Gracie Breakdown - Triangle Choke from the Mount

[@Mjiujtsu]

lol when they argue and you remember that they're brothers

[@jeebs9]

That's my favorite part. These guys are world class. And just like anything. You can skin a cat in many ways. Just respect them all.

[@danieldunn4769]

***** the more they argued the more advanced it got it was like watching the cold war in fast forward as to super powers build up and build up

[@MrWillman66]

+Marco J hehehe, I love watching them bicker on the mats! :D

[@hxhxhx91]

they went full naruto

[@UserName-ii1ce]

daniel dunn It was like the final battle in Transformers

[@Freduccine978]

PLEASE more videos like this!!!! having the two styles debated offers a lot of perspective into the philosophy behind BJJ

[@Beefcakes9000]

Sweet Baby Bladefoot best comment I’ve seen just thought the same thing how two great jiu jitsu minds working together in a sense to see which techniques are best

[@xx_shelly420_xx4]

this is why I love Gracie, 2 different and interesting opinions on 1 position, gives you a broader outlook on what is effect on the human frame.

[@caiowaste4606]

best BJJ channel in youtube

[@parajay2875]

For combat against the people who don't know bjj: direct flight. they'll be asleep on the plain before they know it. For the 1 tenth of 1% who know bjj, Chicago,Miami.

[@27dforce]

Or practice the non direct root to then master the direct root

[@vannhelsin2434]

😂😂😂

[@brabhamfreaman166]

Para Jay Flying by plain is just plane dangerous - no aerofoil…actually not even any wings. Though roots f£#k@&* everywhere, assuming some basic vegetation aaaaaaahhhhh😖 my head hurts 🤣'course, cud happun two enni off uss, noe?

[@usefbob]

5:58 "na come on dawg, don't kill it" HAHAHAHA

[@bryanedds8922]

If you don't love your Ryron and Rener Gracie, you need to keep it real and get outta here bros :)

[@tannercampbell8027]

I thought I was the only one who noticed it! I’ve watched this video like 6 times in the past week and that was the first time I heard that!🤣🤣

[@AbdulAleemShekhani]

Loved how they were disagreeing yet so civil and respectful of each others opinion. Loved watching it.

[@PolarBearon]

"Not every student can be as explosive and as powerful as you are" Ryron about Reners method. "Not everyone is as fast as Ryron Gracie!" Rener about Ryrons method. Lol :P

[@jimhendericks]

Probably not many people are as good as Ryron or Rener, I'll probably stick to ground and pound if i get mount

[@theasianviper6365]

@@jimhendericks Both techniques will work like 99,9% of the time. Like you said, not many people are as good as the Gracies so if you meet one or someone with comparable skillset, use your g&p.

[@kellyokamoto1604]

I LOVE the competitive teaching desire of both Ryron and Rener. They just gave us two legit slices for the same technique. Awesome.

[@bryantharris5914]

These guys have such a passion for BJJ it just leaps out of there videos. Everything they do is really must see if you're a fan of BJJ.

[@SubWolffer]

The best of both worlds.....Leverage and efficiency....Helio Gracie split into to boys, Ryron and Rener.

[@gegaoli]

Rewatching this years later. Love these guys! I like this “thinking out loud” debate approach. Helps in the learning process.

[@thomasjoniaux5554]

these guys are the best teachers. even on youtube. their language is spot on. we are lucky to have these guys.

[@michaelashcroft608]

One of Gracie Academy's best videos. Straight to showing both mounted triangle attacks. The added brotherly debate kept the video extra entertaining and humious

[@Mark950214]

I honestly enjoy how you guys train. Those short debates that you all have with each other to see which technique is more effective really opens the mind up for unlimited possibilities. May god bless you all, and keep up the good work.

[@jeffzahnd]

I love how these two interact, even during a disagreement on how best to execute a move. Keep it playful, and as these two show here, everyone has an opinion, but not everyone has options. With their different opinions, i just gained two options :)

[@alleycatufc]

love the Boston

[@coolsvilleowner]

yeah but theyre bros lol they grew up with eachother

[@jeffzahnd]

alleycatufc Thanks! I have three to play with! my mothers, neighbors, and a lost and found cutie that I claim as mine. Bostons are awesome :)

[@jeffzahnd]

coolsvilleowner totally understand....But I have a brother myself...and we would have ended up punching each other over this :D

[@coolsvilleowner]

Jeff Zahnd I just slapped my lil bro in the face now loool.

