GREG TRIMBLE'S "GIVE RUSSEL M. NELSON A BREAK"

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

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[@ZelphOntheShelf]

The Bear www.paypal.me/zelphontheshelf :)

[@paulbrodie331]

This is an effective sales pitch, but i just got hit with a $2500 tax bill. So, threaten me with incarceration and I'll pay you, that's how the IRS wins.

[@starsn7974]

Johnny Phoenix What because he made up a planet? I’m still stuck in this cult and I’ve been a member my entire life but I don’t know of any great astronomical predictions or teachings from JS. Please educate me.

[@starsn7974]

Johnny Phoenix So are you conceiving that Joe wrote it all? Because he did. What about all the other things he said would happen and never did or just are completely not true? Do we just conveniently ignore them and only focus on this one example what is really don’t that good as it just fit perfectly with his narrative of God. You can cling to this dodgy example but what about the large number of times Joe was wrong? Explain that to me before anything else

[@quebeccityoliver4742]

@Johnny Phoenix I like this because it is so like muslim apologetics - it can be interpreted as saying, or look it clearly says that the universe is old. Unless Joseph Smith came out and said that the universe is 13.8 billion years old then he did not talk to god. This is the problem with this idea. Plus, people probably could count them and god definitely should be able. Is your god so weak and powerless? And yes, he was a good con man. Obviously.

[@NewNameNoah]

You had me at, “We are raw dogging Greg Trimble.” 😂

[@valimayy]

Truth Defender woaah mormon boy don’t sin with those spooky curse words

[@TheShodan92]

@Johnny Phoenix ... I was hoping your toxic perfectionism would stay on Mormon friendly pages.

[@kennethd.9436]

Johnny Phoenix Joseph Smith believed people lived on the Moon. 😂 www.mormonthink.com/QUOTES/moonsun.htm

[@NewNameNoah]

Johnny Phoenix, um, pardon me while I laugh my ass off. 🤣

[@TheShodan92]

@Johnny Phoenix ... Spreading lies is not spreading love, bud. All Joe Smith "knew" - in a biblical sense, - was a bunch of married women and very young teenage girls behind his wifes back. Needless to say that if he had tried one on any of my teenage daughters I would've cut his f**king nuts off and rammed them down his throat. Oh... and by the way bud, a telescope doesn't have a conscience to know a dam. Please wakey wakey and hand off snakey.

[@InPrincipioCreavit]

"Obedience has never been the equivalent of morality." Well said Tanner.

[@bridget182]

It boils down that one of the revelations was a mistake and the other was the revelation. And if revelations can be mistakes, then prophets can't be trusted to provide real revelations. If you are going to say they are trying their best, they are just fallible men who don't deserve your unwavering, unquestioning obedience.

[@h.r.9563]

I feel like last conference we were told not to bother telling apart whether it's doctrine or a man's opinion. I'm trying to find the quote but I remember be appalled

[@kkheflin3]

Y'all are doing such a good thing to help people get out of this cult! I am ex-LDS after forty years in the church (I left in 1992) and am now a 64-year-old woman. I am still very angry and carry a great sense of betrayal for all the thousands of hours I spent doing "temple work" for dead people and "callings" of service that totally consumed my life probably 20-25 hours a week in addition to raising three children. Not to mention wasted "tithing" of 10% of our income for so many years. Could have paid college tuition with all that $ instead of my kids getting saddled with loans that will take many years to pay back! Members of "the church" generally won't look at or believe any literature outside of the "faith promoting literature" manufactured by the church. Have you seen the BITE model of identifying cults? It is great, but my experience has been that for the most part Mormons won't even look at it. If they DO, then they make comments such as "Well, that certainly is true about some religions but certainly NOT the Mormon church!" I agree that often the most convincing information is to point out inconsistencies in their own literature since everything else they consider to be apostate material. Showing them all the inconsistencies between the Book of Mormon and their own Doctrine and Covenants and the Book of Abraham works much more effectively. A quote by a past "apostle" of the Mormon church can also aptly apply to the JW's and many other cults. " If we have the truth it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth it ought to be harmed.".... J. Reuben Clark. You are providing an excellent service to people. Keep up the good work!!!

