Grime History Lesson

Jon E Cash aka King of Sub-low, breaks down how he changed the whole sound of underground music, whilst claiming he was the first ever Grime Producer.
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[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

Jon E Cash is a certified legend and pioneer!! He speaks facts about the EL-B beats and bass being a massive influence. You have to big up DJ Wesley Jay man was also dropping "Know We" in the big Garage raves, in 2000. Also Nicky Blackmarket such a good man he helped a lot of people.

[@JakeLDS]

This is a serious history lesson, best one yet. I wanna hear what Charmzy has to say next about how he started making such dark tunes in 98.

[@EARART]

Raid was inspired by So solid Dilema

[@jonesublowcash]

Watch out for the full documentary in the making

[@skeennah1927]

Can’t wait

[@demandcollect]

needed bro

[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

Glad to hear that bruva. You tell your own history not the major companies and hijackers and bandwagonists. Respect!!

[@SublowGrim]

#SUBLOW

[@frankeewizz4826]

I remember buying ‘international’ on vinyl from Revolution Records in Uxbridge 🔥 🔊

[@darotm7628]

Jon e cash came prepared with plenty to talk about, best episode yet

[@skeennah1927]

What an interview, energy energy!, heard so many of Cash's songs back in the day, nice to see the man himself on camera, #Pioneer!

[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

I love what Jon E Cash said about the major labels diluting the scene. That's exactly what happened. Facts!! Him Doogz (Goodz) and Wiley always spoke about that happening.

[@Bushrocker]

Yeah man, trust they dilute all Underground music

[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

@@Bushrocker You know that bruva!!

[@Bennybey123]

Crazy titch over Spanish fly is one of my favourite ever pieces of grime

[@romeisfallingagain]

crazy titch over anything is all of my favourite ever pieces of grime

[@djammo8621]

Kettle bonus was 10-20 years ahead of its time I’d say. Great interview

[@adamcrafts3645]

The Blackmarket Records days, fond memories and many hours spent in that basement. Good interview

[@oggrimeuk7740]

Total OG every beat mentioned is a weapon!!! top interview big up

[@wooiiiii]

That was a very quick 50mins. Wicked interview 💥💥💥

[@skeennah1927]

I wanted hear 2 hours more myself

[@marcp3788]

So solid - dilemma (Instrumental) was the 1st grime track. Produced in 1999

[@JakeLDS]

Listen close to Melody by Mastersteps (98) and listen to Dangerous by Busta Rhymes (97). So Solid have said in interviews that they werejust trying to recreate something like Melody because it was a hard tune and Mastersteps has said he was inspired by the feel of the Busta Rhymes tune. I love that you can find these little pathways of cilture through sound. God knows how many producers were inspired by Dilemma.

[@marcp3788]

@@JakeLDS lol i just commented about melody on the post below

[@marcp3788]

@@JakeLDS it had the drum patterns, but still had a house melody on it. Dilemma was stripped back jungle bass and half step beats

[@JakeLDS]

@@marcp3788 Oh yeah 100%. They're all great tunes in their own right. I just love that everything is connected somehow. Nothing brand new just appears out of nowhere. You can hear very distinctly that Melody inspired Dilemma or that Fantasy by Ludacris inspired I LUV U by Dizzee. Everything is inspired by something else which is why people find it so hard to say what the actual first Grime track is. We can all have opinions but in reality the sounds gradually turned into Grime.

[@marcp3788]

@@JakeLDS i can definitely hear the influence Busta Rhymes - Dangerous had on Melody, with the beats. If we go back even further than that, DJ Maddness KMA - Kaotic Madness (1997) was the 1st ukg track to have breakbeats on it, and he did 'Cape Fear' the same year that had that dark bass that hadn't been heard on garage before, other than the 187 Lockdown dread bass style tracks. Also Timbaland's beats had a big influence on garage producers around that time, it is interesting how these genres are born

[@DJBUTCHKASSIDY]

solid interview salute jon e cash nice history lesson

[@elzada9874]

they need to put some respec on west londons contribution to grime

[@okdigital151]

Big up Jon E Cash - If you reading this hi from Oli da dub cutter (Planet Phat, Liquid Mastering), long time no see bro.