[@TrishCanyon8]

These brothers are so different and I adore them both.❤❤❤ Good to remember Gracie jiu-jitsu is a "modification ".

[@Mjiujtsu]

but in all seriousness Mr.Gracie(s), you're both right; it's situational. You fight the person not their body, judge who they are as a fighter and take every advantage you can based off that. If they are not so quick then fly direct, if they are responsive and vigorous then take a more controlled route :) But let's be honest they are just pretending to argue for the video ^^ they both know

[@Nordeltus]

🙌🏻

[@TheZenMaster420]

You can tell they are brothers. I find how they go back and forth very amusing, but both present valid strategies for varying circumstances. BRO.

[@lo-fiislove]

This was one of the best bjj videos ever man, this was the reason i started following Ryron and Rener, i love them man

[@taozen1]

One of the best videos. Love the technical debate. That is what Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is about.

[@5jtacticalreviews316]

"I'm not gonna do your variation, cause it doesn't really work" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@eviltravisb]

People need to see this. Both men skilled. Both men being polite and helping the other demonstrate his version despite the disagreement about the variation. All martial art practice needs to look like this - Pressure testing technique to grow the art. Well done fellas.

[@Ceevro]

This is by far my favorite Gracie BJJ vid so far. I think that the comedic interplay is hysterical, and I love how Ryron just simply WILL NOT try Rener's variation! I would really love to see you two roll for real. That's one for Metamoris: Rener vs. Ryron! Bro-Struction!

[@BoleQnam]

couldnt live without those free brakedowns THANX!

[@carlosgarita7094]

I would have assume that they already know every trick about that movement, but it seems like they still are improving that technique countering each other's ideas. They are still perfecting it. I loved it.

[@MateusRei]

I’m a white belt. Lol! But I heard somewhere that a blackbelt in BJJ is still learning BJJ. It is ever-evolving. Nobody knows all of the possibilities I don’t think.

[@carlosgarita7094]

@@MateusRei Yeah. It's impossible. But a black belt has a huge perception of what could happen and how to counter it. That's why they are black belts lol

[@bretlynn]

you guys are so lucky to have a brother you can train with. your interaction with each other as brothers is just uplifting.

[@vonfitbjj-podcast]

One of favorite jiujitsu tutorials because of the back and forth. We get 2 great ways to get to the same position amazing jiujitsu.

[@JBDacasinJr]

Hey!!!! 😀

[@vonfitbjj-podcast]

What's up John Bon Dacasin​

[@RicoRico1982]

I like that these two are arguing about it. It makes more sense that situations are not always the same. Even if you lock that move on your head, there's always that one opponent that already figured out how to get away from that situation. Like how these two arguing about how to cancel the same move with one another. Pretty helpful, especially when you're watching them and thinking about another move to improve in a situation like this.

[@jmeru7673]

We need this to be a series "BJJ debates with Ryron and Rener" Please

[@aljunk]

I love that they didn't agree! This was my favorite Gracie Breakdown video of all time. Love that Ryron refuses to do Rener's version because "it won't work". There are a ton of haters out there, but these guys really do break it down incredibly well. Even if they weren't nearly as good as competitors as they both are, it would still be worth watching these knowing that they were taught by names we all know.

[@tatertot57]

Their relationship is fantastic. Truly incredible. Great video!

[@chrisbaldwin3148]

Several years ago i asked Rener who won the debate? Ryron (Chicago) or Rener (direct flight) He replied, "There was no debate. I respect my older brother. He's been doing jiu jitsu longer."

[@BYYoseph]

family bbq's must be a hoot in this family :P

[@jazzy777]

Burger chokes and charcoal armbars aplenty 😉

[@27dforce]

How fast do the mats come out or you think they set up mats when most set up chairs! haha

[@MidnightAssass1n]

BjjBQ

[@MrDanielWP]

Dave Dave - Bruh, they got mats set up 24x7x365. Don't have to get ready if you are ready.

[@drjimjam1112]

You guys are some of what’s right about this country. Such a pleasure.

