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[@mmtot]

You have to remember GS you are in DCS fighting him making a youtube video whilst talking to your audience, this guy is trained to fight you with the mindset if he loses he dies.

[@JayDKBGames]

Did you forget to put the pilots youtube link in the description, I'm curious to see his channel videos?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@JayDKBGames no Ate's link is in the video description, and another comment but youtube won't let me pin that one, so it got lost in the sea of comments, better to just get it out of the video description.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@JayDKBGames better yet, here it is, ate's channel: kzbin.info/door/hjVBecXyrnluLxmbV-wswQ

[@spectreQ]

How do you think a DCS pilot would fare in the real world against a less trained third world air force pilot such as a Ghadaffi Era Libyan Air Force Pilot? or an Iraqi Gulf War Era Pilot with less training?

[@ATECHUET]

Haha, thanks for having me @growling sidewinder ! Fly safe :-)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank YOU for coming on brother I really had a great time making this video, most fun I've had in a long time. It would be a pleasure to have you back, we will be in touch I'm sure man.

[@Master-bj8mt]

A tout les coups c'est moi qui t'ai donné l'idée 😆

[@CrapuleScred]

Excellent! Merci!

[@LeGekkonidae]

La vidéo sort avant même d’avoir eu le temps de proposer ce duel 😍😍😍!

[@konfuzon4270]

Thank you both for taking on the challenge of confronting both worlds. Please do it again!

[@camcamgt]

The scary part, to me, isn't how aggressive he was but how fast he adapted.

[@handendaer]

A clipped underwhelming parrot would say that.

[@AEWYU]

Improvise, overcome, as adapt

[@camcamgt]

@ab cd seeing as how I can barely fly a Cessna in FS2020, I think I will.

[@G-2Ub]

French pilots are very good

[@darkstars101]

@@G-2Ub *at surrendering

[@nommchompsky]

The whole conversation of a sim pilot hopping into a real fighter jet and beating a real pilot is hilarious considering they would probably be able to withstand maybe 4 or 5 Gs for a few seconds before passing out

[@zennok]

but imagine if they're piloting drones tho

[@kortvinyard4413]

@@zennok but, but, but.......

[@CorruptInfinityOfficial]

Tell that to formula one and Indy car drivers... 4-6G’s in medium-hard turns for several seconds on long tracks. Physically fit people can usually handle around 7.5g’s for several seconds before passing out, in flight school you are taught breathing techniques that allow you withstand g’s for longer periods of time, the suit is for the intermittent over G and to assist in your breathing technique.

[@nommchompsky]

@@CorruptInfinityOfficial High level racing drivers train just as much as pilots. Put a person who does a ton of sim racing into an F1 car and drop them into a grand prix and they would do just as terribly as if you put a sim pilot into a dogfight

[@nidalq1987]

Don`t even forget that when you play is much different than risking your own real life.

[@trainman2226]

the fact he plays so aggressive shows that in real life you really got to kill them before they kill you

[@RyTrapp0]

It's the difference between playing a match in a game and playing for life & death in reality - no matter serious some of these players may think they are with this stuff, the gravity of the situation just can't be simulated. Well, maybe Jocko Willink could take a game that seriously - but I suspect he's too serious to waste any seconds of his life playing video games, LOL

[@sky3_ow]

@@RyTrapp0 its not a waste if you enjoy it but aight

[@donovanswift5010]

@@sky3_ow nobody said it was a waste

[@sky3_ow]

@@donovanswift5010 @RyTrapp0 did

[@donovanswift5010]

@@sky3_ow he literally did not but ok

[@maverick8697]

To sum up: Sidewinder: doing fancy maneuvers and prolongates the fight Real pilot: "So I've turned and started blasting"

[@FoxWithTheAngels]

So anyways, I started blasting!

[@theoneneo5024]

I’m not seeing a bunch of fancy maneuvers. Mainly he is pulling right and staying in the horizontal plane. Anyone who mixed it up and fought 3d is going to be better. I almost felt that Sidewinder was trying to drag things out and not be aggressive at all.

[@SerbanOprescu]

@@theoneneo5024 - That's because he was busy with a screaming prayer.

[@ftn5546]

What I find impressive is how short, controlled, accurate, and precise the real pilots cannon bursts are.

[@omgoyal3270]

So true

[@fluxmechanics]

Trigger discipline.

[@alienvseditor]

meanwhile me in Ace Combat: keep holding the trigger until I hit something

[@justduck4504]

@@alienvseditor me destroying a battleship in project wingman with fighter cannons in 3.4 seconds

[@h8GW]

@alienvseditor Ironically, the accuracy statistic when I was playing ACI kept me off the guns unless I was at shooting ground targets or something gigantic.

[@kengou]

Goes to show how effective their training is. When the french pilot wins, he wins very fast, and he gets offensive remarkably quickly. They're trained to kill as quickly as possible. When Sidewinder wins, he has to grind the French pilot down over many many turns to get a good position for a shot. During that time, in real life, the French pilot's wingman would have come in and killed Sidewinder already. These guys train for quick kills and for two-ship tactics, hardly ever for one-on-one guns-only fights.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

very accurate, and even the fact that I was able to grind to a good position is because he didnt know the numbers in the hornet off by heart, if he knew those (played more DCS) I wouldn't have even been able to do that. Very humbling experience to fight Até.

