GR3/x vs ZV-1 -Unconventional Comparison Not What You'd Expect

[@MOTOSINFO]

2:40 not entirely true. There the MR option on the Sony ZV-1 menu where you can save pre-settings for both video and photo and switch between the modes so you have your camera ready for video or photo with your own custom settings. It is great, for instance I have 4 pre-settings, 2 for video, 2 for pictures, Mode 1 for video I have is 4K 24, Mode 2 video is for 1080 120FPS for video in slow motion, mode 3 pictures in raw and flat profile for post and mode 4 is JPEG for pictures in black and white.

[@mattisulanto]

Yes, (almost) every camera has these custom memory settings and many people use them as a workaround. However, it's not quite the same as separate settings for both photo and video.

[@joshgalita]

This actually is the comparison that keeps running in my head. So yes, I might have expected this comparison and this video covered it on point. Glad I'm not the only one who wants this type of comparison between the GR IIIx and ZV1

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks so much and good to hear you liked my video.

[@tuck2k]

thank you for an interesting showdown of two great cameras! ;)

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you too!

[@yellahbe]

I just got the Sony ZV-1 used and intend to use it as a photography camera only. The Ricoh GR3/3x is amazing indeed, but it comes at quite the cost. Secondhand they still go for €7-800 (and more). The ZV-1 is much less expensive in the secondary market today. Many young aspiring vloggers bought this camera when it came out, since vlogging was all the hype. But today they're not using it anymore. I bought mine for €330 in almost new condition, with the vlogging grip that I sold off for €30. So incredible value!

[@navis5284]

Your conclusion is EXACTLY as I suspected!

[@flyfishfotofan]

Thanks!

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you so much!

[@sop81740]

Your videos are always so helpful and I can feel your passion and skils. You really put much effort by every video and that is so heartwarming. Thank you so much for the videos.

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you so much!

[@Benderlaiv]

You forgot a detail about the zv-1... although it was implicit when you said the guts are RX100V, it was worth mentioning the sensor is stacked (as fast read speed as Sony A9), so you can shoot silent without rolling shutter. I like doing street photography in silent mode, and my A7IV sensor is too slow for that.

[@FelixKusuma]

I'm a person who very used to shoot with APSC Camera, started from Sony a5000 and now Fujifilm X-A7 as my main still camera, i own a Sony ZV1 as my video camera, and since the size is very pocketable i took it for some travel photography. The thing is i travel with a toddler so i need to travel lightweight, and the size of ZV1 is just nice, however at the beginning i was struggling to get a good image going with full Manual mode or even Aperture Priority mode. Being frustrated unable to get good quality image, i switch to Intelligent Auto mode and BOOM! The image suddenly become good, i shoot the remaining of my travel with ZV1 in Intelligent Auto mode

[@nix123ism]

I, too shoot with apsc cameras , also have a Fuji xa7 and a few lenses, had a Sony a5100, but have just purchased a Sony zv1 second hand, hasn't arrived yet but my thoughts were, bit sick of carrying my Fuji kit with all the lenses etc and the hassle of changing lenses so bought the zv1 to see if I could deal with that type of camera on an everyday basis, travel a lot and getting a kit to travel with is just too heavy and cumbersome and hopefully the zv1 will work out, I was in Japan 1 month ago and had my Samsung nx2000 and only a 18-55 lens and didn't miss the full kit I had at home...

[@FelixKusuma]

@nix123ism i just finished my holidays in Johor Bahru and Singapore and i only bring the ZV1, here's my take on this compact camera: 1. Very lightweight, easy to carry and quite versatile focal length for travel 2. Small camera means small battery, bring your spare batteries 3. Image quality is ok, definitely not as sharp & details with nice bokeh like APSC camera but still usable social media 4. Sony color is not as nice as Fuji, post processing is needed So for the verdict, it's a nice camera for travel if you're not pixel peeping person

[@nix123ism]

@@FelixKusuma yes, there are always going to be compromises with going compact rather than apsc, my Fuji takes great photos and I have a 10-24 and a 12mm prime and like that focal length but of course a compact won't have that but the zv1 I bought has a lens attachment that will give me 18mm so am hoping it will be my all round camera package in a small but still capable package. My last trip I didn't even take a camera because I restricted myself to carry on luggage only and used a pixel 3 phone for my photographs, took some pretty good shots apart from low light conditions, night shots.

