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[@EposVox]

Admittedly I was thinking there's a LOT I could do with this, it's way more convincing but $5600 is not something I can swing

[@minimalfun]

Hey Epos, good to see you here. Well, this is not a good projector, I won two awards for video mapping and the first thing that I look for in a video projector is LUMEN, this only has 2700!!! Which is .... criminal. Panasonic PT-VZ580U has 5000 lumens and its only 1200$. For VFX work that is much better than this fancy TV, and I won't recommend that at all. I am not gonna get into the details of why, but lumen is everything and light falls off insanely quickly, its the inverse square law. So when you are 10 feet away from that VZ-580, 5000 lumen projector, the light that you get is about 1000ish, that is just not good for VFX or anything like that. Btw, I am a fan of your videos!

[@EricLefebvrePhotography]

@@minimalfun Yeah, the luimens are a bit on the low side but one of the big draws is short throw coming from below. A classic lensed projector is a lot harder to place than this.

[@minimalfun]

@@EricLefebvrePhotography You are right and that is an advantage but what I am talking about is the bounce back from the wall onto actor's face. If background is supposed to be a light source then that much light is far less than ideal.

[@I-_-I_SB]

\-_-/

[@alexpollock6932]

in 5 to 10 years they'll probably be common place

[@DylanPlayzz87]

Omg. I could get this projector and put a white wall behind me, then project a green background behind me for a green screen 😂😂.

[@seangentry2943]

They actually did this sometimes on the Mandalorian. If certain background elements weren't finalized during shooting the LED wall for that area would just be solid green and replaced later in post

[@shadowproductions969]

@@seangentry2943 which is sad because then you have to chroma and fake all the light interaction and it never looks as good.

[@seangentry2943]

@@shadowproductions969 99% of the wall was still displaying the actual background in the shots I saw, just one little portion would be green. I think the ambient light would still be enough to work with and base the small bit of fakery on

[@shadowproductions969]

@@seangentry2943 okay, yeah if it was mostly in camera then it wouldn't be much worse than doing a digital replacement for something. Seems like you could do an in camera comparison to the original background cg to do an accurate key as well. Doing a full green screen with this method requires a LOT of extra work to even remotely look as good as in camera. I'd love to get a setup like that.

[@ian9outof10]

@@seangentry2943 yeah, it's literally just the view from the camera they make green. Then the use rough shots around the set to give "location" light.

[@PeterKae]

My low budget solution is 10 guys dressed as trees passing the window running around the car behind the camera and repeat the process 🎥😊 worked always well !

[@RyanTh3Great]

That sounds way more expensive than just using a green screen.

[@ethanhegel8576]

You can afford 10?? Lucky.

[@SaiKelly]

😂😂😂

[@PeterKae]

Ryan Garner Haha probably it is ! 😁

[@shadowproductions969]

So as someone researching virtual sets. I've seen vr rigs attached to cameras to act as a virtual camera. (You can buy the actual position sensors too but vr is semi affordable). Unreal Engine 5 is coming out next year which should make photorealism much easier. If this uses 4k hdmi/displayport inputs. It seems like you could use unreal engine and a vr combination with a good camera and this projector setup to achieve a small but reactive set.

[@filmriot]

I've been thinking about this too. Maybe we'll figure a way to do something with that.

[@msteelefinley]

@@filmriot there is also a method where you can do a chroma key in Unreal engine while streaming your footage and then live composite to your background and output the final results with reactive virtual sets. you can have the final video feed go to a seperate screen for actors and crew and one on your camera rig to a monitor. That allows for as big of a GS as you can get to be a virtual set. it's backwards, then forward again. Like Marty Mcfly.

[@fourscorpio]

@@filmriot Yes! If you can figure out a way to achieve some kind of parallax, that would be fantastic! I've been researching and testing Virtual set extensions and matchmoving camera tracking in Blender.

[@MishimaZaibatsuCorp]

Hey I was thinking the same, remember those xbox kinekt hacks?? Similarly this shouldn't be that hard to do in a smaller scale. If you want to collab and do some ideation I'm IN.

[@shadowproductions969]

@@filmriot here is one low budget tech demo you may want to check out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYq4k6uVmseljqM

[@LivingVerse]

Bruh, I was literally just like "hmm... let's see what Film Riot is up to, they haven't posted in a WEEK"

[@marqiCG]

The search algorithms have invaded human thoughts...before you even think of it there it is

[@jasoncarman_]

One of the best Film Riot episodes I've seen in awhile. Took an old technique and shared valuable history then expanded it and made it a comparison video while inspiring people to use a new (but old) tech. Great work.

