Plato, Apology | Why Socrates Does Not Fear Death | Philosophy Core Concepts

[@DaMilkManMan]

I'm writing an essay on Socrates and his thoughts of death. This is very helpful, thank you

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it was useful

[@The.Breakfast.Burrito]

Thank you, Dr. Sadler! Your explanations are so easy for the lamen (me) to follow! I'm glad that you have chosen the path of teaching! You exemplify Socrates' statement in The Apology that teaching human beings is truly a noble profession!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Hahaha! Except Socrates thought nobody really did teach anyone else

[@ChristianWeilmeier]

I came across this video and stuck to it till the end. Short, useful and instructive. Thanks.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks to you as well

[@kruszer]

And suddenly it dawned on me how much I zone out in my classes! Thank you for distilling it down to a 15 minutes that my ADHD could tolerate. Now, half a semester makes more sense!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it was helpful for you

[@jericcope420]

Amazing! This helped me articulate more on my position paper.👍 Thank you!

[@kylepatrick4996]

I always wonder if people stumble upon these videos when they're in a tough place existentially. Judging by the titles, I think many could have. Love the talk, Dr. Sadler. Read Annas' intro to Plato among others for my tutorial on the Apology. Well prepared as always thanks to you.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Some might, to be sure

[@bezbela3126]

I am writing a fiction plus philosophy book. I am from Ethiopia and your videos are really helpful

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad to read it!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Is this Plato's full account about death, its meaning, and the after- (and before-) life? No, but it's an important piece of the puzzle

[@MrMarktrumble]

thank you

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome!

[@SynAckStacker]

Gregory B. Sadler thank you for taking the time to produce these

[@jessicatsaturyan5640]

I can’t seem to figure out if his argument of death is inductive or deductive?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Plot it out for yourself, and you can figure that out. Then again, not all arguments are either inductive or deductive

[@ABB14-11]

Socrates strikes me as an independent thinker, is there a video discussing what parts of Greek religion he accepted and why? Because it seems so narrow to only speculate those two possibilities.

[@GregoryBSadler]

I stick with the text, where those are the two discussed Easy enough to search through my videos

[@lucasjohnson9729]

Loved your video very informative! Thank you so much for this video.

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're very welcome

[@sarahgaskins2319]

thank you so much for this

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome!

[@esthermacedo4160]

Socrates mentions in the Phaedo, "that the day may come when you will understand. I suppose that you wonder why, as most things which are evil may be accidentally good, this is to be the only exception (for may not death, too, be better than life in some cases?) and why, when a man is better dead, he is not permitted to be his own benefactor, but must wait for the hand of another." please explain.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Indeed

[@agapelove9816]

So I think Socrates' faith in the mortality of the soul gave him the courage not fear to die.

[@GregoryBSadler]

immortality, you mean

[@agapelove9816]

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[@RobertF-]

It's extremely interesting how similar Plato's theory of the Afterlife was to the teachings of Hinduism.

[@GregoryBSadler]

On a surface read, maybe. Not when you do solid comparative work

[@shirshoshan3853]

i've been stumped on the same philosophy essay for a week, this helps so much!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad to read that it was helpful

[@LillithMK]

Athenians: You are going to die for impiety, do you have anything to say for yourself? Socrates: Hey, if we're right about it, in Hades I'll get to do exactly what I'm doing here, but this time, _they can't escape_ Now I wonder if the Athenians started to fear death after Socrates.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, if they believed in the old views on the afterlife, quite possibly so

[@uyandamabuza552]

shit, this is amazing, thanks G, going to kill my essay

[@GregoryBSadler]

+uyanda mabuza You're welcome!

[@musicvibes6104]

hey did you kill your essay

[@connorism69]

Unrelated question... I noticed in Xenophon's 'Symposium' that Socrates says of Nikeratos that he had paid large sums of money to Anaximander and Stesimbrotos. Unless he is referring to someone other than Anaximander of Miletus, then he must have been over 120 years old to have even coexisted with Anaximander, given that the symposium has been dated at around 422BC and Anaximander died in 546BC. Was Socrates being facetious in his accusation against Nikeratos, or is something odd about this? I haven't read many documents from this period, so I apologise for my ignorance.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes, totally unrelated question -- why post it here of all places?

[@connorism69]

Gregory B. Sadler Matter of timing. Happened to be simultaneously watching this lecture and reading Symposium. Question withdrawn.

[@GregoryBSadler]

A better place for that sort of thing would be either the main channel, or perhaps G+

[@hans-wernerbrussig9130]

"We don`t know death, but it is the most surprise" (Sokrates)

[@zacharyomwenga5251]

i love the explanations

[@GregoryBSadler]

Thanks!

