Ray Mithoff Forgot What Should Be on OT 9 & 10

[@coffeefirstpls2693]

I could watch you and Mike talk all day, these are all great chats.

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

thanks

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

@@GrowingUpInScientology Love your videos, especially when you have Mike on. I would love it if you would interview him on the full story of the Miscavige vs Pat Broeker power struggle. I dont think anyone has told that story in full.

[@fairytalejediftj7041]

I can tell you what's on OT IX for a modest fee of $75,000.

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Shut up and take my money.

[@manuelper]

@@troyd4235 LOL!! You should go do stand up somewhere.

[@jthompson2379]

This is immoral. You're practically *giving* it away!!

[@spideywhiplash]

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[@EarlFaulk]

Is it a recording of one of LRH's psychotic breaks? "The auditor invites ITZA.....and he remains SILENT!"

[@generic234username]

Ahhhhhh Mike Rinder I could listen to you for ages! Always great to see you both on the same screen!!! ❤️

[@JonPITBZN]

"Half the Scientologists watching this video just fainted." *video has two dislikes* One Scientologist just fainted.

[@ReadyToFly24]

Update: now there are 7 dislikes.

[@supadrew932]

What are dislikes ?

[@JonPITBZN]

@supadrew932 an archaic technology for interacting with a video without approving of the video, or getting continual notifications about the video. It no longer exists in any meaningful way

[@lperez123]

Great Idea Aaron of cutting up the videos into smaller section. thank you

[@CLE-EA]

“All of this is all bullshit anyway”. LMAO

[@richardcolesjr.1164]

You're right, Mike.

[@dianemcq64]

I could listen to Mike Rinder talk about this all day. Loved the tc show with Leah Remini, love the podcast, love how he can laugh at the absolute absurdity that controlled his entire life for decades.

[@Juwlz]

This is one of my favorites 😂 can you imagine the panic Ray felt not being able to remember the jibberish Hubbard claimed was OT 9&10

[@xanxibar3350]

This video's audio is full of thetan's!!! Keep up the amazing interviews Aaron. Love the insider view points.

[@wisdom33-i1n]

Had Ray Mithoff attained the state of Clear? If so, he should've had complete recall of what Hubbard told him of OT 9 & 10. < lol >

[@andyh027]

Hahahaha good point.

[@sectec25blog]

You stoled my joke, clearly you have OT powers.

[@theloanranger2632]

@@lenyfreeman3807 Are you trying to be funny Leny? Lmao 🤣

[@helloitsme1785]

I hear OT 10 is where they tell you how to get a refund that's why they haven't released it

[@andreadiamond7115]

Wow! Aaron and Mike together again, in the same seats too 😂❤️

[@srok62]

The stories just get more and more bizarre

[@LeavingScientology]

I love this video between Mike and Aaron.

[@bubbles9287]

I love seeing you two together. I always learn something new. Will you be on Aftermath again in the future?

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

An episode I shot for Season 3 had to be pulled. I explain here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpOxfGmPiLxngsk

[@elliesimpson1313]

Very interesting. I love Mike Rinder's voice, accent and hand gestures

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Thank you for watching and commenting

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

@@GrowingUpInScientology Great interviews. It would be amazing if somehow you could get Pat Broeker on, he could speech about LRH in the end and David's coup to take over.

[@dsullynyc5438]

Israelites: “So, Moses, didn’t you say there were 12 commandments?” Moses: “Ummmmmmmm.....”

[@laruisenora9588]

Where does it say to boil a baby calf in its mother’s milk. I want to read it.

[@danielkeys8974]

Hubbard never should have let the 'Game of Thrones' guys write for his church.

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

😆😆

[@StatingTheObviouslyObvious]

“Overwhelmed, as one would be, placed in my position Such a heavy burden now to be The One Born to bear and read to all the details of our ending To write it down for all the world to see But I forgot my pen Shit the bed again Typical” -Tool

[@needfoolthings]

If most people only knew the epic melody that bit is sung in...

[@dixgun]

A windy and sunny day along with interesting conversation!

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Thank you for watching and commenting

[@timoneer5888]

Wow! This is a fantastic video! I love, love, love the raid story. What year was the raid? Absolutely incredible stuff. And, holy shit, the story that Miscavage goes off on Ray Mithoff about forgetting OT 9&10, oh-so-very funny...

[@pietropipparolo4329]

Ray Mithoff will have self authored HCOBs for OT IX and OT 10 when they need them.