[@alesejackson4272]

I wish KZbin and your channel had existed when I was leaving the church, 20 years ago. I felt and was SO ALONE. I barely even had the internet to do the extensive research I needed to "do battle" with my family. I mostly just said, "I'm leaving the church because it makes me feel yucky, ok?!". Never doubt the good things you are doing. You offer so much validation and hope to those who are embarking on one of the scariest, loneliest walks into the unknown they will ever take.

[@redbeforedawn4170]

lmao this entire video is just them saying to greg trimble that one onion headline that is: i don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people

[@stviz87]

More men need to wear eyeliner! Looks amazing

[@acronen]

"Most of them have been professionally successful enough to lay on a tropical beach, or lounge in a Park City cabin..." Or have an all expenses paid vacation to Rome and not even have to dip into their vast amounts of "professionally earned" wealth.

[@SamanthaIAm7]

I watched Nelson’s talk to try and figure out what was being fed to my family these days. 75% of the talk was fear mongering and now I fully understand why my family is so insistent (and emotionally desperate) for me to go back to lala land. The classic western colonial imagery of “members will have mansions and non members will have meager roofs over their head” was disgusting on so many levels. Wack AF. Have never heard of Greg, but he sounds like someone who would bump into you with their shopping cart, look at you awkwardly, not say anything, and keep moving down the aisle.

[@daverenken1371]

samanthaiam I’m just watching this like a year or more later after it came out. What talk from Nelson are they referring to? I hope I hear back to what it is. Thank you

[@ben_clifford]

Actually No. I know Greg Trimble personally and he is one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He serves his fellow man tirelessly and without prejudice because he's simply full of love. I didn't watch this video and I don't care to because I know Greg and anything negative anyone has to say about him is either misinformed, misunderstanding, or out to make trouble.

[@savannawoods4376]

tanner impersonating a prophet talking about monogamy was SO spot on i died

[@taylorkh818]

TLDR; as a victim of abuse from parents and partners it is validating and cathartic to hear you compare the cult experience to that of abusive relationships. In my opinion apologies from abusers mean absolutely nothing and I don't want them unless they are coupled with active work to change the abusive behavior (applied to either an abusive individual or organization). I always feel such a catharsis when I hear people compare cults to abusive relationships because while I have been atheist most of my life (dabbled in paganism and almost got recruited into Mormonism, dodged that bullet), I grew up with abusive parents and have been involved in abusive relationships. I feel like these experiences shaped my desire for truth and drew me to the skeptic/critical thinking/atheist community for many of the same reasons ex cult members are drawn to the community. Anyways, it is a very validating comparison to hear. Something I've come to feel peace with after dealing with toxic people, going to counseling, recognizing my own toxic behavior and working to be a better person is that personally I find wishing for and wanting an apology from my abusers to be a waste of time and more damaging to my mental health than anything. Especially when the abuser has a history of apologizing for personal gain rather than out of genuine caring and regret of their actions. I don't want apologies from my parents or my past partners who have hurt me most because I know I could never trust that is was genuine. I'm not at all saying that it is wrong to want an apology from a abuser, church, etc. But I can imagine imagine how difficult it would be to trust the authenticity of an apology from a corporation as large and powerful as the Mormon church. I think if a person or organization truly feels sorry for their actions, they will work to change. Inevitably those changes will be visible (at least to some degree) to those they have hurt and for me as a victim that means so much more than an apology, especially consistent change. I'd much rather my parents actively work to change the way they treat me by going to counseling rather than apologizing (they have avoided, refused and made excuses for not doing this for the last 25 years, but maybe some day that will change). I'd rather just never talk to past abusive partners again, but if I had to I'd want to see them treating others better than they treated me and not displaying the same toxic behaviors on social media or other social situations. Words are powerful, but in this instance they mean nothing to me as a victim of abuse. A change of character and behavior means more than "I'm sorry" ever will.

