F-22 Raptor Vs J-20 | F-22 Cobra | Air Superiority | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any ideas for future videos maybe you'll see them in the pipeline down the road, As always please keep in mind these mods are based on publicly available information and therefore do not represent the true classified nature of these aircraft, this is just the best we can do right now. Thanks again for watching guys, Much Love.

[@linusdroptips660]

thanks :D

[@berkosmansatiroglu]

8:36

[@F22-Raptor27]

FINALLY!!! THE BATTLE I’VE BEEN WANTING FOR WEEKS, AND IT’S FINALLY HERE!!😆😆😆

[@ahmadrefaat3460]

J20 vs F35

[@ObeyNoLies]

"Some say that it compromises stealth, others say that it doesn't..."

[@alexion2001]

The spontaneous F-22 Cobra was so sick

[@NationChosenByGod]

The F-22 was designed to spontaneously turn at will with little to no energy loss.

[@huntertito6987]

@@NationChosenByGod wouldn’t say no energy loss

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

@@huntertito6987 definitely wouldn't say no energy loss, because with current technology that would require defying the laws of physics.

[@constablemittens]

Hell yeah that was awesome

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

@@NationChosenByGod literally impossible to make spontaneous turns with no energy loss.

[@bananaprawns]

My man was so proud of the cobra that he made it an epic replay

[@caseinnitratjr6861]

"The J-20 doesn’t seem to be a dogfighter, more like a missile truck. Hmm where is he now?…oh s*** he’s right behind me now" Best part😂and the beautiful dogfight afterwards.

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

I came into this video with the sole hope of getting a dogfight

[@archer4321]

That was not a dogfight, that was a fat lady trying to fight a Ninja.

[@masondixon797]

@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire makes sense all dog fights these days are missles that are miles out. Really comes down to stealth capability and reality I dunno if it's as good as the F-22

[@majura3743]

@@masondixon797 from Taiwanese data the J-20 is no where near the F-22 in terms of stealth ability, but still pretty decent. Although those are just estimates from their radar scans

[@jacobdewey2053]

@@majura3743 I would imagine the chinese fly with the same radar reflectors that the US does with their 5th gens to hide its true RCS

[@Lifelite]

That was the sickest maneuver I've seen on your vids. Holy hell, fantastic flying.

[@JohnKickboxing]

J-20 is not intended for dogfight.

[@L.K.P_]

​@@JohnKickboxingonly bvr fights with pl15 and pl21

[@JohnKickboxing]

@@L.K.P_ 👌

[@sgtango4310]

​@@JohnKickboxingLadies and gentlemen, welcome to today's episode of didn't ask

[@Aui_stormchaser]

@@sgtango4310who literally says “did I ask” these days like shut up he’s just saying j-20 isn’t intended for dog fighting yet there is still a 8 year old saying “did I ask”

[@Ankhobo]

It's a pleasant surprise to see the J-20 in DCS, if only because not much is really known about it.

[@apersoniguess7345]

J-20 blueprints got leaked last month, with this finding, many of the details and capabilities of the J-20 are quickly being revealed

[@BravoCheesecake]

All you need to know is that it has canards. LOL

[@yuy389]

@@BravoCheesecake the issue is?

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

@@BravoCheesecake and?

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

@@apersoniguess7345 source

[@doncalypso]

The YF-23 didn't have canards, but the proposed *_naval version_* was supposed to have canards.

[@DairyCat]

Canards are interesting factor to the stealth equation. I don't think it's as black and white as some people make it. I've seen some 6th gen proposals with canards.

[@Hypernefelos]

Very big canards, as well. But they were angled upwards, and that's supposed to help with stealth. The J-20's are also angled upwards, although not by as much as the naval YF-23 proposal's.

[@NationChosenByGod]

He said early proposals of the Yf-23 did have canards.

[@Hypernefelos]

@@pyronuke4768 Northrop plus McDonnel Douglas.

