Grave Outside Of The Union City Cemetery!

[@j.whiteoak6408]

What an interesting stroll around the cemetery - particularly the sheer number of Veterans who are resting here. Thank the Lord for all those who have served our countries .. America and Australia share an important military history that forms a special bond between our two countries to this day - and I hope it always does. Thank you for honouring those who might otherwise be forgotten, Rhetty. You are always so respectful . Much love to you and Sarah, and the the girls. I bet they are growing fast!! Kindest regards, Janell XXXX

[@RhettyforHistory]

I have never forgotten the stories of your family and the sacrifices they made during WW2. You're right about the two countries sharing a great military history and it is still going today which is really good to see. All who fought to stop the progression of evil should be honored no matter what country they are from. They are all honorable and heroes in my book. Thank you for watching!

[@j.whiteoak6408]

@@RhettyforHistory Wow, Rhetty - I can't believe that you remembered my family's long military history! How very kind you are to remember! But yes, too many of my family have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. It makes me both sad and proud, but I'm also very grateful to each one of them for having given their lives so that my own life could be lived free from Axis invasion and in peace. The ANZAC Ode is: "At the going down of the sun, and in the morning - we shall remember them. Lest We Forget!" Our family tradition of Military Service continues, with two more of our nieces (sisters) having joined the Australian Army in the last 6 years. (We can hardly wait to have them both home together for the first time this Christmas!) They're both particularly intelligent and extremely pretty girls - and the oldest girl earned herself the name of "Battle Barbie" from her fellow recruits after she beat them at every physical task, and then aced the entire class exams, LOL. After 6 years in they still call her Battle Barbie - but they only do so with the greatest of respect these days (Don't underestimate a Whiteoak gal just coz she's pretty, LOL!) She's just signed up for another 3 years after completing her degree and is moving up the ranks of leadership as fast as she can - while the younger one has already provrn herself every bit as tough and ambitious despite her petite frame. She's been in for 3 years herself, and shares the same dogged attitude & dedication as her big sister - and both intend to make it their life-time careers. We are all incredibly proud of them both! I have the greatest respect for all Service men and women who are keeping our countries safe - and for all Veterans who've served their time for the benefits of our continued peace and freedom. I sincerely hope the traditions of our two countries' special military bonds with each other continue, along with the peace they strive to keep - for many, many more years to come. I can't believe that you remembered though

[@RhettyforHistory]

Well I remember the torturous March that you mentioned. I believe it wad a father and son right? It was certainly not something that every family has in their history. That's funny on the nickname Battle Barbie but good for both of your nieces showing 3veryo e how it should be done. My grandmother was a nurse in the Army during WW2 and she always said she wished should could have done more so she would be proud to see what women are doing now. So far it looks like I could be the last to serve in the family. Unless my youngest daughter or nephew decide to. I was it out of my brothers and cousins many of them have kids that are grown that haven't joined. I was hoping that someone would sort of pick up the torch and carry it on. How many years do you have to serve to retire in Australia?

[@RhettyforHistory]

1:17 The burial outside the cemetery was age 23 and not 13 as I reported. I had a brain freeze it was so cold out there. I said that the father was born in 1893 but that is the year of his death. I apologize for the two errors. From findagrave about the Texas Ranger. El Reno Weekly Globe. (El Reno, Okla.), Friday, January 16, 1903 Uncle John McMahon died last night. He had been very seriously sick with pneumonia fever several weeks. Uncle John was one of our oldest and most esteemed settlers, a prominent mason, a life long democrat and an influential citizen. The GLOBE extends their sympathy to the sorrowing relatives and friends. He will be buried Sunday at Red Hill cemetery. The masonic order have his funeral in charge. El Reno Daily American. (El Reno, Okla.), Saturday, January 17, 1903 The funeral of “Uncle” John McMahan, as he was familiarly known, took place at the Red Hill cemetery near Union City this afternoon. Mr. McMahan was one of the best known citizens of Canadian county, a man who has hosts of friends. He has been suffering with lagrippe for some time and he being 70 years of age, was not physically able to stand much sickness. He was a Mason and the following members from the Masonic lodge in El Reno attended the funeral: Earl Peebe, Clyde Mathews, Dr. Jackson, J.M. Woods, August Peach, B.T. Bingham, A.W. Secrest, Dr. Loudermilk, T.E. Dowell, M.N. Wilson.