[@kateisgreat199]

Perfectly said! ❤

[@kacey3522]

I hear you talk about the second anointing sometimes, and haven't seen the video describing it yet. So I wanted to look it up, and I found a church website that states this about the matter "FairMormon is confident that no faithful Latter-day Saint would want to learn about such a sacred matter from unauthorized sources. Furthermore, no Latter-day Saint would wisely seek such information prematurely, any more than a parent would want a child to read an unauthorized transcript of the temple endowment prior to attending the temple for the first time." Honestly, I'm not surprised. I just find it sadly funny at this point. They really wanna shelter their members huh

[@skullkxndy4336]

yass the eyeliner!

[@Malignus68]

I kinda think he's prettier without it, but whatever...it's still him.

[@FreakinSweet86]

This policy reversal is like this: "Oh! Thank you so much Mr. Arsonist for putting me out after dousing me in kerosine and setting me aflame! I'll be sure to use you as a role model for my kids and teach by your example!"

[@adrianoines521]

The Christian persecution complex is real

[@michaelhunt3576]

I call it JDS, Jesus Derangement Syndrome. ;-p

[@angeldream1]

Also the bible says we are supposed to rejoice in our sufferings. Not whine

[@lorineilson7529]

Mormons aren't Christian

[@whifflingtit9240]

@@lorineilson7529 Bullshit, all it takes to be Christian is to believe in the Abrahamic God and that he has a son through which salvation is found.

[@elizabethasphodel6020]

Hey, Tanner and Sam I just wanted to say that I love you two as a duo. Your backgrounds complement each other and bring different perspectives to the channel.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

You have to understand GA stress, it’s not easy being the focus of everyones admiration, it’s easy to have everyone stand when you enter a room, it’s not being treated like rock star everywhere you go, it ‘s not easy when people hang on your every word you say and every utterance is taken as revelation. It’s not easy being right all the time even if your not, it’s easy being complimented by total strangers and being told haw inspired you are. It’s not easy flying first class at the church’s expense. You have to ease up on these guys, they have to live their life’s too.

[@abigailquick9256]

I swear both of you get prettier every video... I read this article on Saturday and was disappointed but not surprised at the contents lol. Glad to hear your takes!!

[@franklybenjamin2718]

You guys are way cute. I laughed at least thrice. And by thrice I mean the entire video. As an ex Mormon this is just so RICH! Keep it up. Congratulations, you’ve got a new subscriber ;)

[@TanishaMartin]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@smdh99]

Zelph On the Shelf I love the straight forward approach. "Give us MONEY" That's perfect! 😅😅 U guys are adorable!

[@lianatoric7099]

you guys just flow so well together it’s almost like one person is talking

[@NotWithThisFace]

Great video, thank you for taking the time to cover these topics. I would give anything to have people in my life that I could talk to about this. My family on my father’s side is Mormon and its incredibly helpful to hear that so many others feel the same way that I do about the church

[@ianharris3502]

Have you checked out mormon spectrum? There are a lot facebook pages you could join, and perhaps find a community that suits you!

[@NotWithThisFace]

Thanks for the info, I’m one of the weirdos who doesn’t have facebook but I’ll definitely look into it!

[@ianharris3502]

@@NotWithThisFace there may be groups that are accessible aside from Facebook. Give it a look!

[@brauliosanchez767]

What policy are they talking about?

[@TheMalmarie]

How about a video on Mormons and Money. Not just that the church has its books closed but the strange expectation (and priviledge) that young Mormon men have to make 6 figures in their 20s.

[@ianharris3502]

lol wut

[@auntiequeenie5271]

Yes, constant impossible life consuming expectations.

[@biteme109]

??? I mostly see broke mormons! But im not in Utah so who knows...

[@auntiequeenie5271]

They are all broke, those jobs dont exist, but they are pressured to chase money and opportunity that does not exist, so the frustration levels are high, their home and growing family is therefore always tense. The church further pressures them by promising the windows of heaven will open and shower them with ble$$ings and their faith will grow, and opportunitie$ wil flow, by giving more money now, in the form of generous fast offerings. Of course if your little family is now further impoverished by making further offerings, asking for food assistance from church will be denied; the official directive is the bishop now says Go, ask your family or the town/another church food pantry, recieve state welfare benefits....and continue to give all your time money talents and life to the church, recieve pressure and expectation to give more. Follow the profit= an eternal grave.

