DON'T Buy The 2019 Subaru Forester Without Watching This...

After making the 2019 Subaru Forester his daily driver for a whole week, Brendan found 5 things he loves and 5 things that have an opportunity to improve looking forward to 2020.
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5 Things we love:
- Quiet & Comfortable Drive
- Incredible Visibility
- Safety Features
- Spacious Interior
- All-season Versatility
5 Opportunities:
- Turbo Option
- Additional Standard Safety Features
- Towing Capacity
- Fog Lights Availability
- Off-Road Upgrades
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Host: Brendan Hancock
Production: Andrew Mueller

[@RunnerRhody]

If you want an affordable, comfortable, modern safety features, large visibility, spacious, daily and long road trip car, then the forester should be on your list. It's power is more than adequate. If you want a performance car, paying premium gas, and high maintenance then stop complaining about the forester's power and buy yourself a luxury suv with a turbocharged engine and crappy mpg.

[@mojojojo_BB]

WOW! The level of honesty from an actual dealer is refreshing!

[@salcollins2008]

Just purchased a 19 Forester base model replacing our 09 Forester base model. I noted vast improvements in comfort, ride quality, wind noise me standard safety features including back up camera, intelligent cruise, blind spot monitoring . As for the engine performance it feels much quicker than the 09 and accelerates well enough and climbs hills easily. Contrary to what everyone seems to be saying the CVT trans makes the vehicle seem livelier. My only complaint is lack of paddle shifters. As a licensed auto damage appraiser I can tell you that the Subaru's are well built and hold up in collisions quite well. For me an all wheel drive vehicle that is well built and relatively inexpensive to purchase , has many standard safety features and gets decent fuel mileage is a no brainier. I purchased for my wife due to above .

[@jeffissimo1221]

You know what safety feature I'd like to see? ALL THE BOLTS TORQUED TO SPEC. At 2,000 miles, our 2019 had to be repaired because the rear sway bar bracket bolts were not tightened and came loose while driving!

[@cw4623]

Funny that you tout the quietness and comfort since EVERY single owner review complains about it being LOUD and fairly stiff over bumps.

[@wilshirewarrior2783]

Title should be “ Buy a Subaru After Watching This”.

[@2Lloyd100]

After I have driven my 2019 Forester 16,000 miles I find that I am very pleased with its comfort and with the safety features. My car is a Limited with options added that bring it up to the Touring (other than features built in to that higher trim level). Having said these good things I find that I am tormented by apparent software problems. My infotainment system went silent 4000 miles into a 8500 mile trip, my rear gate has opened at surprising times, while other times it won't open. Gate functioning returns after I disengage the negative pole of my battery, so a wrench and a willingness to pop the hood is a regular requirement.

[@valdius85]

I absolutely agree with the "off road" trims from Subaru. There should be a whole division, or simply STI Off-Road, that does that. These changes are relatively easy to do on a factory level. Many clients would save some cash and Subaru would be able to make some cool commercials as well. :)

[@amccardle1]

In Canada EyeSight is not standard (and I'm glad that it isn't -- I've driven too many rental cars that yell at you for perceived dangers that are not actually there. If you need sensors to tell you to stay in your own lane, then you shouldn't be driving to begin with); and fog lights are standard on all but the very base model

[@46wac]

I'm very happy with my 2019 Subaru Forester Sport in white pearl color. I got it down almost $3000 from the MSRP price. Much better price and options than the Toyota rav4 Adventure.

[@jrnumex9286]

first review where someone climbed in back to address my sleeping bag /camping question!

[@Spot_the_dog]

No kidding right?

[@jonathanr9619]

For real, same!

[@kodessa]

More opportunities: * Make better rubber floor mats (Weathertech FloorLiner-esque) since it's a Subaru and it's obvious. * Bigger sidewalls for the rubber cargo tray. * Matte screen for the touchscreen because of glare. * Gradient tint for the windscreen because it's huge and the visors aren't big enough. * Eyesight recognition and timer for red lights (because jamming on the breaks sucks). * Ventilated seats. * Heated rear seats. * Dark navy colour like the other Subaru models have. * Tailgate recognition for obscatcles surrounding the opening area (Or at least an accessory for damage on the lip of the tailgate). * Nicer rear head rests. * Maybe an arm rest? Or a sliding lid center console? * Integrated settings menu in one screen (since they're all scattered through out the screens). * Heads up display (since the coloured lights on the front dash board is kind of cheap). * Less piano black trim on touch points of the car. * 360 degree camera since every car has that. * Some time out for the facial recognition system to start (Or a button to make it re-scan your face). * Auto up and down windows for all windows. And some other things...

[@pepper13111]

Buy and outback! Has all you wanted

[@kodessa]

@@pepper13111 It doesn't have tailgate recognition for obstacles surrounding the opening area and the auto close tailgate is slow; so no.

[@natewadesubaru]

@@kodessa the gate on the 2020 Outback is FAST. Not sure what you mean by tailgate recognition for obstacles?

[@kodessa]

@@natewadesubaru The 2020 Outback isn't even on sale. I'm talking about the 2019 Outback. Tailgate Recognition for obstacles - Reverse parking near to a wall. If I open the hatch; it'll smash into the wall. I want the system to recognize that there is enough room for it to open. Edit: Paragraph spacing.

[@natewadesubaru]

@@kodessa I'm just saying it's something they've greatly improved that you'll be able to get in a couple months. Instead of paying for expensive technology like "tailgate recognition", you could just give yourself like a foot of space behind your car when you're backing up. Not sure how you'd even get into the back if you were parked close enough for the gate to hit something.

[@radtrax4509]

2019 looks great and internally a big improvement compared to my 2016. The reason they need that XT back is not only about speed but towing. I tow a trailer loaded with about 1600pounds ever so often. Pop the engine into sport mode and she pulls that trailer effortless.

[@tommymas1]

The towing capacity for the XT or turbo is the same at 1500lbs. I have owned 2 Forester XT's, 2014 and 2018 XT Touring and they are both at 1500 lbs, same as the 2.5.