[@TheKenji2221]

@@Internetbutthurt Except you forget one key aspect. G forces. Yeah Sidewinder can show off with his piloting skills. But put him in a real jet against that same pilot, and it will be a whole different story

[@decay5889]

@@Internetbutthurt lol comparing a video game and Real life xD

[@lolvks]

I attended a fighter pilot brief once. The hard and fast rule they live by for their BFM sorties is to achieve a kill within 30s if offensive, and survive for 60s if defensive/neutral.

[@dylanaoyagi3]

@@Internetbutthurt You're literally spewing out what GS asked Ate his opinion on

[@Entropy_91]

Of course we want to see him in the Mirage, is that even a question? Also at least one round with missiles would be cool.

[@stephen10.]

Mr. Entropy this pilot has won vs 4 mirages this week , Ate will even try a fight vs 6 oponents soon lol . He is very strong and a real pilot

[@EricHorchuck]

Why wouldn't they use missiles; just for more of a challenge? (I'm new to this, I race but have 0 experience with this.) I've asked elsewhere too but I'll ask here too; what does DCS stand for?

[@andreaskavak2364]

@@EricHorchuck dynamic combat simulator

[@boingobadger9846]

@@EricHorchuck Digital combat simulator

[@boingobadger9846]

@@andreaskavak2364 Digital*

[@Bearthedancingman]

My sister and I once got challenged to fly in one of those full motion simulators against two Korean war pilots who flew F4U's in Korea. We had beat everyone so far in three previous matches and wanted to show how good we were. They beat us like a drum. The simulators gave us 25 minutes per round (for a "mere" $20.00) and by the end of the 25 minutes my sister and I had 2 kills. Just one each, and the two old pilots had 11 kills. I remember they told me I was easier to kill because I was predictable and my sister was unpredictable so she only died 4 times. lol. Never underestimate old pilots. 😁

[@BuggSmasher]

I took away from this that females are unpredictable and never underestimate Sisters too !!

[@Bearthedancingman]

@@BuggSmasher haha that too!

[@BuggSmasher]

@@Bearthedancingman As you can see, I get myself in trouble a lot at home.

[@lemieux-z8933]

[@arthurvg2217]

"Beeeeep Korean computer failing to understand female software beeeeeeeeeeeeep"

[@ChrisKardiake]

Just to let you knows guys, Até play on a laptop with a 15' monitor, with a cheap joystick and no Trackir. ^^

[@jeffbrownme2]

No track ir is the most impressive part lol

[@thouanpierre7099]

And with G's effect 😎

[@CueDriver]

That's adding insult to injury. This was still a great watch.

[@brycenhcox]

I have to say it I’m sorry...... 15” not foot lol

[@zeph6182]

Get this man a gaming PC and a proper stick and he’d fucking wreck everyone.

[@jeanknapp]

Fighter pilot here. You guys devote so much time training in simulators that you are probably better than us. I'm waiting for the Super Tucano mod for DCS, and I believe two weeks tops after it is released, there will be civilians kicking our asses even after our years of training. Be proud of what you achieved. This is a complex activity.

[@thanatosstorm]

Nah bro, y'all are sick. Physically most of us could never pull what y'all trained to. It's keffing fantastic.

[@skullofserpent5727]

Yeah, sure :D

[@dense_and_dull]

@@thanatosstorm Unmanned vehicles are the future. Though it still has a long way to go.

[@125Addicted]

Yeah do that in 5G lol

[@FlightRecorder1]

I can believe that. Hundreds or thousands of hours in DCS cost virtually nothing compared to the cost of flying a real jet, or even real dynamic simulators. Obviously the DCS crowd couldn't survive the Gs or would probably cave under the pressure. But if you popped one of them into an Airforce I bet they would be incredible students. For the flying parts at least. Probably not so much everything else

[@IronB2]

the comment the pilot makes about.. "if someone from DCS thinks that they have what it takes to hop in a plane and compete with a real pilot.. great.. but just by the fact you think so boldly that you think you could do it tells me you wouldn't be trustworthy of a $100m aircraft" I'm not a pilot but I've always had a strong appreciation for that philosophy, as it applies in so many different areas of life. I'm sure in the world of extremely disciplined fighter pilots, that humble mentality is quite common, but its incredibly rare in the world of us common folk. Most people's arrogance/ego won't even allow them to understand that statement and take it to heart. Thanks for the video!

[@Jay2JayGaming]

But... Ate's statement is the exact opposite of humility. He's literally saying he's better than other people

[@Desi_Nehra]

@@Jay2JayGaming No, what he said was the exact opposite of what you took from it. 🙄

[@TheBucketSkill]

@@jakobinobles3263 Where did DCS players get this audacity from? I know other milsim players aren't nearly this arrogant. To think they are comparable to a real operator...

[@KFLY007]

The rafle isn't 100$m+wtf

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

@@TheBucketSkill I mean, I guess it comes from thinking "well I'm controlling the virtual plane with the same joystick that real pilots do, and I *think* I'm pretty good at it?"

[@hateca1]

"Pulling 10 G's you would be exhausted". Very true statement right there. That's one of the major issues, most if not all of these dogfights in DCS would not occur in real life.

