Gran Turismo 7 - IS A WHEEL & PEDALS WORTH IT? - PS5 DualSense VS. Fanatec GT DD Pro

[@boostedmedia]

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[@Time4utube]

Thank you

[@Jmab-rv7jc]

Would be interested to see you do a review on GT7 vs Asseto Corsa on PS5. Would like to see which one is a better game in ps5 specially after asseto’s new update

[@robertbradburn9616]

I race and win with a ps4 controller...gt7 is amazing

[@GSS_94]

I still remember GT2 on the ps1 it was an amazing experience.

[@Theworstchannelposting]

I love the PS5 controller and GT7 becasue im in a wheelchair, and it brought back the feeling of driving for me. It could use a lil more tweaking but I love it.

[@eL_K_Dee]

instead of the left stick on the controller for steering, try changing it to 'motion'... it will take a couple laps to get used to but it's so much more fun.. try it and see :)

[@Theworstchannelposting]

I need to do that!

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@eL_K_Dee I can confirm that too. I'm paraplegic and a permanent wheelchair user and have always been a little frustrated that the more affordable commercial steering wheel products never seem to have the appropriate analogue levers on the wheel for throttle and brake placement (where you'd normally have the gear shifters so need an additional analogue set beside them). So since GT Sport I'd navigated to using the DualSense's motion capability for steering as an alternative. As 'eL K Dee' says it takes a bit of getting used to but once you've driven with it for a sustained period it feels pretty realistic and intuitive, far better than the tiny thumbstick which causes constant over-corrections (as he was demonstrating in this video through no fault of his own), only drawback being the lack of force feedback of course (though the haptic feedback certainly goes some way in "feeling" that car rotation - along with the adaptive triggers (which you don't get with affordable steering wheel pedals so they've something over those in that respect). Highly recommended, I'll never go back now, at least until I can afford a much more expensive setup from "SimAbility" - who.. 'makes hand controls for simulation racing gamers with disabilities who want to go beyond using gamepads but need alternatives to standard wheel-and-pedals setups' (as their advertising blurb suggests).

[@eL_K_Dee]

@@LOOKINVERTED it's an inexpensive alternative to a rig and also if say you arew a casual gamer and dont just do racing and are at some moment too lazy to pull out the wheel and all, this motion steering alternative is a quick solution for more of a 'feel'.. This gyro tech has been around since the PS3.. but we barely see games use the hardware to it's fullest potential!

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@eL_K_Dee Absolutely, don't disagree really, thankfully these motion sensing controllers are becoming utilised and incorporated more & more despite them being in circulation for a while and already within a lot of basic tech. I suppose we ultimately all want choices and options don't we, solutions that cater for varying functions and abilities and that to be considered when programming. It's an exciting time for tech with these innovations in gaming (shame the world's turned to shit with all the collateral damage such as the semi-conductor shortage otherwise everyone could get involved). I'm thankful I managed to obtain a PS5, particularly with the adaptive triggers - absolutely love those, though granted you can use the motion thingamajig on PS4. The SimAbility route I mentioned was more about being one of my ultimate wish lists since until recently I couldn't enjoy racing games properly at all before now. To be fair, you're right, it's not as high up on my list as it was.

[@SuperMacBrother]

CONTROLLER TIP: push the left stick (steering) fully forwards and you are able to incrementally steer smoother. Makes a huge difference in consistency and control. 👍

[@ralphharrison6622]

woah, for real? ill give it a go, thanks for the tip.

[@Dimar.Siregar]

Hmmm, that makes sense. Thanks for the tip.

[@KayosWONER]

I tend to pull it back but same idea this works great

[@Furbsta]

Thanks for the tip dude

[@Vinnay94]

Only issue with that is you grind the stick. This is not present on the PS5s Dualsense, but the DualShock 4s stick housing is quite sharp which grinds the stick overtime.

[@hughxthexhand]

I'm pretty sure most of us begin our SIM racing experience on gran Turismo at some point, especially the older gens like me pushing 50. I'm having an absolute blast on GT7, no it's not iRacing or ACC but in alot of ways it's better the gt reminds us of the fun we had playing racing games, it has enough realism to be challenging and enough diversity for unadulterated fun. Oh last night I setup a race on nordschleife 1 hr long GT3 cars starting at dusk then into full darkness, it was absolutely beautiful.

[@herrlogan17]

Amen to that! :)

[@atarimasters]

Yes we had a wheel for are PlayStation 1 with grand turismo and Driver 2. Crazy how sim racing has evolved.

[@k1mura92]

I fell off sim racing some months ago, picked up GT7 (I got started with GT1 as a child) and honestly I'm having a lot more fun with GT7 than the sim titles. The pure driving experience is pretty damn good, although I prefer ACC/AC/AMS2 in terms of pure driving. But the amount of details on the wide variety on cars, the customization options and the "career/cafe" mode just makes the game so damn fun.