[@sherronbell4961]

Great video, the grave inside the fence the Father, you said that was born 1893,then one outside born 1877,did the Father die 1893 ?

[@RhettyforHistory]

Did I say born? I meant died. He died in 1893.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Interesting Michael. Were they related?

[@laurab1089]

So it's possible he had committed a crime or sinned in some way.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes it is.

[@yvonnepetty3400]

That was very interesting it was lovely to see you putting the flags on the graves very respectful. I remember visiting my Great Grandparents grave in the Uk and my grandma showing me the graves of people out side the Church Yard she told me that they had committed suicide there was one area where a whole family was buried. I have never forgotten that. Thank you Rhett Merry Christmas to all the family.

[@RhettyforHistory]

You could be right on what your grandfather said. I know there were many sins where it was like that. Hopefully someone comes forward with a definite answer. Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas to you!

[@nadiabrook7871]

What a lovely little cemetery!! I don't think ANYONE should be buried outside the cemetery fence!! It's VERY sad!! XXXX

[@RhettyforHistory]

I know the fence wasn't there but it's still weird that there is a boundary that he appears to be outside of. Thank you for watching and commenting nadia!

[@wendyjuk4035]

Thankyou for the tour,very interesting cemetery,love to see more.Merry Christmas to you and your family,from the UK.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed the tour Wendy! Merry Christmas to you and thanks for watching!

[@cclyon]

We have a few markers outside of our local cemetery. Turns out the original donated land wasn't surveyed correctly and when the cemetery was eventually resurveyed for a fence they left the two outside instead of reinterring them. BTW, Mrs McMahan had an Eastern Star emblem on her marker.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That's interesting on those graves being left out the way you said. Are they maintained still? You're right about Mrs. McMahan. Thanks for watching!

[@cclyon]

@@RhettyforHistory they are maintained. it was just an odd occurrence.

[@DenitaArnold]

I love when you visit cemeteries. My mom and I used to love to visit old graves.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I love all of the history, art and beauty that can be found in old cemeteries. Tons of stories are just waiting to be told. Thanks for watching!

[@margarettburns7544]

Between Searcy and Bald Knob, Arkansas in the median of the highway is the grave of a infant girl from mid to late 1800's. They refused to move the grave when they built the highway. So, they built a chain link fence around it.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Oh that is fascinating! I have not heard about that but I need to take a trip out there now. Or at least when everything is back to normal. Thank you for telling me about that!

[@swansfan6944]

Thank you for taking me along on another nice cemetery tour Rhetty. 👍 Looks very dry out there, must be awhile since it’s seen rain. 🌧 So nice that you actually take flags with you when you go to the cemeteries. ❤️Jodie 🇦🇺

[@RhettyforHistory]

I try to take flags when I can but I don't always have them. I can't remember if it had been dry then or not. The grass mayhap been dormant in the winter. I'm not sure. Thank you for watching!

[@elvisjohnson1208]

Where my grand parents are buried There's several graves with no markers. It's so sad. We may never know who they were, but God Will always remember them.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'm sure there are many not marked as old as it is. It's a fascinating cemetery though. Thanks for watching!

[@shabernastysmith5785]

Hey Rhetty, My spouse worked on an oilfield site down the road and I noticed that stone outside the fence. The fence looked relatively new, so I figured that the cemetery had the fence placed behind that stone so it wouldn't be so close to the road. Lots of truck traffic on that county road. Would be a shame for the fence to get damaged in a wreck.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That may be the reason why the fence was further back. There was definitely a lot of foot traffic. That makes me wonder if there are more graves in a row outside of that fence.

[@basvanleeuwen6055]

Great video. 👍 I'm from the Netherlands. In the Netherlands it is forbidden to bury anyone outside of a cemetery. You can only bury someone on your own property at the request of the government or municipality.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I think that is a good law to have really. I do think things have changed here and people no longer shun others like this. Thanks for watching from the Netherlands!