[@jasoncarman_]

THE PLOT TWIST "ITS THE PROJECTOR" YOU GOT ME HAHA

[@gregjoblove672]

Noticed this is the background of last episode, and hoped you would make an episode about it! Looks awesome! Thanks

[@fleshmuseum]

2020 version of DIY filmmaking is a $5700 projector for 'stylized' shots.

[@2gunzfilms425]

right!! lol

[@MrDarrylR]

If you're planning on short depth of field/blurred background, then 4K doesn't matter. There are a number of 1080p UST (ultrashort throw) projectors in the $1200-2000 range. They might require hooking up with a smart blu-ray player, Roku/Fire plug-in, or PC for streaming content, but that's a small sacrifice.

[@veryamazingandcreativename]

This sounds super cool! Haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I love you guys’ videos! Please keep up the amazing work!

[@PoetsDownfall]

I was like WHOA I need to look into this projector. -Clicks link.- (Almost $6,000) -Closes tab- So anyway, I'm selling my kidney.

[@tekatomon]

it's got a $300 dollar discount now LOL

[@davidhallberg]

There are others with 4k,short throw,laser or led that are less then half that!

[@LaLogic2]

@@tekatomon what, the kidney?

[@krishnananchal6474]

Just started watching your videos couple of weeks ago now strongly addicted to your videos.... love from Kerala INDIA❣️❣️❣️

[@ZachDoumit]

for the people freaking out about the price, consider this. The cost of moving cast, crew, camera gear, craft services, audio, and lighting to the rooftop of a building, or into a deep forest, etc. you're probably going to be having a similar if not larger price to pay, but the projector can be used infinitely and any time you need. Take everything in context :)

[@kasperstenbom]

Woah, that you were actually infront of an projected image all along took me by surprise 🥵👌🏼👌🏼

[@elgreco912]

PLEASE make more episodes like this. Not only is it fascinating, its great to hear your thoughts on new pieces of technology and how this ties into movie making. Keep up the great work! Also, ya know...Josh on a motorcycle 😂

[@LangstoniusRex]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! Ever since i found out how the Mandalorian is shot, i became really interested in this technique.

[@sandeepsv9804]

The shot of Josh in the car looked like a scene from the unhinged movie.

[@sylvestrisstudios]

I love that you referenced Jurassic Park. The first film available for home view in surround sound. I remember sitting in my dad's lounge watching that scene and the sound of the stampede moving from the right of the room, around behind me then over to the left. Game changer!!

[@SreeBrahmith]

You always do super cool content.... learning a lot from you.....keep creating ✨

[@filmriot]

Thank you!

[@SidneyDiongzon]

WOW!!!!! That's amazing dude!!!!

[@cryptoenthusiast724]

Thank you ''Film Riot'' you inspired us to start our KZbin Journey🙏🙏

[@soiled]

the projector backgrounds just look so much better than a green screen, all day long, no question.

[@TheFunDimension]

Since I made my own 3D environments, I always had this in mind. I’d like to try Unreal Engine just to see what would I be able to do as an extension, but also because UR5 will launch next year, and I bet things may turn out to be for the best in terms of filmmaking.

[@REAL6]

Try dreams 😂

[@jmalmsten]

Traditional front screen projection setups usually had the projector set up in line with the camera and used a beam-splitter (essentially a two way mirror) to line up the projected image with what the camera would record. The image was projected onto the the talent, but it was faint enough to not be noticed while the screen behind them had a coating that is generally described as "3M" in all the documentaries I've seen about this. That coating made it so that the faint image that wasn't visible on the actors got reflected at almost full force back toward the source where the camera was sitting. Yes, it meant that the actors were also casting a shadow onto the screen, but since the camera and projector was in line it meant that the silhouette of the actor covered the shadow perfectly (if set up correctly). tl-dr: 2 way mirrors can be obtained fairly easily nowadays. But I wonder. Does 3M or any equivalent but cheaper competitor still sell those screens? I think one can build a similar setup but more mobile than the old days since both cameras and projectors have become so much smaller over the years. And the beam-splitter is basically the same as the 3D camera mirror rigs that Hollywood has been using for quite some time now.

[@MichaelSavidgeStoryteller]

Hmm...I'll have to try this out myself. It's amazing, I would have never thought working with projected images at this level of quality was doable. Thank you for inspiring me!!