[@TanishaMartin]

Well if they don't, they clearly aren't faithful enough to have the heavens opened up to them... /s Smdh

[@ameliaweixler6976]

"The bottom line is that if there is a loving God, then there is no policy on this earth that is going to keep you out of the presence of God and long as you are living your life as a good person." Except that the church was LITERALLY stripping people of their 'eternal salvation' because of this policy. Also, based on Rusty's conference talk, it is clear he definitely does not believe this; he hit super hard on how we will be separated from our family members who are "unworthy". Nice try Greg, but according to your church this is demonstrably false.

[@kylepederson9420]

I was going to watch this, but Samantha's gorgeous shoulders were too much for me, it's too tempting to engage in self abuse.

[@kiquito]

Oh but you missed the very end with the "money shot" then! lol

[@jameseast9229]

Same, but about his Freddy Mercury stache

[@jayanderson147]

I just wanna let you guys know how appreciative I am of the content you guys are making. I've struggled a lot with deprogramming myself from these harmful teachings, and the validation that you give me for the feelings and thoughts I've had since I was 12 is the support I have not and will not receive from my family. You guys are amazing and I love your content.

[@bethanyhanson9700]

I'm seriously so happy you guys reacted to this😂 a woman from my old ward in my hometown shared this to Facebook and I immediately thought of how you guys would react😂 Personally? I couldn't even get through the first paragraph. Too much bullshit too quickly.

[@LaurenVHamill]

I love the way you guys dig deep into topics and analyze them. I'm learning a lot from you. P. S. I like Tanner's shirt.

[@Ennbra]

These videos are SO HELPFUL for me, really am so grateful for you guys sharing your thoughts. Conference sparked two phone calls from family that sent me into a very depressing spiral lol Keep up the (real) Good Work

[@coltenboyd7488]

I love that you brought up that last part! I am LIVING after this video!

[@juv7751]

So I decided to go through Greg Trimble's blog archives to see if he wrote anything about the nov 2015 policy and I didn't see anything posted. But if you do a search for nov 2015 posts with Greg Trimble, you can bring up a lovely facebook post where he shares a gay mormon man's favorable opinion of the policy. And at least to me, that shared post rather reeks of privilege and someone who is childless.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

I think he might have deleted his post on the blog - someone should look up a web archive!

[@TheNickhis]

"[Bootlicking] is the first law of heaven the cornerstone upon which all righteousness and progression rest." - Bruce R. McConkie

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

TheNickhis 🔥

[@johnphillipstevensen3490]

Did Mormon leaks .com post the internal marketing research which seemed to prove that the previous LGBT hate policy cost them really big bucks???

[@tmofvb7653]

A FB friend posted his article on social media with the caption, "Couldn't have been said any better." 😊🔫

[@jw8631]

I was thinking, Wow, Tanner looks pretty today. And then I realized you have eyeliner on. Nice! I love it :) Also love this video. I have spent a lot of time with my momo family lately and need to hear some logic to counter their testimonies.

[@austind.4461]

Thank you for informing the uninformed! You guys are amazing❤️

[@moldylasagna3778]

can i get "where are the fruits, GREG??" on a t-shirt

[@cass_p]

Tanner's face at 16:48 is everything.

[@seanclawson5997]

Wow . . . What you said about the how who we were in the church was who we ACTUALLY are reacting to certain parts of the church is SO true! Man, I’ve never thought of that before. Great video as always (I’m a first time commenter but a long time viewer . . . I’ve just finally gotten over the fear that I’ll get struck by lightning if I do so 😉)

[@ameliaweixler6976]

Tanner's facial expressions are my spirit animal.

[@wpgoalie1]

OMG I started that article and couldn't finish it. One of my mission acquaintances posted it and my eyes got stuck from how hard they rolled.

