Griffin Newman & Patrick Willems Discuss the Future of Superhero Movies

[@YumiSumire]

8:45 27:45 48:06 1:10:31 Here are the parts that weren't included in the original video.

[@nardpuncher]

YOU A HERO!!!

[@Detren]

Not all heroes wear capes.

[@nolaffinmatter]

+1

[@jackdraper8558]

Thank you. I want to go to the timecodes but also I'm totally cool with watching it all again, love these two

[@PauLtus_B]

@@Detren Some wear antennas.

[@NarfiRef]

How about time stamps for the content that wasn’t in the other video?

[@jeffreynunya4716]

🎵Blank Check with Griffin and Patrick🎵

[@aModernDandy]

Jeffrey Nunya are they friends? Are they hashtag twofriends?

[@jackdraper8558]

Downtown Griffy Newmz rocking the house

[@jonloc8535]

That sports analogy was spot on

[@bennettjasper2804]

i guess Im asking randomly but does anybody know a tool to get back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly forgot the account password. I would love any assistance you can give me.

[@braylenmateo9171]

@Bennett Jasper instablaster =)

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

It’s actually very weird putting Griffins voice to his face. It’s less weird on the Tick because he’s playing a character. But here, he is more akin to his podcast self (which btw; everyone listen to the Blank Check podcast)

[@oscart7827]

Don't know what to say or to expect? All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check.

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

Oscar T - sometimes their check clears. And sometimes they bounce.. baby

[@jessicajginting]

I immediately thought of Keanu's Constantine when they were talking about unique takes on popular comic characters / standalone films that works

[@ScaryMason]

Jessica Ginting I can watch Constantine every day. I know, because I have watched that movie every day for a month.

[@chillwaffle2033]

A lot of people hate on that movie, but I enjoyed the hell out of it for what it was.

[@stevencooper1103]

I love the hellblazer comics, I have for years. I also fucking love that movie. It's just a different take on the character.

[@dantan1249]

ScaryMason something about being In a bigger universe makes singular movies seem less then. I can’t see dr. Strange like Harry Potter because I already know so much about the universe that i know the limits of where it may or may not go.

[@bf0082001]

Excellent! And Patrick is a generous interviewer/co-host. It was great the way he gave Griffin the space to articulate his ideas, and how he engaged with them rather than just pursue a pre-conceived list of questions/ideas. A gem of a video.

[@Knasibas]

Hold on... Wait a second... Hold the phone... I think David lived in London at one point

[@piemanpie2424]

Knasibas *BIG BEN CHIMES*

[@jackdraper8558]

Is there any chance Here me out He was a bartender in Paris????

[@jordanrodriguez7502]

ITS GRIFFIN NEWMAN OF BLANK CHECK AND THE TICK FAME!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@BrianVarvaro]

And the Chris Gethard Show!

[@lewisfilms]

“A weird feeling of emptiness”. That’s called adulthood.

[@sifatshams1113]

Also, nothing beats McDonald's in Russia. They're definitely Putin something in that food.

[@dantan1249]

Sifat Shams *putting 🧐

[@josuem7398]

@@dantan1249 r/woooosh

[@michaelloughlin8592]

"hey are you ready to start that video?" "yeah sure one sec, let me grab my dumb hat" "Dumb hat? great idea. I'll go get mine too"

[@thepudgyninja]

This was really great conversation. And I say that as someone who is fully on board with the MCU and their vision for a shared universe.

[@rpm2390]

Just imagine the beat of Tony throwing his development in the can in Civil War by getting back in his armour if in Age of Ultron he was just the guy in the chair

[@jonny12mac]

Can we get a retrospective conversation in light of Endgame?

[@miguelbranquinho7235]

They should have just waited for Endgame, because a lot of what they're talking about mentions it, directly or indirectly.

[@SuperSecretAgentNein]

For what it’s worth, as much as I agree with pretty much all their takes, I was amazed that Endgame made me feel closure. Even if the MCU takes a nosedive next year or the year after (it will eventually!), I still got these three “phases” that so act as a mostly complete story, and some of my favorite characters really got closure. Closure is something I had long ago lost hope I’m getting from the MCU. I guess that’s the one thing I think they missed the mark on, they said that endgame can’t end making you feel “full”, cuz it all has to go on. But at least for me? I was emotionally satisfied by the end of that one. It didn’t leave me wanting more. If there were dangling plot threads, it didn’t wave those in my face enough for me to notice. Mind you I’m still watching these movies and these shows. A year of Covid for sure helped me regain some appetite for the mcu. But if it ended tomorrow? I’m pretty sure I’d be okay with that.