[@theglockdub]

Underrated statement. During real flight you feel your body, brain, eyesight reacts to stick movement squeezing everytime. During a DCS flight you see just clear picture chaning on your screen and your mind works clear and sober.

[@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS]

They should add a blackout mod

[@Kay_213_]

Bruh. Just increase your stamina stats

[@mariosola1]

good comment

[@icecold9511]

@@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS DCS has blackout. But while your vision is affected, your brain isn't.

[@Deltaworks23]

Most dangerous part of his career was flying the 737 Max.

[@Takarde]

lol so true !

[@sule.A]

😢 my favourite

[@sule.A]

?

[@ATECHUET]

I must admit.. funny comment !

[@Metal_Siren]

goes to show you he's a BAMF

[@marty7442]

Real pilots are another breed when it comes to discipline. Imagine being as calm as you are in this video, actually in a dogfight, and expected to keep at it for a tour of duty. I am an infantry veteran and even my hats off to a seasoned fighter pilot in this regard.

[@SH60bubba]

Your comments about real pilots and DCS are spot on. I spent 20 years in the cockpit of Navy H-60s. For giggles I got the Huey for DCS despite all the reviews saying how hard it is to learn it. It took me about 10m to get the DCS-isms. But the crazy thing is I learned to fly Helos in a TH-57 which is the Huey’s little brother. It felt like a fat 57. I can’t really explain that but it just did. To test my theory, I took a helo buddy of mine and sat him down without ever playing DCS before. Took him about 10m too and his first comment was, “kinda feels like a Jet Ranger”. The flight models and control response in DCS really is that good. Now I will say that TrackIR is essential for hovering because you’re never going to pick up drift fast enough without being able to rapidly move your head but was still pretty damn amazed.

[@jeanknapp]

Wait until you try it with propper VR glasses and gloves (in near future).

[@Apoquinador]

What track IR do you recommend?

[@JerDog1984]

@@Apoquinador TrackIR is the brand and probably the best IR sensor head tracking, but there are cheaper alternatives

[@alexandre-guzu]

Can't see how Track ir can be realistic. The world around you doesn't move around you when you move you're head in real life. VR is the way to go

[@daelra]

@@alexandre-guzu Not yet it's not. I have both a VR headset and Track IR and honestly, I prefer Track IR for flight sim. Mostly because the refresh rate and resolution aren't good enough yet on VR but also, unless you have everything on your stick and throttle, you need to be able to see the keyboard, mouse and any other controls you may have, especially to deal with nav and comms.

[@KilroyActual]

He's probably having a field day being able to maneuver in ways he couldn't without the sustained G forces.

[@sijenkai3928]

Facts, but any real pilot can imagine how bad it would be thouh so in a sense they can still “feel” it if it’s something they have done many many times lol

[@Snay1998]

He also probably didn’t do all the Tricks he knows due to military secrets and rules

[@aconite72]

@@Snay1998 Nothing secret about manoeuvres. What’s the tactical advantage to keeping dogfighting manoeuvres a secret?

[@thatoneguy6466]

@@aconite72 so your enemy doesn’t know what they are and learn how to counter them

[@Snay1998]

@@aconite72 there are certain approach angles and moves which could give you that slight edge,if it’s out in the open then your opposition will know how you will come to attack him and he will be ready to turn it against you.That’s stands for other military aspects too not only airforce or navy,they would be in serious trouble if they divulge military secrets

[@clarke7703]

Gotta hand it to you, man. We can all see you’re a great sim pilot, but holding your own against the real fighters, especially a Frenchman who started at 14, that’s really next level skill. Very entertaining to watch. Hats off to you, Sidewinder.

[@MarkOBrienTeaches]

That second interview portion is gold; that mentality goes and applies with everything in life.

[@ATECHUET]

Thanks! I actually wrote a book about the mindset and how it applies behind the cockpit => D.BRIEF (On Amazon)

[@pspn0]

Absolutely

[@yellowhammer72]

Totally agree.

[@dstavs]

Awesome video. I was wondering why, as a Rafale pilot, he wasn’t in the Mirage but you answered that. I’d love to see that battle.

[@sule.A]

Rafale and mirage are very different despite both delta

[@LePresideent]

when

[@DCVolo]

Mirage! Please ❤️

[@PsyTechnical]

Upgrade that computer with some more space! Get on it bro!

[@DGrin79]

I second this coment for sure, would love to see Até in a mirage.

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

I was in the Air Force for 24 yrs on active duty. 4 yrs of that I was an F-16 SIM scheduler for the Triple Nickel in Germany and after they moved to Italy. I'll tell you this. A real pilot can easily jump into any sim (from an 8 million USD sim like the one I used to manage to DCS) ... some will be bad, some will be good, some will be great. A 'DCS pilot' cannot jump into a real fighter. Why? Because they'd kill themselves and destroy a very good airplane ... and that would be a shame lol.

[@jasonhurt2356]

Agreed....real life flying is so different, you can't just "jump in" and do it after getting good at something like DCS...

[@fluxmechanics]

Yeah, have some real world EP's thrown at them and they will crumble. The stress of going through the checklist to trouble shoot and resolve the EP for a safe landing would stress them out to the point they would be helpless.

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

lol I wasn't trying to be an a-hole about it tho, really just wanted to make fun of "destroying a very good airplane". I'm sure top tier DCSers know this, but it's ok to poke fun every now and then.