[@DavidLee-no9uc]

Both, as variations only add to ones library. I Loved them both and find both a valuable asset to my skillset. Thank you

[@nemesis88417]

First of all let me say: Direct Flight. Being from Australia we don't have much access to quality instruction in the GJJ field. You guys make everything so simple and easy to understand. Two truly great instructors. You make your family proud.

[@mdlm2011]

What's ironic is Rener always uses Ryron's method in practice. Lol

[@bensayre4238]

possibly my favorite video you guys have done. It's super easy to see a sick move, have it fail in practice, and be left scratching your head trying to figure out how it looked so easy in the instruction video. The break down here was awesome.

[@No_Rice_No_Power]

3:11 Beavis and Butthead laugh.

[@raymondgalarza1212]

Lol that's true

[@seattlesoundisgrunge]

i love triangles from the mount and i love both of these setups and have hit them since way back in my white belt days. for me it's like the same triangle setup from guard with the overhook (which i also like) where you can push the arm out and pull the leg up and through or you can push the hand between your legs and swing your leg wide and clear the arm that way. the beauty of the 2 setups (either from guard or mount, same principle) is that you can go back and forth between threatening the 2 making the whole setup more effective.

[@ickerish]

my favorite episode ever

[@2014402janus]

i love the way that as they're going through the move, they're just making up escapes and the like and going back and forth with each other. great job yet again guys

[@welding1665]

Both ways are good it just depends on how the person on the bottom reacts and how athletic the person on top is. I'm almost 50 years old and stiff, so I may have to stop In Chicago. Thanks guys good lesson keep posting videos.

[@Mr4thHorsemen]

thank you Rener y Ryron that was very helpful ! I am a new BJJ student in a Carlson Gracie Jiu Jitsu Den in San Antonio, Tx and am grateful to be a part of the Gracie BJJ tradition

[@Zionsol777]

tried both a few times now and found Ryron to be right in that Rener's method works GREAT on less knowledgeable opponent but inconsistent on better opponents. However, I had inconsistent results using Ryron's method due to the slightly more complex move. working on them both right now to improve my performane using both techniques.... good luck and training everybody....

[@bosshogg4199]

exactly

[@mr.berimbolo827]

You must've mastered these by now.

[@Remops]

Hysterical! Its totally situational. They are both effective. I love the dynamic these guys have. Great instructional vids from two extremely knowledgable Gracie's....and funny.

[@TonyAshcraft]

Got to say, I tried both versions, Rener's is a bit easier for me. It did seem a little easier for me to sink the leg in with Ryron's version, but with anything it will get better with practice.

[@minyanGH]

This is one of the most beautiful video's not only of a technique but of the blessing of having a brother. I was literally laughing out loud as I watched the two of you "argue" both your points and the interpretation of the wisdom it came from. God bless you both... and I side with Ryron :)

[@mexicanamerican8062]

These two are straight savages! Lol that shit the passion and fun the are having on playing/ rolling/ wrestling.

[@MattiasHandley]

This is true martial ARTS! Love the way you interact, show and debate efficiency of the different techniques

[@AgsBud]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 3:53 "INTERESTING"

[@biathcw]

Alex Ramirez Yeah, and he just repeats himself, realizing the shortcut isn't as effective. I guess it's true that not everyone has the speed, of course

[@Smurfomatic]

Alex Ramirez yeasss hahahaha

[@Big_Old_Bondy]

I cracked up at that as well aha! Reminds me of Archer for some reason :p

[@27dforce]

Love the brotherly, playful arguing. I have to agree, go direct! When you take too many steps you're more likely to make a mistake, or you give your opponent more chances to counter or escape! Either way, great video. The way I used the video was to practice the non direct root to then upgrade to the direct root with ease.

[@poolboyinla]

Thanks for the breakdown.

[@mobiledetail4you]

Took my first in person lesson yesterday! Man you guys make it look soooo easy. Have to say it was a little intimidating going into a school as a newb at 53… Thankfully I’m going to a Gracie Certified trining center so it was fun easy and very simple and welcoming! Happened to hit day one of Combatives… which is nice as I have been doing some at home w Gracie online ! What can I say you guys Rock and I’ll take direct or the Chicago route…

[@KrishnadasReesaul]

Both because there are lots of variables in play. It feels better to know and practice both.