[@fort708]

We have a touring model and despise it. Keep in mind we are a Subaru family, been driving them for decades. This 2019 Touring model is an anxiety generating vehicle we hate driving or being in, at all. Literally, the best experience we have is when it's just sitting in the driveway. The facial recognition is an absolute nightmare that does NOT work about 75% of the time in our experience. The bane of its existence is sunlight. If there is sunlight coming through the windshield it turns itself off. Even when it is "on" it doesn't work properly, and god forbid you have sunglasses on or the alerts just won't stop... The "assist" software seems to have been designed around a crack head driving instructor. We live in a tight urban area and this thing is a rolling ALARM system from the time we get in to it until the time we get out of it. Literally, the vehicle "alarms" between 7 and 15 times per trip anywhere we go and regardless of who is driving. Please keep in mind, we are SAFE drivers nobody has any speeding tickets or wrecks. We know how to drive. The rear sensors are a complete disaster. Backing out of angled, steeper, driveways frequently triggers the rear sensors to SMASH on its brakes because I guess it think its running in to a wall or something. Most of the time when I egress from even a slightly elevated driveway I have angle out at a sharp angle to prevent the RAB system from giving everybody in the vehicle a heart attack. Why? well because the emergency braking system sounds like the front gun of an A-10 Warthog (The Air Force's tank buster). Yes I mean that literally. Also; we have a sprig of lemon grass that sometimes grows across the driveway threshold and this thing thinks its the neighbors 9 year old lying in the driveway, again ALARMS AND BELLS ALL OVER. Honestly, how can someone even remotely consider driving the piece of crap "off road" at all! The Auto Stop/Start feature is a modern design tragedy as well. Basically, you NEVER know when this thing is going to shut itself off or on or whatever. You really just have to step on the gas and pray that it does what you want. The rear gate also enjoys giving us attitude whenever it wants. Sometimes, and for no good reason the rear hatch just won't open. Instead it will beep at you twice, and ignore your commands. Which is great when you are in the grocery store parking lot with kids and handful of groceries. The only way to fix it, is to take it back to the dealership where they have to climb through the car and manually release the hatch, THEN power the entire car down by disconnecting the battery, and then it will work. Hate to keep you all day, but I am on a mission to get the word out about how this car REALLY behaves in real life, not on open empty roads. This car has software demons that Subaru must address sooner than later. At this point, we intend to move to a different car company for the first time in our lives by the end of the year if Subaru cannot come up with a more amicable driving experience. If you are planning on purchasing this vehicle we recommend keeping it overnight and really testing it out for yourself. Had we done that we most likely would have stayed in our 2015 Forester, which we loved... We just had no inclination that Subaru had gone this over the top with all these so called safety features. We think the car is actually dangerous and do NOT recommend it to anyone.

[@anitahudman5936]

We have had our new 2019 Forester Touring for 3 weeks and have not had any of the issues you described!!! It’s an awesome vehicle and we argue about who gets to drive.. Maybe you got a lemon..

[@wind7sailor]

AK: Thanks for your driving impressions. In reading the customers' reviews of the Touring trim on Edmunds.com, it appears you are not alone.

[@maubunky1]

We drive a 2018 Forester XT and we have nearly been rear-ended multiple times when the stupid car decides that the car 30 yards ahead that has already cleared the road and turned off onto the adjoining side road is somehow an imminent danger and the computer slams on the brakes for no apparent justification. Drivers behind us just are not seeing anything in front of us to anticipate such an extreme action so they are probably thinking that we are brake checking them. I feel like we have to buy a dash board camera just to prove to the police that we aren't brake checking people illegaly. I would never drive a non-turbo version and we live in flat terrain city. It's just very hair raising to try and merge onto the interstate driving the non-turbo 4 cylinder subaru engine vehicles. I would at least buy a 6 cylinder subaru. And oh by the way, when the car was new, we had it repaired under warranty five times at the dealer and ended up driving a loaner vehicle for several months worth of time, just because some bone head at the subaru engine factory forgot to drill a hole in the intake manifold where one of the evap system hoses connects to it for vacuum supply. This item wasn't in their diagnostic troubleshooting tree so it took them forever to find it and they reported the defect to Subaru and we never even got so much as an apology from the regional subaru person. Seriously doubt we will ever buy another Subaru after this experience. They are turning into a POS 4 banger.

[@fort708]

@@davidfaustino4476 I did my research smart ass. Bring your manners to comments next time.

[@MusicStudent1]

A K , wow...thanks for the review. I’m looking for a “retirement” vehicle that I can travel with and take camping and such. The Wrangler is a beauty but the crash tests turned me off. The Forester had good crash test ratings but I didn’t know about the computer issues. Would an outback be better? ...maybe I should wait for the new Bronco...

[@ehgiteb9116]

Have a 2017 Forester XT. So far I' m very happy with it. It' s very nice to have power when you need it for overtaking or just for fun. Now just 7000km on it. Really hope for a long life.

[@08elk1954]

I also got the 2018 premium model Forester. Some of these pros and cons don't matter to me, but you're right about the safety features. Go ahead and make them all standard; it's why I bought my car, and why Consumer Reports named the Forester as the best SUV for senior drivers (me). I love my Forester, but there is one thing I don't love: the placement of the center cupholder(s). I am a short female driver, about 5'2", and I have to move the driver's seat way forward, which means I have to also slide the center armrest way forward, which means the cupholder is very, very awkward to get to. I'd be willing to believe that many Forester drivers are female and possibly also short in stature - this has got to bug other short drivers! And speaking of the center armrest - as a short driver, with the seat scooted forward AND up vertically, my elbow doesn't reach the armrest without leaning way over to the right! I had to buy an armrest cushion with elastic straps on Amazon in order to have a comfortable place to rest my right arm. Subaru can certainly do better designing for short drivers. Otherwise everything is great - I love, love, love the transmission and the safety features.

[@Aliencreep369]

5.2 ? Mmm that most be nice in the bed hehe.

[@MrSleepProductionsInc]

Can you use the cupholder in the drivers door?

[@cometcal2]

"The Subaru Forester can only tow 1500 lbs - which is not a ton..." Love the pun. HaHa.