[@scarlettmissredblack1381]

You are a legend in yourself! You must have cut so many dubs for djs in the scene

[@okdigital151]

@@scarlettmissredblack1381 he's an absolute gentleman 👏 loved working with him. His dubs duppied the dance 💃

[@ANineOne]

Loving this interview. Lot of legends dropped in this interview that I didn't know. Charmzy is a legend. Oris Jay too, from Sheffield not Manchester, and several others. Big interview.

[@skeennah1927]

ORIS is Cold!!!

[@ANineOne]

@@skeennah1927he needs more recognition, but he's lowkey. Pivotal in grime and one of dubstep's forefathers. As We Enta, Underground (Oris Jay Remix), Maximum Rspek, Structive... nuff tunes

[@skeennah1927]

@@ANineOne and was also killing the UK Deep Tech house scene as well

[@ANineOne]

@@skeennah1927I missed that period of his still, but I don't doubt it. T. Williams, Hard Cash, large up Cash for letting us know about that one. Never heard house like that. Black Ops are solid.

[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

@@skeennah1927 Yeah man also known as Darqwan!! His tune "Bigging Up the massive" was a game changer on the Garage circuit and he brought that dark industrial sound.

[@lucasskinner3805]

hahaha always liked this fella old school guy

[@Bobbibouchersmumwasright]

As soon as he mentioned Collers and Grays inn I knew it was worth listening to 🙌🏾

[@jambo5433]

Jon and the black ops gang dominated the scene. There level of production was the highest in the scene for sure. Black ops, alias , j sweet. In fact argue needs to get j sweet on one of these for sure

[@muzzyhole]

Them names you’ve dropped In the reply,yeh respect 👊🏻

[@moket123]

This could easily have been another hour longer

[@Oblig]

legend

[@mattallthat]

dark garage was the best garage. life is what you make it, 99, etc, anytime remix, us alliance, etc.. proper dark garage.

[@KnuxDeluxe]

25:05 Love this too much

[@soulinside8171]

Bunny bread was the dj in power lords and a serious graffiti artist as well

[@fabstarschroeter4489]

same voice box as sloth

[@NM-yg7kj]

Cameo had a copy of thugged out, he played it for me in uptown and offered him dough for it but he said nah

[@EscoSar]

HAYWIREEEEE WAS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Jon E, Jon E Cash........ Some Serious Dark Dubs Mans used to Create. Got nuff Black Opps White Labels from Jon E Cash

[@TirbeniSteve]

Jon E Cash Bossman himself!

[@GetDarker]

Great interview. Thugged Out is still too much. Large up Argue.

[@ModestJames]

🏆🏆🏆

[@jaye-ri6ko]

🔥🔥🔥

[@soulinside8171]

Big interview foundations

[@Ukboss1]

Miami bass music hes talking about

[@loonzuk]

No mention of so solid

[@marcp3788]

Plenty of mentions in the comments

[@mrmustard1633]

Visionary, spent his whole life a decade ahead of everyone else

[@phobsdsr4326]

Jon E Cash is the real deal. Black Ops pre-millennium. Westsiders know what’s what.

[@Dan_wiles]

I'm intruiged about that hard cash track he's talking about lol

[@darotm7628]

Same here, I looked it up but can’t find it

[@thebrokenhomes]

Hard Cash by T Williams

[@GC_London]

It’s debatable the first ‘grime’ tune. Zed bias-standard hoodlum issue, if that released today, it would be classed as grime. That was released in early 99.