[@whiterabbit-wo7hw]

That is really interesting. My wife is a Gibson and she is heavy into family history. She also thinks that could be a relative. We love going " grave hopping ". You do a great job on these. Thank you for doing this.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you and I appreciate you watching. If this does turn out to be a relative and you know some more back story please let me know.

[@TheGraveyardChannel]

I really liked the metal farmhouse-style memorial with the horseshoes. And would definitely like to know why the father's son is buried outside of the cemetery gates. Another interesting stroll through a cemetery, Rhetty!

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yeah that farmhouse silhouette was pretty cool. I'm hoping someone comes forward on an answer with son. Thanks for watching my friend.

[@ParanormalPat]

Watched your video before I left for work this morning. Nice job with the filming and narration and thanks for placing flags on the vets graves.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I think it's the least we can do for them. I wish I had brought more to place. Thanks for watching.

[@gregsayre4700]

the picture of George Gibsons' headstone on Find a grave has no fence in the background. I think the fence is new but they were too cheap to extend it for one grave

[@RhettyforHistory]

That's interesting. Odd how only one grave was out of place. Makes me wonder if there are others in a row outside of the cemetery.

[@bojanglesthewizard8875]

That's good information to know

[@rwm1]

That's what I thought. Who knows what the terrain was like 120 years ago. Maybe they planned to bury more family there. With the fence coming later.

[@AViewFromTheMiddle]

A couple of things I've never seen before. Never saw a grave outside of the cemetery that I remember. I also wasn't aware of the crosses like that for veterans. Interesting stuff.

[@RhettyforHistory]

That's the first time I have seen crosses like that for veterans. I've seen those in rural cemeteries just marking people who were never in the service. That's what threw me off a little. It's always sad to me when I see graves outside of the designated area. They can be for various reasons but it seems like it is an old practice. I haven't seen any new ones like that.

[@rhonda5711]

I really enjoy watching your videos. Your voice is very calming and I learn stuff lol Thanks for doing these. This was another interesting cemetery :)

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and I appreciate you watching them. I'm also glad you're learning things.

[@melbonsmoore5786]

I know they used to bury people on the outskirts of a graveyard if they killed them self, so perhaps that’s why the grave wasn’t allowed to be in the graveyard

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're right about that. Really just about any disgraceful sin at the time was treated that way. Thanks for watching!

[@melbonsmoore5786]

Your welcome, I really like your videos they are always very interesting . I’m from Australia, but love learning about history in general.

[@supportyourtroopsathletes6460]

Could it be that being very old cemeteries that back in these days, property lines and roads were not always the best, could this not be the reasoning? I see you mentioned suicide and what not. How accurate is that however? It does not make a lot of sense that way. I know racial divide has always been a issue even after the civil war.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes but in this time period suicides and various other crimes such as murder would land you outside of a cemetery. So would being black. There are tons of places in Oklahoma and other states where this was an issue. I'm not sure what the stories is. And yes the lines could be blurred somewhat. But not as badly as they are here. Sure not the oldest burials in the cemetery.

[@supportyourtroopsathletes6460]

@@RhettyforHistory .... Okay understandable. I just did not realize suicide would play a factor in where a person was burried. Gee if this is how it was today, some would be burried under a highway somewhere lol. It's not a crime sort of speak but I can see with back then it could be looked at as a embarrassment with mental illness back then not being understood completely. Racial divide is still this way in some areas. There was 5 Confederate Military Soldiers discovered recently that recieved proper Military burials in the Tampa Bay area however the news did not report which branch to prevent the hatred amongst people with what happened to the statutes and such in recent times. But people just do not understand just because someone was in the union forces or Confederate does not mean a specific Military Soldiers was in favor of the cause either. After all, Booth himself was a Yankee himself for instance and yet murdered Lincoln based on beliefs. Many were in similar positions. I am familiar with several Confederate cemeteries myself as well. I am not sure about you but I had Military personal in both the Union and Confederate sides. I will respect both sides equally as biolgical family members in their final resting places however I will never support the cause of the Rebel Military. They still deserve to be honored as American Military regardless. Thank God we do not live in those times however. Thank you for explaining this to me in the suicides as I never heard about this on being outside a cemetery. I really do enjoy history at these locations even though it is sad times.