[@sarah041795]

this was my least favorite of Plato's works. If it is unknown whether death is a good or bad thing, then any conclusions are arguing from ignorance. The statement "we shouldn't fear death because we don't know what comes after" therefore must be equally as plausible as "we should fear death because we don't know what comes after." ugh. am I missing something?

[@GregoryBSadler]

"am I missing something?" Yes, if you think that the value of the entire dialogue comes down to the discussion of death

[@MrCombobreaker315]

Is the dialogue trying to question what is good or bad? If it's not just about death, then how can one say that a fine or prison is bad, or at least worse than death?

[@GregoryBSadler]

MrCombobreaker315 "If it's not just about death, then how can one say that a fine or prison is bad, or at least worse than death?" I think you're expressing things a bit confusedly here. It would be precisely because the dialogue is about more than just death that one could then place death into the sort of context you're asking about. As it stands, it's pretty simple to see that the dialogue/speech is about more than just death - one just has to read it

[@michaelcoleman8278]

I think I can see where your coming from with this, I would be inclined to agree that there is a fear involved with the unknown, on a natural level.

[@davidlopp5]

Good thoughts, nice vid.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Thanks!

[@lukao.3969]

If Socrates doesn't know if loosing his life would be bad, then how does he know that taking someone else's life is morally wrong?

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@abdullahihilowle3117]

this is helpful

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad to read it!

[@nvarmuhamad9874]

So about the exile i think he mentioned people from other places will treat me better and it's gonna be mockery for you athenias that other people treatme beter than you do, correct me if i got it wrong dr

[@GregoryBSadler]

You got it wrong. You'll want to reread the Apology and also read the Crito

[@michaell4527]

Who was saint Gregory. :)

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@joeyc811]

Would you be able to recomend a good text on learning Logic?. And do you think one should read the great philosophers chronologically?.

[@GregoryBSadler]

There's plenty of textbooks that are adequate for doing what gets called "logic" these days -- Copi's for instance is just fine. Expect a textbook to be just a starting point. Yes, I think there's something to be said for studying philosophers in a more or less historical order.

[@joeyc811]

Gregory B. Sadler appreciate it, and the great vids as well.

[@GenEmperor]

It seems that the possibility that Socrates didn't think of is that maybe death is a bad thing and it's 10 times worse than prison 🤔

[@GregoryBSadler]

GenEmperor there are many possibilities Socrates doesn’t discuss. You might want to think about context at this point.

[@T.K.KIRKLAND.]

I'm so scared to fucking die

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, you're not Socrates, right?

[@baldwyn876]

Find better acoustics the sound isn't connective enough

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@Hatthinkers]

Regards

[@DJSTOEK]

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[@d16024]

lol, im like Socrates ! YOLO !

[@GregoryBSadler]

Sure, yolo, indeed

[@lueblobster2881]

Yolo indeed

[@umarmessiah2804]

was Socrates a prophet?

[@GregoryBSadler]

No, I don't think so

[@sebastianulfvengren6420]

Prof. Sadler, While I agree that Socrates does not need to be thought of as a Prophet, would you agree that Platonic literature 'casts' him as one? I.e. the persona of Socrates has some characteristics of a prophet. Also, any thoughts specifically on Nietzsche's cynical interpretation of Socrate's last words, 'We owe a cock to Asclepius, pay this and do not forget'? I find these words to be more inoculating than poisonous. (I can't shake the strange implication Asclepius' association with the deified Imhotep (Imouthes) could have on the over-all meaning of the line. Imhotep is the first commoner to be venerated and worshipped in Egypt. He is an early character of history, known as patron of the scribes, architects, healers, and priests. If not Socrates, then certainly Plato should be seen as the architect of western philosophy and morality (as the common era's Imhotep)). You've been a great resource, I really hope you know that this channel is special. Much love

[@hermesthoth3813]

Sebastian Ulfvengren hmm dunno look up asclepius the perfect discourse of Hermes trismegistus. don't know if that is relevant but most certainly a good philosophical read

[@hermesthoth3813]

Sebastian Ulfvengren but yes just like Hermes trismegistus is the fusion of Hermes the Greek god and Thoth the Egyptian god, asclepius would most possibly be a fusion or linked to the Egyptian equivalent but IDK Iam still reading all this.

[@sebastianulfvengren6420]

The Asclepiad and the Hermetic tradition in general are definitely instrumental resources to the question I posed. Syncretism is very tricky to work with and the academic tradition refuses to be inspired by its possibilities. If you enjoy syncretism and Hermeticism you'll enjoy meditating on the winnowing oar from Homer's Odyssey, it has been a key metaphor in my budding philosophy. The winnowing oar; the hero's final task-- remembered to be forgotten, in deed misplaced. Keep wondering/wandering bro.

[@ForeverBlueRoses]

What is Death? Death = Wages of sin.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Not here buddy