[@painkiller49]

While I prefer Rener's version for myself, I can see where knowing both versions would be a huge plus. Much respect to both of you Ryron & Rener. I really hope you don't sweat some of the comments that are made. Stay just the way you are !! The interaction between the two of you is valuable, whether it's serious & intense, or funny and relaxed. From one of your students, thank you for all that you do. I, for one, am grateful.

[@islyfe]

Amazing jiu jitsu and humor!

[@fishboy4693]

I love how they always seem to fight over a move or what is cooler or better and in the end both moves are awesome and we all end up using them both! Awesome videos guys! never stop!

[@HerbivoreJesus]

I like Ryrons cuz my opponent tends to believe I will attack that arm

[@cm1212]

I did this last night on a fellow blue belt and I used the stop in Chicago method because it was just too easy to pin his arm down and I felt very stable with my foot on his arm. great technique. thanks guys!

[@primate4]

Hahaha..... These guys crack me up and are both awesome ! I like BOTH versions!

[@juandrayo]

I love the Gracie philosophy and their teachings. Physically as well as spiritually enlightening.

[@DuncGaming]

Anyone else try this on there younger sibling. No just me? Lol 😂

[@dcfan2222]

Not alone lol. Was owning my little cousin with it haha

[@josea5600]

"not as strong as you" "well theyre not as fast as you" it's impressive how each one builds on their style correlating to their physical capabilities

[@brentonebron5009]

Lol I love these two man. They're hilarious

[@rayxc07]

They are always great at explaining the vast angles and options for a single technique! Fun to watch and learn! Thanks, guys!

[@Justinri]

Still the best part is "Do mine too" "Well I'm not gonna do your variation cause it doesn't really work"

[@troym33]

I like both variations. BJJ is all about options from what I've learned so far. Great vid!

[@tomfletcher1735]

loooool, "the people aren't as fast as Ryron Gracie right now"

[@828maori5]

Straight flight on the way to the destination, Long trip with a pitstop to Chicago on my way back home. Solid insight from the Gracie family, best in the business.

[@leebride8237]

Awww man! Sibling rivalry!

[@eduardorizo2449]

So much to learn from these two masters, "challenging" each other. I dig all your breakdowns, but I feel I get more when you guys go back and forth like this. Thank you!

[@charlieqtlol]

Beautiful

[@charlieqtlol]

I'm sure if your grandfather saw this he would have the biggest grin :D

[@spoonman73]

LOVE the Gracie method of BJJ! Both techniques can work but prefer Chicago because I am a consumate technician. Also you can strike your opponent well from that position. Direct is fast and sneaky and I believe would actually work better against a skilled opponent as he would know he was being set up for something in Chicago. Awesome vid. You guys are the best!

[@davidbrighina2118]

Pinning the arm out didn't work for me, pinning it to the chest worked, direct flight.

[@jazzy777]

I agree. As soon as he pins the arm he sets his base off and the guy on bottom can easily lift left arm and escape or simply move the supporting arm and escape. Direct flight gets my vote.

[@GalenSD]

jazzy777 doesn't the pinned arm become part of the base? If you have pressure on that arm it isn't going to be easily lifted or moved around.

[@jazzy777]

GalenSD Valid point but if you check 5:24 until the supporting arm is in position the base is not set and therefore the trapped arm lifted with ease and because the top guys position is already set at an angle I believe it would be easy to roll into either top mount or side control from the bottom position. Those are my thoughts and observations anyway.

[@GalenSD]

jazzy777 True, it's definitly a timing thing. If you're not on point you're going to get tipped if you don't switch the base simultaneously. Both methods are effective in their own situation.

[@jazzy777]

Fair point. I suppose I prefer the Rickson Gracie mindset of never leaving yourself exposed to reversal or loss of control, particularly during the stages of transition. If you haven't seen it already check out the clip of Eddie bravo and joe rogan showing Rickson rubber guard. It's fascinating. 👍

[@fabricio_santana]

This is one of the best channels on youtube, hands down.

[@Jayel805]

His arm was the only straight thing in this video… nah nah nah… seriously, this was helpful!

[@lees9062]

Have you seen Rener's wife?

