takes care of him! *troll face*”

8:41. *Sees a car going into a bunch a spectators* "Well that takes care of him !" 😂 Went full Speed Racer sociopath on this one !

[@gr0bbelaar]

RIP to all!

[@scullystie4389]

GPL: It looks so nice with those whitewall Pirelli tires Crofty: Axelson has chosen to start on the hard compound, interesting strategy

[@the_yiga_blademaster]

I really love these older french circuits: Rouen Les Essarts, Reims Gueux, Le Mans and in particular Clermont Ferrand. Absolutely stunning

[@mino73T11]

Clermont Ferrand ❤️ absolutely

[@Villoresi]

I'm glad we have versions of it, but I'm really hoping for a good, detailed rendering of old Charade in one of the sims. Unfortunately, I think Fat-Alfie has so much on his plate already that it'll be a while for that one.

[@edwardburek1717]

8:40 RIP GPLaps' Fiat team-mate

[@dariopiovani5077]

Not really here to go full on gearheadnazi, but the thing was Wittig-type supercharged, not turbocharged, with a Roots-type supercharged version coming later for racing on Monza. Dug through some Italian documents (I am Italian myself) to investigate into this and yeah, gotta confirm there's very little about this car around the net aside from historical FIAT archives and similar things... Very interesting car and well done mod - I only ever knew about the Bugatti Tank thing before, lol. The Voisin is very, very intriguing...

[@GPLaps]

Silly of me for saying Turbo Charger, even I know the difference there! Thank you for calling that out, its important!

[@tman9142]

@@GPLaps Hey man have you ever watched Victory by Design by Alain de Cadenet? Brilliant program he chooses a manufacturer and starts with their first GP car and goes up through the years in GRAVE detail. The KZbin videos have iffy quality though

[@Villoresi]

@@tman9142 Glad to see a shout-out for that show. Damn, I dearly wish that had kept going. Word was the next program they were going to make was going to be about Lancia.

[@OrdinaryLatvian]

Please keep being a gearheadnazi, the world is better because of people like you.

[@joonasarmpalu7805]

I think people who have subscribed to this channel welcome any gearheadnazis i.e people who care about historical accuracy.

[@RacingBrosOfficial]

Awesome to see more and more cars from this era being produced for assetto corsa! The car looks absolutely beautiful, great video!

[@solex9396]

"ROUEN LES ESSARTS" I like this circuit!

[@duckheadgaming]

One of my favourite classic tracks!

[@Villoresi]

Motion seconded!

[@dinsmark9599]

Yet another great car from this set! Downloaded it yesterday and it's been a blast racing it with the other '23 cars. Honestly some of the better racing I've experienced in AC in a while.

[@PayasYouListen]

The circuit looks so much more claustrophobic compared to how I remember it in GLP. Especially the back section where the other FIAT died on lap one.

[@bobmcl2406]

Gosh, I love your in-car play by play banter. That must take real concentration. You and Jimmy Broadbent share that gift.

[@miguelelgueta5830]

You are my new favourite simracing youtuber, I really like your commenting, not over the top and very well informed cheers

[@RemcoHitman]

This track is soo good in VR; driving past the radio tower and looking up really gives you a special kid of vertigo. It's crazy! Get it now!

[@AMRosa10]

I don't think you need to worry about the circuit not being period 1923. If we can play games and use a sim to imagine that we are driving cars from almost 100 years ago, then we can also imagine that sometime in the 1950's a car club assembled these cars together and held a classics car race at these circuits.

[@kupper1138]

Been waiting for this. Thanks for breaking the news GPLAPS!

[@johnrenton3463]

A great presentation of another great vintage addition for our old style driving pleasure!

[@mino73T11]

I am "afraid" sooner or later we'll have the so called beast of Turin in Assetto Corsa! 😉 Agreed about not having any HUD on the screen, but for us it might be interesting to see a tiny window in a corner showing what you're doing with the pedals... Just an idea

[@OrileyBomb]

The beast of Turin would be great. I’d love to see the cycle cars that race at good wood. Stuff like the GN specials, so much power with no rear differential would be such a handful to drive.

[@miguelelgueta5830]

yeah, it would.be really interesting.a.camera.in the pedals

[@declanrex9435]

Was looking forward to this video, your discord is a great community.

[@ryklatortuga4146]

8:35 - you did well to airbrush out your Red Shell in post production of this video - Super Mario Axelsson

[@sanny8716]

Didn't know Axelsson family had Italian origins! (this is my head canon now)

[@unknownceilings1]

really wish there was more documentation of pre-second world war grand prix racing, particularly of the circuits

[@Villoresi]

Well, I'm sure a lot of it was lost due to the War. Even without that though, given the technology of the day, and the sheer scale of many of those circuits, it's hardly surprising that it's tough to compile a comprehensive record.