[@micfoz1]

I wish we could’ve had Ben on here too. I love griff so much. It’s so weird to be able to see him and hear his voice at the same time 😂

[@piemanpie2424]

MickeyFozzy my favorite thing about Blank Check fandom is that everybody loves Ben. DIRT BIKE BENNY

[@jessicajginting]

The doggo walking through and no one pet him/her

[@sudevsen]

49:59 TWISTED! *guitar riff*

[@MrBobbywan007]

It's funny how they are grinding Marvel for teasing future movies or not having a discernible ending to its story while praising Spider-Man 2, and at the same time forgetting that in Spider-Man 2 they teased the confrontation between Harry and Peter for a third film and it literally shows in its final shot a preoccupied MJ after Peter leaves to be Spider-Man.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

In fairness, MJ’s face in the final shot is a perfect ending because it shows how she chased after this new life and yet now realizes she’s not a complete part of it. She chose to be with Peter but now he’s running off to be Spider-Man and leaving her all alone. It’s more a thematic conclusion of the film it’s in than a precursor to the next one.

[@MrBobbywan007]

@@UltimateKyuubiFox yes, maybe it could be interpreted like that. What I got out of it was that MJ still doesn't know what she wants; she went the Jameson route and was conflicted, and now with Peter that sentiment persists. Either way, I feel they left the door open to continue with her story.

[@eddycxno]

Roberto González yeah but that was to continue spider-man’s story. mcu had things like iron man 2, age of ultron, and others that felt like they were just to service the next installments of future movies that were years away

[@MrBobbywan007]

@@eddycxno I completely agree that those movies didn't handled the world building in the best way but then there are cases like the first Ant Man, in which the post credit scene was from CA: Civil War. You could watch the movie on its own without that after credit sting and it still works. What I'm getting at is I don't agree with the notion that the problem is somehow systematic to whole enterprise, just because some movies dont handle it well.

[@nicholasermey2620]

@paula they certainly aren't for everyone but I think they feel a lot more like a movie than a product. I quite enjoy them but if you have any reasons to dislike them than that's fine

[@Evan-nx9ng]

Patrick grew up discussing the future of superhero movies

[@sudevsen]

Is this a reference to Stuckman?

[@ChadKirk]

Sudev Sen stop

[@LSOP-]

This is a very interesting re watch in 2021.

[@jccaron71]

So looking forward to the next season of the Tick on Amazon Prime.

[@martinthomas-couture229]

I'm here from the future...I'm so sorry.

[@oscarnanco3559]

I thought I was the only one who really liked Guardians vol 2. Definitely one of my favorites along with Captain America the first avenger

[@insertnamehere1867]

really really doubt that any of the characters will be recast. The actors, especially the original avengers, are so synonymous with their characters that audiences will never accept it. I cannot imagine another iteration of Tony Stark that isn't RDJ, especially in the continuity/universe, and I think Marvel knows that

[@beckobert]

There has been a time, where nobody could imagine anyone else as Sean Connery as James Bond. Or at least I assume that.

[@silverXnoise]

The nemesis of this dynamic duo is the sun on a clear day.

[@BrickBroadcasting]

Let us know if Kevin called! .. more special guests... like this video, please!

[@River_StGrey]

I think this is basically a description of what capitalism looks like as a culture. Quality that is ubiquitous, and can't be too specific so as to appeal to the broadest consumer base (fast food), and which continues indefinitely as a subscriptive service (sports). Not explicitly in a negative way, it's just how art and media looks when it is born out of a late capitalist perspective. It's like with doritos specifically being designed to keep the consumer from wanting more, and not being satisfied. It ensures a continual profit, because it adheres to ubiquity and on going consumption, which fits when applied to how Marvel oversees, designs, and produces art. Again, while I have a lot of systemic criticisms of capitalism, this isn't necessarily one, because I say all of this more because it has explanatory power for modelling the process based on what you two discussed.

[@Argonaut1ka]

I do think in the discussion about new/interesting super hero movies some time could have been spent on NON comic super heroes. Something like Chronicle, which I would say is excellent, or even something like Hancock, which is not as great. How these big Marvel/DC events can inspire other writers or filmmakers to make movies that have something to say about that, but that are outside comic books, but still use super heroes.