[@cathyruthroff6226]

Thank you again for a wonderful trip. Blessings.

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and thank you for watching!

[@kenp389]

My two sons love history and your channel! Keep up the good work Rhetty! 👍🏼👍🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you Ken. I appreciate you all watching!

[@williamrooth]

Rhetty, thanks for another interesting video. I really love to go out to visit small cemetaries when I am in a rural part of Oklahoma doing sales calls and have some time to burn. Will eat lunch in my car as I slowly drive through looking at different graves. The ones with pictures of the deceased when they were alive are the most interesting to me. Like they are looking out across time itself making a connection with a future they themselves would find difficult to comprehend. Well done, sir! Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[@RhettyforHistory]

The graves with the photos are the best. It puts a face with the name and sometimes they can give you a little insight into what that person was like. Those are my favorite to see. It sounds like you really get to see a lot. Thanks for watching. It's always nice to know there are others out there like me.

[@ramonachapman368]

As always this was very interesting! Not sure how I missed it before now. I was very interested in the Albers family near the end of the video. I have Albers from Nebraska in my family tree. I know that some of them moved to Chickasha and since Union City isn't that far away, the possibility is there. Thank you so much for an interesting video!

[@RhettyforHistory]

You could be right on that. It might be interesting for you to research and see if they are relatives. There could also be some others in the cemetery and there is few other cemeteries nearby. Thank you for watching!

[@maryettalittle1768]

In El Reno, there is Petree Plaza and the Petree family pronounced it like Pee-Tree. I love your learning, interesting and knowledgeable videos ! Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I did not know that. Thanks for teaching me something new! Merry Christmas to you!

[@backyardzoo7624]

Dude, you have a great voice and delivery. Remind me a bit of Huell Howser who was a classic. Good luck

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching and I appreciate the kind words.

[@ravensbrood3544]

The fence came after the gravesite, not before..

[@RhettyforHistory]

I figured this fence had. Could have been one before or there may never have been one. Still odd it's outside. They didn't have to put a fence up. It's not going to keep out anything.

[@bojanglesthewizard8875]

Someone commented how back then they would bury people on the outskirts of cemeteries who killed themselves

[@Carolbearce]

Merry Christmas Rhett. Thank you for another interesting video!

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and Merry Christmas to you! Thanks for watching!

[@paulstan9828]

That’s nice you placed the flags at the vets graves.

[@RhettyforHistory]

It's the least I can do for them. Wish I had more flags. Thanks for watching!

[@kathleenboatwright8540]

Thank you for acknowledging our veterans ❤️

[@dm607]

I'll swap your cold for my Aussie heat, lol. Many thanks for this walk. Hope you and your family have a wonderful silly season.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'd probably burn up there! We have been having a mild winter so far and then that little front came in and I wasn't prepared. I hope you have a wonderful silly season as well. Thanks for watching!

[@bryanfuller1605]

I'm thinking the fence is placed where it is do to Highway right of way. State and county highways / roadways vary on easements, which has restrictions on fence line placement from center lines.

[@RhettyforHistory]

And you could be right on that. Seeing how they usually bury people in rows it makes me wonder if there are others outside of the fence.

[@JD-iv4jt]

Bryan Fuller that was my thoughts also.

[@raynonabohrer5624]

Great video. A lots of history.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you Raynona. I appreciate you watching!

[@angelpurcell3156]

That 1 grave outside of fence has me puzzled. Never seen that before. I hope they will correct the mistake whoever did it. I love watching your videos. I watched some of yours that you didnt the beard and wow what a difference. Thank you for doing all these for us

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. I've had a beard for awhile now so you really went back in the archives. I appreciate you taking the time to watch.

[@JamiJR]

I've seen it before. People who committed suicide, prostitutes, criminals, and probably anyone seen as a "sexual deviant" (in other words people who happen to be homosexual and moronic bigots think that's bad), were often buried outside a cemetery as they weren't seen as worthy of being interned in consecrated ground.