[@twospirits411]

Great review. So far this vehicle is on the top of my list to replace my current vehicle. But, from what I gathered so far, it could improve on the following areas. Add a turbo version. This will help those that tow or feel that it needs more passing power. Bring the Hybrid version to the states and Canada. The vehicle was built on the SGP with hybrid capable room. Add a wireless phone charging capability and especially have a place to place larger phones. Current cubby is too small. Add retractable cup holder tabs to accommodate different types of cups to prevent tossing. Add front ventilated seats. Add 360 degree camera view (great for parking). Add modular accents that customers can buy as options to replace the chrome accents. and/or the option of bringing a luxury sport version look as a top level trim. (Sport look with leather and touring features). Gas Struts for the hood. Whether these are introduced in the upcoming years, is anyone's guess. Regardless, I feel the Forester is the better vehicle from those within the same vehicle segment.

[@tubemember21]

Wireless charging won't mean anything to me until Android Auto goes wireless. Hopefully soon!

[@wind7sailor]

Sadly, Just asked Subaru if they would offer their 2.4 turbo as an option on the upcoming 2020 Forester, the answer back was no. I seriously doubt they will change much if anything in 2020 as their 2019 sales are trending above their 2018 sales figures. I totally agree with your list and if they added those features, we would seriously be buyers, since Toyota shrank their 2109 Rav4 and killed 1.5 inches of front legroom.

[@JoePalau]

David Vega Just bought the Forester with second from the top finishes - no leather but everything else. I am totally delighted. I traded in a 2017 Forester - same trim level. My 2017 model didn’t have Eyesight. Our 2017 Legacy did and so I was familiar with the technology. The improvements on the older model are astonishing. It’s a bit quicker, handles better, seats are more comfortable and it is quieter on the road, especially highway driving. I am very happy with my new Forester. Just one note. I drive for economy on gas. I live in a exurban area in the Northeast where getting around takes 20 mins of local roads to go anywhere. Cruise control is my best friend. Apple play entertains me as I use my iPhone apps on the road. If you want a sporty drive, a SUV with lower gas mileage and more snap on acceleration or road hugging when powering into bends in the road, you won’t be happy with this economy / comfort oriented design and engineering. This model fits me perfectly. Trips to Home Depot or for groceries or a drive in the county are a pleasure to behold while I save at the pump and go easier on my personal carbon footprint.

[@MultiCax]

I own a 2019 Touring. I love everything; however, it has a noisy acceleration that gasps for more power.

[@wind7sailor]

Asked if Subaru if they would offer their optional 2.4 turbo for 2020 Forester, the answer was no and they don't seem to care about the abrupt shuttering of their Auto Stop/Start system either.

[@MommyKhaos]

wind7sailor anything that isn't a hybrid is gonna shutter like Michael J Fox with auto start stop

[@wind7sailor]

@@MommyKhaos At the Auto show we drove a non-hybrid Toyota Highlander limited and it was like the engine slightly exhaled when it shut down and barely inhaled when it started back up, which was something I could live with and leave on. When we drove the Forester Touring, it very abruptly shuttered to a stop. Just our experience

[@184876ela]

Did you get the leather? if so,how do you like it?

[@MegaSlowe]

Boxer engines already have a tendency to blow head gaskets at about 125 to 150,000 mile mark . Putting a turbo in those will just make that happen all that much sooner. I think it was a wise decision for Subaru to nix the turbo option for that reason. I'm saying that as somebody who owns an Outback who had to replace the head gasket at about 150,000 miles. Plus, the 2.5 four cylinder is just fine.

[@anthonycarter9923]

That was a part issue mostly. Get a double layered gasket and your solid.

[@johnrcornell]

That was true of much older models of their engine, it had little to do with it being a boxer and everything to do with a flaw in the design of the gasket which has been fixed for many years.

[@mattcrumrine618]

Thanks for the video. I own a 2019 Premium with Option Package 15. It's a great ride, replacing my 2011 Outback 2.5 Limited. But, like you said, I missed out on these things that I think I wanted (and will get them next time!): First, the Konoji style boomerang DRL's. My Premium has LED low beams, and it uses the same bulbs for their DRL's, whereas the Limited and higher has the boomerang style C-lights, which have a distinct brand personality. Next, I'd like to see fog lights default like you mentioned. I do miss them on bad weather/foggy days. Next, I'd like more illumination in the cargo area. I know the Sport has the LED flood light back there, but I would like to at least have an option in other trims. It looks like they have a small indentation in the front grille - this would be a perfect spot to add a front view camera like on the Ascent Touring. And finally, I would love to see side-mirror turn signals. Again, I'd have to go Limited for this feature, but I can't even option it on my Premium. My lease is done in about 30 months - I'm hoping for a PHEV variant of the Forester going forward since I'm a city driver, but at the very least I think I'll have to consider the Limited my next time around. I love the car, it is really fun to drive!

[@MrOgre1110]

Good video, the only thing I thought was strange. The title when viewed on my phone said "don't buy the 2019 Subaru forest" I was like ok, wasn't until I clicked on it that I got the rest of the title.

[@mpetrides]

The ability to add the 2.4 L turbo engine that comes on the Ascent to a Sport model Forester would be awesome! Here in Vermont, I find the 2.5 L normally aspirated engine to be plenty peppy for both climbing and even passing on steep mountain roads as well as for merging onto the Interstate. However, a 2.4 L turbo would be that much better. I moved away from the Forester to a WRX about 10 years ago because my 2005 Forester lacked get-up-and-go and had way too much wind noise. The 2019 Forester (mine is a Sport) solves both of those issues and gives me a very pleasant, smooth ride even over frost heaves. I’m really pleased with what Subaru has done to improve the Forester.

[@bradcreber75]

Great to hear you love your new Forester Sport. I want a 2020 when I purchase next year. Everything is so much better than the previous generation. Everything about the new global platform Forester is the best Forester ever. Especially upped the game with the interior. Consumers Reports named Subaru the best company for 2019. Mainly because of the Forester and Crosstrek and the new Ascent 7 seater. Ive seen the new global platform Outback on KZbin. Wow, awesome! Beautiful interior design fit and finish. Offering turbo, 11inch infotainment screen and cooled seats on the top of the line. Real leather Nappa seating. I'd wish Eyesight was standard here in Canada. Although it's still not that expensive at $1500. Best AWD system and safety features out there arguably.

[@SuperGoodkill]

@@bradcreber75 Canada version Forester Sport provides more features than the U.S.. dual zone AC and day time LED beam are not available in the U.S........BTW the new Outback is absolutely fantastic, it will be a hot sale this year, really wish Forester will bring back the XT next year or two.