[@katnelson4851]

Tanner you look AMAZING with that eyeliner! I love it so much 😍

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Kat Nelson Aww bless you! ❤️

[@Amytheproject]

I love watching your videos when I start redatenading myself . Ya know like when you take a shower or are cutting veggies and your mind just doubts leaving the church for a fraction of a second and then you remember everything .

[@silverwolf2k]

My parents are exactly like Greg and it's quite unfortunate.

[@Trillidotia]

The eyeshadow looks so good on you, Tanner. Good work, Sam. You two are so... I love you and your videos. Your reactions are so spot on, especially regarding those revolting ticks in SLC. Trimble has such gaul!

[@Adrian-gk5vs]

YOUR EYELINER IS THE BEST 😍😍🙌🙌

[@paulbrodie331]

Remember the creepy "gentlemen" on Buffy the Vampire Slayer? They were these bald ghouls in suits who floated above the ground and stole people's voices, if I remember correctly. Anyway, that's who I see when I see Nelson. Been that way for years. Maybe that's why I've finally broken the spell of the church since he became prophet. Seeing a ghoul from Buffy the Vampire Slayer at the pulpit finally woke me up. Great video!

[@Panfolils]

From the episode Hush? Totally

[@kaylamay2311]

"And we wanna burn down the whole church" I literally laughed out loud.

[@craigstephenson7676]

If Jesus was real, I feel sorry for him. He was just some dude wanting to do good and fix Judaism and then things went down the drain after he died

[@kynan41]

The LGBTQ+ community is trying their best too. Greg needs to take it easy on them. "Time is running out."

[@TrimbleGreg]

I totally agree. I have friends and family that are part of the LGBTQ+ community and we love them unconditionally. I think we should love everyone. LGBTQ+, Apostles, prophets, Mormons, ex-Mormons... everyone.

[@acronen]

@@TrimbleGreg What about Satan? Should you love Satan? Maybe he just needed a friend, or a hug, or somebody to listen to him. I mean, his dad was pretty over reactionary and abusive toward him.

[@saigeanderson2516]

Can you do a video on the psychology of the church?

[@luvmorrisey20]

You guys are friken crazy!!!! You always make me laugh and I love you ❤️

[@dreemdazer]

Thank you guys for applying your sharp reasoning skills, and humor, to these convoluted issues with the church! I think I get overwhelmed and confused with it all because as former members we were always told what to think, so having you guys strip away all of the sophistry and distilling it down to its essence is hugely helpful. I envy Samantha's perspective in that she's had a 'before', 'during' and 'after the church' experience, and so has a clearer picture of what's going on. Thank you for sharing your perspective Samantha! Btw, the twerking and shameless begging for money almost got me to donate, lol. I'd love to donate when it's in the budget :)

[@redbeforedawn4170]

tanner’s eyeliner is back!!!!!

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

He got too many comments on the last video, HE'S NEVER GOING TO STOP NOW!

[@freemandiaz5123]

@@ZelphOntheShelf Tanner spreading glitter. Do It!!

[@derektilley669]

Loved the phrase “ outsourcing his moral compass”. Brilliant.

[@soup_please]

I just realized that I watched 18min of this video and I still have no idea what policy they are talking about.

[@tonietutorials6064]

Tanner, your giving off Jared Leto vibes. Love it.

[@zachc349]

I wasn't raised Mormon (tho my parents are conservative christians...) but as a human being with empathy, I really appreciate this video, and your anger at how grossly inhumane the Mormon policies were. Much love guys~

[@garymarshstein8992]

Tanner mentioned Nelson's talk and how twisted it was. "Thinker of Thoughts" did a video breaking down exactly why his talk was so manipulative that is useful to watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apfchYOErZemq5o

[@tiannabusby8382]

Here's a novel idea. If the leaders have so much pressure on them because they are trying their best to do what is right for so many people, maybe they should stop trying to tell people how to live their lives and instead let people think for themselves. That would alleviate the pressure they feel.

