Phoenix 200

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[@tibodesaegher8753]

the fact that the R&D guys are young guys, full of excitement and with long careers ahead, is truly comforting. Film might be truly alive again

[@stratocactus]

Exactly my thought too. Good job R&D team. Good job Harman.

[@ljac_1314]

i loved this bit too! cool chem dudes

[@ep_photography]

That was my take away. Two young guys excited about their job and already thinking about how they can do better. Definitely a great step in an exciting direction.

[@HARMANPhoto]

We're very lucky that we have a blend of youth and experience in our R&D department as with the rest of site:)

[@Zetaphotography]

Smartest comment posted on this video.

[@NailBombEnjoyer]

So proud to have a UK company developing a home grown 35mm Colour film! The only way is up. Will be good to see the progress they make over the next few years. Great video as always :)

[@lennart1208]

patriotism is so stupid

[@chris091090]

​@@phillipbanes5484yup, but great to see a focus on R&D (its so expensive) and with an insane timeline. Great to see passion in their work too and, to top it off, admission/drive to improve on it in the future. Hopefully we'll get some 120 whilst they work on infrared xD

[@RedPandaLesbian]

Kicking it off as always with what we call the "grainydays special": loading in direct sunlight, shooting in the dark. My girlfriend Emma hates it, keep it up!

[@czelendzerii3985]

😂😂

[@czelendzerii3985]

😂😂

[@Jan-vw5cg]

It’s crazy how you went from the film camera review guy to road trip guy to pretty much shooting a mini documentary about this new film. Quite a journey and I’m 100% here for it.

[@EddyTheChump]

Getting this far in 12 months is fucking insane. 120 is a smaller market but essential. This will get better and better. A HUGE DAY for film photography

[@TheAlphaFlamingo]

Holy shit! EddyTheChump is here! Used to love your videos! Awesome to see that you're into film photography!

[@kleanish]

I was in complete awe they did this in 12 months. Not to shit on other parties, but they took 12 months to make a new color film, while another entity took 3 years to make a coat hanger..

[@Al_Bx]

Absolutely this.

[@theowainwright7406]

I’d fuck this up if it came in 120

[@willysheepskin]

"build a color film from literally nothing except greens" looool, thanks for sharing your insights into this stuff man, rad to see you got to interview the people behind it too! Look forward to seeing what improvements they make to it going forward!

[@PrestonTalkZZZ]

Hey Will hope you're doing better man

[@kleanish]

We love you Will!

[@WyWorks]

I don't absolutely love the look of it, but I think it's worth supporting the project because I can feel their passion and excitement thru the video. $14 a roll isn't that bad either -that's less than 400D in my local shop. More film options only benefit everybody who shoots film, and I'm interested to see what the lab lads come up with next!

[@kleanish]

It seems very similar to 400D but with more color and less latitude.

[@WyWorks]

@kleanish after watching Caleb's video, I'm more interested in Phoenix at a more personal level beyond just supporting color film as a whole (which arguably is a higher level). Pulled 1 stop, I think this film does have a nice vibe like 400D but maybe slightly less "dreamy" looking. At box speed, there's a bit too much grain and not enough detail for my taste, although i do like the warmth and contrast.

[@kleanish]

@@WyWorks yeah watching now. sometimes the colors are better at box, but the shadows are much better at -1

[@WyWorks]

@@kleanish right. I prefer almost every photo with the -1 pull besides the head-on shot of the tractor and the shot out the window of the old house.

[@justinkingery2489]

I'm with you. I'm an Ilford B&W guy through and through, and I LOVE that this exists, but why do the scans look so soft? It looks like expired color-neg film I've shot. The colors are whatever to me---you can do anything in post with ease. The unsharpness is what I'm not loving the look of.

[@RyanNavazio]

I still remember when Kodak didn’t give you an advance on the Gold200 in 120. Proof Harman knows what they’re doing getting you this stuff in advance. Nice little bonus getting a new video out of the normal schedule too.

[@elleoat]

Not sure if somebody else pointed this out yet but on the data sheet for Phoenix you can see the film spectral sensitivty goes beyond 750nm, which is actually entering into the IR range, so technically this is a "color infrared" film in some type of way. Using an R72 filter might yeild interesting results (if you expose it at like iso 1)

[@beepboopboopbeepbeep]

how did you come up with iso 1? would running a test on digital camera set to iso 200 +720nm filter and doing long exposure help working out the correct settings?