[@mofleh177]

I guess canards are needed in airplanes that doesn't have horizontal stabilizers although the YF-23 has a crossover horizontal/vertical stabilizers. I believe canards compromise mainly the frontal stealth to some degree.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

I would imagine dogfighting capabiliity is more important for 5th-gen vs 5th-gen fights, since stealth features may lead to BVR missiles being less effective.

[@zechenwei1139]

Maybe, but since they also all have HOB fox-2's, I'm assuming it depends on who has the highest instantaneous turn rate/high AOA capabilities.

[@zechenwei1139]

and I think traditional 1&2 circle sustained fights will be less relavent.

[@wraith444]

@@zechenwei1139 I agree with both points, if stealth really is all it's cracked up to be then BVR will be less effective and nose authority is gonna be a huge deal in peer-to-peer 5th gen matchups.

[@theamericancommie727]

@@wraith444 of course that’s hypothetically speaking if the 5th gens have good stealth, for example this fight was done under patriot cover, so they had to stay low and get close, but what if say a su-57 with an RCS of 0.01 fought a Raptor with a MUCH better rcs with no S-400 or patriot cover? BVR would be more practical, I think it’s very situational

[@theamericancommie727]

@@wraith444 they could also invent a new type of search and track method. Instead of radar use gamma rays, Ik that’s impractical btw I’m just throwing it out there

[@ThePointlessBox_]

man with these things getting stealthier and stealthier we might actually get dogfights again where you dont detect eachother until you get into eye sight range

[@emmano6340]

Maybe the future of Air Combat is getting back to it's roots, whoever's got the better eye sight and experience wins.

[@mittens4385]

By ‘eye sight’ you mean HOB missiles, right?

[@baronmonkerson2195]

Yup....unless radars get a LOT better, opposing aircraft that are roughly similar in stealth and IR suppression will literally have to rely on the Mark 1 eyeball in order to see/engage each other....and dogfighting ability

[@craigbringman7967]

Well some planes are more stealthier then some others

[@vlad78th]

@@baronmonkerson2195 But radar DO get better. They just need to be. What was considered as stealthy in the 90s is no more against modern equipments.

[@an_rc_guy8256]

Holy crap, that cobra manuver felt and looked like something straight out of Ace Combat! Love to see it!

[@zacharysiefer8272]

I would have loved to see a tac view breakdown of that second round. Between how the J20 used the mountain for cover to see what exactly spooked him into defending so aggressively and topping it off to see with what kind of velocity he hit the ground at. I mean that dragon shitwhipped itself into the ground at the speed of Mach Jesus from what I could see.

[@Capt_OscarMike]

AGREED!!! Thought the same thing!!!

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

🤣Mach Jesus lol

[@originalcolor]

The J20 has DAS systems that means it can hardly be ambushed.

[@HorizonStronghold]

He “shitwhipped” after he was hit by the AMRAAM. It could be his controls were knocked out at max turn to the left sending him straight into the ground with the engines at full burn.

[@zacharysiefer8272]

@@HorizonStronghold I'm aware he was hit by the amraam. I'm just curious about the velocities involved cause I'm a need who likes to calculate what g loads the pilot and airframe may have been under in its final moments.

[@Dos895]

Good fight. Actually be interested in seeing more J-20 stuff in the future too.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you very much

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

How the F-22 can turn on a dime still amazes me. What a piece of engineering...

[@hadibabiker3028]

I see F-22 I click I am a simple man🗿

[@JUST_BL1SS]

That is all we are simple men just wanting to see the f22

[@audriccholley1281]

You take the exact same joke than in the previous video

[@CMarkem]

I Click, I See.

[@sparkshot289]

@Pickle See, click. Simplest man.

[@GrafSpeed]

@@audriccholley1281 previous 5 f22 vids lol

[@bigglessy]

I live near RAF Lakenheath and RAF Mildenhall and I regularly have F-35's and F-15's practicing dogfights directly over my house. Can confirm the F-35 looks like a capable dogfighter!