[@fluxmechanics]

@@linaleahgarcia1516 Totally got that. Always poke fun when you can. Haha

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

@@fluxmechanics haha 🙂 always

[@Collateral0]

Fun Fact: Ate was a Super Etendard Pilot for the French Navy before switching to the Rafael, so he has advanced ground attack and fighter training. So wherever you are, in the air or on the ground, he will ruin your day lol.

[@otneyat]

oh no anyway

[@bikerboy3k]

not as fun as interesting but yea good to know

[@Master_Yoda66]

The guys above me are lame this was interesting to learn

[@marc9080]

RAFALE, RAFALE, RAFALE!! rafael don't exist!! my good l'Amérique n'est pas le monde!

[@flintsky7706]

IF he knows where you are.

[@emvill4520]

There is a lot of wisdom to what this French pilot is saying. One of the most effective way to stop learning and getting better at anything or to stop improving yourself as a person is to think you're the best. Confidence is NOT the same as thinking you're the best. Confidence is believing in your abilities but also accurately assessing your abilities and your weaknesses. And this ties back to improving yourself, etc... continues improvement, it never stops.

[@Wellshem]

Arrogance is the best thing till it become toxic. As long as you are not, it's good. If you are arrogant you'll never allow someone to be better than you so you'll train harder to be better. There is a reason why all the best sportman are a bit arrogant.

[@emvill4520]

@@Wellshem No offense... But I think you are misunderstanding the definition of arrogance if you think it's good to be arrogant. Trying to be the best at something is not arrogance. It's called being competitive. Arrogance is thinking you are the best at something but in reality you are not (also people that have a false sense of their importance). In the context of being a fighter pilot or in any combat scenario it can be deadly. e.g... (exaggerated for clarity) Tiger woods in his prime thinking he is the best golf player in the world is not arrogance, it was a fact. A golf pro that has never won any major tournament believing he is better than Tiger Woods is arrogant.

[@sempressfi]

Agreed. Wisdom is knowing what you don't know and being open to learning more.

[@TehUltimateSnake]

Well said man

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@Wellshem arrogance that isn’t toxic is just confidence.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

At 11:30 that was the most perfectly timed jink Ive ever seen! But thats hilarious, I didnt know there were DCS players who honestly think they could fly/fight a real jet because they play DCS! 🤣

[@BOZ_11]

tomorrow's pilots will come (some of them) from DCS.

[@jamesb2291]

I remember thinking I was pretty good at the Ace Combat games back in the day, until I played with one of my friends that is an actual pilot. No contest, he really was significantly better at flying.

[@-_deploy_-]

I wonder why...

[@BoleDaPole]

Yea cuz he used real life techniques not just random circles and loops

[@NP-ux9xg]

@@-_deploy_- because he had actual flight experience. It really isn't difficult to figure out.

[@-_deploy_-]

@@NP-ux9xg no sh1t sherlock 🙄

[@howled0]

@N P it was a rhetorical question. Not that hard to figure out

[@ayylmao9697]

Sidewinder vs Mover Hopefully one day

[@J_JetClips]

Mover doesn't seem to want to max perform the F-16 or Hornet in DCS because he doesn't want to give tactics away

[@christianarboleda7872]

Whimpers2 lmao

[@nicolaeionescu6538]

@@christianarboleda7872 No really, he mentioned that plenty of times. And he's right.

[@hoilst]

Sidewinder vs. Grim Reapers 1 v 10 match.

[@MozTS]

Nah mover is a fucking cop, fuck that shithead

[@derekli1741]

DCS is just so immersive. I just realised if the sun glares onto the cockpit glass, you can see the scratches that reflect the sunlight a bit. It’s just a small detail but that’s amazing

[@Paul-oi2wz]

23:59 This is not piloting lesson, this is a life lesson.

[@ryanotte6737]

Yes, a lot of professionals could do well in the long term in their careers to adopt that dichotomy of confidence to push forward getting the task at hand done, but the humility and caution to keep learning from everywhere possible while pushing forward.

[@user-rd3jw7pv7i]

@@ryanotte6737 This is what I'm currently struggling with. How can I balance confidence and humility at the same time? I know I'd be able to do it as I age but as of now It's really difficult. Sometimes I get caught up with the "Ah, I understand everything in this field" mindset because It's more comfortable to be in that bubble rather than charting outside of my comfort zone. Sorry for the lengthy comment.

[@MrPFMneto]

@@user-rd3jw7pv7i only time and experience will tell

[@TheGoddamnBacon]

@@user-rd3jw7pv7i Over the years, you learn a lot, and it can feel like you know what you need to know. The truth is, you do. It's just that there's a lot more about what you already know that you need to learn to interpret and adapt to areas and situations you don't have experience in or at least not enough. Things always change, therefore knowledge cannot be static. Adaptibility is paramount. And that requires both experience and humbleness: without either you will be too rigid ot too proud to embrace it, and you will die. Just my double Lincolns.

[@dominiqueschenck430]

The french navy guy is saying lots of very important stuff. Great interview. And great fights! Many thanks for making this available for us to watch and listen to.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

My pleasure thank you for watching

[@collinspecht6725]

@@GrowlingSidewinder He mentioned maybe doing a scenario next time. May I reccomend French (Navy, for his sake) and American allies invading Syria, with Russian Federation allies? Perhaps even use the Syrian Dynamic Campaign (if possible)?