[@marcp3788]

That sounds nothing like grime, more house. So solid - dilemma (Instrumental) was the 1st grime track

[@djnickytlondon]

@@marcp3788 I agree Dilemma was the 1st grimey record, was being played out in ‘99. There was no other record like it when it came out with the half step beat programming

[@marcp3788]

@@djnickytlondon masterstepz - melody came out in 1998, and it had the grimey drum patterns

[@djnickytlondon]

@@marcp3788 but it still had the garage vibe with the chords and the MC chants. Dilemma was so different when it came out, even the bass, nothing like it. People didn’t know how to dance to it when it first came on in the raves…lol

[@marcp3788]

@@djnickytlondon melody still had that house riff through it, but the drum patterns were definitely proto grime, I'd say dilemma was the blueprint for grime, and melody set the foundation

[@AtroxBeats]

👍

[@londonboy708]

This argue is a donut!! Should of got someone from the era of grime! this yout was a baby when tunes were getting reloads in sidewinder and and Eskimo dance

[@solidchaosTV]

Haywire was the turning point.

[@Nainocard]

People with their very low knowledge of what Grime is, love to leave comments like "Dilemma by So Solid is the first Grime tune" smh. They totally skip the Dark Garage era of UKG which Jon E Cash, DeeKline, Oxide, Jammer, Wookie and many others pioneered. Dark Garage had sub-genres, which are Sublow, 8-Bar, Breakstep and Eskibeat; all before Grime and Dubstep. Edit: Oh and FYI, Neutrino made Dilemma. Not any members of So Solid Crew.

[@selecter8332]

Eskimo is the first grime tune, before that everything sounded like something you already heard. Eskibeat is grime not a sub genre of garage just what wiley wanted to call grime.

[@marcp3788]

Very low knowledge of grime? Lol I'm an MC who has hosted sets for DJ Lombardo and I've also MC with MC Rumpus, I've been into garage since 1996. I'm also the creator of the send4me DVB mixcloud archive page, I know a lot about garage and grime, and Dilemma was the first grime sounding track, and that's not just my opinion old boy, a lot of people agree

[@marcp3788]

Dark garage isn't grime, we are talking about the first proper grime sounding track, there are 100s of dark garage tracks from 1996 - that started the evolution of grime from dark garage

[@moket123]

@@marcp3788 first tune that was something that didn't just sound like dark garage

[@moket123]

@@marcp3788 although apparently DJ Virus - Rude Sting was made in 1998 and that sounds pretty grimey

[@SublowGrim]

Sublow Music

[@RexDaBoss11]

Absolute pioneer of grime but He's comes across as very bitter especially when arguably his best track Hoods up was basically stolen from Geeneus of Pay As You Go! There very first and mainly unknown track Be Real is the proof of that. If you know then you know 👊🏽

[@123brizy]

Bro sounds like charlie sloth

[@rmdglobal6268]

the music he referring to in the mid nineties in Miami is called Miami Bass. 🔊🔊🔊

[@4ourPillars]

Jon E Cash.. This guy was certi from early. 🔥🔥🔥

[@mufcmusic8514]

Jon E Cash - Legend. Pioneer. Rip Charlie Brown n Jason Kaye.

[@thedeeprot]

👍👍👍

[@02PAYNEJ]

Yes yes Black-Ops! Legendary and underrated producer.

[@hhamk3656]

I remember when Jon E Cash said this somewhere else about how people thought he was from East because his productions were getting spun on pirate radio

[@darotm7628]

Haywire is such a tune

[@sw6xldn]

Certified originator in dis ting from early. Big up Jon E Cash! Argue ya sick for dis one 💫😎

[@shadezondabeat]

Big Up Jon E Cash, Legend in the game!!!! 💯

[@asimov1979]

when he said battered this dubplate i burst out laughing haha

[@romeisfallingagain]

any plans for napper and shizzle?

[@willzang3000]

My man said EPMD !! Blessed

[@Digzeee]

Spanish fly was the 1 for me..

[@stuhector3511]

Big up my man Jon E Cash 👊🏽

[@danieljeffers4218]

Legend in the game all the spitters know his riddims

[@TakeMeBackPirateRadio]

@@danieljeffers4218 True!! And selectors too.

[@joejinnymarks8189]

This guys tunes were the best

[@randomimpulser]

The amount of history and tunes to go listen to in this is wild, he makes the stories feel tangible.

[@killtheZOG]

Jon E Cash definitely started grime