[@JFWacK]

I think mostly agree with you. The task of creating a Cinematic Universe is something Feige has done like no one else but now, maybe is the time to even go further and create a Cinematic Multiverse. If like in the comics they stablish the existence of a multiverse, all interconnected somehow they could have many excuses to create risking movies, with special styles, killing characters and use those movies to introduce new characters that have a different fate in the main universe.

[@shaimach]

I wonder how this conversation would change after seeing Endgame. Stark, Rogers, and Romanov dead, etc.

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

If you think of it like a tv series, you get a tv show where every episode attempts to be either a mid season finale or a season finale with the season premier stuffed into them.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

Would it just be absolutely fucking incredible if all of the news about Marvel’s future movies are a red-herring and everyone who died in Infinity War is gonna stay dead? Wouldn’t that just be the coolest thing to ever happen in Hollywood?

[@vladmomot5058]

Also the most expensive one to ever happen in Hollywood as well! Tugging Jake Gyllenhaal in dat Mysterio costume alone, man

[@TWELVE-ax7]

"'The stakes have never been higher'" ...welcome to Shonen Anime.

[@Oldnoname]

This is exactly how I see the MCU and thats okay.

[@film79]

That yellow bar on site of your videos for some reason always makes me initially think I'm looking at an ad.

[@sifatshams1113]

Starting the video now. Really really really hope they discuss the Eastrail 177 trilogy that 99.9% of the universe seems determined to completely ignore. Fingers crossed.

[@BatWeaselSeries]

That is prime subject material for Patrick!

[@hendohbendoh5338]

DOUBLE UPLOAD!!!!!!!!!!

[@iansmart4158]

Hell yeah. BLANK CHECK WITH GRIFFIN AND DAVID!!!!

[@shotdoctor5869]

Would like to see a follow up on this conversation.

[@MrJonnyPepper]

It's weird how much they agree with eachother

[@ivoryyapper]

45 minutes in and just noticing their socks matching their hats. Now that's swag.

[@cboehm24]

Here's the difference between Ang Lee's version of the Hulk and Feige's: Ang Lee doesn't really care about the Hulk beyond his movie. Nolan didn't care about Batman, either. Neither did Aronofsky. By the way, neither did David Benioff care about Deadpool, Pitof care about Catwoman or Albert Pyun care about Captain America. You absolutely need to have a version of Feige present to make sure things don't go that far off the rails, but that individual needs to allow for creators to have a voice. Comics have been doing this for many years. Editors' jobs are to function as guardians for the core concepts of the characters, and good comic book editors gave SOME leeway for creators to have a voice and yet still have respect for what the characters represent. I think about words that Denny O'Neill said--"Can you make a story out of it...that's what I always ask."

[@MrTooner101]

With Marvel just announcing their slates for Phase 5/6 and dates for Phase 7, this conversation is still very much relevant to this day.

[@danielrubinstein1621]

The worlds of Patrick (H) Willems and Blank Check coming together? This is my Avengers.

[@janfranszuidema8512]

Griffin Newman looks the way I figured... Great Podcast (you should've done 'Spetters' by Paul Verhoeven). Looking forward to 'the 'Look of' David & Ben.

[@LordMichaelRahl]

They should bring in Legion to Disney+ with Dan Stevens. Also, they're not recasting anybody in the next 20 years, that's preposterous.

[@XhungryandhauntedX]

I just want to quickly say that this channel has surpassed Redlettermedia as the most entertaining, fun and, most importantly, interesting channel regarding film on KZbin. Thank you for your content!

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

Phil Detach - Blasphemy

[@TMJW]

That anyone ever even considered RLM was even near the same level as this channel? I know, right...

[@kevinandrewsphoto]

The Mad Jay Woman - insanity. RLM is an institution. Which channel do you think began the trend of hour long film essays? Red Letter Media released a 70 minute phantom menace review before KZbin even allowed videos over 10 minutes.

[@michaelloughlin8592]

nahhhh

[@LeschekOfLechia]

No

[@joshkatz0186]

I dig Patrick's superhero costume: Pretentious Brooklyn Hipster

[@weirdy8]

40:00 how Spider-Man killed Hulk

[@danethrun3057]

I know that you do primarily movies but would you be up for doing a video essay on Mad Men?

[@danielwoodhouse8475]

Were any conclusions reached? My ADhD won't let me sit for 75 minuten one conversation. Unless it's Before Sunrise.

[@piemanpie2424]

Daniel Woodhouse oh, you don’t listen to Blank Check, do you? Also, Before Midnight is great too

[@sudevsen]

Post-Snyder DC is going the right direction while Marvel seems to controlled and continuity minded to do anything really interesting.