[@AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH-y5f]

Hell yea he needs a mirage!

[@LJMaviacionffaa]

i love M2000d

[@LJMaviacionffaa]

@@Duderino27 i dont know the correct version, but mirage 2000 is one of my favourite fighter.

[@LJMaviacionffaa]

@@Duderino27 what version flew in Qatar Air Force?

[@melloyello13127]

@@LJMaviacionffaa it's 2000-5, the last ( and the best? ) version of mirage 2000 is-9

[@andrewradford520]

this needs to be done

[@Takarde]

Several real pilots also say the difficulty with DCS is the lack of return from the aircraft. Of course, when you really fly, you have all the sensations which help you. Without it, it must be like loosing one of your senses. Same should apply to virtual F1 / Nascar / Rallye and real race.

[@Takarde]

Also years and years ago, when playing Jane's F-15, I was in contact with a former French Air Force pilot. We were playing another online game togethe. He told me : "Yes, a flight sim pilot can beat us. One of the aspect of real dofight is to keep a clear mind, to manage the G we take. In a simulator, you can eat 9G constantly and make crazy moves we will never do. So by habit we won't do this." But of course, Jane's F-15 was a very different thing from DCS ! Far far less realistic.

[@iatranger]

Seat of your pants flying is very real . I realized years ago I was making small control adjustments without thinking about it and before there was any real sign of attitude change just from feel . In fact most of the time the attitude wouldn't change because of these tiny control inputs . It's very second nature after a while , just like driving a car .great video 👍

[@Takarde]

@@dfgiuy22 Yes, even for car racing, I use to say I have more feelings in my car driving 50 Km/h in a city rather rushing 200 Km/h and more in a driving sim lol

[@janbo8331]

@@gort8203 That's very vividly described, thanks. In theory I know relatively little about flying and in practice only enough to know my ear drums try to explode even on a regular passenger jet landing.. I'm a racer and a speed addict by nature, which is why flying is also of interest, but I know I could only ever do it in a simulator. Your comment just brought flying to life somehow. I've been racing in sims for over 20 years now, although the early wheels and "sims" were primitive to say the least. Never had the chance to race a real rally car or an F1 car, but in the virtual I can beat world records. I don't think of myself an anroid, most of the time anyways. Virtual racers and pilots just by necessity have to adapt to using fewer senses for the task at hand. Visual interpretation of speed and distance is probably the most important single skill. Throttle inputs are mostly based on audio cues, while the handling comes through the force feedback of a wheel. I would also say that sustaining absolute concentration for an extended period of time is the most important mental trait. Relying on fewer senses means that missing out on one can be more detrimental. So, instead of an android I'd argue we are mostly single males with our phones turned off.

[@CMDRSweeper]

You just have to adapt... Driver61 had a video on sims vs real life, or rather racing simulators. Yes you lose the G feeling, but you gain other ways of telling what the car is doing, and once you adapt it is a bit scary how close they are. So losing the butt feeling isn't that bad when you realize what else is there for you to gain in the sim.

[@hdvsmith]

Just seeing this for the first time. The biggest difference that I see is that just after the merge, Ate' pulled over 7gs and GS pulled a little over 4gs. To his point, if your managing your energy the high tight turn, although will cost you energy, he's able to get the nose on target faster. This is totally capable and probable for a real fighter pilot. WELL DONE!

[@mahmoudh821]

I believe from seeing it on his channel that ATE doesn't even play with a HOTAS, but with an entry-level all-in-one joystick, which makes the performance even more exceptional !

[@florian1840]

No hotas, and playing on a 15" laptop...

[@icecold9511]

And no track IR. A lot of gamers fall into the trap of "I'm so skilled" when they paid money for an equipment advantage. I've done this with joystick head movement, Track IR, and now Rift S. The situational awareness advantage is real.

[@pv.pp_9515]

@@florian1840 Is that true?

[@ClementYang24]

This is literally the opposite of what happens with 1st person shooters, I'm an infantryman and I'm complete trash at call of duty lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya but call of duty is so far off reality, the closer to reality you get the more ur real life experience helps you.

[@ClementYang24]

@@GrowlingSidewinder yeah u right lol

[@Brian-uv2ll]

you should try arma 3, your skills are really going to show off there

[@vczs]

@@Brian-uv2ll both yes and no. ARMA 3 is realistic yes, but you still lack many things compared to real life. In tactical perspective his skills might work. But mouse&keyboard controlled guns have nothing to do with real firearms.

[@GimbalLocksOnly]

From a fellow brokeknee gruntboi, do yourself a massive favor and get Squad for PC.

[@johnathonmullis4234]

I liked the aggression of using a slashing maneuver right out of the gate for a quick kill or to rattle your opponent at the start of the fight. Amazing at how easily his skills translated into dcs. Great stuff man

[@hushpuppykl]

Over a 100 years of dogfights and it’s still back to turning and turning. Can’t change the basics of the physics and tactics. Awesome video!

[@spookdiertje1128]

Exactly what I was thinking; why don't they make guns that can turn so you won't have to point your nose??? Or even rockets that launch backwards??? I don't know the first thing about this stuff, but I really enjoyed the video!