[@elleoat]

@@beepboopboopbeepbeep the iso 1 was just kind of a random estimate. I'll have to test myself to find out, but using FPP BW IR plus R72 filter gets you at about ISO 3-6 to get a well exposed IR image (if you're in full sun) if you're metering externally. You can also meter through the filter at 200 but it generally cuts out 5ish stops of light down so you'll be at about ISO 3-6. For Harman Phoenix there is *drastically* less spectral sensitivity into the IR range than FPP BW IR (Harman Phoenix only barely reaches past 750) so you'd have to probably expose even more to get anything. My guess of iso 1 might not even be enough. A digital camera has a lot more IR range than I'm pretty sure any currently available film, so getting IR results with that probably is much easier than it would be with Harman Phoenix. I would be curious to see if Harman pursues a pseudo color IR film. They definitely couldn't make Aerochrome (the dyes for sensitizing IR in Aerochrome and HIE have jumped to the tens of thousands per ounce which makes them impossibly expensive to use in any film coating facility) but given what Harman is able to do with Ilford SFX (which uses different IR sensitizing chemistry than HIE or aerochrome to my understanding) it's not all together unreasonable to suggest they could use some of that tech in a color film. We will have to see.

[@headwerkn]

The fact that Ilford/Harman were actually motivated to make a colour (with a ‘u’ aka properly) film in 2023 is nothing short of incredible. It’s definitely got a ‘look’ but that’s the point of film.

[@HARMANPhoto]

Love that you noticed the correct spelling of colour ;) We know this isn't perfect,yet, but it's only step one. We're so excited for the future

[@kronkite1530]

@@phillipbanes5484Nonsense. Most of my life was in the ‘film era’ and we all knew (and manufacturers acknowledged) that each film had its own bias, look and usage.

[@kronkite1530]

@@phillipbanes5484 Can’t take being corrected can you? Your weasely excuse is only now half right, not in your blanket comment on film - still wrong (generally!) - but only in your critique of modern digital trends. As for me, irrelevant as it is to be fair, not only did I grow up in the pre digital era but made a living by selling images to book, magazine, calendar publishers and via Picture Libraries using anything up to 5”x4” film and we knew what stock was needed for each role. And have studied the history of film with interest for years including a collection of often rare books and original prints from the likes of Rudman and Napier in bw to Hoepker for colour so know at least a little more than you’d like to admit. Goodbye 🤡

[@siddharthm285]

@@phillipbanes5484 Few people shooting film in 2023 are that interested in accurate representation of the world above all else. This is a use case for a sony mirrorless. While this film stock needs work, I and many others would still enjoy shooting with it.

[@SteelyEyedMissileDan]

​@@phillipbanes5484I don't understand the point of your argument or why you made it in the first place. Whether or not this film stock would've sold well 30+ years ago is utterly irrelevant. The media and methods used to create art have always evolved along with the available technology of the time and how it allows artists to reflect the topical cultural trends and issues. Maybe Phoenix 200 wouldn't have been a popular film stock in the 20th century, but we're living the 21st century, so who gives a shit? The only reason photographic film is still being produced is because some people will always be fascinated by its impressionistic analog qualities. Different film stocks have different physical limitations, each imparting their own unique flaws and inaccuracies that can be used as artistic tools to capture a scene AND convey the photographer's feelings in ways that a perfectly accurate rendering cannot. This film stock leans hard into those impressionistic qualities in some very unique ways. That will make it a powerful tool for the vast majority of modern film photographers, who typically enjoy experimenting with such tools.

[@HARMANPhoto]

Thanks Jason. This is awesome. I'll share it around site next week:) Just disappointed you weren't wearing the Christmas jumper this time;)

[@LaskeyHart]

By far one of my favourite episodes from Jason. Love previous filmstock reviews, but going to the UK to visit Harman directly was a fantastic addition. Hope there's more like this in the future!

[@ziorxkomtuper]

yes lets go harman. Getting this far on your "first try" is insane

[@kerc]

The enthusiasm and positivity from the employees is contagious. ❤

[@groovejunky2549]

Wow this is huge for the global film community! Thanks to the chemists at Harmon who were so excited to get this off the ground and to the management for taking the risk and giving them the thumbs up. The film feels like a work in progress right now, but Jason was able to get some really nice shots with it and it definitely provides an interesting and unique look. I’ll be picking up some rolls to support Harmon. Thanks to Jason, you legend.

[@jz8638]

That's fantastic news! The whole Ilford/Harman company seems super chill and all are really into their job. Strong family like vibes, absolutely love the vibe!

[@georgementchoukov2864]

Personally I like the halation. I can see Harmon pulling it back a bit in future revisions. But I really wanna shoot portraits with hard backlights on this first version.