[@smdh99]

Good God woman... Are you mad? A cult leader walking away from the cult? They would have to kill those poor ppl. 😅

[@tiannabusby8382]

@@smdh99 lol! True. But can you imagine the waves it would make if one of the top leadership came out and publically said it's all bullshit? Alas. Only in my dreams.

[@smdh99]

@@tiannabusby8382 The best dream EVER! It's gotten so rediculous that church members continue to deny things even after the church has publicly admitted it. I don't get it. 🙆

[@tiannabusby8382]

@@smdh99 me neither! 🤣

[@FedorkablePro]

I love Tanner's Polygamous Prophet Rambling imitation

[@jamestrefethen4546]

Ever get the impression that the church is lead by a bunch of narcissists? From what I understand, charisma (aka “the Spirit”) correlates highly with narcissism. I’m interested in what everyone thinks.

[@jameseast9229]

Haven't watched many of their vids yet, does anyone know if they've read the CES Letters

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Yup we have

[@lynnsiealbs4372]

I however, am not sober 😉

[@kennethd.9436]

Great video! I remember watching “The Invention of Lying” while at BYU. It’s funny and was an excellent tool to change perspectives on the narrative of religion. Avoid church leaders who make ad hoc assertions and policy changes on a whim.

[@benzun9600]

3 years is a whim? Not sure if you are a believer but Jesus changed his mind and God the Father changed policy often.

[@smdh99]

@@benzun9600 You must be talking about Mormon Jesus/god. The Christian God/Jesus of the Holy Bible has never ever, ever, ever, changed His mind concerning His commandments, His character, or His word. Hebrew 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Policy?? 🙆

[@maisiekelli7843]

For some reason negativity came with it ......... FOR SOME REASON!!! The level of gas lighting is audacious

[@rexmobley2760]

Also Tanner That's a Kick Ass Shirt !

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Rex Mobley thanks Rex! 😘

[@Aelffwynn]

Tanner is looking more like a beautiful 1960's Jesus every day.

[@dreemdazer]

I like the "explorer' tag. So fitting :)

[@emmajlz363]

Don’t let Greg broach your Atheist Jesus vibe Tanner! I’m not and never have been religious (thanks parents) but I watch your videos and that one was major

[@olgaisupov7854]

You two are the best! Love your eyeliner Tanner!

[@Marie-pc7ch]

I saw the garbage he wrote and I immediately thought of you. Thanks for this video.

[@lucysunman5067]

Were you guys on Mormon stories marathon talking about the policy change? JD said you would be but I can’t find it... loved your video response!

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Lucy Sunman we weren’t. We ended up just doing our own video

[@camilliatobler3810]

Tannar, I'm jealous of your liquid eyeliner skills.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

It’s eyeshadow and Sam did it ;)

[@zaclovespenguins]

"Things will be better once I'm out of my stressful job" type of abuse hits home so hard, and is such a painfully good metaphor for the church's abuse.

[@deadinside3028]

"He iS tRyINgGgggG" 😂😂😂

[@angeldream1]

I love this channel. My church was pretty weird too. Here are some things I now find silly after believing almost 31 years they were salvation issues: no food in the building. no kitchen allowed in the building or you'll go to hell. you have to go sunday morning and night and wednesday night or you can be disfellowshipped some places. you MUST be water baptized fully immersed in order to be saved. no instruments and no instrumental christian music. holidays are okay, but NOT about jesus. easter and xmas are fine just no talking about jesus and no teaching about anything related if it is around those times! lol. church of christ.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Wow!!

[@smdh99]

What was their issue with Jesus? That's crazy!

[@arranmphillips]

I know I'm 5 years late but the synchronized air quotes are so important

[@monkeytime3169]

The song "follow the prophet" repeats the same phrase about 50 times. They teach children this crap from a young age, which disgusts me. I memorized that song before I was even aware of what or who the prophet was

[@SarahRumley]

Does anyone know if the church has talked about the suicides after the policy was made?