[@hushpuppykl]

@@spookdiertje1128 … maybe it’s because they are flying so darn fast? 😬

[@zain4019]

@@spookdiertje1128 "why don't they make guns that can turn so you won't have to point your nose" Like auto-aiming and firing guns? What is this madness, I think you've actually solved modern dog fights. I'm not being sarcastic lol, I also don't know much about this stuff. But your suggestion seems very sound.

[@EhmedCousCous]

@@zain4019 tail gunners are already invented

[@bananian]

@@spookdiertje1128 Probably because it's the easiest to aim with the guns facing forward.

[@seanpk78]

That was awesome to see the difference of how a real fighter pilot applies aerial combat tactics vs an experienced gamer and the explanations of his transitions. The pressure he puts on you is amazing, and his ability and speed to get in a kill position is insane.

[@LonnardTree]

Loved this. My grandfather flew for the US Navy...but started flying when he was 17. My mother gave me his entire flight log. Right after he got his commercial license, he came down with lung cancer(not a smoker) and died in 1975. My father and his father were both in the Air Force. One of my good friends is a fighter in an F-16 for the AF. This just brings up a lot of good memories...even the ones from childhood on Elmendorf AFB with F-15s rocking the on base housing every morning at 5am 😂.. and just am so glad that there are people like both of you. This is a treat for me. Thank you so much for bringing a fighter pilot on. And thanks for this channel. Good luck!

[@7cle]

Hi, I think you got him interested in DCS. In one of Até’s latest video in DCS he sets a 1 vs 4 mirage 2000C and in one take, kills all 4 AI opponents at max settings, same plane, giving himself a handicap by loading more fuel than his AI opponents to make them even more manœuvrable. He’s never flown the 2000 in real life. Head over to his channel in the description. He does each videos twice, one in French AND one in English.

[@Bigpimpdaddy69]

Tu as sa chaîne?

[@ashkanhooshmand6518]

man I envy this guy, he had the best job in the world

[@VisibilityFoggy]

The Super E doesn't get nearly the recognition it deserves (like most European fighters). The M2K and Rafale seem to be the exception as they're so well known. I like that France keeps developing its own planes to protect its sovereignty. We (Americans and French) are a lot more alike than many would care to admit. Personally, I love France. Every time I visit, people are very friendly and welcoming. That said, I've always been in the south.. never to Paris. But you could say the same about someone who's been to the U.S. but never New York City lol.

[@b.a.sbadassugar5007]

fly against C.W Lemoin Mover both in a f-18. that would be even cooler since he actually flew the F-18

[@joekingsley8142]

I was just gonna suggest this!

[@RonJeremy514]

I would pay to see ATE vs Lemoine

[@michaelmcginnis1429]

Did he actually fly the F/A-18? Recalling with an imperfect memory here, but I thought Mover said he flew the F-16.

[@Kurogumo]

Michael McGinnis He’s flown both.

[@seventh-hydra]

I think he's openly stated (In the video where an Air Guard guy went up against an AI pilot) that most DCS pilots would kick his ass, because what he's trained for, and what people are capable of doing in a video game are completely different.

[@katarinatothova7060]

Next up: *Dogfighting a real dcs pilot*

[@이종혁-d8t]

ㅋㅋ

[@GunsNGames1]

*DCS player dogfights French pilot in a real F/A-18*

[@debetrolence1991]

Oof

[@StkyDkNMeBlz]

A pro scene for DCS

[@sw01ller]

just found your channel, I'm ex RAF (ground crew) I could genuinely watch this all day! this needs to be the channel! haha. excellent video. loved it.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you man glad you enjoyed.

[@yellowhammer72]

Really enjoyed that. I thought it was really interesting hearing him describe the pilot mindset. Thought his comment about DCS guys that are so sure the can do it in a real jet shows the aren’t responsible enough to be entrusted with a $100 million dollar jet was profound. Reminds me of the Dunning Kruger effect. Love all your videos, Growling. But this one really stood out.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks Bryan glad you enjoyed man

[@jerrysutton7293]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Seems to me gforces could be programmed into game by slowing pilots reaction time.

[@DerekSpeareDSD]

What makes DCS valuable - besides the fun - is that it offers the "potential" to be used as an excellent training tool...

[@samanumcarneros6392]

In fact, the AA (Armée de l'Air - Air Army in french) used DCS with the Mirage-2000C module of RAZBAM, for the pilot in training. It's way cheaper than actual flight hours, and can be used with the TACView for good debriefing.

[@baaamakingbaaaa]

I was invited to fly the real A10 sim at an AFB near me 2 years ago. Been flying DCS for 7 months now. Last year they told me I'd probably be invited back this fall-- guess what the first plane I bought was? :D

[@DerekSpeareDSD]

@@baaamakingbaaaa it's a good opportunity there!

[@baaamakingbaaaa]

@@DerekSpeareDSD you know I didn't realize what a big deal that was at first. it wasn't until later that day I was talking to one of the other servicemembers and told him about my simulator experience. His exact reply was, "Damn! I've been here for 2 years and haven't even been allowed in that room yet!"

[@theglockdub]

@@baaamakingbaaaa Hot air baloon simulator i guess xD

[@conservativemike3768]

Years ago we used to watch this thing called TV. SCREW THAT… this is WAY better.