[@thebendu33]

Harman 😉

[@kronkite1530]

Me too. For the right conditions and right look / purpose it could be beautiful

[@DustinBKerensky97]

I love the two chemists at Harman. The more people like that we have working the less I worry that film will slowly disappear. As for the film I'm mainly a B&W shooter (and Ilford diehard), and the only time I use color I don't want the Portra look. I want the 70's holiday snaps look that Gaynor mentioned, shot out of a pocket P&S camera while I'm on vacation. Apart from a bit wider Dynamic Range, just get it in 200, 400, and 800 and I'll be all over it.

[@teocrawford]

Ahhh so cool to see the people behind the film stock, wonderful interviews, thanks for making this!✨

[@JokiW]

Would love to see you test it out too Teo, surely they wouldn't mind sending you a few rolls 😊

[@bertosfilmbag]

Harman has the upper hand in the film industry having British accents. Also there isn't another film KZbinr that quite makes you think they absolutely loathe what they do quite like Jason. I respect it.

[@iainlaurence]

Very happy to see another company start manufacturing color film, even if the emulsion might need some tweaking. You can see the excitement in the Harman team members for their new product.

[@ShahanReviews]

The reason this channel rules is because Jason is one of the only people that would actually go and interview the R&D guys. Such an awesome episode.

[@FourIntoOne]

The fact that this even exists in this digital day and age is MASSIVE props to Ilford,. Sorry, Harman.

[@anthonymiller8979]

I will say as a 68yo who has been shooting film since the early 1970s, my first impressions seeing your shots was these are the colors and grain I remember back then.

[@DayneFilm]

Jason giving love to Harman while also roasting how the British spell things is AMAZING 😂

[@HARMANPhoto]

We spell things properly:) (I was tempted to write properley then;))

[@ISO6forty]

Crazy, that is a big step foreward in the industry. Can‘t wait trying it out.

[@ZupaISO]

Ah, I love that you went to the UK and interviewed people from the Harman company, thank you! It's always good to see faces responsible for a product. Cheers!

[@treyusher32]

So this is basically like a beta test. Definitely a great step for the community Im really excited to see where this goes in the future!!

[@xander1052]

Yup. A few rolls even sneaked out early in the US

[@brennanperry3366]

Love the Wild Fields cameo. Great brewery and the owners are super cool.

[@gonnor_cates]

a new color film AND a new grainydays a week early makes this the best Friday

[@deanteb92]

If Harmon does a color infrared because Kodak won't. That will make me a top tier fan. Because kentmere 400 is already my favorite BW stock on the market.

[@zerlionngo395]

Admire the honestly and passion of these guys from P&D development, this film stock is surely promising!

[@wv_]

Everyone’s been sitting there waiting to click that upload button in unison 😂 synchronise your watches. Excited to try some, nothin can be worse than NC500

[@SurrealExposure12]

Its a scheduled post mate

[@wv_]

@@SurrealExposure12 I think you’re on to something

[@masonmacquarrie9203]

I’m so happy that people are still investing into the film communities and we are all benefiting from it

[@tomasklason2364]

I just feel that film really is coming back. Pentax is developing a new camera, now Harman is making a new color negative film, it just feel so exiting! I hope that someone next slam out a new slide film.

[@W0mpa]

Young R&D personnel is where it’s at! These will keep the film industry alive!

[@zerobladehonmono]

The super punchy warm look with halation might totally not be my thing but it's honestly insane that Harman are doing inhouse color film, huge plus that we're getting new film stocks now. I really hope they keep doing it and developing more cool stuff.

[@pvt_pylee]

knew this was waiting for today, cant wait to see how people experiment with it. Got a brick myself this morning lol

[@xander1052]

I just bought some and will use it wisely in its cloudy homeland

[@just_eirik]

I’m not even a film photographer but I still love that there is more color film alternatives. Color is so much nicer than monochrome imo.

[@SanTM]

Yeah great news for Harman and a British company. Shame the price is high when Gold is around a bit cheaper but I can see the R&D costs need to be regained. I love that lab and production, so British lol

[@bburchellphotos]

It may be expensive per roll, but manufacture costs here in the UK, plus export will put costs up. Although saying that, it will cost be roughly around £12.50-£13 per roll. So it's still a little cheaper in the states! More importantly, it's not Kodak! It's entirely new stuff!

[@austinlzimmerman]

always love another take on a film stock from our boi.

[@donovanoosterbaan340]

Kudos for matching the video color grade to the film one

[@NewBensonPress]

New to the channel and returning to film after an over extended pauchant with digital Medium Format. Enjoyed your ride with Phoenix, personally, I'll be waiting on 120 to catch the warmth. Be safe out there. Nath

[@doctorsnarf8764]

*12 MONTHS!! you guys should be dam proud! i cant wait for future updates!*

[@strkvisuals]

This was very enjoyable to watch, really loved the interview segments through out the review!