[@victorguevara4640]

F15s in the RAF? I think they should be Americans

[@bigglessy]

@@victorguevara4640 They are USAF aircraft, they just operate out of RAF bases in the UK. RAF Mildenhall tends to host US refuelling craft, RAF Fairford often hosts bombers like the B-52 and B1, and RAF Lakenheath hosts F-15E's and F-35's etc there's a few more across the country.

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@bigglessywhat does that have to do with this video? 😅

[@itellyouforfree7238]

@@Hello_there_obi have you watched the video? GS was talking about whether the F-35 is a decent dogfighter

[@ThunderbolttheFox]

I definitely agree that stealth is more likely to lead towards more dogfights rather than less as the harder it is for fighters to detect each other during BVR, It's likely engagements are going to start in visual range where the ability to dogfight is going to be the deciding factor. Also because the ability for Vectored thrust jets to perform sick cobras

[@ppen8359]

What about electro optical targetting systems? I thought that you turn off radar and use sensors to identify and fire at enemy aircraft. The 360 degree sensor fusion done in F-35 makes it somewhat ambush resistant. EOTS and fire and forget missiles make stealth even more lethal. With EOTS, I do not think there is any need to come close to enemy aircraft.

[@theamericancommie727]

​@ppen8359 E.O doesn't get you a weapons solution, even if you can see someone on it doesn't mean missiles can be guided using it. Atleast not BVRAAMS. Same with IRST systems.

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

I totally love how the first J-20 appearance on the channel is BVR fight against an F-22 that brilliantly ends in a glorious dogfight with a spectacular cobra. Just the prefect introduction!

[@PvtPartzz]

Hey GS, next time you do something this awesome can you also show us the first person view and if it’s possible, the view from the other pilot’s perspective? I’d have loved to see what that looked like from the pilots’ points of view.

[@LazyLightning91]

That cobra maneuver was one of the coolest, most well executed maneuvers I've seen you pull off since I've been watching the last few years. A freaking plus. You gotta post the cockpit camera as a short or something! ...please :)

[@viktorbihar5384]

That Barrel Roll only made it all the more stunning, gee!!

[@Sparra2629]

Absolutely love PvP BVR on your channel, thanks so much for this

[@danesyoutubeaccount7603]

That cobra maneuver brought a tear to my eye. So badass!

[@themollerz]

I can't wait to fly virtual f-22s in 30 years when a lot is declassified (hopefully).

[@jacobdewey2053]

Probably more like 40+ years

[@thunderwrld]

Maybe Never declassified lol

[@johnleonard9102]

Seeing how the Raptor is 20 years old now, and other countries are just now getting around to copying the Raptor, I'm pretty sure it is sixth generation capable, but they call it a fifth gen just because of the time it came out. We probably won't get declassified info on it until 2050 at this rate.

[@xanphoria]

​@John Leonard lol the F-22 is not even close to being 6th gen capable. Maybe the F-35 but definitely not the 22

[@SapuTaro-nr5bl]

​@@xanphoria F-18 block iii better!

[@R3nzo765]

That cobra maneuver 👀 very clean I watched that about 10 times and it never got old. Beautiful skills I love your videos it makes me feel like I’m actually with you flying!

[@PastorRob77]

"He turned into a stealthy lawn dart." AHAHAHA! Good stuff.

[@spezialist7674]

My gosh. That cobra made even Maverick clapping :D Beautiful to watch.

[@ohctascooby2]

The stealth concern with canards is when they are off-axis. Flying flat they should be no less stealthy than the main wing but when angling up or down they can be highly visible.

[@itellyouforfree7238]

even the EF limits how much the canards deflect to reduce RCS

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

That cobra was sick! F22 is such an amazing piece of engineering!

[@jeffhurckes190]

That J20 looks like it came straight out of Kerbal Space Program

[@OcelotGam3z]

That move was freaking insane! The cobra and then a corkscrew alongside the J20 looked like something out of an air show!

[@ddry8040]

J-20 is a hybrid design of F-22, F-35 and Mig-1.44

[@MobiusThreeMusic]

Loving these 5th gen engagements, even if they are guestimates at best. I don't think the J-20 is a dogfighter, everything about it's design seems to suggest it is a stealthy awacs-killer and strike fighter.