[@klintonkacatin]

I can add that at the time of origin Gran Turismo, PC had superior offerings so history just repeats

[@ZDubsMGS]

@@klintonkacatin Yeah, after you've modded the game into oblivion, PC is better.

[@robotninja530]

I found that I was alot less reckless on the wheel than I am on controller. Probably due to muscle memory from actual driving. Got better lap times because of it.

[@ilovestarship]

Same here. I normally throw the car through corners on a controller

[@KOSHPARZ]

Thats the only reason i would want to get a wheel, your able to turn much later & carry more speed if you know how to use the wheel right. Quick turns, something not possible on controller you gotta invest in one line.

[@boostedmedia]

Quick note on Motion Control. I did try it but have never gotten along with it. I find it really disorienting with no friction or force feedback. It’s always been that way for me ever since Mario Kart on Wii. I honestly figured most people preferred using the thumb stick for steering but apparently there’s plenty of people who prefer using motion. Will have to check it out in more detail in another video and see if I can adapt to it. Should be interesting!

[@philipatkings9225]

I actually like it...get the sensitivity on minus 1 and I changed r1 to gear up and l1 to gear down. I'm happy but of course if I could afford 800 quid I'd get the wheel...😂

[@bobgraton854]

I think a good driver should be faster with a controller using motion sensor because you don't have to work against the force feedback. Great sensitivity and faster respond time!

[@Saad.D]

Gyro is amazing for a controller user. The improvements to the vibrations have made it much easier to position the car too compared to GT sport. I can't wrap my head around stick users, but I guess they can't either for gyro

[@Koen1702]

@@Saad.D I'm still not fully used to the gyro controls, I'm a bit faster with them. But my lap times are much more consistent now!

[@pv1nny714]

to me motion control works better when you are sitting in the drivers seat. You can see the wheel and react accordingly. That is what works for me.

[@Barry.R]

Good to hear! Just dropped 1k on the DD Pro premium bundle for my first Fanatec set up 👌

[@wurble]

I'm a 40 something guy who played racing games (especially Gran Turismo) for years with a controller and always did pretty well. When GT Sport came out I decided to finally treat myself to a G29 wheel and pedals. It was definitely a game changer. I think with a controller I'd be in the mid area of A rated driver. With the wheel I'm in the low A+ rating. I do still use the controller for single player mode, but when I race online and want to be as fast as possible, my wheel is a MUST. I'd love to upgrade to a Fanatec but I just don't know if I can justify spending nearly £1000 on one.

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

If you buy direct from their website, it's not that expensive but your point is valid.

[@Code-n-Flame]

I'm about to do the same exact thing with the shifter and an FGT lite cockpit because like you I'm stuck in the mid A license. The trial with the blue Tundra is making me wanna pull my hair out!

[@wurble]

@@Code-n-Flame No, I mean the driver rating A+ that you get in GT Sport from participating in daily races and the FIA races. And there's a very good reason why you're struggling with the licence challenge in the Tundra in GT7. Things got messed up in the last update meaning that the wrong tyres are now on vehicles in the dirt challenges. They should have dirt tyres on , but have comfort or sport tyres on instead. Wait until the issue is fixed before bothering with any dirt challenges. I got caught out too in the jeep mission challenge.

[@quoaitran1135]

@@Code-n-Flame is it that fuel save mission?

[@caseyjones4011]

@@wurble well that explains why it feels like driving on ice.

[@carloscedeno5783]

This is one of those situations where if you have the setup and money to get both the wheels and pedals, you should definitely go for it. The level of immersion exponentially grows once you play a racing game like this. I've always played on a controller due to not having a proper setup but i knew that once GT7 came out, i was going to do it right. No regrets. I was pretty good on controller and I'm even faster on my full wheel/pedal/shifter setup since you can make minor corrections that are not simply possible using a thumbstick or the triggers on a controller. Currently all gold with all assists off/hard AI. 15 books in and the first 2 licenses all gold. NGL though...the last license test with the supra for A was tough. Barely squeezed gold on that one :D

[@WoodysOpinion101]

You waited for gt7 before getting a wheel and peddles lol... really what we're you thinking... it not a real sim!

[@EmperorUsul]

@@WoodysOpinion101 take the stick out of your rear bud, it doesnt go there

[@Gattsu1986]

@@EmperorUsul I don't think it's just the stick he's got up there 👀

[@iXlnte]

@@Gattsu1986 true, I think he’s put his ego somewhere up there too.

[@carloscedeno5783]

@@WoodysOpinion101 hey it looks like your reading comprehension skills are lacking. i clearly said "racing game" and not "sim racer." Good try there, buddy.

[@twenty-2923]

Wow didn’t realize how amazing and entertaining racing games can be never seen gameplay on these types of game. You commentary and review made it even better to watch. Will definitely be looking more in this community and watch more videos 🔥

[@philmcgrogup5575]

I've always found consistency is the big problem with a controller for me, I can tie together a good lap here and there but generally speaking I make more mistakes and have more variation in my lap times each lap.