[@SuperGoodkill]

The wind noise of new SGP platform is much lower than last gen, and the CVT actually performs not bad at all, at least better than Nissan Rouge, it will be awesome if Subaru brings back the XT Forester next year!

[@craigkosarko5042]

I'm retired, but do dlr trades for two Subaru dlrs in my area. I love all the SUV models and the Legacy for regular useage. Not fond of the Imprezda. Gets great hwy mileage, but doesn't feel well built. ALL Subaru models need more power pretty much. WRX types excluded. Keep the mileage up over 30 for hwy. Don't feel the cvt is a problem. Works well for the cars I've driven.

[@clydetriplett8463]

I was the number Two dealer in the world for Subaru’s. Best car for the money bar none So nice a gift to the auto world

[@pgerry9400]

I have owned over 100 vehicles and many motorcycles and presently own a 2009 Subaru Forester that I bought new. Incredible 4wd system , roominess , fun to drive on and on . If I can ever wear out my 2009 , I will buy another Subaru Forester.

[@wlh227]

The CVT is the reason the towing capacity is 1500 pounds. In 2017 I was looking a 2017 Forester and when I questioned the 1500 ppund towing limitation and if anything could be down to raise that to 2500 pounds I was told by the dealer in Allentown, PA that the limitation is in fact a limitation on the ability of the transmission and not the frame or suspension.

[@frankmiller99]

towing 1500 pounds? in Europe Subaru advertises with 2000 kilo ! towing cap. and the engine is a 2 liter with CVT. I wish Subaru gives an explanation

[@spol1622]

Because in Europe you get stick and we only get CVT.

[@mattwilliams3104]

I’d be very surprised if they didn’t bring the XT back. They brought it back for the 2020 outback and legacy so hopefully they’ll add it to the Forester and even the Impreza. The new outback XT gets 30 on the highway, supposedly anyways, and can tow I believe 3500lbs.

[@philis05]

Thank you, my two main complaints with my Subaru Forester is the fact blind spot detection and fog lights aren’t standard on my premium version. Should have uploaded this months ago before I bought the car but oh well, still love the car.

[@Brian-dd2df]

That's been the case since 2014. Don't get why outbacks and even crosstreks get them standard on all levels but foresters don't.

[@itsJoshuaSkyy]

I actually prefer it not have either haha

[@weirdwildwackyz]

sold my Camry 2002 and bought Forester 2019 and could NOT be happier. I also have Lexus RX 350 2016 as a family car. Lexus sucks and wasted $$$. For example: 1. Lexus doesn't provide Apple Car Play as standard.Forester does have Apple Car player standard 2. My Camry and RX 350 have acceleration issue (hesitate acceleration which is super annoying) . Forester is quick and smooth which make driving exp so pleasant to drive. 3. Navigation on RX 350 is pain in the d***. Forester is smooth and super easy to use 4. Lane keep assist malfunction, I took picture and showed to a dealership but they could not figured out. It went back to normal several days after. 5. Too much cabin noise = bad insulation. Forester has better insulation There are many different advantages about Forester I think you have to drive to experience it. Eg: Very good turn, all wheel drive, safety features, hold value over time, etc.

[@Cosme27]

Totaly agree 100% you have to own it to experience it , I have a Lexus and a Rav 4, I am happy owner 2020 Subaru Forester.

[@rickyloganjr.2362]

I really like your personality and pleasant energy. Your review on the 2019 Forester is excellent, informative, and very helpful. I'm very interested in the 2019 Sport trim of the Forester. Subaru did a great job with the redesign for 2019. I'm 6'3 and a half, well I will just say 6'4" tall since I'm close enough. It's great to see another tall male like me reviewing the new Forester because you are a great example of how the Forester fits tall folks like you and I. My goal and hope is to pay off my 2014 VW Jetta that I financed pre-owned then add the Forester as my second vehicle. Thank you so much for this vid review and your honesty. Also, I have never had a Subaru, and it's a brand I like and interested in. I cannot say enough on how excellent your review was.

[@taylorfriberg3620]

Ricky Logan Jr. Dear lord you drive a Jetta and you’re 6’4?? Rip

[@jello3456543]

Offroad wishlist: low range transmission. It seems like a dead simple thing for a CVT, but maybe the pulleys don't have the range of motion needed to go lower. I'll definitely vote in favor of adding a turbo, higher towing capacity, fog lights, and the offroad options in general. I'd love to see someone make a serious play to compete with Jeep for offroad customers.

[@happyhome41]

Re: Towing -- totally agree. And on that point -- not sure this was the intent of your reference to "global platform" -- a comparison of owner's manuals around the world, find Subaru Forester does have a higher (read 'useful') towing capacity in those other markets, and only in the US is it limited to 1,500 lb.

[@ThomasACarlos]

Turbo engines are a headache - that is one reason why people stayed away from that engine. Give me a solid 6 cyl (that Subaru previously offered) and the biggest concern (lack of power) would be addressed.

[@taysu]

BRENDAN !!! I am about to buy one of these in Cleveland. I miss Colorado so much, kiss the mountains for me! 💗🙏

[@genius-no5sl]

I love the brown leather on the touring model but the sport exterior looks way more modern and stylish

[@christopherbuckley94]

I have a 2019 Forester and I agree with you on these items. I was thinking of adding a trailer hitch receiver for a bicycle rack. All in all, a great car. I would consider a Subaru in the future or something like a Toyota 4Runner.

[@wilshirewarrior2783]

For the soccer moms who love dogs and actually buy this car the power is just fine.

[@stevetqp9152]

Just fine for soccer dads too! :-)

[@tgr.4550]

good job young man. i will wait to see if there will be any changes on the 2020 model

[@edmey]

The 2020 Forester has a cd player which was missing in the 2019 Forester.

[@philipzwick]

I just purchased the 2020 Touring that has the items he says he would like on the car. The other three are irelevant to me as I do not tow or go extreme offroad and do not need the turbo. Which makes this car perfect for my use.

[@ahu747]

Bought a 17 Forester xt. I won't even consider the new one if they don't bring the turbo back. Period.

[@moonsapling]

Its your opinion. You have the Outback XT as an option. The new one is more focused on offroad capabilities and comfort rather than being a sports car.