[@nicholasa9049]

If they did I guarantee they didn't take much responsibility. Did you see the piece in the Deseret News after Ellen DeGeneres said to her millions of fans "The shame created by the Mormon church is causing countless children to kill themselves." The whole piece was about brushing off responsibility. www.deseretnews.com/article/900021663/op-ed-responding-to-ellen-on-mormons-and-teen-suicide.html

[@ScentitarFragrance]

This might be a truth bomb. I think that this and the protection or defence put up for Nelson was a diversion or exposed the possibility of the church's invalidity.

[@hannavignolo6454]

Quaquerism is the only type of christian religion that I would be a part of: their principles are inclusive and loving. And they have been marrying gay people since before it was allowed!

[@rexmobley2760]

Powerful !!!

[@jonjahr3403]

@Zelph On the Shelf When Greg keeps saying "We don't know" so many time's it reminds me of the the line "How will we know when we just don't know" from the song Serenity. Which ironically is by the band Godsmack😂

[@BrelynnHeart]

Think of how this whole situation effects mothers and families of a kid who committed suicide after they made the policy... Three years later theyre like "oops, lets just pretend it didnt happen". The mother(and family) now has to face the realization that their child DIED for, apparently, no. fucking. reason!

[@kb-ly6dx]

"Wheres the fruit Greg!"

[@Thedanyeager623]

I’m going to shout “GREG!” whenever some asshattery goes on. The printer breaks : GREEEEG!!!!! Ugggggh!

[@volkerthefiddler]

Is the information about growth hierarchies available publicly? Sounds interesting.

[@volkerthefiddler]

I didn't catch the name of the lecturer.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

We first heard it discussed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHXNdKF8q99kZ6M

[@volkerthefiddler]

@@ZelphOntheShelf Sweet! Should have guessed, lol! :)

[@ThomasJDavis]

When Greg Trimble brings up "past" situations where an apologetic argument for those situations has satisfied the minds of believers, he's expecting a similar line of reasoning to satisfy the minds of believers with the current situation. But the condemning nature of the current situation against the church's truth claims is such that: 1. Some past situations used by believers or apologists are not accurately analogous to this situation. And there is either one or more unique factors the current situation has that the analogous situations didn't have which nullify the previously used line of reasoning for the current situation. 2. Accurately analogous past situations would only reveal further condemning evidence for the church and its truth claims.

[@James93H]

Y’all ever seen seen Big Mouth? The GREG thing was spot on 😂

[@rubendhoyos9886]

Seriously, the last good “prophet” who had something relevant to say was Gordon B. Hinckley. After he passed away, Monson and Nelson both sucked.

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

Paul never met Jesus or any of the disciples. The man needs to read the book.

[@Penningtontj]

A lot of Christians need to read the Bible, actually get into it. After that there won't be as many Christians.

[@andreathomas3170]

I love you guys!

[@adrianoines521]

I am already terrified oh no

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

You should be.

[@cassidya.963]

I don't think they can say "sorry" cause they would be admiting fault and be liable for damage they caused with a false policy. I mean if they were all loving and stuff they should be better than that but... almost like they don't genuinly give a shit. hmmmmmmm WiERd

[@ScottBub]

Very funny! Good job.

[@Thundersnowy]

Greg clearly didn't hear Nelson's talk that says all the good people are not going to the good heaven. You have to be on the Covenant Train. I wish you guys would do a video on Nelson's Come Follow Me conference talk. It was so atrocious, we need to hear rational thought addressing it. Please? Tell Greg to read the that talk. His whole paradigm will need adjustment. Spoiler alert: what's love got to do with it? Nothing!!

[@brauliosanchez767]

Hi fabeled. What talk are you talking about. I'm very interested in reading it. Regards

[@lemueljr1496]

Church of Christ... do you mean The Church of JESUS Christ (Bickertonites) or COMMUNITY of Christ (Formerly RLDS)? Both are better options, but CofC is the most open minded of all of them.

[@michaeltaylors2456]

The second anointing makes a stake president’s wife very flirtatious

[@drewdaviper]

Great vid!

[@dekuquan7010]

His eyeliner is so good and fresh