[@boostedmedia]

Yep exactly the same experience for me

[@MilhadSalihi]

@@boostedmedia Where the wheel shines is during the races with tire usage. Due to smoother inputs your tires will last significantly longer when using the wheel. But for the average player, i think the controller will do fine, it's not like the game is unplayable on the controller.

[@boostedmedia]

Yep I agree.

[@rayeasom]

Controller that comes with the console or £3000 rig to improve your lap times by a few seconds. That’s what it comes down to. For the average person who plays the game for fun it just isn’t an investment that’s worth the money. If however you are doing this as a job, via KZbin content creation or esports then it’s with drilling that sort of cash on the rig.

[@speedx357ify]

@@rayeasom yea but the experience even with a 250$ wheel is much better than a controller, you don't need 3k

[@MandakiniDiaries]

I used to use the gyro tilt steering option on the dual shock controller, which gives you more steering-like smooth input. This is what I love about PS controllers. You don't need to use the left thumb.

[@GSS_94]

I remember playing GT2 on ps1. How far we've come over the years. It's really amazing

[@victorkuria8068]

Thank you for this comparison….I felt an immediate change in the controller response when driving in GT 7 that’s been missing since GT5 in my opinion..so thank you for confirming that…as for the times…I was impressed by little the difference in lap times was…thanks again..great review!!!

[@Major_Watts]

Great vid as always! I’ve had a wheel for a week (never used one prior) and I went back to the controller for a few laps lastnight and I’m still considerably faster on a controller.. I’m ok with this though, the thought of mastering a wheel and being completely immersed is way more important than being fast for me personally right now.. I also know that given more time I will at faster and more consistent with the wheel!

[@64Papiculo]

I played most of the GT series with a controller. Bought a wheel for GT5 but I was way faster with controller. I began to play GT sport at release with controller and stop playing it for a few years after finishing the solo part. A few months ago I decided to buy a g29 to play VR mode and master it before GT7's release. I mostly played time trials many hours a day and couldn't beat my controller times for almost a week. Within the next two weeks I beat all the online trophies and finally got the plat. GT has always been great with controllers and I think the haptic vibrations of the dualsense are a great addition and feel really good, but when you'll get used to the wheel you will probably have a hard time moving back to controller ;) And by the way, Gt sport's VR mode is absolutely mind blowing with a wheel! Hope they will do something with GT7 and PSVR2 🤩

[@gamerpodium13]

When using a controller for so long, switching to a wheel is a bit of a shock. Takes some getting used to.

[@xxTICxxTOCxx]

Funny how we drive cars in real life, but our first experience swapping from controller to wheel feels so foreign. I've used a wheel for over twenty years now, but still can only drift cars with any control or accuracy using a controller.

[@chrisjames5823]

Until you fine tune ur wheel settings ur gonna have a hard time being faster. You have to find a happy medium of resistance without the force feedback trying to toss u around. I find it frustrating. I have done 136 mph in my subaru.... the wheel doesn't fight me.... but for some reason these "realistic" wheels are just laughable.

[@PhatMikeSP1]

@@chrisjames5823 totally agree, imo the controller is good mostly because you’re not fighting the force feedback and get the benefits of haptic feedback on ps5 controller especially with the dodge tomahawk

[@AlbertoFortuny]

Thanks for the video, I'm absolutely loving GT7 and the implementation of the dualsense. It's awesome. And i have the Fanatec DD Pro. I play on the controller when is want to just chill on the couch. Just an FYI for your future recording of the game, turn off HDR on the PS5 so you don't record HDR footage and it looks washed out on KZbin.

[@AlbertoFortuny]

@@Lollburger88 Yeah the resolution (4K) does not change, only HDR is turned off. It will be better for video capture and for the most amount of people to see the video normally. HDR is changing how the color gets reported to the screen from the source console or PC. It will look fine if you have an HDR display since it knows how to interpret that signal. But this breaks down when you capture that output and then upload it to KZbin where you might not be watching the video on an HDR capable display. I believe there is a way to upload HDR video to KZbin but it would still look washed out if you are viewing it on a non-HDR display.

[@KemBroVids]

Excellent comparison Will. Looking forward to your full review and seeing if, with your experience, you can find even more detailed settings for the DD Pro.

[@azngouki]

The dual sense is incredible. The triggers provide so much feedback to the point you can feel the abs and fuel cut off of the traction control in each trigger. A sim rig is goals but controller is doing a fine fine job.

[@trevorbye6965]

yep the haptics in the triggers are pretty crazy. i thought it was going to be gimmicky, but it’s a significant feature, you get so much more feel for what’s going on in the car both with the throttle and the brake

[@hichessam]

I'm very glad that finally someone is evaluating the whole experience of playing with controllers, not just comparing times. I personally prefer a smooth experience over winning. I do enjoy using a wheel, but for me it's never that realistic, no matter how good it is. I do use the controller for ACC on ps5 along with g29. A good game should be optimized for both in my opinion.