[@ozzless]

@@moonsapling But it's offroad capabilities are worse than the previous model (XT).

[@moonsapling]

The system is the same. And you dont need horsepower for offroad. Well yeah it has more torque. Tho the 2019 Forester is the most suitable offroad vehicle Subaru has ever made now that the cvt can simulate low gears and allow wheel spin. More horsepower doesnt mean more offroad capabilities!

[@DaHerrKulzer]

@@moonsapling the cvt on 17 forester can simulate low gears too. just activate xmode and put the gear selector to the left in the first "Gear" , and you have a low gear.

[@moonsapling]

@@DaHerrKulzer i didn't know the 2017 can do it. Such an awesome vehicle!

[@oscarsusan7117]

Yep,a Melbournite here and I purchased a brand new top spec XV iS in the khaki blue(always gets a comment) and had it for a year now with the "4 seasons in one day" weather here its zero issues after 25000 km and excellent economy. Best thing is after a fair time "in the saddle driving about" you certainly feel less taxed physically with the ergonomics and handling of the car, as all modern vehicles should. I don't miss that characteristic fighting the steering wheel wrench from a "gun it" start typical of the front wheel drive cars one iota-none of that with the XV. Subaru did the right thing not putting a turbo on . Turbo would just be another thing to go wrong with dubious benefits in the whole scheme of things.If buyers think its justified there's plenty of aftermarket workshops willing to fit one, so don't say I wish it had a turbo because you don't need to wish,aftermarkets there.Go knock yourself out. Subaru's "Next Gen" should have an all round camera with USB recording inside and out-that should be number one on the standard options and I suspect the X Mode hill climb ascent function is in the works which will be super helpful. 4WD club patrons on the weekend aways are always astounded on the ability of this vehicle with a lot of women gravitating to the vehicle as they can see the benefits of a bit of all-around city/country knockabout with refinement, instead of size and brute force. That's my 2 zacs- for what its worth.

[@marcusnz232]

Interestingly, the same vehicle in New Zealand is rated to tow a braked trailer of 1500kg, which is 3,300lbs!

[@tristandata2406]

paul rudd selling cars now? i love you man!

[@hordeloverzippie254]

i have a 2009 forester 2.5i turbo.i get on the highway close to 30 mpg using premium,i prefer the fuel grade less knocking and cleaner running

[@oddities-whatnot]

Dont watch this without buying a 2019 Subaru Forester.

[@tomtalker2000]

It's a BEAUTIFUL upgrade over the 2018. However, i have too agree with this reviewer either bring back the turbo option. Or up the horsepower and torque numbers. Because 182hp isn't cutting it Subaru you should know better...(g) You could have easily put a 220hp CVT engine in this new model taking regular gas. Let's hope you listen too your consumer base and fix this come 2020 or 2021 at the latest. Because i'm quite sure you'll have PLENTY of complaints by then in motivating you too do something better in the HP department for this new vehicle.

[@wind7sailor]

I'm in the same boat here. I have about 2 years that I can wait, but that base engine only is a deal stopper for this Car. I hope they can fix the shuttering Stop/Start system by then too or at least improve it. Time will tell, barely adequately powered cars with cute paint highlights and slightly higher mpg may be Subaru's wave of the future.

[@frankschultz3917]

I have 2 more things Subaru should've made available: 1) rain-sensitive wipers (heck, our 2006 Mercedes E350 had them; why aren't they standard on the Touring edition Forester and Outback?) and 2) why are the exterior mirrors, even on the Touring Edition, manually-folding, when so many other top-line vehicles let you fold them electrically? On top of that, when you fold them back out, the mirrors are no longer in adjustment so you have to reset them, too. Not what I expected for Subaru's most luxurious models.

[@Darkman24]

"you can only tow 1500lbs...which is not a ton" nope....no it's not a ton lol

[@waynebinky]

I thought that was funny too. Towing capacity is limited by the CVT design and nothing to do with the unibody.

[@Mark_Nadams]

Then he must be asking Subaru to be putting the CVT the Outback uses in it to achieve the 2700# capacity the Outback has.

[@lifebylosh]

It is 3/4 of a ton precisely.

[@maxpwr_fpv4987]

The same model in Australia tows 1500kg braked. Maybe he got the denomination wrong...

[@dillonh321]

@@maxpwr_fpv4987 no. Subaru only rated the Forester for 1500 lbs in the USA. Which is 680kg.

[@dimension7623]

Is there a reason why Subaru doesn’t have air suspension? It be nice to add a pay option.

[@matthewd3317]

I will NOT buy a new subaru until they ditch the cvt. Untill then I'll keep my decade old impreza with its bullet proof 4eat.

[@lamper2]

they make me nervous also

[@blue43921]

Well I avoided the CVT, but now that I’ve used it for a while, I kind a like it.

[@gregreed402]

Ive got the last 3.6 outback with the old transmission, it’s bloody awesome, tows the boats no problem. They wanted me to buy one with a C V T . It was like driving a car powered on rubber bands very strange

[@moonsapling]

Bulletproof 4eat? HELL NO They may be good but not bulletproof. You know, funny how people used to talk trash about the 4eat and 5eat just like they talk trash about the CVT now. You'll learn.

[@cioccbike]

Umbra says That’s funny!

[@kimdiedrich9712]

I was going to buy a 2020 Forester Ltd, they do have blind spots for the smallest vehicles, even with the blind spot detector. Has anyone had issued with the windshield they had issues with cracking with no impact? I'm also wondering why the 2016 Forester goes down to 24mpg city rather than the 26 mpg in the 2019-20. Would turbo be the difference? I wish they would take the useless graphics of the little man walking to the gas tank. I absolutely LOVE the visibility of this vehicle & that the windows aren't tinted so dark! Other SUVs are tinted way too dark for night visibility and add that to the smaller windows, that's why I did not buy the Outback which had way more comfortable seats with lumbar support, another thing Forester should look at.

[@moonlightmelodrama]

This is not a review. It's a commercial.

[@roodboy606]

He even says “We” and not “They” when referring to the brand.

[@SyphADL87]

Whine more please.

[@williamcabell142]

Dexter Haven no shit Sherlock! Captain obvious, what clued you in. Maybe that fact that he is wearing Subaru gear? What a mook. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MusicStudent1]

@@williamcabell142 , he was click-baited. I understand the annoyance.