[@georgewright3949]

A sort of 5th generation Foxhound maybe

[@matrinezkevin11492]

@RuneGeography The F22 was chosen over the YF23 in part because it was a better dogfighter than the YF23. And according to some red on blue F16 pilots, the Vipers need to pull everything out of their ass and then some just to barely stay alive against the Raptors in ACM engagements and the Viper is one of the greatest dogfighters ever built. I agree on the F35 and J20 though the Felon seems like it should be a good dogfighter as well even if it comes at the cost of some stealth like it did to the F22

[@berengerchristy6256]

@@Scheiseposter f22 is definitely a dogfighter. not primarily, but obviously it can and it is dominant when it does

[@abes3925]

@@matrinezkevin11492 the real reason is because Northrop, Boeing, and McDonald Douglas all had large military plane contacts and Lockheed needed some love so they lobbied the shit of them to get that contract.

[@jacobdewey2053]

@@abes3925 As much as I see that line parroted, I really think that's a misunderstanding of the ATF program acquisition. Despite how much people suck off the YF-23, the F-22 was a superior place at the time of the competition. It's engines were more refined (as much as I like GE, the YF120 was just not a very good engine at the time and it would've hampered readiness and cost), the design as a whole was much more mature (meaning less time till it entered service), capable of carrying more missiles, a superior dogfighter, etc. There's also the fact that Northrop at the time was having issues with the B-2 program at the time being behind schedule and over budget (yes yes, I know about the struggles with the F-35 program but this was the 90's. Also Northrop wasn't trying to design an aircraft for 3 branches who don't like cooperating on designs). The proposal that Lockheed put forward was more mature and was likely to enter service sooner and cheaper than the YF-23. Military acquisition isn't always about getting the best thing possible, it's about the best thing possible for a cost that congress/the public will accept. Would the YF-23 have ended up a better aircraft? Possibly. Does that mean the F-22 wasn't the right choice? Not necessarily. TL;DR: Defense acquisition is more complicated than teenagers and casuals on the internet would like to think. Was there lobbying by LM? Almost certainly. Does that mean it was the reason the F-22 was selected? doubtful. Especially since Northrop almost certainly was lobbying as well.

[@charleswatkins8558]

That 22 never ceases to amaze, but how in the world did that thing come up behind you.

[@JohnWickOG]

The Cobra shocked me, the F-22 made it look like ART!

[@caominhhungtran6098]

The energy retention of the F-22 is so good!

[@itRIX49]

Duuuude, that Cobra you did in round 1 had me smirk, giggle, and laugh out loud! I had fun watching, thanx. Keep 'em coming!

[@joshuagriffith6787]

The YF-23 and J-20 are two jets that we've never really seen get featured on your channel. I think it would be a badass video to have the two dogfight. Great video as well! That cobra in the F-22 gave me chills.

[@ronzwarycz6081]

Great content as always! I love the BVR stuff, dogfights are great but this video was fun seeing the full scope of the fight from attempted BVR to the F22 pulling a Cobra and Fox 2 duel.

[@bridgecross]

I thought these two stealth planes would fight without seeing each other, but that got real interesting real fast.

[@ericlane3256]

9:00 That J-20 was FLABBERGASTED

[@donh6177]

The "stealthy lawn dart" comment cracked me up, the cobra move was bad ass!!! Great video!

[@chrisdionela]

The F-22 cobra manuever and the sick rolls of J-20 seems like they were dancing. So majestic.

[@gld1010]

We are now starting to catch up with birds of prey in aerial agility. Except for speed, they had us beat for a long time.

[@galacticalliance4801]

jesus christ that was a beautiful, and perfectly timed cobra, completely turned the tables on that guy.