[@MM-oh3zs]

G29 is not really a proper wheel, it is more a toy, rather than anything close to real wheel providing you with plenty of feedback both on base / wheel & pedals (fanatec DD / V3 pedals / any FF wheel). I had G29 and boy, that was a trash, just some random rumbling, while now I FEEEL the car as I would almost drive it myself. If you're into sim, then definitely buy a wheel (proper), also remember GT/Forza are not a real sim, they more simcades as they won't provide you with all the feedback as other sims and some simulations of physics is just not there.

[@Kooaid-9]

The motion on the dual sense is actually very accurate it’s not bad at all doesn’t feel like it’s just a gimmick

[@Helloyousilverdevil]

Was gonna say this too. I got a wheel because I am utterly worthless with controllers (no pressure sensitivity with gas/brake, easy to over and understeer with a joystick, no real feedback)… but of course I get my wheel for GT7, and realize I can use motion control for GT7 before the wheel comes in- and it feels great. Still prefer the wheel but I could have easily been cool using just motion control if I’d realized before I spent like $700 on a wheel and frame

[@joelfoxall811]

Great video, thanks for sharing. Good timing I got GT7 yesterday. Keep up the good content 🎉

[@staticshockboxing]

The motion control setting with the controller is a great option too for some natural smoothness.

[@parkman8595]

I would love to see you try this with a low downforce/road car! I think the smoothness with a wheel would help significantly with a road car.

[@kaomatollo]

Hi Boosted Media, I noticed that you did not try the motion sense of the dual sense controller. I strongly recommend you try it out. I have be using the motion sense on the dual shock 4 and on my best laps I am within a second of top split times on GT Sport. The motion sense is far far smoother than the analog or D-Pad. Hope to see you review the motion sense in a video

[@ChuckKolyvas]

Yeah I was a bit shocked tbh. Please review the motion control-it's a bit of a game changer! Just like a Wiimote only super accurate.

[@blaynestaleypro]

Dude, GT7 support gyro steering with the Dual Sense. It has a bit of a learning curve but it's pretty good!

[@vipstarizm6990]

This was super interesting and a surprising result especialy considering u probably dont use a controller much these days. After 25 years we now get the grand tourismo experience we all wished for. The nostalgia is real. Great video!

[@carllavery4442]

I've just come across the channel and really enjoyed the video. The PS5 controller does an amazing job with this game and I just picked up the G29 wheel to go with it, only had a quick go and was probably slower but it was a lot of fun. I tried it on F1 which I'm more familiar with and was immediately up to speed on Albert Park, just waiting on a chair to set it up permanently

[@emilybaxterthecartoonywitc1805]

I've had the game since launch, but haven't played it. I knew this was going to be part of psvr2, so didn't want to spoil it. Can't wait. Only 15 more days, then it's game on

[@car_pal]

my most memorable car from the gt series was the Gt-One :P

[@Daniel_Scarano]

I wasn’t into racing games before GT7. I decided to get a G29 with the game and now I’m addicted. The controller can’t compare to even a cheaper end wheel.

[@lawyer4ever]

Great video. I am playing GT7 on PS5 with the dual sense controller, but I also am playing the game on my PS4 Pro using my Accuforce direct drive wheel and HE pedals via the GIMX software. I have been surprised at how much I am enjoying GT7 with the dual sense, it provides so much more feedback than any other racing game I have played using a controller. Of course the Accuforce is much more immersive, but it is actually missing some feedback, for example vibration from curbs. Also, I find the graphics on PS4 Pro to be a significant step down, including FPS drops which break immersion. And the load times are much slower on PS4 Pro, on PS5 they are almost instantaneous, which is great.

[@DriftR35]

Ordered my 8nm w/ the load cell bundle last month and still waiting. I was too impatient so I got a G923 as a filler until April. The G923 isn’t bad with GT7 but we all know the GT DD Pro is a night and day difference we all need!

[@punker911a]

I just recently got my wheel after years of playing racing games and hands down, the immersion you feel from the wheel and pedals is incomparable. Definitely a must if you enjoy racing games,

[@mikesanders5433]

I’ve recently purchased by first basic wheel setup for GT7. A Logitech G29 and GT Omega Stand. I played GT Sport using a controller and the first weekend same with GT7. Now after a few days using the wheel/peddles the difference is astonishing, and so much more immersive 🙂

[@YorkshireBoy]

how so bro?

[@mikesanders5433]

@@YorkshireBoy best au to describe it mate is the ability to better control the cars. Notably (for me at least) being able to modulate the steering and accelerator/brake input to a far more accurate and smoother application. I struggle on controller to be smooth with steering input (I tend to make lots of repeated jerky inputs into the steering and my accelerator/braking application is blunt and very on/off). With the wheel I’m smoother on the steering with much less input into adjustments and for the pedals I’m finally able to modulate the throttle and braking properly. For me it feels much more rewarding

[@Ryan-gv9ec]

Good video, please never change that intro f1 v10 God car sound love it 😀

[@l555mat8]

Controller may be faster or slower, it doesn’t matter. A wheel makes any driving game so much more immersive.