[@SamCyanide]

I also would love to see this in 120. It's cool theyre doing this and i hope they realize (seems like they do) that the imperfections in contrast and color are part of the charm

[@szajbsonbm4506]

Thats so fucking grainy for a 200 iso tho, but im really happy that a new film (expecially from ilford is out) and im waiting for a new ones.

[@ZombieRofl]

When you don't even shoot film but still love this content.

[@bokehinfocus]

Absolutely LOVE Phoenix-can’t wait to order it!!!!📷

[@HelgeStrichen]

I imagine the sound of lo-fi beats filling the streets of Morro Bay, as Jason and Willem desperately try not to be in eachothers frame

[@maxmenss]

Growing up on the central coast, this video was a treat, outside of just the photography aspects. Its cool just seeing your film photos of the places I’ve so often been growing up

[@Kokorba6iqta]

I am definitely supporting Harmans efforts. I love that you showed their team and especially the young lads developing the chemistry who were full of excitement.

[@Batou_73]

How great is all of that. A new Player ! Seeing those young lab lads with all their excitement. Amazing! Young energy in analog film. Not in some artsy small company. But one of the major players. Really surprised and happy about such a young Dev Team!

[@gsus3918]

I love the look of this film. The warmth it has is a good counter against bad led lighting. Also the outdoor scenes look amazing and alive.

[@jontout]

Gaynor, the "1970's take your colour film to the lab" lady is right, the photos do have that same feel to them, sort of combined with the fact that the photos also look aged as well - as if you'd found your 1970 photos in 2023 and they'd just started to wash out.

[@deanappleton6861]

Jason, you're great and all. But the R&D boys need a regular slot. Fucking magic 🙏

[@connorbell5340]

As soon as I saw you in a photo from the dark room I knew we'd be getting a video today. Bless you papa

[@trippwilsonphoto]

While I don't think kodak has to be scared, I am excited to see what they come up with next, and I'm excited to try it out for myself. The shell shop one is really cool btw.

[@pgmisha]

"Do you hear all those seagulls?" Jason's Tippy Hedren moment .....

[@metalfingersfilm]

loved the perspective in this video, compared to all the other videos that came out today. emphasizing that its not perfect, and that's okay. harman also feeling like they need to keep improving it is a great sign. excited to rip some of these, hopefully soon.

[@robert.aleksander]

Really like the enthusiasm of the guys and the lady, will definitely buy 10 rolls even though I'm not a big fan of "red chromatic aberration"/halation. Hope they do it in 120! Wish them luck... otherwise we are lost and must use "I'm Back Film" to the end of our life's! p.s: Hey! Polaroid! If Herman can do color film from scratch, you can put 10 sheets in the pack! No, nobody believe that you have no technology and the "knowledge was lost", it's not Egyptian Pyramid's.

[@HelgeStrichen]

Egyptian pyramid's what?

[@colbyfinnigsmier933]

You’re doing god’s work by chasing that infrared dragon jason

[@KabirKotwal]

I'm not a film photographer but I watch your work a lot and I like this film the most(& Kentmere) and will push me to finally start. Also your work is one of my biggest source of Inspiration.

[@ExpiredBren]

Suffice to say, nailing a shot handheld in a dark bathroom with 200 ISO film can only be possible with performance enhancing drugs (i.e. Flaming Hot Mtn. Dew)

[@Leicam10]

Get well soon!! 🙌🙌🙌

[@yellowcrescent]

Wasn't expecting their Pheonix film to be color negative tbh. But very impressive what they were able to do -- given it took Kodak, Fuji, and Agfa decades to perfect their emulsions to their modern incarnations (I think Kodak Portra [Vericolor], Gold, Color Plus [Kodacolor] are on like their 5th to 10th iterations?). The grain.. is certainly chunky but it doesn't look terrible (it reminds me of older Agfa color neg films). Hopefully they continue to keep improving... and add an antihalation layer... lol. I would probably buy it in 120 when it becomes available.

[@santiagogranobles]

This era of film photography looks exciting

[@florianbolk8461]

Hi Jason, huge fan. Very impressed by your capability to do interviews. Hidden superpower.

[@RazeTheWeak]

Looks like a warm Lomo Metro! Not my fav look, but a huge win for the film community. Thanks for sharing, Jason!

[@aristoioannidis7490]

With little things, big things grow! Cheers to the wonderful crew at Harman! Thank you so much Jason for putting this great update together. Kudos.