[@PauLtus_B]

@@piemanpie2424 Before Sunset is the best.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

@@sudevsen honestly curious if you still hold this a year later, presumably after seeing Endgame, Joker etc.? I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but the conversation seems a bit messier now.

[@sjorshoeijmans5442]

Griffin is the best person on this planet

[@ilitardo160]

Surprisingly good convo

[@TMJW]

Griffin is a delight as always, but the canine cameo keeps catching my attention - whose little IG is that?

[@ckannan90]

Fascinating how Griffin was both wrong and right about Endgame. He says they won’t tie anything off because the ongoing threads are what feed the machine. And well, they did tie it off. Many main characters did get sunset. But also, he was right. Post Endgame, the enthusiasm for the MCU fell off a cliff.

[@takineko]

I feel the same way about Paperwork, Griffin, you're not alone.

[@DoNotWorryPodcast]

Does anyone know what Patrick's Nikes are called?

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Infinity war left me with a feeling I never thought A Marvel film could cause me to feel. I don’t know what to call it but I felt the same way at the end of episode 9 season 1 of Game of Thrones. I knew Ned Stark was dead but I know all the vanished hero’s are not yet I still felt the same. Kudos to Marvel for taking a chance

[@cecilhester]

I would love to see Neil Gaiman's The Sandman as a movie or perhaps a series.

[@richardchampagne4395]

This guy is so god-damned articulate. Fuck.

[@jamesdunne2757]

This video is amazing I could watch hours more of this. Good job. It's great shit

[@jarontaliman1]

I've said to my friends the Mc-MCU, everything feels superficial with the long slate of movies announced and basically zero long term consequences and humor to break every scene with some seriousness

[@wac411]

What they are going to do is show Galactus in the end credits of one of the new movies and they will have us all over again

[@memmustafa18]

Can Griffin make a cameo in every video plz?

[@sliceofheaven3026]

For me the question is can they continue the success of Marvel based superhero movies after Avengers since they are going to introduce heroes that might not be as well known as the heroes who were in the previous MCU movies. For example I know Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow, Iron Man but cant say I have read any comics after that time period.

[@wildfilms365]

I can't wait to see a video on Endgame. It felt like an ending. There was no post credit scene.

[@jamestargaryen9588]

Yaaaay, Griffin!!

[@CastlesComments]

So if marvel is a big mac is venom..... street meat?

[@derekskelton4187]

Road kill for sure

[@dandycowboyandy]

What shoes are you wearing?

[@jakeb6703]

looks like nike blazer lows

[@cj8nes]

Nike Killshot 2

[@dandycowboyandy]

@@cj8nes thank you very much

[@ShellsGhost1]

I think a LovexDeathxRobots scenario would be great for Disney+. Make like 30-40 shorts a year for all sorts of scenarios of every genre for even the smallest character would help find talent and flesh out the universe. Mix in animation and let Disney prototype everything in their attempt to usurp Netflix. Include the short film thing the Aliens franchise is doing now and those more experimental films are will have more cover because they would be "fan films" that have been gotten a serialized limited run with a low budget on Disney+.

[@butterflyfilms939]

Kinda the thing Valve did with fanmods, making Portal mods Portal 2 and making CS out of the mod for HL2, I love it when companies not only listen to the fans but look at what they do and promote it or make it official.

[@dantan1249]

I think they will introduce the fantastic 4 and play out their villains and saga. Then I think they will reboot with the X-men. Then they’ll recast Ironman and cap as more side characters . That way the X-men have their universe but you still have all the characters.

[@kriskenard]

This is sports talk for ya boi

[@MangoNapalm]

I was hoping there'd be a Vin Diesel plug or hash tag somewhere in this.... =D

[@moondog548]

This is an awesome discussion. Very relevant to film. Very relevant to pop culture. Relevant to the MCU! But you also are kinda stretching your model just a bit far to fit the real-world MCU a little bit and selling them short. As you guys note, Black Panther is a pretty monolithic exception to everything you're doomsaying. But I can see how exceptions prove the rule.

[@josuem7398]

TDK trilogy was the only time I felt like I was satisfied with Batman finally saying goodbye.

[@SPRidley]

McDonalds in Spain is actually much better than in any other place ive been in McDonalds from Europe and America. So not counting Asia, Africa or Oceania, (as I havent visit, but I really want to) I would say flavours and quality do change from country to country. For example Big Macs in the USA are trash, Spain has the best ones, and after that i would say Italy.