[@VenturesWithDan]

Would love to see more epic things done with this projector

[@fourscorpio]

I recently acted in an indie film where we shot on a soundstage using front projection. The DP used a handheld rig and the finished product looked amazingly real. That inspired me to research set extensions. Been experimenting a lot with Blender and matchmoving greenscreen footage for those times you need parallax (ie dolly/crane shots), but for medium shots and CU, this method is far superior because of the reasons you say in the video -- a much easier workflow and the lighting of subject will match BG perfectly!

[@innocentmmeto]

Josh's gotta be in a feature film, I'll keep saying this until it happens

[@Gleebi]

Sicario 3: Muchas Gracias

[@Flashixi]

This is actually amazing and there's so any uses for this I might actually buy my own.

[@sa__insights]

Love your work and your content. VERY HELPFUL VIDEOS🤘🤘🤘

[@idxstudios]

Thanks you! This is exactly what I need for info!!

[@Cheatcoe]

This is real cool technique. Something that the actors can look and interact with. Hope more modern filmmakers use this technique.

[@RandomCat125]

Holy Crap! I remember watching these guys with my dad when I was a kid. Can't believe there still making videos.

[@DillonProductions]

Many Possibilities with this. Love it!

[@arslankamel1398]

Thanks, this show's nice photography, and how it's work. Nice!

[@ElisPhotoVideo]

This is awesome! I really want to make a film using this technique now!!!

[@robertm3951]

I always wanted to get a short-throw projector. One would be great for quarantine movie making.

[@PetRatPro]

I've gotten this video recommended to me at least 5 times today despite watching it twice, you did something right lol

[@joshbailey8935]

Wow, this looks good! Most projector tests I've seen just don't quite look right, the blacks aren't black enough. Here it works really well. The only one you can tell is the car, but probably because it's in such a small space and all your other lights are spilling on to it.

[@davewood6868]

If you put a VR headseat mounted on the camera and used Unreal Engine to store the background, and/or other props, you could move the camera and change the environment too! You could also render foreground elements and composite them in post. I think that would work.

[@NasserTone]

This is a real inspiration & great review Thanks a lot for your efforts! I have a simple question I wish you can help me with it please ❤️🙏 When You tries the LG 4k short throw as front projector, did you use it on a normal grey or black wall or backdrop? or you used it on a special screen with Ambient Light Rejecting ALR that are made specifically for such projectors? I wish you can help me with this as I'm planning to get a short throw 4k proctor soon? It would be highly appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏

[@alainjacques4256]

Really amazing video, & yes I have the same question as the ARL screen are also considerably costly too. Please let us know if they are really necessary? Would the studio lights affect the quality of the projector photo so badly if it was projected directly to the wall?

[@NasserTone]

​@@alainjacques4256 Yes, that would be real help .. ​@FilmRiot I hope you can help us out? & if yes, could you please tell us which ARL screen you were using?

[@Shawrma94]

Yes Please kindly let us know 🔥😍 Again thanks for this amazing video! Super impressive to know such cinematic secrets!

[@PritishPranjal]

Wow...A great topic... One of my favourite channel...

[@CZsWorld]

How do you keep your film lights from ruining the illusion?

[@gereral1_jackofalltrades]

Called grid on a softbox to direct light in a tight pattern.

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Also Negative Flags help to cut the light from the parts you don't want it

[@renecsicsovszki3923]

With some RGB-LED Lights that receive the Lighting-Data from Unreal you can light your "Real-Footage" the same way as in Unreal

[@denversproductions9934]

What they are doing with mandalorian is amazing and i completely agree it is going to change filmaking. One of the nest things too is the actors response too it because it gave them the feeling that they were actually there and it made their job so much easier

[@Zach_Films]

It would be so cool to see this combined with what cinematography database is doing. Between the two of you, you could build a "DIY" virtual set like the one used in the mandolorian

[@RodneyKimbangu]

Yeeeeees, back to where it all began. Now waiting for someone to make it affordable for Indie Hustlers. Thank you, Film Riot!

[@andrewjeisenman]

Honestly, the projected background is awesome!

[@fabiuskriele3967]

The car sequence looked very good.

