Griot Institute, February 6, 2013 - Tim Carter

[@tracimvs6840]

Tim, you are an outstanding human! You are articulate, passionate, and loyal. My heart goes out to you and your family. May you be reunited with your loved ones one day. love and peace!

[@mattz6470]

Said no one ever. The guy is a POS and Fraud.

[@randiricci5620]

long live Jackie Speier,Tracy Oarks and other survivors of the Jonestown massacre

[@maryyoung777]

Getting Mike Prokes out was key. He was not only a reporter he was previously working for the FBI.

[@shable1436]

Yes but Mike killed himself so unless you're into mkultra then there's no secret unless someone was hiding in the bathroom to kill Mike. The whole thing is a Machiavelli experiment

[@fotoservisas501]

everyone is humans no matter what mistakes they did or not did... i still have respect to all survivors no matter how they are... peace and love to everyone

[@wattage2007]

I've seen Leslie Wagner-Wilson's terrifying story of escape from Jonestown the night before. Totally courageous, a bunch of family members slid out of the compound by night thinking they would be killed at any moment, then became hopelessly lost in the dense jungle. I have nothing but admiration for her and her family. Carter has a FAR darker role in what went down that day though and I have nothing but contempt for him.

[@rodiaszymczak6367]

@@wattage2007They didn’t escape the night before, but around 9am the very same day the massacre took place! Which makes Leslie Wagner ( and the rest) even braver ❤

[@dougwint]

Don't trust him.

[@John-dj5rf]

I was 8 years old when jonestown happened I'll never call it a suicide those people were murdered

[@wattage2007]

It's my opinion that a good few of them were done in by Tim Carter himself.

[@John-dj5rf]

@@wattage2007 when he told the story of his wife and son I truly believe he gave them the poison

[@John-dj5rf]

@@wattage2007 look up the Mk ultra and the peoples temple

[@iainlee4274]

Thank god for the tapes of Jones speaking in which Carter was present, otherwise we might have some sympathy for this guy and the others.

[@wattage2007]

Not to mention the video on the final day where Carter is at Jones' side constantly. A camp of 1000 people and 'ordinary' Tim Carter just so happens to be where Jones is at all times. I think he was reportedly the one who thwarted the 'knife attack' on the Congressman too, which I recall was described by witnesses as looking overly theatrical.

[@amandadavis4446]

He's also on video escorting Leo Ryan to the truck after the attack... Also in the back ground when the parks family was speaking to Jones... Ijs...

[@wattage2007]

@@amandadavis4446 And he denies ever being in the inner circle, although his partner admits he was on the “planning commission,” or in other words, the inner circle.

[@jrad410]

@@wattage2007Leslie wagner has implied suspicion. Idk if we’ll ever get the whole story with Carter

[@wattage2007]

@@jrad410 I’d love to hear what Wagner has to say. She strikes me as a pretty honest, perceptive and brave woman.

[@hodgepodgecali2605]

Something doesn't add up. Tim Carter, a Vietnam vet, leaves Jonestown with guns, all the money, and jewelry of murdered people, but says he didn't help kill people and says he couldn't stop it but was told to leave and skip the mass suicide, with all the money and jewelry of murdered people to give to a Soviet Embassy in Guyana? I doubt Jim Jones killed over 900 people alone. In fact, Jim Jones was shot in the head and they still don't know if it was murder or suicide or who shot him.

[@Toracube]

In a tape I heard they are saying goodbye to a danish filmmaker who visits, and, think it Jones wife says she hopes he comes again. I wonder if he shot any footage?

[@nicksoley]

The hate Tim Carter gets is so weird.

[@wattage2007]

Look into the differing timings he's given of his movements, the fact he was armed but unable to save his wife and child, the ever-changing circumstances he describes which are contradicted by his brother and Mike Prokes, his situation as a close member of the inner circle pictured loyally at Jones' side frequently in the final hours (but his insistence that he was just an ordinary temple member), the fishy Russian embassy escape mission story, his familiarity with grisly combat in Vietnam, his total lack of grief in the following days after the Jonestown massacre. Far from being a poor victim, I think we're looking at one of the ones doing the poisoning and very possibly the one who shot Jones dead at the end of the massacre.

[@leighjoelfierman3705]

Carter was pretty vigilant in service to Jim Jones. Most accounts of Carter's association with Jones are not flattering in terms of him being such a nice guy.

[@eugenesant9015]

Anyone who was there during the slaughter and survived.....was party to the slaughter. He admits that he had a gun during this time.

[@wattage2007]

@@eugenesant9015 100%.