[@calanm7880]

Ray missed a trick: ok he believed the stuff, but imagine with all the pressures that he started just making up stuff, which is 100% in the tradition of Hubbard anyways lol. Bottle of scotch and some Star Trek reruns playing in background, wake up the next day with OT 9 and 10 freshly inked. Heck if he were on a roll just complete the bridge … It would be great to know the exploits of developing characters like Xenu and the Loyal Officers, and characters we’ve yet to meet but who played a pivotal role in the story. We’re talking 80s with Star Wars etc, so there should be some droids and clone armies. Wonderful interview segment… these details from people who were there was so much was going down, are historically important. To hear it being recounted with mirthful laughter (after so much damaging abuse for years), is glorious. Mike is really a treasure and inspiration

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

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[@GrowingUpInScientology]

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[@calanm7880]

@@GrowingUpInScientology no worries, Aaron has so many quality videos, so some random like me today on a 3yr old video .. Happy even from reply bot

[@SaltyLifeWindow]

I was in the Sea org when they were promising OT9 and 10. We had to get all the orgs to a certain point, then they would release it. 20 years later, nothing. Haha. I was also went to Mojave academy in New berry springs. I actually stayed at LRH’s old house out there I heard about that raid. They took stuff they definitely didn’t want getting out in the public. I still know the other person that was there.(that person was LRH’s right hand on the ship) that person told us old stories about LRH that I’m pretty sure if David mscavige found out, they would send a hit squad for me. ;) Vote Aaron smith levin for city council.

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Do you remember the name of the old guy?

[@SaltyLifeWindow]

@@GrowingUpInScientology Not a he. And yes of course I remember. I went and visited her last year. Amazing lady.

[@SaltyLifeWindow]

@@GrowingUpInScientology I’ve really wanted to interview her for like 5 years now and see if she would talk more. But I’m not sure she would give up much.

[@SaltyLifeWindow]

@@GrowingUpInScientology I’ve really wanted to interview her for like 5 years now and see if she would talk more. But I’m not sure she would give up much.

[@rofustus24]

1:53 all of this is bullshit anyway so it doesn't matter, lol I remember when that guy was a bad guy and was hunting people down. Glad to see he was able to get out and start helping people.

[@AnitaLife27]

Wow, just wow!!!! New story to me. Thanks for sharing. It's like Keystone Cops of religion! They'd be completely laughable if they didn't do so much damage. Thanks for the short vids for my short attention span!

[@rosemaryschroeder3642]

Kimmie asked on here what would happen if David miscavige died I remember Leah saying on the aftermath that if that happened they just grab one of the higher Executives that they've had in the hole and just dress him up in a nice suit and he would be the next leader

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Probably

[@methosimortal]

I'm thinking Tom Cruise ... on Tom Cruise, SOB of Scientology :)))

[@mariaasimon3117]

There is bridge, LRH, never completed the bridge.

[@Theslavedrivers]

Wait - The bit about Miscavige berating Mithoff for not 'remembering' the content of those other levels - That's presumably for the benefit of the senior-management team, who get told 'The 'Release' target is just a cover story, to buy us time to write down what was passed on verbally'?? - So one cover story exchanged for another??

[@charlieduke6393]

I need Mike Rinder to do a talk show or a news broadcast for a network in my area or something.

[@christophekeating21]

What I don't understand is if they don't have it, why don't they just make it up? Was LRH such a genius that no one can imitate him, or what?

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

I think the problem is coming up with something scientologists won’t be massively disappointed with. By OT 9 and 10 Scientologists are expecting some amazing other worldly shit and the know they haven’t gotten it up to that point.

[@christophekeating21]

@@GrowingUpInScientology Thanks for the reply! I'll just add that from what I heard, disappointment is kind of routine for every OT Level and even prior levels. But I suppose if they got to the end, there would be no anticipation for the "wins" of the next level, so it's best to never get the next level so you can keep the anticipation going forever.

[@Whereisshellymiscavige]

As an Australian it’s funny to hear Mike’s accent. I wonder what he would sound like if he were to move back to Oz?

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

😊😊

[@kimmoore0427]

I'd like to ask Aaron....If David Miscavige died.....who would be next in line to be their "supreme leader"??? 🤣🤣🤣

[@linasithlady7377]

Whoever the lawyers will put in place as the next Uber Muppet. They faked so many docs, they will probably fake a successor again for the legal side.

[@JoleneDaviesITKWJ]

Oooh, where's the rest of this? This is the meat and potatoes! I always wondered if Pat Broeker wrote a book, did an interview etc... What he would say... Man would he have great info.

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

You can just search KZbin or Google for “MIKE RINDER AARON SMITH-LEVIN” and you will see part one through five of our interviews. Pat Broeker has never spoken out in any way.

[@JoleneDaviesITKWJ]

@@GrowingUpInScientology Thanks!! I know Pat hasn't, I think it would be amazing if he did. Do people know where he is? I feel like with the show now would be the time to speak up. We would all love to hear what he has to say

[@gregthomas2448]

Is Xenu still around if not who took his place as Galactic Overlord ?

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

Xenu is supposedly imprisoned in some mountain somewhere being guarded by the Loyal Officers. Members of the galactic confederacy that rebelled against him.