[@Treityn.]

Yep

[@madscientistme]

i like how his shots are just little taps and yours is just a hair longer.

[@MihalisNavara]

16:45 "Look how quick he gets behind me like, I'm not used to somebody getting on my ass like that" That's what she said...

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

No need to be a she, guys can also enjoy another man in their ass really fast.

[@Alejandro-et5wv]

@@LuizAlexPhoenix bruh

[@tommeng6522]

@@LuizAlexPhoenix no

[@insurgentleman]

@@tommeng6522 yes.

[@tommeng6522]

@@insurgentleman Wow, you're suprisingly horni for someone in BONKing range. BONK!!!!

[@kennyj4366]

Nice. As a pilot also I would add, knowing a mistake will cost your life is always being suppressed. Also after 3-5minutes of hard G turns you start running on adrenaline. By the time you land you can hardly walk lol. Great job guys. Very enjoyable.

[@dmenager]

Watching him is like: he's really trying to kill you! Lolol

[@panostsak]

It comes to show how amazing this game is as a simulator, allowing an actual pilot to do very well because they can apply their real life experience to it.

[@DavidVanmeterDutch]

The guy did not become just a fighter pilot but an accomplished one in multiple planes. He became a fighter pilot for many characteristics that made him successful. Being very competitive, smart, clever and damn good pilot in general!

[@nathantw]

I remember back in the Janes F-15 days I went up against a couple online players. The first round I went down low in the mountains with my radar off. I had an idea of where they were. As I got close I painted one of them with my radar and got an AIM-120 off. He had no idea and I blew him out of the sky. Unfortunately his buddy got me. The next 5 rounds I had no chance and they literally destroyed me no matter what tactic I used. I finally called Uncle cause they were so good. I asked what one of them did for a living and he said he flew F-15 for a living. I felt good I at least got him once. Apparently back in the day Air Force guys really did play the Microprose game. I met a young man on a plane once and I got to talking with him. He flew F-15s in the Gulf War. I asked him if he played the Microprose Janes F-15 game and he said yes, they did. I'm sure today it would be DCS.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

and you'd be correct, I know several real life pilots who play DCS. some retired, some active, some still in training.

[@MattUNI2005]

I loved Janes F-15 - 131st

[@Shin-lh9ih]

Woah

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

What a guy, love the explanation he gave about the dichotomy between confidence and humility. Some smart people make you feel dumb, but the humble ones make you feel smart with them. Dropped him a sub and can't wait for the rematch in the Mirage.

[@D64nz]

DCS is the book smarts of dogfighting. You have a great chance to experience every encounter hypothetically, and it mostly reminds me of the scene in The Expanse, when the pilot is simulating the upcoming fight and basically getting killed every time. But it's different when your life is on the line, let a lone when you are about to take another life. And it's different when when you are being flung around the cockpit by incredible forces. Most people have never felt such high pressure as to black or red out. Extended exposure to 10 g's will very quickly kill you. But you can hold it for a few seconds.

[@yotatrd5.758]

You Need to Fight "Mover", (C.W. Lemoine) in DCS

[@g1998k]

After seeing your videos I got myself a Quest 2 and started learning DCS. Its a great way to keep your brain healthy.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

100% correct, always learn something, and there is soo much to learn in DCS.

[@airforce-pn1cx]

What's amazing about this is that this guy did his carrier training in the Goshawk on the Truman while I was stationed on there and then he did his deployment on the the French Carrier with my strike group. They flew daytime missions while we flew the night missions

[@Lochaby]

MORE ATE!!! have him tell us the story behind his call sign. HAPPY BASTILLE DAY!!!

[@sekoundiaye3239]

Pretty simple his full name is Pierre Henry chuet. With the call sign you've got Pierre Henry "até" chuet. Até chuet like " à tes souhaits" which means "bless you" when you sneeze...

[@mark347347]

You gotta buy them one too many drinks first!

[@johnnytopgun6414]

@@sekoundiaye3239 yeah but the story behind it is him probably sneezing on his commanding officer

[@ForceM1782]

I have YT closed captions on. And everytime someone fires a Vulcan, it thinks it’s Applause... LOL

[@CarelessVagabond]

Well it kinda is if you think about it... Very rapid and deadly applause

[@flintsky7706]

BRRRRRRT

[@ForceM1782]

@@flintsky7706 Dispensing freedom at 6000 rounds per minute XD

[@Wowreally42]

this sim is incredibly impressive. i know nothing about flying but man, this was cool to watch!

[@ahmetbesir]

11:24 omg thats incredible maneuver

[@chrislinn64]

GS - Hands down one of your most intense and mesmerizing videos I’ve watched! Absolutely enjoyed the fact that you dogfight with an actual fighter pilot. Great Q & A with Ate and completely agree with the humility factor comments. More vids with Ate!!

[@itsamemario8345]

Retired USAF, I've met very humble fighter pilots and I've met really stuck up fighter pilots. Your pilot is right, the humble ones end up being great commanders while the hot shots fizzle out. Great video, loved it.

[@OmerMazaltarim]

You've just a new bar in content quality. The dogfighting and Tacview(ing) in the end were awesome as always. I can totaly relate to this notion of being assured of youraelf but also being humble enough to understand and learn from yout enemy. I wasn't a fighter pilot, but we always had this sentence when I served in the army : "The courage to lead, and the humility to learn." Best regardes to Até, hope to see you two do it again soon.