[@obsidianstatue]

Canards are just another control surfaces, it's not inherently unstealthy The designers just have to align it to the rest of the surface, so that the radar waves are reflected into the same direction, ie away from the enemy And as far as I can see, the J-20 canards ARE edge aligned with the rest of the surface, which means it's indeed a stealthy design

[@wraith444]

He did a great job turning it around and jumping you in that first fight, and that subsequent scissors/cobra was nuts!

[@williamclark206]

Absolutely love these. Your knowledge is very impressive. Teaches me a lot. Im very VERY new to DCS i just figured out how to fire various missiles haha. Looking forward to learning more about DCS and hopefully acquiring new aircraft. Keep up the awesome work us rookies need you lol 👍

[@wganthony05]

I’m fairly new too, what aircraft are you starting on? (You have a very nice first name)

[@1c-man]

dude that cobra maneuver was hot as hell. good job and please make more dogfight scenes with maneuver.

[@enigma6482]

That cobra maneuver was just cool looking. Wish we got the cockpit perspective of it too though.

[@uno_1762]

it would be cool to have the perspective of the j11 pilot

[@TapRackTV]

That cobra was just so beautifully cheeky

[@Stormskip]

I think the difference with the F35 is that it's an export fighter with multirole capabilities in an era where technology advancements allow for more standoff capability . There was probably some level of foresight when developing the F22 where stealth capabilities could lead to more dogfight scenarios, but technology at the time of development probably limited weapon systems more than weapon platforms.

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

At the time of the F-22’s development, I don’t think there were really any projected non-American stealth aircraft, so Lockheed didn’t really have that to consider back then. Maybe though?🤷‍♂️

[@yesyes-om1po]

to me, the F-35 is the replacement to the F-16's aging airframe and technology, and the F-22 was supposed to be the replacement to the F-15/F-18. One multirole stealth strike fighter, and one absolute air superiority stealth fighter.

[@kanebehne3604]

“Hit the brakes and he’ll fly right on by” that cobra maneuver was beautiful

[@APH.95]

That cobra was insane 😍🔥💥

[@viktorbihar5384]

I've been looking for this exact moment for 2 days now. That Maneuver was absolute.

[@ChadKanotz]

I remember in the Marines standing guard at a local air show over the then newly publicized F-117. When it was out for maintenance, and the reporters came by, we would joke that the reason they couldn't see it was because of the stealth.

[@boostedbadboyzx12r31]

It's name was John Cena

[@SapuTaro-nr5bl]

Down in Serb

[@arctictiger8690]

Hey guys, I think GS *might* be proud of that cobra.

[@Bigtater113]

That may have been the coolest thing I've ever seen in a flight sim.

[@Grandslam245]

Imagine the sudden bone chilling fear an F22 pilot must feel when they hear a missile lock on them but can't see anything on radar. Their adrenal gland just bursts all over itself.

[@lr5037]

0:32 the first aircraft that China designed on it's own. Probably not. When Russia decided to built their next generation fighter they asked Mikoyan and Suchoi to come up with it's design. Suchoi won with PAK 50. Mikoyan design didn't. It is said that it sold it's prototype to China and helped develop China it's J-20. Mikoyan plane was called Project 1.44. It is very similiar to j-20.

[@furbyguy]

So far 5th gen engagements (especially BVR) and the stormovich WW1 stuff are my favorite videos from you, but I love it all. Great flying, I really enjoy your content!

[@spxtfxre1]

This. This exact kind of video is frickin awesome. Also, that cobra on the f22 was so sick

[@MobileTaskForceE11]

Finally J20 vs F22 let’s go!

[@timbaskett6299]

I was hoping we could see this combo at some point!!

[@jesuschrist-alphaomega]

Dam that was a beautiful move. Gotta replay that again. Thank you for throughing us such a tasty treat.

[@PackinForSuperbowl]

I asked a version of this question on last video and it was kind of touched on in this one. I realize there's in most cases very little public information on these fighters, but the sim devs should be able to quantify how much of the performance in the sim is, for lack of a better term, completely made up by them. I'm curious what that generally is.