[@ruuddirks5565]

I think this is a question many people struggle with. Good approach to an uncommon subject.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks, Ruud.

[@ohnvokl]

Danke!

[@mattisulanto]

Danke auch! Good to hear this was useful.

[@georgemahlum6542]

Another great video Matti ...One of the more important reasons I sometimes use a small fixed lens camera is the leaf shutter.... affording a fast flash sync for bright outdoor portraits etc.. Fuji x70...x100... Gr...panasonic LX. etc. Cheers

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you!

[@harryniedecken5321]

Thank you. It actually made me appreciate the ricoh even more as a second bang around camera.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks. Yeah, the Ricoh is awesome!😀

[@fotograal]

Very constructive ❤🔥👍

[@puckhead1221]

How much better are the photos in the GR iii vs the ZV-1?

[@geogu3images]

Thanks for another functional review that we can use. Years ago I tried the RX100iii but it didn’t work out, which would sadly be my response to the ZV-1. My Street go-to has been the GR3x for mostly monochrome (stills and short video) and my iPhone for color video. For compact carry cameras, I see an increasing gap for enthusiasts, one that could be filled by an upgraded LUMIX LX100ii, or another ultra compact APS-C sensor camera from Leica or Panasonic. Or just maybe, for photographers, a compact Foveon camera from Sigma?

[@geogu3images]

Oh, and yes I know that Leica is out of the APS-C market and Panasonic is focused on M43 or FF.. But if Ricoh isn’t showing both of those companies the market desire for small, portable APS-C cameras with awesome small lenses, then they will miss the boat on enthusiast cameras that function like camera phones, but act like proper ‘Cameras’ and produce better images. I may be dreaming!

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks. I'm sure there would be a market for the upgraded LX100, but I'm afraid we'll never see that upgrade.

[@geogu3images]

Yup, I’m dreaming! Long live the iPhone! Thanks!

[@alicenien5015]

If I may ask, what was your issue with the RX? I like the reviews but I still am not fully convinced about it.

[@andreazevedo8325]

Hi Matti! Hope all is well, that was a good video. I think the zv1 is a great begginer camera. Altough in my personal taste I would choose the Ricoh because I seldom rarely do video. All the best and have a great weekend.

[@Buffalo69-march]

Super comparison! 😊❤

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks! 😊

[@schoeferfilm]

I love my ZV1 especially for holidays where my FX6 is definitely too big 😂

[@alicenien5015]

Excelent video. Thank you so much!

[@mattisulanto]

You're very welcome!

[@branlyfernandez1182]

Very nice video sir!

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you very much!

[@joergthierer8861]

Thanks for this video, I will be getting a ZV-1 in one or two days, and hope I’ll enjoy it. It’s just about half the price of the GRIII and even less compared to the GRIIIx. BTW: great photographs of these 356s! I really love them.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks for the compliments😀

Great video comparison idea!

[@mattisulanto]

Glad you liked it! Thanks.

[@mikemcfly4297]

This makes a lot of sense, thanks!

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks.

[@ariffau]

Love this video!

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you!!

[@SnakeCakeExotics]

very enjoyable thank you!

[@mattisulanto]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lunabeige]

is the antialiasing on the gr iii's video that bad?

[@mattisulanto]

This video is shot the GR3 so you can judge.

[@aviatorman8]

Awesome and well thought out video my friend. Totally agree with everything you said. If I may add, I was shocked how good the high ISO photos turned out of my RX100 VA after de-noising them using DXO. So yeah 6400 and beyond are possible if one is willing to shoot raw. Also as you said it’s not behind the micro 4/3 by far. In fact I’m disappointed Panasonic hasn’t released a new LX100. Now the Ricoh GR III is a beast for photography. Love it! Please Ricoh don’t change the design and don’t add a view finder 🤞🏻

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks! Yeah, if you run the photos through DXO or Topaz Denoise, you can use absurdly high ISO values on the RX100/ZV-1 series cameras.