[@JMEAUS22]

The channel is called Grove Subaru. It’s literally a Subaru dealer.

[@joshmccoy1522]

I'm a big Subaru fan, but disappointed that they only offer their vehicles with a CVT now. That's a deal killer for me. Until the CVT technology improves, I'm staying far away from them.

[@nathanyoung8284]

I've driven a few of the 2019 Foresters and the CVTs were all fine in them. Saves fuel and the only thing you have to deal with is the drone. Subaru has some of the best CVT designs.

[@joshmccoy1522]

@@nathanyoung8284 They're good when they're new, but they start going south sooner than a standard or regular automatic transmission does. First Subie was a 79 Brat and put 243k miles on it, then got a 1984 GL with the dual range transmission. Loved that car. Currently have a 2003 Forester with 168k on it and still going strong. The CVTs with higher mileage start developing problems that the other trannies don't. We'll have to see how the newer generation of CVT lasts. I tend to keep my Subarus for a long time, so I get to deal with aging parts. Currently I only have to replace standard wear items, and I hope to get another 100k out of the Forester before I trade it in on my next.

[@nathanyoung8284]

@Natewatl The CVTs are made by Aisin, not by Nissan. Aisin is not strictly Nissan and they use a different design than the Nissan CVTs, which use a Van Doorne belt.

[@dlisch]

@Natewatl www.marklines.com/en/report_all/wsw0012_201408#:~:text=Two%20Japanese%20CVT%20suppliers%2C%20JATCO,of%20the%20CVTs%20in-house.

[@geraldodearrudajunior2484]

I live in Brazil and I intend to purchase a Subaru Forester 2021 or 2022 Hybrid. People who own Subaru speak highly of the car, it sells very little in Brazil. I've never heard of the cvt gearbox problem. What do you say...is it worth having a Forester? I intend to run thousands of kilometers within the country after retiring.. Thanks

[@aequitas8749]

I'm not buying any Subaru unless it has a real automatic transmission and they have a lifetime warranty on the head gaskets.

[@poolmonitor]

Wait why? Lemme know plaese

[@vs8580]

Unlike the South Koreans (Kia-Hyundai) who admitted they made a mistake with the Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT) and went back to the conventional 6 speed OD transmission. The Japanese would never admit a mistake until its too late and then some big company executive will commit suicide. Subaru would need to be near bankruptcy (again) before they admit failure and go back to a "real" transmission.

[@dominicfong6341]

Very words I live by. As a matter of fact, I only recommend people I hate to buy a Subaru, because it is a total piece of junk after 5 years of ownership. And they also burn engine oil, totally unacceptable in this day and age.

[@villasantamaria1]

@@dominicfong6341 why so much hate? What happened? Some Subaru guy took your boyfriend? Lol.

[@cocoaliveson3235]

The head gasket issue was fixed years ago with an engine redesign. CVT is where it's going to be, probably til we're all driving or are being driven by EVs.

[@dimension7623]

I appreciate your honest review and critique. I’m glad you mentioned about Turbo, especially people like us that are very high up on the mountains...also blind side and rear cross traffic should all be standard. Lastly I think Subaru should add 360 camera.

[@rampar77]

You didn't address the reliability of the 2.5 engine. Did they fix it?

[@Learningthetruth7]

I would send my 2021 back! Gutless. Annoying radio comes on all the time. The seat belt makes me want to run as it doesn't give you even 5 seconds before that alarms go off and get louder. Just try driving the vehicle from your driveway into your garage without being blasted by ever increasing buzzers. Plus, the constant alarms on my eyes are insane. They must not like how I look around, because the car won't stop telling me to nap or get a coffee!! So, I placed a cover on the black bank above the Navigation/Main Screen so I can drive in peace. I have ordered a bypass seat belt receptor so I can actually move the car for 20 feet without being screamed at and lastly, learned to put the Sirus radio on Station #0. So far, doing okay.

[@rogerthat24]

I wish the seat front could tilt up just a little more than it can. I need all the thigh support I can get.

[@randseedbin9440]

I keep hearing from mechanics that the CV transmission still had reliability problems and it very expensive to repair properly. Is the one in the 2019 version any better?

[@wholeNwon]

If it has a CVT, I'll avoid the model. Long-term reliability is very important to me, so I want good historical data on the components of the vehicles that I consider buying.

[@ronbateman225]

Ron Bateman I, too, don't want to rain on everybody's praise parade, but I do listen to the radio a lot. It's lousy. My 2 favorite stations come in w/ so much static that it is hard to hear/understand--those same 2 stations come in just fine in my other car and in anyone else's car. Also, the radio doesn't modulate the volume: some stations come in real low and others are loud...I'm afraid I'll blast out my speakers if I switch from the former to the latter. The service department at the dealership from which I bought it and another dealership both slough it off. That alone tells me never again to buy a Suburu.

[@congdai1475]

Actually many of the features that you mentioned are not included in a base model, which is the one that most people can afford. Agree or not?

[@BuildMobiIe]

Lmao y’all broke

[@jacobbristow6684]

Lifts look cool, but on any subaru other than maybe an STI, it's pretty impractical as the awd system comes up short 95% of the time before clearance comes up short.

[@catherinedavis1161]

As a 5’4” woman I no longer have the reach to clean the inside windshield. Thank you manufacturers.

[@Itsallindica]

Turbo shmurbo. My problem with the car is going easy on the pedal from a dead stop so my head doesn’t get jerked back. I got the Limited edition for $30G with no add ons. The one thing I miss over my ‘96 Camry is not being able to rest my left arm on the armrest and steer with one hand. I rarely have passengers, so took the back seat headrests off for better visibility. I can always put them back on when needed. I just ordered an aluminum skip plate and rear tow bar and harness, and plan to install them myself. I still don’t know if Subaru approves of 17 inch wheels on the Limited, for winter tires. The front disks are bigger than on the lower end models that have 17” wheels.

[@EDXR61993]

it tows 1500kgs in Australia. (3306) pounds. in our Diesel model we had you could tow 1800kgs (3960 pounds). it does seem odd the american subarus have such restrictions.