[@chrisflyvr]

I think one has really to go into the museum's for that and into the archives. Starting with the local archives in the city where the tracks were located and look for documents etc. Some racetracks have museums too like Nürburgring. Then there are universities in Germany teaching "corporation history" so you can gain access to Auto union documents or Thyssen Krupp stuff. One just need time and money to do it professionally

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

Fiat's GP Racing days = Ferrari Before Ferrari.

[@chrisflyvr]

These Vintage mods are the main reason I am saving for an oculus rift s right now.

[@cjspillmann5576]

13:40 the Ledfoot lunge returns!

[@roberthanson579]

I like these videos. Keep them coming. WHOAH!

[@countvladblack9316]

Fantastic tune on the hooter / horn!

[@bijn1848]

That just looks magnificent, wow.

[@therealjuralumin3416]

"I love how the driver hangs out the side of the car, it's very foreign to racing these days" Unless you're a fan of sidecar racing!

[@popshedpilot6635]

@Charles Gnarley did you not see roman grosjean's crash,

[@GoganLiesbrecht]

@Charles Gnarley F1 is still very much dangerous, any sport where the driver isn't concealed is dangerous. You want a safe sport watch nascar. They're coffins that are safe

[@GoganLiesbrecht]

@Charles Gnarley i'm not saying anything else isn't dangerous, all i'm saying is that f1 and other motorsports are still dangerous. If formula cars were safe we'd still have Antoine

[@holeshotshane6344]

Lol sidecars aren't actually cars

[@GoganLiesbrecht]

@Charles Gnarley yes i know that. Hubert died in an f2 car, built to (or at least trying to be) the same safety regulations as formula one, it isn't a vert good point i'll give you that. But it still shows how dangerous f1 can still be Halo or not, it's still dangerous

[@dougroberts3840]

These old cars are the bomb, keep up these awesome videos of these classics

[@CheapAbyss]

8:38 I wonder what it would feel like in real life to be behind another driver and suddenly see them speed right into their death

[@TheTennessyean]

So completely different racing, but I used to help a friend with his drag cars when they’d run at the local track on Fridays. I was an oval track driver (late models) so I was happy to help since he’d usually return the favor and help me on Saturday night when I ran. I’d make adjustments to the car, load the icebox in the trunk for the inter cooler, typical pit crew stuff. The friend who owned the cars asked if I’d like to make a pass after the actual competition in a grudge race (which is just racing on the track for fun). I said sure. I remember I botched the launch and got off late at the light, and the car in the right lane jumped way out. He started pedaling though because something went wrong with the car, I pulled ahead just as he was hitting the wall. The elation of winning took over, and it wasn’t until I got back to the pits, saw everyone running over there that it registered what just happened. The car had gotten loose, turned sideways and went nose first into the wall. He died on impact. I’ve never made another pass down a drag strip, and didn’t want to race my own car but made myself do it. TL;DR: It doesn’t register at first because you’re so fixated on driving.

[@antispeed]

If you get a chance you need to make it out to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, they have lots of pre-war cars like this (although lower powered) all the way up to early 60's Formula Juniors, racing around a picturesque city park circuit with period correct safety standards!

[@sergioloro]

massive fun... we need a 20's track....

[@Villoresi]

Well, technically, the Nurburgring is a '20s track; the Nurburgring '67 mod so far is probably the closest to how it really was. The next best I think we can hope for is an attempt at a faithful, old Monza, with the lower banking and realigned run fro Vialone to Parabolica. The full, 12.5-km Montlhery, with no chicanes, would be nice, too. I suppose the other "easy" one would be the full, 12-mile AVUS, pre-banking. Beyond those, it gets a lot tougher. In some cases, even figuring out quite where the roads went could be a problem. And as Fat-Alfie (David Pemberton) points out, you really have to fill in a lot of gaps with your imagination.

[@sergioloro]

@@Villoresi you are right!! imagination is needed for sure :) but now there is more info at the net, when build some 30's tracks for GPL it was almost impossible to find out a photo of any track... well, it was 14 years back in time..

[@chrisflyvr]

What about Südschleife at Nürburgring? As I saw in the museum there, it's been there in 1928 or so.