[@ihang360]

Genius- best video yet…. Thank you Grainy Day - Go Harman

[@fretlessfender]

Nice to see those 2 young Brittish guys being the backbone of the R&D!

[@plainly_kevin]

Well, we sure would make a great combo. You get a rush for lying to people and I get a rush for being lied to.

[@mattparkin7224]

Lmao I knew that last line was coming. This is a really useful video, thank you for giving an insight into working with this stock in post as it's a lot more rudimentary that I expected - I think I'm even more excited about it now, it's like the fomapan of colour

[@josuemolina6124]

A great deal for analog community, so happy to see the love analog photography gets, shootout to the lads on Harman, thanks for this.

[@18percentphotographer]

If they could work that halation issue out, the warmth and contrast would be nice in 4x5 / 8x10, we really need a color competitor to Kodak in those formats.

[@pacheaco727]

What’s better than a Grainydays video? Jason sporting a hat supporting my (formerly Oakland, damn you Fisher) A’s.

[@dominiclunn123]

Ha, the only time i've ever enjoyed a youtube ad! 16:10 brilliant.

[@scotttucker9613]

Those halations spiral out of control faster than my life. Love it.

[@marcgravel3010]

Incredible video!!! Great pictures. Very touching interviews with Harmon's team. Very inspirational. A joy to watch. I will buy some Phoenix for sure.

[@DamonBates]

Love this, thanks Jerod...I mean Jason...hats off to you and the whole Harmon team!

[@MichaelZieschang]

What I love about shooting film is how close customers and industry get together. Such a small part of industry over all but a worldwide fascination and passion across all business partners. (The 25-50/4 rocks. My fav lens on Nikons.)

[@pd1jdw630]

Yes! Yes! Yes! I’m waiting for my rolls. But I absolutely would love to see this going forward.

[@AshleyOfBits]

Always fun to see another photographers view of morro, feels like im seeing my home for the first time again.

[@stuartbaines2843]

A Great insightful look at Ilfords (Harmon) New Colour film 👍 Well done to All the Staff who made this Possible👏 Happy Xmas and New year

[@simonwilliams6140]

Seeing that roll up black board behind Gaynor Hill took me right back to an underfunded '80s comprehensive school classroom. Love how old British companies give zero Fs about how the environment looks to outsiders.

[@tomjanowski8584]

Just shot my first roll of Phoenix 200. It's been developed and scanned and I'm impressed. I seem to have landed right in the middle---my results were not a great as the best I've seen, but my results were far, far better than the worst I've seen. Contrasty/harsh, grainy , warm and at times very, very moody. It's the moody shots I like most. I've already ordered more rolls. With my initial results, I'll not what to try and do differently next time.

[@k.hansphotography4810]

Best presentation of this film on the web, because you went to the roots, the production factory.👍👍

[@big6700]

Just left the camera store with a couple of rolls. I'm told I am the first one to purchase in Seattle. I hope it doesn't disappoint.

[@jeffg.8964]

I’ve been shooting (and experimenting with) every colour emulsion available since the 1960s, so running a few rolls of Phœnix 200 through my cameras is definitely in my near future. I’ve been using The Darkroom for over 10 years and have nothing but praise for them, my go-to lab for all colour work, negative or transparency, and black-and-white.

[@TomPollardPhotography]

I’ve been awaiting this! Time for some film photography and chill.

[@TomPollardPhotography]

Also, so random hearing people with northern accents on a Grainydays video.

[@davidmb2587]

Love those guys attitude. This will be great for the future of film.

[@adventuresofjandk]

So happy that new film stocks are still being developed

[@AWhimsicalStatue]

Could you imagine, while everyone is looking to Kodak for a new infrared film, Harman/Ilford comes out of left field with it some day?

[@gavinvales8928]

Props to the marketing team for calling it phoenix, this stock is gonna be legendary I think.

[@injeolmi6]

This adds to Bron’s legacy, my man!

[@sillk963]

Good shit, Jason. Your videos are very relaxing.

[@-grey]

This is bang on the look all the Fujifilm digital shooters are trying to do with their recipes: overcooked cloudy balance, red shifted, ultra bloom mist filters. 😂 I swear this is the result of every classic negative recipe. Everything you said about the latitude, contrast and saturation, and shooting at blue hour being a cheat code is exactly true for shooting Fujifilm digital too. I almost want to see it compared. Also, why does the UK still look like it's Oppenheimer time? Is there a time loop where it's still world war II there?

[@jameslenney]

Love how northern those ilford guys are. Good work, lads 😉