[@TheBandit59]

I think you were very fair with you’re review? I bought my wife a 2019 sport , and it has about everything except the leather seats, it’s been great for about 20,000 miles, I got the 20 outback onyx xt and like it a lot; but I think the off road weak link is the CVT, it just is too loose in deep snow or steep climbs?it just doesn’t want to go in those situations, but. both cars drive great, and get great mileage? Xmode helps a bit, but. I think the cvt gives a boost over transmissions in the mileage department? I think there should be an off-road model , with a transmission and tranfercase for those doing more out back driving?great review!

[@johneason6540]

I own one. I think there is excessive air turbulence noise around the mirrors, it annoys me. Lack of power in the sierra mountains, it's just a strain to keep up hwy speed. Factory off road package would be great. I did enhance my own after purchase but 2k out of pocket just after purchasing the car sucks. But it looks cool, drives nice and decent fuel economy so far.

[@frantucker608]

I would love it if they would fix the seatbelt attachment to the right of the driver's seat!

[@bitarf7033]

Thank youuuu ....finally someone noticed that!!!

[@2098elk]

Own a 2011 Forester and it is a really great car for our life style. Not impressive on mileage but highway is OK.

[@petergunn9149]

Bought a 2019 Subaru Forester premium 15 package 30k out the door tax ect👍 NJ Old Bridge

[@Maximus01776]

Peter Gunn how's your driving experience so far? i've heard lots of complains about the sensors

[@gregreed402]

I’m not talking about commercial vehicles , I’m talking about the domestic ones that have CVT transmissions.

[@ahmetgurkan9557]

A bad thing; no engine hood lifter! Forester SJ class ( 2013-2018) also has engine hood lifter! Yes, new Forester has a lot of new good things but why don't they use that basic and useful thing!

[@melciveng]

How often do you lift the hood for this to be a dealbreaker?

[@ahmetgurkan9557]

@@melciveng everyday... is that enough?

[@tntmyth]

I would like to see the flip down rear seat buttons in the cargo area available in the Limited and Sport trims, not just on the Touring. I am currently comparing the 2019 Honda CR-V AWD vs the 2019 Subaru Forester. The Honda has the rear seat down cargo handles in the EX-L trim which is thousands of dollars less than the Forester Touring trim I would need to get the same rear seat buttons. It's a feature I really need as I have to put the rear seats down every day to carry boxes. I think it's an omission Subaru should remedy to compete with the Honda in that middle EX-L/Limited trim level around $31,000 MSRP. Besides this, on paper, the Honda turbo is at least a second quicker 0-60, but the Forester has better visibility, wider opening for cargo, better AWD system and a tuning knob. I haven't driven either yet. If Subaru adds the 250 hp turbo model that they have in the Ascent and the new 2020 Outback, they will have a winner in the compact SUV segment.

[@jeffshank9513]

Gary Brown consumer reports rated the Forester way best in category. Only two vehicles scored higher in ALL categories . Another Subaru and the Toyota Avalon. They also rated Subaru the number one auto company. I looked at the Cx5, which I did not like, the CRV that I dismissed when I found out the non turbo trim had almost no safety features. I am a retired Honda Tech, and absolutely did not want a Honda Turbo engine. In my opinion they made a major reliability mistake by leaving their tried and true inline four cylinder engines. It came down to the Rav 4 and Forester, and I chose the Forester Premium five weeks ago. Could not be happier

[@fredjones9853]

Better check out that Honda turbo??

[@tntmyth]

Sadly, after a lot of research, Honda does appear to have a problem with their turbo 1.5 liter. Honda has extended their power train warranty, who wants early engine wear. I am thinking Subaru Forester or Kia Sorento 6 cyl AWD.

[@fredjones9853]

@@tntmyth Done my research, trust Consumer reports, they take NO money and Buy the vehicles they rate. I'm buying a Subaru Forester. I have an older one with 207,000 on it. Still fun to drive

[@hectormontegro3138]

Very thorough analisys 👍

[@mmadrigal]

i like this car, but i'm a bit confused by something you said. First, you said it has no blind spots. Then you mention there is an option (read: extra charge) for blind spot detection. Which is wrong?

[@yelapa999]

It has blind spots just like any other car. Since most people haven't a clue as to how to adjust mirrors, rather than refer them to the Cartalk web site to an article that has been for some 20 years, carmakers are giving users another gizmo to command their attention at just the moment they don't need any distractions. Stupid. But not just from Subaru.

[@bryanstearns9739]

Can I get one of those jackets?

[@oneyetiger]

Bought a 2016 Subaru Forester based on its safety and crash worthiness. From that point on I think we should have traded up with a newer Toyota Highlander which we sold our 2005 Highlander to my grand daughter with 220,000 miles and still going well after 2 years. I don't find the Subaru driver or passenger friendly. My spouse had 2 hip implants. She likes a seat cushion for comfort, but with our Subaru the passenger air bag stays off if she uses a cushion because it is pressure sensitive whereas in the Toyota there was a manual switch to turn on or off the air bag if it was empty. Now it is computer controlled based on weight on seat which a cushion blocks so unless she opts out of an airbag a cushion is persona non grata. After that is the unviewable dash board on bright sunny days and then many other pet peeves. It will be our last Subaru.

[@717dash_cam]

Subaru, while we're at suggestions... Give the Legacy the Outback suspension. There used to be an Outback Sedan that had the ride height, and it would be great to see that come back. People love the ride height advantage. The 19 Forester does have options to upgrade the engine guard, and you should still be able to get Fogs as an easy accessory. I don't see why you couldn't, unless they stopped wiring them all the same. I know the whole factory emphasis, but if someone knows they want them prior to purchase they should be able to let someone know they want them added. Sure it bumps their delivery by a day or two, but allows them to build it into their payments.

[@howardkerr8174]

I don't know which market you are in, but here in USA sedans are the "redheaded stepchild" at auto companies. I expect to see sedans give way to hatchbacks or wagons in nearly every size/price bracket within 5 years...no matter who is building them. As a consequence, I would doubt any manufacturer will give more than lip-service to the dying sedan market. I am just hoping folks will finally get sick and tired of SUV/crossovers and sedans will eventually make a comeback....but I am not holding my breath.