[@kamalmanzukie]

maybe some physics / fluid simulations to get an idea of the aerodynamics. feel like maybe a supercomputer would be needed to solve the equations for the RCS if they are public knowledge (not sure if they are) then as far as all the radar/sensor capabilities we could only really guess

[@joshturner7917]

I'm gonna let him fly right past me. "U're gonna do what..?" That was a Sweet Cobra ACMiπg!

[@Shogun1982]

GS: Cobra is pretty useless Pugachev: You are welcome, comrade.

[@stinkyfungus]

No, GS and pretty much every REAL fighter pilot says its "mostly" useless under all but limited circumstances. You just saw the limited circumstance where its can be made to work. (And it would have gotten GS killed if that J20 had a wingman that was worth a shit, and positioned where a wingman should be ) Just sayin' (And yeah... it was a BITCHIN move.)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Loool ya the only reason it worked is because he made the mistake of having too much closure and not staying in my control zone. If he did that the cobra wouldn’t have worked.

[@heathb4319]

@@GrowlingSidewinder ...but the real awesome thing here is you were aware enough to know what his plane is doing, know what options you have, then grabbed the one that fits that scenario at that moment the best. Your casual decision making skills mixed with your in-video lessons and reasoning is why you have become my go to channel for anything DCS or entertainment in general. Keep it up brother. You are creating something worth watching.

[@erdngtn9942]

Suggest for channel! We'd love to hear your discord conversations with your pals that fly against you. Gotta be interesting. Laughs and discussions on what they were attempting...just whole convo in general

[@thomaz851]

Dogfighting will be important again like the good old days when stealth technologies become more common. Which is good for me since I get to watch more dogfighting

[@arkadious9320]

yes and no. Off bore sight missiles really negate most of the angles in close range dogfighting (which is why the F-35 has them). The "good ol days" are never coming back.

[@ferrous3262]

@@arkadious9320 isnt it still categorized as a dogfight even with off bore sight missiles

[@arkadious9320]

@@ferrous3262 I am going to have to say no. Simply because it is so drastically different than what dog fighting is traditionally defined as. You have to remember most of this we see in DCS because they agree not to shoot and to merge. . thats not how it works in the world. If somehow by pure chance it would be a "merge" and both jets pull to each other and fire off bore sight most likely killing each other. . not much of a fight.

[@thomaz851]

@@arkadious9320 I get your point maybe I should rephrase "dogfight" to close range combat

[@LocoAirForcePilot25]

My god I screamed when you did that cobra 😭😭😭

[@doodmonkey]

The cobra move is amazing.

[@mitchoconnell6944]

That cobra looked beautiful great cinematography!

[@ionsilver557]

Based on some recent footage from this year's Zhuhai airshow, the J20 seems actually has decent dogfighting potential. Especially now that its engine has been switched from Russian products to domestically-made ones, its maneuverability has improved significantly compared to previous years. In addition to "basic" maneuvers like cobra or falling leaf, it can even roll continuously off the speed vector at high AOA while still maintaining climb - a maneuver I haven't seen any other aircraft do. Maybe the F16 has done it, but at a much smaller AOA. On the other hand, though, it still has not had TVC, nor does it have a gun. Both of these should be a problem for extreme dogfighting scenarios.

[@Grandslam245]

So you're saying it just flies backwards, upwards? Ching tech is insane.

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

The footage I have seen doesn't really show me anything amazing that can compare with F-22 demos I've seen. Not saying it's not capable, but was hoping for better performance.

[@kmanliberty1065]

I would not call the switch from AL31 to WS-10C a upgrade. Yes, it has about 10% more thrust but it also weight around 200kg more per unit, that's close to 400kg of extra weight by switching the engine. And I have check all the Zhuhai footage from KZbin I can find. Could not see any that has Cobra, Falling leaf as you describe. As for your description of "High AOA roll". It seems like no more than a barrel roll during a climb. Granted not common but not entirely unheard of. I have seen at least F-18 and Rafale perform this maneuver in some clips. So far with all the footages available on KZbin, I haven't seen any that make J-20 worthy of "Super Maneuverability" label unlike F-22 and SU-57.