[@cheshirexp]

Yall are ruthless in your judgement...the opposite of compassionate and understanding and embody the cold, hateful rhetoric that dehumanized the victims of this tragedy for so long. Shame on all of you. I bet none of you would have the balls to say what you've said here to this man's face or any other survivors face if you met them in real life. You're all just reveling in the anonymity the internet gives you to you tear down a man who is suffering and trying to bring awareness and clarity to a tragedy that has been misrepresented by the media for decades. It's easy to say that you wouldn't have done what he did in his shoes when the most hardship you've known is stepping in shit on your way to work. The saddest part though, is that The real reason you all nit pick and attack this man's actions without any sort of critical thinking is that it makes you feel good about yourselves, simple as that. It feels good to tear someone down and project how smart and strong you think you'd be in that situation, when really the majority of you woukd have provably ended up dead there like the others after going through what they went through. Brainwashing, conditioning, sleep deprivation...none of it is a joke. It can happen to anyone. And believing it can't happen to you is how you end up in a situation like jonestown.

[@BrianSmith-yq7ys]

This helps resolve allot of questions i had about bob Houston's death

[@sannakarppinen4163]

You all forget that this happened in the 70s . the world was different back then and this kind of tragedy and crime has never happenend before this so even the justice system did not knew how to deal with this. but if this kind of crime would happen today i think that then things would be totally different , but back then no one could not comprehend that this kind of criminal tragedy could ever happen .

[@wattage2007]

Well there was Charles Manson ten years earlier. The danger of cult membership was very well known by 1978 but then (like now) there was no shortage of gullible people.

[@TheFilipinaWifeLife]

His story is so painful

[@wattage2007]

His lies you mean?

[@caseystrange]

You people in the comments are being very disrespectful. And I would get very upset if I were to see Mr. Carter addressed like this in person. If you've got questions, there are ways you can articulate that, but outright accusations is just disrespectful and dismissive of the trauma that he witnessed.

[@TimoteoDeBaum]

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The truth isn’t about respect 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@wattage2007]

Look into his story of how he 'escaped.' This guy was right in the action from the very beginning, had a weapon but somehow his wife and son were poisoned while he was away "trying to find out what was going on" (interesting he doesn't want to go into any of that here). Before you stick up for someone, look into the background of the person you're defending.

[@amandadavis4446]

And mind you this man was in San Fran a week before the murders trying to get info and then flew back to Guyana... The truth hurts... Yes he lost loved ones but he damn sure had a hand in a lot more than what he tells...

[@wattage2007]

@@amandadavis4446 He was reportedly trying to infiltrate the concerned relatives group wasn’t he?

[@sannakarppinen4163]

​@@amandadavis4446 have you been brainwashed before? Do you have any experience of being brainwashed? Kf you do not then how the hell you can judge someone? Iwas brainwashed and i know how it felt and breaking the brainwashing is very Hard thing to do. My twinbrothers godfather brainwashed me and groomed me so that he was able to molest me from toddler to the age 12 and i thought that it was normal act of affection, but when i learned the truth my life went to hell. You think that brainwashing is just some urban story , but there is so much evidence that brainwashing is possible.

[@johnerickson4064]

I'm convinced he knows way more than he leads on to believe but I also think he's a genuinely good guy and feels terrible about the whole situation. I wish he would just tell the entire story of that day... Jones told him to "take care of his son" before he goes... did he give his baby the poison? We may never know

[@rampageclover9788]

damn right he does, he knew exactly what was going on....he had every opportunity get the hell out of there with his family but was too much of a pussy to stand up to Jones...his inaction was as much of a contributing factor to the lives that were lost including a US senator. I don't know how he can look at himself in the mirror....oh did I mention he let his wife and son get poisoned?

[@susanhicks9305]

At this late date just what should he know. For God's sake when wil you think the man has suffered enough. He lost his wife son sister niece and other family...just what?

[@neilcooper9508]

So he watched is son,and wife being murderd I mean he says it was murder not suicide

[@wattage2007]

​@@susanhicks9305 I think I'd remember if I'd poisoned my wife and son. Quite telling Tim doesn't want to go into that part at all here. He's already contradicted himself many times over the years when trying to explain how hapless and innocent he is. Wandered off for a few minutes to "find out what was gong on", comes back and would-you-believe-it, someone's only gone and poisoned his wife and son. His story absolutely stinks, every single part of it.

[@susanhicks9305]

@@wattage2007 wow such confusion and absolute terror cannot be understood unless it is your plight- it is not for me to judge .

[@adrn205]

Speaking is not this man's calling. While I understand the premise of what he is trying to say, he fails to acknowledge the hatfulness of their community. People were eager to turn on one another. There were beatings and humiliation, pretty early on. Definitely by the time he joined the group. He claims he wasn't part if the inner circle, but his sister was married ti Jones son. He downplays his role durasticly, and it only makes him look more guilty. If he would just acknowledge his role, like Stephen does, he would seem more sincere. He seems too defensive, given his role.