[@Jayel805]

Nah, dude. I'm not that into his personal life, I guess. That being said, have you seen Michelle Bachman's husband?

[@lees9062]

So what's the point? You are using a jiujitsu instructional video to express your disdain for a lifestyle for which you don't approve? You need a hug and an acai bowl, my friend.

[@Jayel805]

Damn, dude. You got serious real quick. Went from a joke about these guys to people hating gay people. You should have your own segment on The O'Reilly Factor.

[@ignoreboco]

I wound go direct but it's nice to have the step by step option if you can't get there directly. Thanks for showing both and pointing out some of the counters your opponent may use.

[@copycat794]

stop at chicago seems more reliable lol

[@fishbowl1785]

5:38 when he's all like, "Oh, my." Awesome. These two are pretty cool. I'll definitely try out both variations.

[@James225]

They make great videos. Informative, entertaining, and these two are funny together. Now I wish I had someone to roll with. We need more practitioners in the world, there's not enough.

[@brettgoudy]

This video is EPIC! two Jiu Jitsu Geniuses basically arguing displaying two amazing techniques which are both super effective, but this is the first i've seen on this channel of them trying to prove why one is better and why, and in doing so they showed so in depth all the flaws of eachothers technique.... amazing video

[@phatbhoie]

I love that you're both very passionate about your views. Both are good, with what ever works in your situation. Both works, but just like any other techniques, variation may or may not work all the time, so you're both right, practice both. Thanks for sharing.

[@daredevilxp9]

this is without a doubt your best video, two different moves, arguing about it tells us the strengths and weaknesses of each, and its hilarious to watch two bros argue, nice stuff

[@Rbugland]

Both attacks are ferocious, direct feels like my training partner wouldn't see it coming. You guys are great!

[@madbowler6]

This is the best video I've seen you guys do yet. Even top-level black belts like you guys will have differences of opinion, and that's fine! Variety is the spice of jiu jitsu!

[@kalikop]

“I’m not going to show your variation because it doesn’t really work” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Love your videos. Always informative and entertaining. I’ll keep practicing

[@EmpathWarriorXO]

Love at 6:00 when Ryron says,"Nah come on dog dont kill it".😅

[@minimumoriginality]

Great video, loved how you both discussed all of the positives and negatives of both positions.

[@tashi28]

This is great. You can just react to whatever arm position they have. Most street fight situations would be direct flight situations because they would want to keep the arm close to the chest and if the person was physically stronger it might be difficult to pin the arm down Chicago style. Great stuff.

[@joeluna7729]

Its great how the two brothers show 2 variations. I personally prefer the direct flight for everything, but its good to know other variations with this technique

[@curtdawg4435]

I listen to every minute of all Rener videos, he very thorough

[@lallope]

30plus years of judo,,fly direct definitely but always having an alternate route is beneficial. Wish I had a brother as you two, Koga and Inoue. Great to see brothers work together keeping the families honor and dream.

[@jacobwingo4287]

Sometimes I stop in Chicago sometimes I take detect flight to New York. It depends on the who I'm rolling with and how the opportunity presents itself. They both work, that's one of the beautiful things about Jiu Jitsu. Once you understand the concept of the technique you can ally the same technique with any number of different setups.

[@jbkoffman5160]

this is still amazing after all these years!!! and i cant help wondering what a revisit to this discussion would uncover!! Aloha, JB

[@austinkeho2905]

Ryrons version works very well for me. I like to utilize the arm isolation during roll sessions, it catches the opponent by surprise often times and gives you the upper hand if you know how to control from this point.

[@jeebusyaweirdo3733]

Coming from a boxer, you guys ain't nothin to fuck with. Much respect and love for you two and the Gracie family

[@orangeiceice12]

I like how they're working out new submissions and arguing while they're teaching It goes to show that BJJ is not set in stone, and that a smart practitioner is a creative one. Thats why BJJ is gonna continue to grow and adapt and evolve in the changing landscape of streetfighting and mma

[@xXBeastfromdaEastXx]

its awesome getting 2 different opinions for the same technique from 2 experts. i say trying both in practice is the best way to go and seeing what works best for your level and abilities. great vid guys. and they both remind me of me and my bro lol always thinking we're right

[@thelikebutton6830]

They’re hilarious and technical at the same time. Interesting to see two variations.