[@clockdva20]

I quote here from an internet source . This car seems not to be a he first Fiat to be fitted with a Supercharger. But maybe have been the first GP win using a Supercharger. Seems to be a little grey area . "whilst the 805 usually gets the twin accolades of first win by a supercharged car and first Grand Prix win so equipped, in more recent times those records are accorded the Fiat 803. This car, powered by a normally aspirated 1.5 litre engine won the 375 mile Italian Small Car race at Monza in late 1922. In 1923, by then powered by a Tipo 403 1.5 litre, DOHC, Wittig-blown four cylinder engine an 803 won the 29 June 1923 Voiturette Grand Prix at Brescia, Alessandro Cagno was the driver. As a consequence we now say the 803 was the first car to win an event supercharged, and the first to win a Grand Prix so powered, both achievements took place at Brescia on 29 June with Cagno the driver." Source primotipo.com/tag/fiat-805/. Very interesting site here .

[@Max.44]

Hadn't noticed that you race without the Hud till you said so cause I always do it too. Using the cars instruments is alot more fun :D

[@Max.44]

Oh and definitely brilliant content I'll subscribe to that!

[@chrisflyvr]

I still need a small indicator which gear I'm in

[@richysracing9524]

Absolutely insanity the drivers was back in the day my hat is off to them and REST IN PEACE to the unfortunate ones and there families, This is why assetto corsa is amazing, And its free i mean jheeeezus, Respect to gplaps for doing this video 💯🙏👌👌👌

[@TheStlgg]

Great video. I bet this car is awesome in VR

[@holeshotshane6344]

It kinda sounds like it's part model T and part X-wing starfighter lol sick

[@Villoresi]

Yeah, it might have been a bit unfair to try to do this at Reims or Monza, or even Montlhery, given the Fiat's straight-line potential. Clermont-Ferrand would have been another excellent circuit for this, though the existing mods for it aren't up to the same standard as this and others. Nicecuppatea has started in on the Delage 2LCV, as that one is much easier to find info on compared to the Rolland-Pilain A22. I suppose, to really finish off the season, it would be nice to have the Miller 122 Special, Benz RH, and Alfa Romeo P1. The Benz is definitely an odd looker. And I know the P1 didn't race, but was in practice for the Italian GP, until Ugo Sivocci crashed. I think a hillclimb would put the Fiat and Bugatti at a clear disadvantage. I'm thinking that something like the Deutschlandring could offer a fairly balanced lap overall. Aside from that, there's the track you tried the other 3 out on, Fonteny, though that one may be skewed a bit toward cars that are better in the twisties as well. Would the Sudschleife maybe be a good option for comparing the 4 cars? BTW, have you watched the video highlights of the 1962 French GP from Rouen? That's a fun one, and historically significant, with Gurney giving Porsche its only F1 victory as a full-on works effort. Having seen the 804 in the Porsche Museum, I'm amazed they got Dan to fit in that thing given how tall he was.

[@DYNANiK]

I suggest the mod "Real head motion" .... without it it looks so static!

[@unknownceilings1]

extraordinary that Rouen was still in use until the mid 1990s

[@Villoresi]

Yes, even if it was in noticeably altered form. It's also mind-blowing that FIA GT went to Montlhery in 1994-95.

[@unknownceilings1]

@@Villoresi that was such a weird race, the footage of it is kind of surreal

[@JazzSaxUT]

Great video. Where did you get the German Countryside track?

[@kolbpilot]

Interesting the FIAT had two tachometers. Probably a safety feature in case one failed ?

[@isamuu99]

"Ohwah!!"

[@riderofthemark6661]

Amazing video GPlaps wow!! i'll download it straight away! What's the name of the free roam track/town at the begining?

[@GPLaps]

Aspertsham!

[@riderofthemark6661]

@@GPLaps Thanks =)

[@megatony4063]

@@GPLaps no issues showing this? Just read on RD that they pulled the track and asked for no videos to be produced. I love the track and the video.. just curious. www.racedepartment.com/threads/track-aspertsham.193202/

[@GPLaps]

Oh, I had no idea. Ive had this installed for quite some time so hopefully there are no issues.

[@megatony4063]

@@GPLaps I won't say anything if you don't. 😉

[@christopherdwight6885]

Great vid. Love these old cars. What’s the open world German countryside track?

[@ryansmith1312]

I'd like to know this too. A suggestion for all sim racing content types - put a watermark on the vid saying the track or anything else interesting we might want to know. *edits* Whups I kept scrollin. Aspertsham.

[@one43racing]

#MeToo 😈 Open roads junkie 😈

[@fredschriks8554]

@@ryansmith1312 Removed from Race Department. Can't find it anywhere.

[@AdmiralStickney]

@@fredschriks8554 I have a copy. If you'd like I can upload it to my google drive and send you the link.

[@VITORB82]

RIP FIAT dude at 8:41

[@josh-uk9627]

What track was the first one?