[@francispereira6592]

Why was Tim In the states? To infiltrate the concerned relatives.

[@caseystrange]

That is called survivor's guilt. Something not many people know about. And not many can live with.

[@iainlee4274]

@@caseystrange Survivors guilt would be the opposite in that you would take full responsibility for what you had done.

[@wattage2007]

@@caseystrange I think it's called lying.

[@leighjoelfierman3705]

He says he wasn't part of the inner circle. I always carry a suitcase with 7 million dollars in it while the largest mass murder of American Citizens prior to 9/11 was going on...yeah, no.

[@mightymojnir]

Only God truly knows, but I don’t trust all that he says. Jim trusted him a lot, if not, why would he ask him to take the money back for the Soviet Union embassy? He was very close to the top and I don’t think he wants to admit all that he did for Jim. I feel sorry that he lost his family, but was he a good person out there or just willing to do anything to survive? I don’t know. Truly sad story.

[@rampageclover9788]

He knew what was gonna go down well advance and did absolutely nothing include leave his own family to die...despicable

[@chrisnnooirhjightytbrown9689]

I agree! No way he didn't know ahead of time because he was a Jones Henchmen. HE'S A LIAR! 😡

[@SBGNatureandCoffeeChannel]

Yes. That dude could never be trusted at all.

[@neilcooper9508]

I ain't to sure if I wood hav trusted eny 1 of them tbh

[@rogerburch69]

You weren't there. You have no right to judge this man. What would you have done that would have gotten you killed? He did what he had to do to survive

[@neilcooper9508]

I'd read my mess again never even mentioned carter's name

[@dalechambers5234]

thanks Tim for all the fluff..now tell the real story. Dudes shady AF

[@wattage2007]

Agree 100%

[@mightymojnir]

I can’t place blame, I wasn’t there, but after really studying all of the material and watching all of the Docs, he just seems to be hiding some if the story. I believe he was close to Jim and doesn’t want to admit how close. Why did Jim ask him to take the suitcases filled with money back if he didn’t trust him to do so? Just some odd things but only God knows.

[@nancymathews521]

Your comments are disgusting! Everyone at Jonestown was a victim except Jim Jones. It is immensely difficult to be a survivor and you need to have respect for that. These people were not stupid, evil or gullible, they were sold a bill of goods by an evil murderer. Believe me, there is a cult out there for everyone and it’s just a matter of whether each person crosses paths with theirs. There are thousands of cults still operating today and they look for intelligent, caring, affluent and honest people. This man is a hero for carrying on after his family was murdered and he deserves our respect.

[@MicroMark-cp5ui]

he d be better to shut up and go on with life and the quilt.

[@maryyoung777]

Deceiving the defectors should be addressed. To find out where Bonnie Thielmann was for what reason? So she could be killed?

[@neilcooper9508]

Wasent her name called out over p a on the day 18 Nov 78

[@maryyoung777]

@@neilcooper9508 No that was Bonnie Simon. Her husband was leaving with the kids. They’re all dead now.

[@neilcooper9508]

O you are dead wright bonny Simon thanks for correcting me

[@AlexandraBolz]

I have mixed emotions about him. I don’t think he killed his wife or kid because I could tell in some interviews he has a hard time talking about it emotionally, but a few of his other stories that had nothing to do with the deaths of everyone don’t add up, like the day after the murders.

[@ReactionCravers]

He has a hard time talking about it because he did it. His stories don’t add up because he is lying. The bag of money was heavier than his child, but he carried that out of jonestown instead? It’s truly so sad what happened because most of them where brainwashed, but the survivors from jonestown (not the airstrip or the people who left before), where literally only Jim’s friends

[@rca6576]

@@ReactionCravers His child was already dead before he even left, his wife was dying. How cruel of you to make such. nasty assumptions.

[@neilcooper9508]

Who murderd the kids

[@BrianSmith-yq7ys]

The most specific answer is Jim Jones

[@neilcooper9508]

No it was the adults and parents of those kids

[@BrianSmith-yq7ys]

@@neilcooper9508if it wasn’t for jones or maybe if he died the day before none of that would have ever happened

[@neilcooper9508]

Good point but who was responsible for the death of those kids I'm aware of jim jones on that day but ultimately the murderers there were hachuly the adults of those kids hence wot jim jones was telling them I all so beleve it was mass suicide regarding the adults not mass murder at all ovously mental health problems

[@neilcooper9508]

Brian that's good point u make but ultimately it still doesent remove the fact that it was the adults of them kids who murdered oviosly thay most likely had mentle health problems as jones did as well it was a mass suicide it wasent mass murder at all as alot of people think

[@rodkirkbride2230]

At this point hes had what, 35 years to hone his story. I dont believe him.