[@lynnesherwood3748]

My son in law and his brother are buried in this cemetary. They were killed in an auto accident together. Thanks for sharing the history of this little cemetary.

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're welcome and thank you for watching. That is sad on your son in law and his brother.

[@stephaniecoggins733]

Sorry for your loss 🙏

[@yvonnepetty3400]

Interesting Rett. I remember my Grandma telling me that they buried suicides out side"the grave yard, in the U.K.. 😃🐘💝

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're Grandmother was right. I think that was really common to see in the old days. I'm not sure if that is what we are seeing here or not. Thank you for watching!

[@giggles8458]

Very nice! Thanks

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching Pam!

[@European-Okie1986]

Good Morning Rhetty. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!

[@patricktomlinson5426]

I would assume the grave predates the fence, have to wonder if possibly the grave site was located outside a boundary, by accident, and later a fence was built to delineate a property line, and the mistake was then discovered.

[@RhettyforHistory]

The fence is most certainly newer. It is a PVC type which wasn't around at the time of burial. A lot of older cemeteries did not have fences. But he is still clearly buried outside of the boundary area of the cemetery. The only way he would not be is if there are other graves in the row. What would be disturbing about that though is the fact that they have no markers at all and he would be the only one.

[@sharonrussell3030]

Those mounds of dirt look like fire ant hill.I 've found that they look like that in Oklahoma.another interesting video.Thank you

[@RhettyforHistory]

There are fire ants in this cemetery but these had huge tunnels and that's how you could tell they were moles. They definitely have a bad problem with them. Thanks for watching!

[@bobbalooie69]

Found your channel because of the pandemic and the stay home rule our governor has placed on us. You are very entertaining to people like me that love cemeteries. I just had to look up Harry Lester Stevens who you said was born in August of 1895 and died in June of 1895. So like something I might do. Glad I am on Find a Grave. He died in 1897, by the way. Like you said, it was very cold out there and hard to think. Loved the white crosses. Had not seen those before. I live in Ohio. Almost Indiana, but a Buckeye through and through. Now I will check out your other videos.

[@jackiedavis1949]

I would say the new fence was rendered by the modern road. Maybe they should move him inside safe from the road. I am from Duncan Oklahoma. I like the local history I did not know.

[@RhettyforHistory]

It does seem like they should have moved him. Perhaps it was because he has been there so long. It also makes me wonder if there are others that are outside of that fence with no marker. It is a new PVC fence. I wasn't sure if there was some sort of fence there before or not. It's very strange as there are cemeteries in the area that do not have fences.

[@cespinosa53]

Hope you guys have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you Joe! I hope you have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year as well!

[@phipmarchum3825]

Many years ago a lot of cemeteries had no fences to mark the boundrys of the cemetery so some folks were mistakenly buried outside of the surveyed boundrys when there were very few other headstones to show the exact property lines . Mostly the fences were to show the property lines rather than to keep anyone in or out. Most old cemeteries did not have the money to resurvey the cemetery grounds. The sextant usually had a map but many records are lost through the years especially in poor cemeteries. The accidental burial outside of the survey line is not that uncommon in those very old times. Many times there is even no stone , just unmarked graves. The person would have to be dug up and moved to make it right and that costs money and there is no one left to pay .

[@sheafan1971]

Great Video, Where is this?Merry Christmas, Happy Festivus, Happy New Year.

[@RhettyforHistory]

This is in Union City, Oklahoma. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!

[@caroleroseburgh1344]

Hey Rhett 😃🖐️. I think you have done this one before.but anyways, thanks again for sharing your thoughts and Time with US.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I did a little bit. I did a live from there earlier in the year. The live is no longer up because the footage was really blurry. I wanted to go back and show it better. Thanks for watching both!

[@caroleroseburgh1344]

@@RhettyforHistory OH okay.have an awesome amazing Christmas 😀🖐🏼💯.