[@EarthPoweredHippie]

ITS BEEN FOUND!!! M y uncle found it in a storage unit he bought in San Loui Obispo, California 2 weeks ago. It's a series of boxes labeled OT 1-10. Who can confirm the find? How do I contact David Miscavige

[@mariaasimon3117]

There is no bridge!!!!

[@jthompson2379]

Only molten magma and sharks with frickin laser beams strapped to their heads.

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

There is but it's a bridge to bankruptcy

[@ereneren318]

Ot 9 is the return of Ray Mitthof and remembering Ot 10 again.

[@eustab.anas-mann9510]

Then Ray remembers OT 10 is the same instructions as OT 9

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

Ot 10 is the revenge of Pat Broeker

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

If more people actually made it to OT 8, then Davey would have conjured it up by now.

[@IndyRockStar]

why do people buy into this in the first place?

[@adamrawn2063]

OT 9: Just sit in a dark room and bang your head against the wall until cognition. End: Cause over headache. Cost: $679, 423.22 OT 10: 'Mock Up' a dark room outside the MEST universe and bang your head and the heads of all your BTs against its walls until cognition. End: Oneness with a deceased crack-head con-man for the next 100 eternities. Cost: $1,234,456.62 and the last shred of your free-will & sanity.

[@chuckbeattyo]

Its very disappointing, so many things I'd like to have asked Mike more. Also, there are a whole bunch of people who've "audited" Ray, one person is Mariette LIndstein, she and Ray were twinned on the late 1990s RPF when Ray and Marc Yager, and Nigel Oakes and other "biggies" from Int Base, from RTC and CMO Int, and long time people including even John Brousseau, all were on the RPF in the late 1990s. Anyways, there is just so much more details to dig out about things related to Hubbard's final output, things in Hubbard's "Solo" and the "case" folders that Ray Mithoff couldn't remember. it takes a lot of folder study, to pick through, carefully, page by page, of Hubbard's solo and case folders, and all that stuff Pat buried. That's what the "tech compilations" branch people in CMO Int do, and it takes months. I've not been satisfied with any of these persons, possibly only Ray, being Hubbard tech (it's quackery, but it's intricate quackery theory) not Pat, not Miscavige, possibly some of the RTC tech people, possibly Hara Klein/O'Hara would have been someone who if they had been given access to Hubbard's final folders of the "tech" (quackery) and maybe some of the past "skilled" compilations department staff at Int Base might have been able to cobble some pilot processes out of Hubbard's case folders. I don't know the number of Hubbard case folders, does anyone who were privy to the actual Hubbard case folders. Hubbard's quackery ideas span from the early 1950s to the end of his life, and the worksheet paper in the final Death ceremony publicly held, is proof that Hubbard was digging deep into the past. While it is all quackery to me, and futile to try make anything out of what is in Hubbard's final case folders, it at least needs to be made public what is in those case folders, to lay to rest finally that there isn't anything there. For instance, did Marty or anyone even read the "session" from which the worksheet paper that Pat held up at the LRH Death Event? Has anyone seen the rest of the content of the session and the adjacent sessions in that particular case folder? Who has actually read through those full filing cabinets of Hubbard's own private case folders? The two most important final videos I think, are these two: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4S1qZt5erqNnNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGHRp5d_r7-VmpY

[@carllamb1310]

KO

[@kakalis2323]

This is scientology in a nutshell. Lmfao. You know the secrets of the universe? You know, the most important information for all of mankind? Our very civilization's success and continued existence depends on this information.... But I forgot it 😬😬😬😬 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

😆😆😆 Yup!

[@dang2390]

Save me Tom Cruise!

[@frankv7774]

Unless OT 9 and 10 give me tiger blood and the ability to bang 7 gram rocks it's not winning.

[@LuisMendez-ki2cf]

OT9 is knowledge of dual survival/destruction in parallel universes. Other survivors do it the other way, with destruction of 3rd and 4th dimensions. They cant go over 5th dimension tho. Only way to get it is ... Yes youre right. Learn even when it hurts

[@ChrisAthanas]

Lol

[@alison2649]

You two are cute ☺️

[@maktiki]

David, Tom and John are OT-15 and Hubbard will return as UTM, or the Ultimate-Thetan-Messiah OT-10000 e.g. Jesus/God.

[@CusterFlux]

This is a movie

[@alanwitonsky]

A aroooonnnnn

[@TimothyOBrien1958]

Are either of you OT6 or 7?

[@elliesimpson1313]

Your little girl is beautiful and very talented

[@GrowingUpInScientology]

Thank you, she is 10 years old now!

[@Green-Fairy]

❤

[@N4RD1]

Interesting....

[@Inquisitor6321]

First!

[@tankboi8249]

I don’t believe most of the things rinder says just because he was THE guy for so long and he still speaks with a sort of reverence when using the terminology. Fuck Scientology, I wouldn’t use their terms, I wouldn’t use their little acronyms or phrases, I’d do nothing but disparage and mock them every chance I got. He’s just unsympathetic as someone who was a top executive