[@motchness]

for a newbie playing the game for the first time the dual sense would be amazing, i prefer the wheel of course but really appreciate the haptic feedback and triggers, everyone says the triggers are stiff, turn them to weak and its perfect

[@FurBurger151]

You got try the the motion steering with the controller it's surprisingly good.

[@hpoonis2010]

The ghost car thing: generally I find those things more than distracting as I think one tends to chase the car rather than follow the track. Try disabling that feature and see how you go.

[@motchness]

no way they help you improve big time

[@MilhadSalihi]

@@motchness They help you if you set them to be 0.2 - 0.3s ahead, but when I'm overlapping the ghost car it's really distracting for me too

[@beezymccree2456]

@@MilhadSalihi that’s how is should be done to begin with …

[@boostedmedia]

I always find it makes me faster. I can totally appreciate how some people might find it distracting though.

[@sercanserj7804]

If I do a license and I'm off gold by .4 seconds I just set ghost to .5 seconds ahead of me always works to get me faster

[@Orangebery]

Waiting for my DD pro in the mail! Upgrade from a T80 but these videos are getting me hyped!

[@SomeDudeDan]

Thanks for the review and for this update! I have just ordered one of these beauties, can’t wait to get it!

[@funkycoldm3dina]

Here is my 5 cents worth. I like you had pent a ridiculous amout on GT3 an GT4 using the GT steering wheel and I had not played the Gran Turismo since GT5 and that was on the steering wheel set up. But over the weekend, I had an opportunity to play the game at my local GAME store and they had a gaming set up and they had the leaderboard for the Top10 scores. I was immediately impressed that if I just needed to apply a slight amount of braking the L2 would only go in a bit and there was that moment where my fingers were bound by muscle memory to be expecting the trigger to go in all the way but this controller is on another level. after about 30 minutes of playtime not only did I get the hang of the controller but I had the top score on the leaderboard on Autodromo Lago Maggiore centre of a time of 1:06.235 I was impressed how when I took a right corner and running over the kerbs my senses were telling me that only this side of the car is vibrating. For those that can not go with the steering wheel setup, then this is literally the next best thing

[@grantdoughty9657]

Even though you were just battling yourself you still had me on the edge of my seat haha. I look forward to some more gt content

[@thorvelasco1467]

I played the GT series since 1, I currently use a controller for GT7, all previous versions were played on a Logitech wheel. Using a wheel, you do have a better feel and more minute and refined control of a car than with a controller. With a controller, it's easier for the left thumb to make right turns than lefts. It's easier to push the stick right rather than curl your thumb over the stick to turn left. That is the hinderance of using a controller. I wish the controller had a track ball on the L3 to easily roll left and right. Hats off to controller players, you are truly skilled.

[@D._no-u3x]

Try the duelsense motion controls. Curious how you do with your lap times in that mode.

[@Justin-hd2vz]

How do you switch to those in the game?

[@DynamicistDante]

Use the motion sensor on the DualSense that let you "steer in the air". I've spent 200 hrs driving (~20K miles) on GT7 with this method and it is a lot better than the joy stick.

[@steveb3944]

Good video, thanks. Same as you I haven’t played a GT game for years and absolutely loving this. You may have just saved me quite a lot of money as I have been debating a wheel for a while (and frame) but find it hard to justify the investment as I only game on PS5 now.

[@k31n3rd4]

I started to play with the controller and the G923 switching back and forth, GT7 has the best controller implementation of any racing game yet, and I tried a couple on PS5 already, the pushback from the triggers is helping a ton in using just a portion of the gas or the break pedals. The additional haptic feedback in the controller itself helps a lot with “reading” the traction of the car as you literally feel if you are on the curb or about to slide.

[@TwoFoxGibbon]

I'll find out tomorrow when my wheel gets delivered!!! Very excited.

[@ApexCris]

I'm a so called 'alien' on Gran Turismo, and i've qualified for a GT Sport live event using a controller. Gran Turismo is always well balanced, so if you're only looking for pace, there's no real need to upgrade to a wheel. The main drawback to a controller from a competitive perspective is that wear your tires out much faster than on the wheel, which can be an issue with high tire wear multipliers online.

[@AKK5I]

Have you done any modifications to your controller? I've seen ppl use scuf stick extenders to give them more leverage for steering

[@ApexCris]

@@AKK5I I do have a set of stick extenders on, though they are there for other games, and i just keep them on in GT. They make a very small difference, if any at all

[@sebastianboruta2411]

Glad to hear you'll be reviewing GT7. Can't wait to hear how to compares to other sims.

[@joshuacooper1332]

One thing you missed out on is using the 6-axis feature where you use the controler like a wheel instead of using the stick. It is so much easier to be smooth with your steering inputs.