[@jonfraserdop]

I recently used a cheap projector from amazon to use as a green screen for a music video and it worked surprisingly well! Not as bright obviously but it gets the job done! Saved me from bringing an actual green screen on set and having to light it

[@misshelloareyouthere]

THANK U! I’ve been trying to learn this method for years. I think reality show use this method

[@DrCrazyEvil]

Just got into filmmaking recently again been binge watching your videos, gonna get started on a horror movie next weekend with my go pro, I know its not the best camera per se. But it does get its job done ^^

[@felipebascunantips]

that`s window to the city scene... man.. really bought it

[@RaoulEnoiu]

This looks really awesome! Still out of budget for most id say but it’s a start. Even to just watch movies at home

[@stupid4President]

Has 4K projector and uses it mostly for out of focus/blurred shots. Somehow I think you could have done this with your own/old projector.

[@kentjensen4504]

Another fantastic video. Question. With these projectors, or if using a large monitor for close up rear projection, do we have to worry about the projected video’s frame rate or frequency matching the frame rate of the camera filming the projected background, say 24 fps?

[@backwoodsfilms875]

This is just what i needed. I wanted to film in a forest at night but our forest can be sketchy. And we just got a projector so👍🏻

[@mvstudios1015]

Thanks Film Riot🙏🙏🙏

[@theadventurebiker]

Awesome stuff here!

[@saemranian]

Great Thanks man for your sharing

[@ImaginationVFXhouse]

You could probably add the parallax if you track the camera movement in real-time. Would take some serious problem solving and experimenting but it seems pretty plausible. For the actual virtual backgrounds. I believe Cinematographers database had a couple episodes creating a virtual camera studio with parallax but he used a green screen. I think bringing both of these projects together would be epic

[@TransformX]

Didn't see your comment before commenting the same thing. À raspberry pi and some trackers around the camera. It could be "easily" coded (by someone who knows what he's doing of course lol). Creating small parallax movements from a static image shouldn't be too difficult. Merging both and voilà 😅 It could be a cool project for film riot

[@unknowncaller4739]

Didn’t even know this still existed haven’t seen you guys in years cool clip

[@celtman1213]

$5700.00!!! Oh yeah, I'm gonna run right out and buy a couple

[@dietwedge]

I'm using a $300 1080p Projector from China with similar results. 4K would be nice, but it's not needed.

[@0racleElf]

@@dietwedge which projector are you using?

[@shadowproductions969]

@@dietwedge depends on the quality you're filming at as well. Green screen and virtual sets is another Option but the idea of no chromakey and real light interaction is the beauty of this. I'd love to try this with a projector like this.

[@arunsp767]

All that to have a blurred background

[@dietwedge]

​@@0racleElf Not anything on this level that is for sure, it's right here. 1080p, 7200 lux and can shoot a 300'' image for under $300. I bought it for movies in the backyard and it's now got a second function :) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YBQ6D24/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[@ChrisGeden]

The depth of field doesn’t look right with the projector. Trees and buildings that appear feet away have the same DoF as trees or buildings that are miles away. Maybe it would be better when shooting with everything in focus or filming your projector footage with the desired T-stop in mind so that it matches. Definitely something I’d love to test out and make use of. Thanks for not making this some boring review.

[@GettingInCharacter]

This is so cool!

[@WolfsHaven]

Seeing what the Mandalorion has done with this type of technology has been inspiring. It's amazing to see what you can accomplish with the updated technology. I've been toying with going into debt to build my own volume and renting it out, just so I can play with it. Doing it here in the Midwest, it should pay for itself in no time. Maybe. 🤣 On a budget, can you use these high end projectors in a rear screen configuration to somewhat light the scene similar to what they do with the video walls?

[@rijin9460]

Here in my country Just announced the first virtual production feature film. Seems like its a very practical technology for film making in this kind of situations

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

That end shot had me dying! lol

[@elwiken00]

That's pretty neat! Hook it up to a Unreal 5 set up and you can pretty much replicate (to an extent) what they're doing with the Mandalorian

[@ngenomsquad5362]

Very mind-blowing...

[@EliasPhoenix]

If Film Riot hearts this, I'm on a winning streak.

[@EliasPhoenix]

Life is beautiful.

[@carlosrueda9204]

This actually had a pay off

[@MobileFilmmaking]

this is amazing. i want one

[@mordaciousfilms]

I think in odd ways rear projection looks better. I'm really gonna have to look into this method for my own films because even though I'm very much of this current generation, something about the old - more practical style of effects appeals to me more.