[@ionsilver557]

@@kmanliberty1065 Looking back now, it does seem that the J20 never showed a full cobra. I probably confused it with the J10B that was used to test TVC. the J20's falling leaf capability was shown in some video clips before Zhuhai, mainly flying over Chengdu.

[@pkerlei]

@@kmanliberty1065 should search again, just J 20 on KZbin, you should see some new video from this year's zhuhai airshow.

[@bobjones6154]

Yeah that cobra was totally sick. You got skillz sidewinder.

[@slickninjadude9165]

I believe the F-35 had an encounter with a J20 a couple weeks ago and from what I heard the U.S. was able to estimate that the J-20 had a much larger radar cross section than the F-35 and f-22. They said it was more similar to and F-16 cross section...

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

The Indians routinely joke about how easy it is to see the J-20.

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

That incident happened way back in March. Sandboxx has a video about it on his channel. Very interesting I think.

[@howardman3926]

Kind of irrelevant as long as they had specifically ruined the RCS. -22s put things on the jet to lower the RCS to keep it classified

[@vaccuumrolls7243]

@@howardman3926 The F-22 with luneberg Lens has a lot bigger RCS than an F-16, if it had luneberg lenses on they would be able to tell.

[@thomaszhang3101]

Not sure where you got the “estimate J-20 RCS” bit from, because among the only things the US public ally said was that they were “relatively impressed with J-20’s professional flying and its kill chain integration with the KJ-500”. Nowhere did they mention all RCS or obtaining anything new about the J-20.

[@ryannadernejad2814]

8:37 that f-22 cobra was so sick

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

Would be interesting to see how the J-20 did the ambush in the first round

[@ryanpan3015]

Dogfighting is a very important key ability for a 5th gen fighter, but also able to shoot each other at long ranges is also important, if you want to build 5th gen fighter, you have to make sure they survive an close quarter encounter from a merge but also attack enemy aircraft from long distances without having any trouble whatsoever.

[@mobiusflammel9372]

I’m not entirely certain that’s the case. Or at least the US doesn’t seem to believe it is. I say that because every render we’ve seen of six generation fighters from defense companies appear to be focusing less on mobility and more on overall stealth which suggests they are not really concerned about dog fighting so much as engagements at range.

[@mossfamily2000]

I find it amazing that the f-22 been out since the 80s basically and still is dominate

[@Viper-ih3yt]

What???? I mean the program started in the 80s but the plane didn’t see service until 2005 (If I’m correct)

[@LOLHAMMER45678]

@@Viper-ih3yt YF-22 flew in 1991, first production aircraft flew in 1997

[@Viper-ih3yt]

@@LOLHAMMER45678 got it. Thanks for the correction.

[@sharequsman596]

The stealth design is definitely really good but the f35 way more advance.I wonder if a f35 with its far more advance sensors could pick up the f22

[@jarretthuffin]

Sidewinder: I'm gonna do what's called a "pro gamer move"... Also Sidewinder: "Cooooobra!!!!!"

[@BlackAirforcesgaming]

What’s crazy is that the F22 is nerfed here and it’s still beast

[@nfs123nfs12]

it's an old piece of junk

[@andersjjensen]

Even coming up from behind you need to be real damn careful with the Raptor or you're going from "Yess!" to "ohshitohshitohshit" real fast.

[@codylamoureux7856]

Could we see f-35 vs J-20? I feel like that could possibly be a match up we may see in the future more commonly than with an F-22

[@netwrkguy]

"I'm gonna hit the brakes and he's gonna fly right by!!!" AND HE DID!!!?

[@HunchoCOL]

Me in 2017: the J-20 can beat the American air industry Me in 2022: F-22 supremacy is real

[@AlbertLloydy]

That cobra maneuver made me giggle.

[@P_r_o_x_y]

F-22 would probably see the J-20 through the patriot system data link

[@boejiden7093]

China might see the same.