[@JayM1989]

I tried that and it's way too janky. Hell no.

[@AyrBear1988]

I’ve been a long time gr player I have 1-7 and have used the controller, lap times are very inconsistent with controller, soon as track racer gets the tr120 instock I am switching to fanatec gt dd pro, thanks for this video nicely done

[@shodancat1000]

one key factor in how easy it is to use a controller is how much input lag you have at your display/monitor. the higher the input lag, the more you have to resort to 'tap tap tap'ing the left stick instead of making longer, continuous inputs. when the lag is near-zero like with one of the newer LG tv's for example, you can be much smoother with the controller. either way the wheel is obviously superior, but just throwing that out there - if you're limited to a controller (for cost reasons or space reasons or whatever the case) getting your input lag down can really help a ton.

[@SplyBox]

Would love a comparison between all the different wheels on GT7

[@aonghusofaolain8686]

Best video I've seen so far giving me a sense of the game. It looks awesome

[@CalculatedRiskAK]

I noticed that on the wheel, your traction control was higher than 1. If you put it at 1 or 0, you would have likely gained a lot of time as the higher traction control levels both limit your throttle input during cornering, but they also dampen your throttle input so your acceleration is a lot more sluggish. I find TCS at 1 in this game is as good or better than 0, since it doesn't interfere when you're below or on the limit, but it just steps in a tiny bit when you climb over the limit.

[@stephen3164]

On your last lap with the wheel, you carried more speed through the turn at 24 second mark, and were able to stay ahead of your ghost car. Without that ghost car in front of you, your driving inputs seem to indicate you were looking further down the track at your entry, apex, and exit points. When you look further down the track, you drive smoother, with less corrections, which makes you slightly faster. I think the ghost car automatically shifts your mind in to multi-car driving situation where you are looking close to the car on the track for passing opportunities than when you have an open track ahead.

[@TheWITE-FOX]

He did the same. They make no difference

[@kurtburns2758]

Ive gotten DAMN GOOD with the Dualsense controller, the adaptive triggers really communicate a ton of information about what the car is doing. I will eventually have a sim rig when i have the space for one.

[@michaelplant4351]

Great video, that turbo sound! It looked as though you were using the stick, is that correct? I'm really enjoying the motion control before eventually upgrading to the wheel.

[@michaelplant4351]

Would be nice for you to review the motion control in the future if you can.

[@HanyHabibi97]

@@michaelplant4351 I always tell newcomers to use motion over analog as well, huge advantage and more in line with a wheel

[@harrywilkie24]

I’ve never played a GT game before but the motion control makes the experience much closer to using a wheel, I love it

[@HanyHabibi97]

@@harrywilkie24 i’m glad you like it, it made me addicted to Sport

[@danfry909]

Top content that you guys make. Really great work as always.

[@justinhutchins3335]

Dual sense feels different for each camera too. I’ve found running cockpit let’s you feel body roll more compared to an outside view

[@PetarBladeStrok]

You should've used Dualsense sensors to steer instead of the stick. Way better and more immersive that way.

[@EeekiE]

The controller has a lot of baked in assists you can't turn off and gives you a lot more stability. You can hold the stick at a fixed deflection and watch how many small micro-corrections the front wheels are making through a corner in a replay, even when the steering wheel in the cabin doesn't reflect it. The stick is more of a request of how much you want to turn, and the code behind constantly hunts for grip and makes changes to do that for you, likely faster than you could do manually with a wheel. It makes sense as it's Gran Turismo on a console, and the controller needs to be competitive.

[@SteelLake]

I was struggling with the controller at first finding it hard to get a smooth full turn but then I changed the settings to where you turn/tilt the controller like a wheel to steer and have found so much more success. Have you tried that? The controller is great, I’m new to ps and ps5 and love it, its so far ahead of xbox

[@HappyDaClown187]

I felt a difference in my brake pressure after upgrading my brakes in a mustang last night it was actually amazing

[@InterstellarLord]

You have forgotten to test using the DualSense with the motion sensor, using it as if it was a wheel. I can say the Dualshock 4 controller in GT Sport is really good once you get used to the motion sensors (using it as a wheel).

[@GrandCamo]

It’s funny how nobody gives it a try, of all gt KZbinrs none have properly tried it. The ps5 controller feels great for me with motion

[@MelloKingMal05]

It's definitely a good one for me! I want to get the wheel and pedal experience again since I haven't had one since GT2 was new 😭 thanks for this video it was very insightful. Looking at how this compares to the cheaper options is definitely what I'd want to know as the Fanatec setup is pretty pricey to start out with.

[@joshuap1985]

As someone who uses the controller, and have for all past titles of the franchise, I feel a wheel would probably make this game a lot easier to race in

[@stuckinthe90sThegoldenera]

It does make a huge difference. I have the logitech g29 racing wheel. I'll never go back to playing sim racing games with a controller. I still play games like need for speed and forza horizon 5 with a controller. Because those game are more arcade than GT, and Assetto Corsa.