[@heybella2867]

It’s so satisfying

[@robertbouchardt3357]

Rear projection was used on the apollo moon landing productions :)

[@15clank]

I love they made you give it back

[@ge2719]

nice work. would add a lot to the abilities of the setup to use some steam vr tracking hardware to track the camera and have the image projected be a rendered image. Would be cool to see you guys look into that.

[@codemanthe2nd343]

I would love to see more.

[@techtrashing]

You could try adding a motion track/parallax with a VR/360 scene add a VR helmet WMR/Oculus etc to the camera - Even a smartphone version would work as a test.

[@captaincloudsuperhero6869]

I’ve been exploring some options for having a more dynamic background when streaming on Twitch... This would be pretty epic...maybe in a few years!

[@NJ4KTV]

Oh I am sold

[@shreddator5636]

You can definitely use a projector with Unreal Engine, a Vive tracker on you camera, and a couple base stations to get an affordable but versatile small virtual production setup. You can even scale it with multiple projectors and a feature called Ndisplay in Unreal. For those who are interested there's a great community Facebook group called Unreal Engine: Virtual Production where everyone from Indie studios to Big productions are posting examples, asking questions, and sharing knowledge.

[@nightwingsurfer]

Film Riot you are just awesome. :-)

[@dam55ian]

i love working for the bigger media companies so i get to play with stuff like this and virtual sets

[@samuelt7961]

This is amazing

[@rfzw]

Personally I think the biggest advantage of using a projector over green screen is that it's VERY difficult to light a green screen properly (i.e. lit evenly across the entire screen, and without reflecting green light back onto the actors, which is especially challenging in smaller spaces)

[@haxstir]

Where it fails in the last FX shot (and in a lot of front and rear projection) is that the density of the darks doesn't match. That comes down to the luminosity of the projector in relationship to the on set lighting. Get them closer and you'll get a far better match.

[@Yosser70]

You could use a second cheap projector shooting into something reflective placed off camera and aimed at the talent, and playing the same footage as the expensive one. That might give you some environmental lighting that’d Mach the background. I know that’s one of the the big benefits of the system they used on Mando :)

[@lorenzonarwhal]

Your channel is sooo inspiring! So front projection is better than rear one? Where do you find background images to project? Looking on Google images I can’t find so much good images to use...

[@FerraFilms]

Awesome film riot

[@margauxgo]

Thanks for this video. I have two questions : 1. How do you avoid flicker ? are there special characteristics to the projector ? 2. You dont actually answer the question in the title ? Is it better than green screen ? if so, how ? Thank you !

[@YourBigHorse]

Would love to see a budget version of this

[@DirectorNachoB]

I think is going to be perfect for editing

[@mattiasalegro]

That Revision 3 logo!!!!

[@brandhuetv]

thank you for this useful info you always sharing with us, what about flickering at different FPS rates? or 240fps slow-mo !

[@NightmareProject]

We need one of these bad! Come on, LG, throw us a bone and sponsor us one!

[@cj64films]

Nanlite has a tube light?! I own the Forza 60w and absolutely love that light. This was such a sick setup there is so many creative possibilities.

[@Nueztoy]

I was getting really inspired. Then I saw the price.

[@gereral1_jackofalltrades]

The results in front of your film riot logo are excellent. You can get perfect color gradings on your skin tones in front of the monitor because the light from the background outlines you which you cannot duplicate in a green screen. Think about the TIME you save from delta keying out the green screen before video editing. Hours of savings. All I do is a green screen on my channel. It takes 7 hours to remove the green sceen. Add alpha channel export to dxhd and back in davanci for real-time editing on a pure black background. I capture in dnxhd 220mbit atomos 422 8bit with canon g30 camcorder and separate zoom h5 audio. Even on intel 8700k fully loaded davanci takes along time for fusion green screen. I also include noise reduction in-studio version so exports are 4 fps per sec. With this screen you can skip all that but you will still need to add noise reduction to make it look really nice.

[@EricLefebvrePhotography]

3:20 You can pull off the Unreal Engine production at home ... to some extent. FXHome has a way to track motion using an Iphone and import that data into Unreal and apply it to a virtual camera in the engine. It's not QUITE the same since you don't get the lighting from the massive led walls but you can now have 3d backgrounds that react and paralax to the camera movment. I'd love to seee what you guys could do with this.

[@dietwedge]

Been experimenting with projection and Unreal Engine VP. Sooooo many possibilities.

[@hiskishow]

The forest behind Emily looks like a wallpaper. No depth to the trees. You would need to do the whole tracing+unreal to make it work.