[@717dash_cam]

@@howardkerr8174 Mid-Atlantic state here. I know they really aren't popular anymore, but my theory towards it is that it's mainly due to ride-height and the desire for AWD. At this point the Mid-size sedan is an appliance, just as much as an SUV is. People abandoned the sedan to have a more commanding view of the road, and to feel safer, which I can see since sitting lower to the ground around a bunch of SUV's, they're gonna override crash structure. Sedans lost the single vehicle family game long ago and I see no comeback for that in the future. They still hold a place in the multi-vehicle family market where people want a truck or SUV for a family hauler, but have no need for a second; That is unless they want/need AWD. Subaru headed the affordable AWD sedan market, and I think if they could give it ride-height to match what most SUV's have, it could stand a chance to gain some ground and stand out more if they make it stand out in economy and style to Camry and Accord. US manufacturers have sucked at sedans since the SUV craze started, where the Japanese and Koreans have excelled through it by keeping them affordable while giving people what they want. Quality (or increasing quality for Hyundai and Kia), Economy, Technology, Reliability and Affordability. Ford, GM, and FCA didn't do those in combination well(or well at all); You always had to pick which mattered most to you. Finally, brand image has been a huge thing. The second car tends to be the car these multi-car families hold on to, upgrading the family hauler more often, so people gravitate towards the brands seen as most reliable for the second car. Personally, I know people who only like sedans. They have no desire to go to a sports car, luxury brand, or Truck/SUV, because they mostly don't give sensibility sedans do. I hope the craze slows myself, but I do enjoy the ride height of my 19 Forester; If they lifted the Legacy, or made the Legacy a mid-size sport sedan and brought back an Outback Sedan I think it may be a Subie sedan game changer.

[@pchris6662]

agree about having a teeny bit more towing cap. We have a side-by-side on a small trailer that comes in around 1300# and it's borderline and clearly feels like my car is straining to pull it. I wouldn't dare try anything heavier. all the other things on your list are fluff afaic. I'd much rather see: sun visors that aren't a square cutout piece of crap that folds right down into my line of sight. Whoever designed those things needs to go back to school because they are almost non-functional. stereo knobs are junk. They give you a knob that's made of brushed aluminum that might as well be covered in chicken grease it's' so slippery and the detents are spaced 1 billionth of a mm apart so it's impossible to find a new station without kipping three notches fwd or back. That is if you don't accidentally brush your finger on the touchscreen and end up jumping away from the sirius radio over to some obscure menu setting instead. Touchscreen is very poorly laid out and much too sensitive. why can the passenger not have a power seat? not even the topmost option gives wife a power seat...really? Heads up display. Many competitors have very slick HUD displays that let you keep your eyes on the road. Many of them like Honda are even full color dynamic displays that show all kinds of useful info. Parking Assist? and finally the eyesight smart cruise control is awesome if you even find yourself in stop and go traffic, but for some reason it won't hold you at a full stop for more than 2 seconds and drops out. Mazda and Honda both let the vehicle you are following come to a full stop and wait patiently for them to go again.

[@MrChase-mf6cn]

Great review but did they fix the oil consumption problem?

[@williamnickerson7166]

What has been done to the seats? 2015 Foresters are so so but other SUV autos are thicker and more comfortable.

[@ddistrbd1]

Is having turbo so important?, not to me but it seems you keep mentioning it in most of your videos.not many SUVs have that feature nowadays.

[@jeffjames736]

Is there any truth to the idea of having more engine options on the 2024 Forester (turbo, flat six, etc.)? Reviewers all say that the 2.5L flat four is underpowered, especially off-road.

[@danmc2678]

New engine = new problems. I wonder how much oil these engines will consume? Please bring back the manual transmission. Thnx!

[@godwinc215]

As others have indicated in these comments and from what I have seen and heard from a number of mechanics, a CVT transmission should be a red flag. It is said only Toyota and Honda does CVT transmissions right. You can have all these wonderful bells and whistles in your Subaru, but if its transmission isn't built to go the distance, that should give buyers serious reservations.

[@NotThatGoodGuy]

G Carmona I thought that only Subi does the CVT properly. Only Subaru.

[@gurbazsekhon684]

What is more reliable and good for long run toyota prius rav4 or subaru forester??

[@ARpirateant]

Any Toyota

[@xlprincess123567]

I am getting my forester this December. I live in upstate NY and we get tons of snow. Do you recommend snow tires or will the all seasons be better.

[@grhtex]

The standard tires from the factory aren't the best. I put Goodyear assurance weatherreadys on my outback. They are all seasons and seem pretty good.

[@rigas333]

Snow tires for sure

[@the3rdbestnikkashopinyoura540]

Do the leather seats hold up or will they tear within a year and a half?

[@mnfreeman]

I had a 2017 Forester and had to trade it in because the pedal position was so uncomfortable. The brake pedal was too far left, and was hard to keep pressed when sitting stopped in traffic. It was not possible to 'heel toe' the pedals in this car because of the distance between the brake and gas pedals. Also the pedals themselves were too high off the floor to operate comfortably. After about 10 minutes of driving in city traffic with lots of stops - my leg would start to hurt. Can anyone confirm whether this has changed in the 2019 Forester?

[@dstorm7752]

Nobody should buy a Subaru UNTIL they allow the auto start/stop switch to be permanently OFF. This is super annoying.

[@don-cw1yz]

Okay, but do they still blow head gaskets and did they solve the problems with the heavy oil consumption in the new timing chain engine design? That is why a lot of people lease Foresters now instead of buying them.

[@paulhenry913]

This engine is going in the 2020 Outback with more added weight so it should be a real slug in the mountains. It's only saving grace is the 2.4 turbo. Then you have the big touch screen which is another story.

[@TonyGOD-IS-4-LIFE8039]

Hi I have forest 2019 and blue light is blinking on windshield top left corner It never did I drove it parked turned off and then I saw the blue blinking light only when I close the car (locked) when unlocked it’s not blinking so I don’t want the battery to die and didn’t lock it.Can you help ?

[@romantikdd1029]

Beautiful view all around the car!!! Some mountains and valley... And Subaru 2019 is close to the top too)))

[@tontoschwartz6916]

extremely helpful, thank you

[@sparklander]

Brendan does great reviews and totally understands the Subaru lineup. Don't lie people, some of you are mesmerized by his voice.

[@robertchance4269]

The only complaint I ever have had is the second row seats that do not lay flat. Terrible for sleeping!!!