[@De-M-oN]

@@stuckinthe90sThegoldenera Arcade games are faster on a wheel too. Just use a low rotation.

[@Jbirdsprings]

Great video and phenomenally instructiveThanks so much for posting. Joe

[@motok1d]

This game got me into simple racing. The ps5 and gt7 made perfect sense to. I got the g923 with the gt lite cockpit and I having a blast. Wouldn't be the same game with controller

[@IXcerberusXI]

You should try with a controller again with motion steering, it's surprisingly efficient.

[@pv1nny714]

I cannot play with the joystick after using motion controls from GTSport. I completely agree.

[@Mr.Waffullz]

@Boosted Media where can I find that mount for the DD? Oh and if you see this, can your use the Universal Hub on the GT DD and play on Xbox as well? Keep up the great work on the content 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

[@akmp40]

You should probably have tried the gyro controls as well. It was the only real comparison i was looking for.

[@boostedmedia]

Will probably cover that in a seperate video

[@jordanweimer788]

That choice not to shift at the end was perfect.

[@minners71]

Would have been interesting to see you use the motion controls and compared that to a wheel. Also the game looked very washed out on that projector compared to a 4k screen.

[@1973tinytim]

I been using the motion control finding my lap times are at least 3-4 seconds faster. Not seen many videos for it yet

[@minners71]

@@1973tinytim Yeah same here not seen anyone talking about it and it was also a feature in gt sport.

[@worawitthmaguro1110]

It washed out because of recording if u see it with bare eye it not as washed as in the video it quite good.

[@Ben-yp4rr]

Thought the same it looks like someone lowered the saturation all the way down, the colours are dull 😢

[@boostedmedia]

Colour will be fixed for our full review. Was an issue with how premiere handled the HDR capture.

[@deano2160]

Honestly this game feels fantastic with the duel sense controller. First time I have actually been able to feel the braking and apply pressure etc. Its brilliant.

[@nateriver1005]

Cool vid! I'm getting the slightly inferior Logitech G293 wheel setup to couple with the later PSVR 2 port. It's going to be awesome!

[@DoomiePookie]

So gt7 will be on psvr2??

[@NickDoddTV]

I have learned to turn off the ghost in Gran Turismo because I find there's less mistakes and trying to follow the faster lap and losing sight of the current lap. Once I did that my lap times improved a lot.

[@simonliu3905]

A g29 review would be appreciated! I have a g29 and always wonder how much of a difference it would make upgrading to DD series. What I don’t like about g29 is the pedal being too shallow.

[@K9IGHTRIDERINDIA]

I have a g29 too and it feels great on ACC. GT series are simcade experience and u may not feel the feedbacks ur looking for on any wheel on gt games. they are what they are... not a simulator but a Simcade. u want to know how gt7 will feel on a g29 just try GT sports. u will be disappointed if u have ever played ACC , AC or dirt rally

[@Saitam79]

I also have a g29 and used it for gt7.. It doesn't feel as hard as PC2 .. and the feedback is not as strong as F1 2020/21.. but it is still a good experience.. I think the handling varies on the type of car you're driving and also the settings.. it's definitely worth playing with the wheel instead of the controller

[@robby30rock81]

Ive played on controller my whole life playing gran Turismo since gt 1. When I swapped to wheel I became so much quicker but there is a learning curve. Wheel is worth it if you can afford it and want to get quicker.

[@jonathonlove9597]

What wheel did you buy?

[@KieranVella]

Looking forward to the full review, I don't think your capture process is getting the Tone mapping right for HDR/SDR. Might want to play with that. GT7 looks much more vibrant than that!

[@richardcollins2254]

What mounting brackets the red ones did you use to mount the base to the rig. Great video.

[@simonjohnade]

Great video thank you. Do have a request for you though. Could you do a similar test with the ps5 controller but not using the sticks for steering. Rather use the in built gyro. I set my steering sensitivity to 7 and just wow... Would love to see your first reaction to it if you haven't already done an episode on it? Thanks again for the great content, cheers mate 👍

[@sermerlin1]

Besides the consistency issue with the gamepad for obvious reasons... There is another reason beside "feeling" and "immersion" but actual advantage is in the actual races with other cars/players. You can't be as reactive to the happenings on the screen with gamepad like you can with the wheel. Wheel in game is turning slow even with highest controller sensitivity, lack of fidelity control over accel/deccel due to smaller footprint travel of the triggers, etc... All of it contributes to you being slower in actual race with gamepad compared to Wheel. Now this is not like seconds slower, but rather .100 - .300. You can't really ride behind drivers back like you can with the wheel. Overall i'm very excited and satisfied with how much better GT driving is with Dual Sense over Dual shock with receiving much more information throughout gamepad but it will never be on par with the actual wheel set, especially quality wheel set like DD pro let alone high end sets.