[@SharonD369]

It sounds like the Anti Gravity cars in Total Recall lol

[@firestormlivingsolutions]

Thank god

[@StreetLugeNetwork]

quick and easy way to tell which is the Sunbeam and which is the Fiat is that on the Sunbeam there is one number on the center of the tail and Fiat has 2 numbers on either side of the tail. this is of course only needed if you use the non national colour schemes :)

[@RobinBooze468]

Great video! Could you provide the track name/link of the open road map you drove in at the beggining? I really enjoy those kind of tracks

[@jorgebecerra4102]

I need the same, but with the cars of the 70s and 80s of the old USAC or CART. The actual Indycar.

[@holeshotshane6344]

Im glad Cup of Tea didnt program the unreliable tendencies lol.

[@johannes914]

Sounds like a vacuum cleaner...

[@JeanSuki]

What track are you using for the test drive?

[@williamphelps5047]

i would love to find out and download that one!

[@torp95]

Any plans to do a video on the f1 1958 mod for AMS?

[@adelegallardoaragon1462]

What is that panel thing that shows up every time you complete a lap? Also, where can I find it? Thanks in advance

[@dodge33cymru]

Great video, nice presentation style - I'm enjoying the historic AC coverage thanks. I love this Rouen by Sergio, but until now hadn't found anything narrow enough to really race on it; a GT40 is about as wide as the track! There's a skin on Racedepartment to give the 'correct' yellow lines BTW: www.racedepartment.com/downloads/rouen-les-essarts-60s-retouch.33814/ I never thought AC had great AI, but I've realised on mods with good AI files (both car and circuit) it's really good, as you see here with your dice with the Bugatti and Sunbeam. Recommendation for you: try Pessio Garage 'Scorpion' (Abarth 1000TC).

[@holeshotshane6344]

Its because red, white, and black always looks good.

[@AggVagga]

Too much understeer, why don't you apply left foot braking to correct it?

[@torp95]

Whats is the name of the free roam track??

[@AndecIunson]

I think it is this one. acmods.net/tracks/aspertsham/

[@Algernon7]

@@AndecIunson Thank you so much!

[@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303]

Was this that car with a plane engine

[@nelsonglover3963]

Nope, this car used a turbocharged 2L straight 8 designed for road racing. There was Mephistopheles that used a 1923 Fiat chassis and a Fiat aero engine. (As well as many other inter-war race cars)

[@dariopiovani5077]

Yeah that would be the Mefistofele (Mephistopheles).. but also the mighty S76, that supposedly had an engine that was derived from a blimp/airship engine of all things, lol.

[@TheDefender123Plays]

100 years ago

[@newtronix]

Can you get the Beast of Turin?

[@lolshark99b49]

Has anyone made a 1923 Le Mans track?

[@torp95]

closest one is the 32-67 layout

[@luigisergi3469]

Please do Monza in it

[@clockdva20]

Nice mod , but the sounds need sorting .I am guessing their would have been a co- driver , doing things like fuel pumping and oil.

[@chrisflyvr]

Yes. He mentioned it in an earlier video that it would be a static mannequin without animation. As it is not possible to animate them in Assetto Corsa or something like this, when I remember it correctly

[@MatthewVanHelgen]

A mod for the FIAT 806?!? It would be fantastic... 😍

[@Villoresi]

Of course, to go with that, you'd want the Delage 15 S8, Talbot-Darracq GP, Bugatti Type 39A, and Maserati Tipo 26.

[@MatthewVanHelgen]

@@Villoresi yes

[@person9815]

What ai settings do you use?

[@LordGreenskin82]

Is this playable with a PS2 kind of Joystick?

[@rolux4853]

Can somebody please tell me the name of the German freeroam map? I’m from Germany and I really want to drive there to feel at home and comfortable when I don’t wanna race!

[@GPLaps]

It was called 'ASPERTSHAM', however I believe it was removed per legal action from the german government.

[@rolux4853]

@@GPLaps thank you man! that really sucks, why is our government doing this stuff all the time :( Now I have to find a generous person in a Reddit thread or some discord to send it to me via Dropbox or something. Another „interesting“ task haha. Btw thanks for what you’re doing, you have the best vintage sim racing channel! You brought me into vintage SIM racing and your videos are really soothing me and the way you present them is amazing! I have some real older sportscars but I was frustrated there where no Trackdays in the winter and my cars have only a summer registration, so I couldn’t scratch my driving itch. You showed me a whole new world that’s calming me down and bringing me joy after a stressful day! Just have to up my rig game sometimes this year.

[@hempoki]

8:38 he probably would die if it was real life race

[@klaybbbbbb]

That Fiat definitely died

[@TheBeigeBox]

This made me E

[@lemmysverruca]

8:39 wasted

[@unitedfools3493]

I see bikes with wider tyres than this.

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

Sounds like a pod racer.😂

[@oliverjrgensen8597]

first

[@lolshark99b49]

What is the name of the free-roam track?