[@Tedthegreatwhitehunter]

Thank you for the video. I've been wondering all week I've been here why one guy is planted in the barrow ditch

[@RhettyforHistory]

I'm still unsure as to why that happened. I know the fence came after but I don't know why they didn't relocate him or if there are other graves outside of the fence and are just not marked. It is very strange to see one outside of the boundary, fence or not.

[@brianquilty687]

somehow I missed this one first time around. Enjoyed.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for watching Brian. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@wreckcars69]

Merry Christmas 🎁🎄 & Happy New Year 🥳 🎊 Everyone!!

[@RhettyforHistory]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!

[@markrutledge2593]

That's a powerful symbolism, with the woodsmen's marker. I'd think that the kid outside the fence is a victim of a serious shunning

[@RhettyforHistory]

It would sure seem like he was shunned but I don't know if there is a row there and the others are just not marked or what. Thanks for watching Mark!

[@markrutledge2593]

@@RhettyforHistory your vids are very respectful

[@david5263]

Maybe the fence was placed later, Therecis a road next to it. Land sold to the gouverment,and he is the only one on gouverments ground? But I quess you already looked into that knowing how you go at things 😉👍

[@RhettyforHistory]

The fence was definitely placed later on as it is a PVC fence. What is strange is how they chose to even put the fence up and exclude him. There are no laws saying they have to fence up and it technically would not keep anything out. I'm curious to know if there are other people in line with that grave but are not marked. I definitely have questions but no answers. Thank you for watching David!

[@reddirtdad]

Wow! So much to say. The white crosses were made by the Union City High School FFA. I’ve placed flags in the crosses in the NW corner of the cemetery for the past several years at Memorial Day. The wreaths…the reason I found this video is that I was out placing wreaths today. I was looking for more info on the cemetery. The wreaths came from the Wreaths Across America ceremony at Fort Reno. They had some extras, so I placed them in .Union City. My family is from a Union City, and there are at least 17 of us buried there. The grave outside the fence was there before there was any kind of fence. Nothing to do with bad actions. The veterans… there are vets from every war since the War Between the States. Quite a few from WWl. My great uncle is one of them. I noticed while placing some wreaths today, that several,of the WWl graves dated 1918 as the death. I wondered if they were shipped back from Europe together. Many, many WWll graves. Looking at dates, I’m sure they were friends or classmates with my dad and uncle who both served in that war. The very old graves with the curved tops that are cracked are those of my gg grandparents. They fly the flag at Memorial Day. Our Jeep group is discussing possibly adopting an additional cemetery for Wreaths Across America, and this one has been mentioned. Thank you for informing folks about it. Btw, that Texas Ranger was really in the middle of it, considering the time frame!

[@RhettyforHistory]

I figured that fence came much later but what I was curious on is why they even placed the fence there? It wasn't something they had to do. It also made me wonder if there are other graves outside of the fence in the same row? Perhaps they were never marked and we will never know. If he was the only one then then it seems odd they would bury him there even though there was no fence. There appears to be an understood boundary line. Definitely sounds like there is some interesting history there and especially so with the WW1 veterans. I'm glad to know they are not forgotten. Thank you for sharing some more history of the cemetery as well as what you are doing for them. It really is neat to hear of your family connection with the cemetery and area as well. Thank you for watching!

[@Brickbossman]

On the vets perhaps they were wounded or sick and shipped stateside for medical treatment and died

[@dianayount2122]

the ww1 vets may have been some of the troops that were impacted by the spanish flu.

[@bojanglesthewizard8875]

Looks like Elmer A Niniman could've fought, and suffered severe injuries during the battle of Amiens August 8, 1918 - August 11th, 1918, and died later from his injuries

[@RhettyforHistory]

You could be right on that. Not sure if something would turn up with research or not.

[@waterguy956]

There's a good chance that when the road was put through that the one grave was not relocated and ultimately ended up outside of the fence line when the cemetery was fenced. I have seen video of a cemetery in California where graves ended up under the street and sidewalk versus being moved.

[@gypsytreasures3856]

Have you done anything in Guthrie, Oklahoma? Im thinking of moving there

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes I have. I've done the Victorian Walk as well as Bill Doolin. I have some other things that I have filmed I just haven't put it together yet. I have a lot more to cover there. Tons of history.