[@Rampage9951]

This car is also in Gran Turismo 2 if you forget or you didn't know. Gran Turismo 1's black Castrol TOM's Supra is cool tho.

[@theinvisible11]

I have a Logitech G29 and am contemplating upgrading to a Fanatec DD Pro. It would be cool if you could do a wheel comparison specifically with GT7, in case there are any differences in software tuning.

[@mrderp_mason]

The dualsense had me completely shocked when i first started playing gt7. It does a great job with the immersion but again a wheel and pedal would be most logical choice for feel.

[@fakenewssucks211]

undoubtedly a wheel is quicker on more complex tracks i was unable to complete nurburgring in the gt7 world championships but did a gold first time using a g29 after numerous previous attempts with the controller best of 6th position

[@De-M-oN]

@Tsukanoma Woodworks Lap times depends on game, car, track etc. Main advantage is the much better immersion and the consistency like he said on the video. Some games (like the F1 games) even give you internal assist if a controller is involved. That assist is, that the maximum you can turn in the wheel depends on the speed of the car, so that you never turn too sharp for the car. You cant turn that assist off and its really a kick in the ass for wheel drivers. For wheel drivers this assist is off.

[@BOKtober]

In GT Sport playing with wheel and pedals provided greatly reduced tyre wear compared to a controller but for 1 flying lap there wasn't any difference, I feel like there is some kind of built in assistance with a controller that cant be turned off where as with a wheel and pedals you are in full control

[@marksimpson1007]

Yeh think you're right their.👍

[@boostedmedia]

Yeah that definitely makes sense.

[@simracingchannel7691]

It definetly helps you a bit with the steering angle input on a controller

[@ChubbyAnts]

I've been debating buying the fanatec DD pro, but after using the controller on GT7 I'm not so sure hence why I ended up watching this video. Tho I do think you should of used the controller motion feature to compare. That has added am extra level of realism is GT7.

[@17jacoch]

Can y’all do a review or test on drive hub by collective minds working on the ps5 and gt7. I have a dd1 non ps5 but really want to give gt7 a try

[@Smartguy898]

Should of looked at average lap times as well to compare the two. I think overall the wheel and pedals had a faster average and it is smoother and better inputs. As someone only using controller, I find it very difficult to string multiple fast laps together as your hands get more of a workout using a controller.

[@Sp33dK1iLS1077]

You should use the motion steering on the controller, smoother input imo and my times were more consistent

[@boostedmedia]

I didn’t get along with it when I tried it. But might follow up with a 2nd video. Seems a lot more people are using it and liking it then I had anticipated.

[@carlharrison3637]

Should have used the control so you use it as a steering wheel - its pretty accurate to be honest and quite fun if you havent got a couple of grand to cough up just for cockpit and the fanatec

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Great review! It seems that your PS5 was probably in HDR mode and your screen capture hardware doesn't support it so you get greyish image as a result. You either have to disable the HDR mode in PS5 or fix the colors in post-production. Looking forward to hear experiences with cheaper wheels!

[@felixisme]

Nice catch!

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

Having only played it with the controller but I have to say I found GT7 as a driving game gives the best feedback I ever had in a racing game on a controller... Compare ACC to GT7 in similar car on similar track.

[@aaronb4936]

I have gone back and forth with wheel and controller over the years… I have spent sooooo much more time with a controller that I am just flat out better with controller. I enjoyed the wheel a lot but if you don’t have the spare time to really invest in practice consider this before spending a ton of money. Only problem I had with controllers over the years is the brake feel (or lack therof) I have a harder time running without at least some amount of abs assistance on controller.

[@cihans4923]

I always hated how the steering wheel in game is not in time with the tires motions when using the controller. The steering wheel feels detached, and does not react how it should. For e.g. Hands open slowly, even tho the car is already driving straight, which makes using 1. person view impossible.

[@daff4377]

In gt7 i tend to use the hood camera instead. Better overall experience.

[@FekalKilla]

I am playing on controller past 7 years over various racing games. GT7 on controller is really, really great. You can drive super smooth, tons of control over the car on and off track. The main downside is that throttle is really too sensitive and you have to drive TCS 1 at least. Now, I switched to DD Pro and so far have 4.000km with it. Not much. I am still faster on controller, but to race with a wheel is better feeling. Finally I can handle some high torque FR cars. I think, that speed will come with the experience with the wheel. so far I lack consistency, that I have/had on controller. The only issue with the wheel is, that I cannot control car off track. its like on some super slippery ice....plus rally is not that great. Windmills track, I was faster by 4sec on controller.

[@banger566]

The but kicker on the two T-GTs is a nice touch. It adds another level of feedback 😀

[@yautjayarrington1732]

G'day Will and team. I wonder if you might be able to do a tutorial on how to adjust the load cell pedal on the DD pro. I am a total Fanatec and pretty much a Sim racing noob. I get all my info from your reviews and posts.