[@aviatorman8]

@@mattisulanto absolutely. Def the big boys like APS-C and FF would still perform better natively at high ISO, but if I happen to have one camera in hand that’s a 1” sensor, I wouldn’t worry as I would have before the AI era.

[@crwhhx]

It takes much longer to turn on and off the ZV-1 compared to the GR cameras, can be a bit of a problem if want to pull out your camera and start shooting within 0.5 second on the street.

[@aviatorman8]

@@crwhhx I shoot landscape so not an issue.

[@yellowzen1]

Matti, I respect your judgement very much. If you could get the ZV1 at the same price as a RX100V, which would you choose for image quality?

[@mattisulanto]

The image quality is essentially the same, so either one does the job equally well.

[@yellowzen1]

@@mattisulanto Thank you very much.

[@donvittoriosierra]

Does the flip screen need to be out all the time when the sony is in use?

[@mattisulanto]

I does not have to be sticking out on the side, it can be flush with the body at the back too. But of course it has to be on, because it's the only way to see your composition.

[@amvj]

How is Sony Zv-1 for macro photos ?

[@mattisulanto]

It has pretty normal close up capabilities and it can't do macro. The definition for macro is min 1:1 reproduction ratio.

[@amvj]

@@mattisulanto Thanks. Any other point and shoot camera that has some decent macro capabilities ?

[@mattisulanto]

@@amvj I think you'd be better off asking Google😀

[@socialbender]

I currently own an x100v for edc and Sony a7iv for jobs . I’ve owned a griii previously and it was frustrating as hell to use . But I miss having a pocket camera . Pocket camera is such a niche market . Loosing my mind once again looking for one .

[@mattisulanto]

To each their own. I hope you can find the perfect pocket camera.

[@alicenien5015]

Can you share what you didn't like about the GR?

[@gregmedbourn5347]

I absolutely love that difference take on the comparison... That's fascinating... And i think most people who are looking at those 2 cameras would want to know.. I'm just getting back into photography. I'm 60 years old and I would mainly use a camera 90% of the time shooting photos.. I've narrowed my 3 choices down to the Ricoh gr3x 40mm lens and the leica D'lux 7 and would be open to a best used leica in the ($500-1,200) range.. I'm really confused with getting a easy holding camera that mainly used for photos as a hobby and want to stay under that ($1,200) area.. Any thoughts.... Thank you in advance for any wisdom... Blessings Greg

[@mattisulanto]

Thank you.

[@edwin_ac]

Great comparisson Matti. I'm just curious, can you do hyperfocal distance shooting using the ZV-1? For example, manually focusing on a certain distance, and shoot photos based on that focus setting. And if you turn off the camera, the focal length, aperture and the focusing distance can be save in memory, so that once you turn on, there's a way to use the settings again. Just a work around similar to the GR's snap focus feature.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks. No, the Sony doesn't have hyperfocal or snap focus distance. When you power the camera off it will remember everything but the focusing distance and focal length.

[@edwin_ac]

@@mattisulanto thanks

[@catalin-ap]

I do like camera comparisons a lot, even unconventional ones.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks😀

[@giuseppedangelogt]

an important factor for the comparison is the price. You should mention that the zv1 cost an half than the ricoh and in usage market you can find it for 300-350 euros..

[@mattisulanto]

Please, read the title. This is not what you'd expect😀 Anyway, you can buy whatever camera you like. I don't mind or care😀

[@jatiyanon]

Amazing clear review, the video I'm looking for. My problem is for a starter, snap/quick street photography, maybe some portrait, should I add 2.5 times the money from ZV-1 to GR III X? (base on my country). The answer after watching is no, I can use ZV-1 should be enough. Is that correct? .... And still better than iPhone?

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks. If you really can buy the ZV-1 so cheap, go for it. Just out of curiosity, where do you live? I have never seen such a big difference in the price of those two cameras. The ZV-1 is usually around $700-800 and the GR3x around $900-1000.

[@jatiyanon]

@@mattisulanto Thailand ZV-1: 460USD and GRIIIX: 888USD

[@jatiyanon]

@@mattisulanto And based on your other info, if ZV-1's shooting is like RX100 V, that means it's not better than iPhone13. And shouldn't waste more money.