[@nolastrat]

You were wondering about graves outside of grave yards and mentioned that sometimes outlaws and or black folks were buried outside of a cemetery. Yes, both comments you made are correct, also Native Americans as well as other folks that were not white were buried outside. Other folks that were not believers or had never made a profession of faith would be buried outside as well. A little story about a local cemetery where I live. A person was hung for stealing a horse and was buried outside the cemetery. Well later it was discovered the individual was hung in the wrong and was not guilty. Well the cemetery grew so large that his graveyard has grown and his grave is now with the rest of church members or family of church members which is interesting. Over time his justice from his burial outside the cemetery has come to show his innocence with the rest of the dead church members being buried all around him.

[@The10mmcure]

That fence doesn't look all that old. I just wonder that when they built the fence they laid it out from one end to the other and those two graves were set apart in such a way that the fence just ran through them?

[@RhettyforHistory]

The fence is newer. But the line of the cemetery is really what you have to consider. He is not buried within those lines. If there are other people in the same row with him then where are the markers? No matter which way you look at it something is not right.

[@The10mmcure]

@@RhettyforHistory Yeah that's true I suppose. I just noticed that you made a correction that he was 23 and not 13....I wonder if he could have committed suicide? That was a thought I had to begin with but thinking he was 13 it didn't make as much sense to me as it does now.

[@williamwhitlow2491]

He's not outside the cemetery, the cemetery used to stretch out further

[@piaceciliehenriksen5605]

Love you Reed the name and date 👍👍👍👏👏😊😊

[@madgevanness4011]

In many areas, Roman Catholics, Jews, and Protestants were buried in different cemeteries. There is a story that a religiously mixed married couple were buried next to each other, but each in the cemetery of their respective faith, and a hand was carved on each marker reaching to the other.

[@GothicPrincezz]

Nice vid. Thanks.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you

[@whatsthedealwithdanny3913]

Great video as usual

[@tinaberg]

The picture I found on find a grave did not have a fence behind this grave so it must have been they needed to close in the graveyard and he was the only one sticking out so they just put it behind him.

[@RhettyforHistory]

It's really difficult to say. The fence is definitely newer than the grave. I'm not sure if there was ever an older fence there or not. I'm also not sure if there are older graves in the same row but there just not marked or not. If he is the only one then he is outside the cemetery boundary whether there is a fence or not. Very strange. Thank you for watching Tina!

[@kentuckylady2990]

The grave outside the fence was a possible suicide but I find it hard to believe that he was the only suicide buried there.

[@RhettyforHistory]

You could be right on that. I wondered the same thing but never could find any information online.

[@lisasmith7854]

A Life Cut Short Love it

[@Corgis175]

Very interesting.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you!

[@emileclede4510]

I know there was a Frank McMahan in the Texas Rangers, but don't believe I have heard of a J.L. It would be interesting if you should come across any more info about J.L.Mcmahan.

[@RhettyforHistory]

I have not done any additional research on him. However, I'm wondering if the Texas Rangers museum in Waco has anything on him.

[@emileclede4510]

@@RhettyforHistory John Lafayette McMahan b. Tennessee, 13 May 1833 d. Clay County, MO., 15 Jan 1903 m. 23 Sep 1851, Clay County, MO., Francis Elizabeth Means b. Clay County, MO., 29 May 1829 d. Clay County, MO., 09 Jun 1914 Records show both were born elsewhere and died in Missouri, but also show that both are buried at Union City Cemetery, Canadian County, OK. I did find a photo of most of the McMahan family taken at their home in Union City, OK, in 1895. I still have not found any record of his service with the Texas Rangers, however, but will let you know if/when I do. As far as the Gibson grave being outside of the fence, I agree with one comment that this is most likely due to the right-of-way for the road, which does appear to have been built sometime after the cemetery was already established.

[@RhettyforHistory]

If you do find anything please let me know. It was a surprise and interesting. I tried to do a quick search and came up empty.