[@nicos1097]

Dude that cobra that got you on his 6 reminded me of those phonk edits people make of the F22.

[@carrier-buff]

From what I have heard, the J-20 isn't so much a close in knife fighter like the F-22 or SU-57 and more a long range missile truck, being the biggest and most bulky of the 5th gen fighters. I remember an annalist discussing how the canards do reduce stealth but that it is unlikely that either the J-20 or SU-57 are as close to the F-22 or F-35 based on certain design features. The compromise in stealth isn't as important due to the good but not great stealth in the first place. The J-20 though appears to have a very good radar allowing it to lock target from very far away which pairs well with the new long range missile the J-20 has been seen to carry. This leads to the conclusion that while not as good as the F-22, the J-20 wasn't designed to directly fight it in the first place. Instead it was supposed to kick the pants off of the more common F-15, F-16 and F-18 planes the USAF has from long distance with lots of 120+km range missiles where its stealth is good enough make it nearly untouchable, and have the speed and high-speed maneuverability to get out of any fight it is loosing.

[@CenobiteBeldar]

The way you two birds danced talon to talon was phenomenal.

[@timbaskett6299]

I should tag you in on one of my most recent glider designs, on IG. With your knowledge of energy states, and turn rate, I'd like your opinion. That being said, it most certainly isn't a stealth design. At least not in its current configuration. Any chance of an F-35 vs. J-20 video?

[@yoamal1187]

He plays dcs world, he isn't a real pilot. you probably shouldn't take advice from him

[@pixel6173]

he only knows how to play each aircraft to their strength. I'm not sure he also knows which exact airfoil design gives best performance for certain speeds and weights.

[@Act1v8ed]

If this based on what we know about the F22 I can only imagine what it can really do in real world theater. Oh and that turn was absolutely 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@thepaisleyproject]

Look at the mig 1.44, it has a lot of similarities in design. With a little f35 thrown in

[@Lux_1138]

1:14 “and the J-20 flying out here today is sponsored by Apple Beats Pro, thank you to them for supporting us”

[@CptManny]

J-20, never seen it in DCS. Excited for this one!

[@whirlwindeddie2124]

I’m kinda concerned since a dogfight would eventually kill the J-20, since this doesn’t have a gun.

[@bro26mohw]

@@whirlwindeddie2124the J20 would die no matter what considering it’s neither stealth, nor functional

[@jaek__]

@@bro26mohw yeah china's entire fleet of its premiere stealth fighters are useless and non operational K

[@imza5535]

@@bro26mohw he says...based on no reliable information?

[@bro26mohw]

@@imza5535 1. Basic design principles of a stealth aircraft the J20 completely ignores such as sequential angles (i think that’s what it’s called). 2. Its chinese so…

[@timsullivan4566]

Noice flying G.S, That 1st kill was sick. F-22 vs Anything !

[@whirlwindeddie2124]

That freaking Cobra, Jesus freaking Christ, I’m in love again❤❤❤

[@AarStark]

Bruh the J20 literally is the fusion of F-35 and F-22. So much Chinese originality XD

[@deltaforceshuttles3749]

To say that Cunards aren’t stealthy would also mean rear stabilisers aren’t stealthy on the f 22 unless the engagement is mainly forward facing which would probably obscure them

[@bengway6079]

Finally someone who knows how to fly a raptor! The first hit was totally insane man!!!

[@alanmakoso1115]

The fight we've been all waiting for!

[@MrDdaland]

Your comment about the Countries not releasing combat capabilities reminded me of a ancient incident- Company was developing a tank strategy game in the 70's -:They contacted the US Govt for performance data of the M60 tank. Govt didn't give them the info, but did give them what they knew of the Soviet T-62 and 72. Company then contacted the Soviets requesting information - which they refused- but did give their information on the M60.... Was several years later that they found out both "estimates" were right on the money

[@beng7844]

“It doesn’t look like a dog fighter, and he’s on my six. Allow me to demonstrate.” Somewhere, maverick said “we’ll hit the breaks and his career will fly right by”