[@mattisulanto]

@@jatiyanon Wow, that is a big difference. It's not quite 2.5 times, but still a huge gap and for that price the ZV-1 looks very appealing.

[@mattisulanto]

@@jatiyanon If you feel like that, you should not buy the ZV-1.

[@cameraprepper7938]

Well done ! I am wishing for a still photography Camera with a prime Lens (or mount) in "full frame" (24x36mm sensor) in style with the first version Contax T and the Minox ML 35, I hope Cameras like those will come soon in the future. The Sony ZV-1 are a cheap (but very good) Camera compared to it´s family cameras in RX-100 series, a very good buy. Thank you for your review.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks for watching, once again. The ZV-1 is actually quite a nice camera.

[@rambob5939]

Excellent! Thanks.

[@mattisulanto]

You're welcome!

[@delukxy]

Even now in late 2024 you have to take into account that the Sony is about 75% the cost of the Ricoh. Lets hope that the Ricoh GR4 gets at least usable 4k video.

[@Bakin]

It's amazing how much technology you have had to learn to make these videos. I-phone to capture sound and knowing all the best features for two different cameras that few have reviewed at all. I don't know if this is true but taking pictures of great cars must also help increase KZbin likes! I am in the market for a smaller camera and when I think about the best camera on the small size, I keep coming back to the Panasonic GX9 although your videos of the GR3 keeps that camera in doubt as the GR3 might be the better camera for photos on the run. Thanks Matti.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks. The GR3/x is really awesome😀

[@mrbaiser4133]

As the RX100 Va is still available, I don't see any reason to buy the ZV-1.

[@mattisulanto]

One reason would be, if you need a fully articulating screen for video. If you mainly shoot photos any RX100 is a better choice.

[@uppitysquirrel]

No comments on the Ricoh flip out screen for vlogging? (yes, I know)

[@mattisulanto]

I'm not sure what you mean, but in the video I mentioned it.

[@uppitysquirrel]

So sorry, missed that. My mistake. I do appreciate your work!

[@Lito-gs4rb]

👍

[@jeffslade1892]

Lack of 4K is no big thing, even on a high-end Lumix built for the job. A lot of pro movie is shot at 1080, edited and upscaled, because it is easier and faster that way. If you are posting on FB or YT, they will compress the snot out of 4K, limit the download speed, and most viewers will watch on a mobile phone. And e.g. I am not watching on the UHD monitor but the HD one. And if I shuffle the video across (done), it is still in the usual box not full screen. (yeah it looks good). Do the YT demographics show the formats downloaded, can't remember ... I've taken to shooting video on the G9 and GH4 (and others) at 1080p because I'm not trying to fill a cinema screen and any bigger is a waste of effort. There is a place for glorious C4K but let's face it talking head vlog is a face in a box in a window.

[@mattisulanto]

Thanks for sharing your opinion on this.

[@rawbsworld6604]

Argh! 🤦‍♂️ ten min. Wasted !!! You said it at the start one is for photo street photo to be exact… should be tested for that! The other marketed at vloggers ! Not serious cinematography! And should be tested for that not bashed for not serious cinematography! Vid on one pics on the other are there but not for main purpose!

[@mattisulanto]

Even the title says "Unconventional Comparison Not What You'd Expect" and at the start of the video I'm being clear that this is not the usual comparison😀

[@rawbsworld6604]

@@mattisulanto I agree … but cuz I’ve seen so many bash a camera for not doing what it wasn’t made for … it was made for street photography or vlogging or creators or whatever ? Does it do that? So what’s the point in pointing out it doesn’t do what isn’t it’s primary purpose? 🤷‍♂️ 😂 like buying a 4x4 truck then complain it doesn’t get the gas mileage a subcompact does 🤦‍♂️ or buy a subcompact then make a vid about how it isn’t very good at rock climbing or off road , Didn’t get the point of the vid 🤷‍♂️ ✌️

[@mattisulanto]

@@rawbsworld6604 I already have many videos about the GR3/x and in those videos I have covered the usual scenarios. In this one I wanted to do something not so usual. Anyway, here is my GR3 playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLkkZKkR0lgqkRwelW-mDgztjsEu3Im5TS