[@Amasod1]

Why not ask the city why that grave is outside the fence or the cemetery caretakers. There’s always a caretaker if the cemetery is no longer in use. Where they’re supposed to be

[@RhettyforHistory]

There is a caretaker and the cemetery is in use. No one really knows the answer though.

[@Tedthegreatwhitehunter]

I saw the care taker yesterday day and was going to ask him

[@grasshoppercrews1296]

I see a road way ,when he was laid to rest ide bet the road wasn't there ,so fence builder had to set fence back so far from right of way for road.

[@gaylakellner720]

I done some digging I could be wrong but I think he was a colonel and he is actually buried at Gibson National Cemetery and that is just an honor marker ..there is no telling but that is what I read ty this so interesting

[@RhettyforHistory]

That is interesting. Do you by chance have a link?

[@gaylakellner720]

@@RhettyforHistory genealogytrails.com/oka/canadian/unioncitycemetery2.html

[@gaylakellner720]

@@RhettyforHistory www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/Oklahoma/Fort_Gibson_National_Cemetery.html

[@gaylakellner720]

I sent you 2 I thought would be of Interest to you..Thank you for your videos I really enjoy them

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you for sending the link!

[@janineharrison5186]

I agree with Greg, they put a road in and the fence followed the road and George, unfortunately wasn't buried conveniently for our 'modern' needs. Sad....

[@RhettyforHistory]

It makes me wonder if there are more buried in a row with him and they are unmarked. If he's the only one then it makes it a little strange.

[@davetreichel4308]

Does your PO Box work?

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes it does.

[@LeveretteJamesClifford1955]

Perhaps the son't grave is outside the cemetery because of the road widening and new right of way required. Rather than moving him inside the cemetery, local highway people left the monument as is, not realizing that it is an old English custom to put people who have embarrassed their families out of the cemetery. Otherwise, I would say he committed an act that is not necessarily a criminal act. I have one such ancestor's brother who is buried outside the family plot with the epitaph "Speak nothing but good about the dead." Perhaps since George does not have that epitaph, it is because of the highway widening. Where I live, if you find a grave while widening a road everything has to stop until everything can be known about the diseased can be learned, then reburied.

[@Bananabandit0903]

I love these videos so much ♥️

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying them and I appreciate you watching.

[@johnkelsey2482]

Very Good.........

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you John!

[@bthompson1767]

That fence is new

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes it is. It's a PVC one.

[@gravelpitlady]

Some times there are lots of people on one headstone. You read one person on one side and another person on the other. Also if you changed your religion, you might have been banned from the local graveyard.

[@curtgomes]

Just for the record the son was 23 years old and not 13. That might change the circumstances of his death??

[@flamingstag2381]

could be a suicide , but as i know it they were buried back left of cemetery facing the opposite direction !

[@RhettyforHistory]

It could be. I'm not sure but that or some sort of crime is the first thing I thought of.

[@FarleyHillBilly]

1:17 he was 23

[@RhettyforHistory]

You're right about that. I guess my brain was cold out there. Thanks for the correction.

[@mikelovin7]

@@RhettyforHistory Also the grave inside the fence had a later born date, so couldn't be the father of the one outside the fence.

[@RhettyforHistory]

The grave inside the fence had a dare of death as 1893. That was 7 years before the one on the outside.

[@mikelovin7]

@@RhettyforHistory The one outside the fence was born 1877, the one inside the fence you said was born 1893, so the father couldn't be inside the fence. Although I can't read the born date, I was going on what you said the born date was. Thanks for the upload, I enjoy seeing forgotten people remembered.

[@lindaball6714]

Tx ranger sent

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thank you Linda!

[@waynelkohrjr.8557]

No body takes care of it needs clean up and trim .

[@dogmad6773]

1877 - 1900 - 23 years.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Thanks please see pinned comment

[@margarettburns7544]

Bag worms. They are called bag worms.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Yes and they are a nuisance!

[@waynelkohrjr.8557]

Baby headstones Always had a Sheep on top of them.

[@RhettyforHistory]

Not all but if you see the sheep then they are babies or young children. Thank you for watching.

[@sandystevens8040]

Interesting video lots of history 💦💦