[@williammiller3052]

Patrick liked Thor 2 over Iron Man 2?!?!??! Taste is relative, and there's a whole convo about objectivity vs subjectivity to unpack here, but I would have bet the farm that Thor 2 would have been the bottom of the barrel for almost every nerd out there.

[@agrippa.the.cosmonaut-wiz]

Couldn't you have put this in podcast form?

[@JonathanJK]

prince_of_gypsies nothing stopping you downloading this video, striping out the audio and side loading it into a podcast app yourself.

[@jacko7755]

Dat runtime tho 👀

[@ronnierockit4468]

RDJ is Otto Von Doom now

[@whoiamforever]

is the background real?

[@BatWeaselSeries]

Yeah, I see a dog moving around back there. Unless it's a CGI dog! WOAH! MIND BLOWN!

[@asimfarrukh9465]

My wish is that they bring back Sam Raimi for one of the spiderman movies His movies had a core that was earned unlike the others I think he could bring something great to the mcu

[@sainstranger]

I want a Warhammer 40k movie or series.)

[@Spyweb88]

Is that a bottle of lotion what flavor

[@RoseEyed]

People ACTUALLY looking forward to where the DCEU may be headed... That's not something I thought I'd hear...

[@bendu8282]

COME NOW ARTHUR WE NEED TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!

[@pedmonds2011]

This video makes you feel like MCU.

[@stacymitchell1890]

1:12:16

[@bradleyklaus]

49:43 lol

[@Wayzor_]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Supoerhero movies are the NASCAR of cinema.

[@PalimpsestProd]

All I want for Christmas is no more Star Wars, no more xenomorphs, no more Matrix, no more remakes, no more kaiju and robots. If we're lucky there is no future for superhero movies.

[@Vigilante9033]

Man. What a bummer. Lol. I don’t begrudge anyone from feeling burnout or for feeling that any one Marvel Movie isn’t likely to be a cinematic masterpiece but to use their analogy: I’m glad I’m able to just enjoy a fuckin Big Mac as a Big Mac without getting existential about it.

[@JonathanJK]

Vigilante9033 when you have standards, you don't opt for the big Mac.

[@matthewmusolino6301]

Please do a video on superman returns

[@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276]

Please Time Stamp the stuff that wasn't in the previous video posted.

[@sudevsen]

Greetings fellow Blankies

[@Mynameisnotcollin]

Blank it.

[@rodrigoarriaza2970]

Blank it

[@Mynameisnotcollin]

Rodrigo Arriaza Thank it!

[@Enriquetuy]

I am alone in this I know. Spiderman 2 is awful, I don't get why so many think it is the best. It keeps being mentioned as this great achievement. I remember going to see it at the theater and disliking it as I watched it. The writing is dumb.

[@turtleanton6539]

Cool

[@MrGMovieReviews]

when is a rainy day in new york coming out?

[@malestorm234]

I don't get this whole long form story telling vs. short form . One off story telling and drawn out story arches are equally valid and worth while when done well. Some people enjoy constant change and others enjoy things that are structured and well known. It's important to proved both types of film story telling. The challenge is that in terms of financial return, the multiple film long form story telling tends to generate the most box office.

[@PauLtus_B]

I'm pretty sure serializing a story is generally more motivated by financial reasons rather than artistic reasons.

[@malestorm234]

@@PauLtus_B I agree that financial gain does come into play when these decisions are made, but financial gain always comes into play, this is the movie business. But there are story-lines that for artistic reasons and common sense requires a series format. Lord of the Rings was one huge novel, financially it made sense to cute it up, but most readers would have hesitated reading a novel that size. I'm simply arguing that both styles have merit it's the craft that determines success, look at the start of the DCEU.

[@PauLtus_B]

@@malestorm234 My main reason is that you'd make a series of things so you can sell multiple things, rather than specifically making something that you think most people would enjoy. Like, getting someone excited over the next thing is the biggest goal here, not giving the consumer a good time.

[@malestorm234]

@@PauLtus_B I'd argue that the only way to get the audience excited over the next thing is to give them a good time. There are too many examples of failed movie series that proves that just making a series does not guarantee financial success. It more often does the opposite. p.s. I completely agree that studios look to produce successful film series because they can be above all very financially successful. I'm just making the point that sometimes the quality of the films and story arc also demands a series format.

[@PauLtus_B]

@@malestorm234 I don't fully agree. It needs to be entertaining ENOUGH, surely. But specifically teases and cliffhangers or simply needing to keep up/FOMO can be a reason to watch something. I'd also like to say that our addiction and enjoyment really don't have to go together.