[@wocookie2277]

I love your analogy, it’s the same with many things. A chef doesn’t just cook. And one who thinks he knows everything, is a cook.

[@raykim9061]

"I got selected to fly the Boeing 737 MAX so I got a lot of time on my hand"

[@mariosola1]

I saw DCS on steam for the first time yesterday, then I noticed alot of the planes cost 80 bucks, i thought that was ridiculous but now I get it. This was a great video man.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya man they’re like pretty much fully modelled including the flight models, clickable buttons and switches.

[@Sonic32084]

If cost is a barrier to entry, get Falcon 4.0 for $5 and download the BMS 4.35 update.

[@Anirossa]

Was used to flight sims, got to go up in a Diamond DA20 with a instructor. Around when I was 18. Got suprised when the instructor felt comfortable letting me have the stick going in for the landing at the very first go, went well and was a incredible feeling.

[@jhare18]

Well said by a true Fighter Pilot, “HUMILITY and DISCIPLINE”. Discipline takes years or hours of training and millions of their currency spent to make them very proficient in their craft. Humility to know that their is no one else better than him in his craft. Well said how the G force is the big difference during actual fight, which means a fighter pilots need to be very physically fit because the G force exerted to the human anatomy makes also a big difference in winning the fight. Hope to hear more from true fighter pilots in DCS fighting against you and giving wisdom to a fight. Great presentation.

[@ibisu]

This is amazing man! It's interesting to listen a real fighter pilot's input about DCS combat vs the real deal. Keep up the good content. BTW I'd love to watch him perform with a Rafale. Let's hope it becomes a reality pretty soon *fingers crossed*

[@erich930]

Really cool fights and interview! Everything Ate said in the interview really applies to all of aviation, not just fighter jets. For any aviator, if you just always think you're better than everyone else, then you're going to automatically disregard any input that opposes your perceptions, even if you're completely wrong and that new input could save your lives.

[@gijoe775th6]

Man my face hurts from smiling so much, watching you fight makes me happy always look forward to your videos. I like this format where you talk to the other pilot after the fight. And yes please fight him again.

[@Benny-high5]

We want to see the ass kickin mirage. That would be awesome.

[@fParad0x_]

Indeed haha

[@hawaiianrobot]

this was so sick, really liked his comments about having the balance between confidence and humility, i think that applies to basically anything. seems like a very cool guy.

[@aaronseet2738]

"damn he's aggressive" think that's his very job :)

[@charaznable2859]

You aren't in a dogfight a lot so that's why probably But if you are then yeaaaah be hard

[@nonamesplease6288]

Great video! It was interesting to see Ate's process from losing the first dogfight to totally dominating the rest, even though he'd never flown an F18 in real life or in DCS. Now you need to get Ate in his Mirage and lose all of the rounds, or maybe get an F18 jock on the channel.

[@spitfire_flyer5659]

Blue Heeler mover The F-18 pilot

[@nonamesplease6288]

@@spitfire_flyer5659 Interesting suggestion. Mover flew Vipers too and he's very familiar with DCS. It would be interesting to see him do a real dogfight. Wonder if Sidewinder can get him to do it between helicopter lessons. 😁

[@c2h6-e]

I know that this is an intense battle situation but the whole aesthetic is so relaxing I almost fell asleep...

[@Tigerhawk30]

DAMN, that was interesting! So, the American was flying the CF-18 and the French/Canadian was flying the USMC F-18C...? Talk about a touch of role reversal...

[@jonl.1603]

Gs is Canadian 🙂

[@BARelement]

GS is Canadian...

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Tigerhawk30 indeed I am Canadian

[@Tigerhawk30]

I obviously stand more than corrected. Apologies.

[@dedensanusi9305]

@@GrowlingSidewinder so that why you so much love f18 from very beginning ?

[@venomrushtv9535]

I follow Ate's channel for a while now and i was hoping to see this video since the begining ! Huge thanks, great content ! Keep going ! 😉

[@keeganhenderson24]

Man I don’t think you guys appreciate how incredibly respectful this pilot is. My dad is a pilot and damn all of the guys (other than my dad thankfully) are extremely egotistical and “me me me”. It’s very refreshing to find a humble pilot

[@Leifthrasir]

GS, many of your reactions in this video reminded me of the meme of Ralf Wiggem in the school bus saying "I'm in danger.". lol

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Lmao ya certainly felt that way right from the first turns

[@zackbenson7658]

GS - This was a truly awesome video! Having watched you fight many times, I thought you would hold your own and you did. This was really fun to watch. Thanks

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

hey zack thanks man, glad you enjoyed brother.

[@tim_schtz]

I am extremely impressed by his maneuver starting at 18:10. That turn was so tight what the hell. I am not a DCS guy btw, so don't blame me for possible lack in knowledge

[@TreblebullFPV]

So glad someone mentioned this! Absolute incredible footage

[@Transit21]

This was WILDLY entertaining to watch! Hopefully there will be a follow on video with this guest on the channel in the near future. M2000C - Yes Please!!

[@dioad1739]

This video is a good one you’re one of my favorite channels best in DCS for sure.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thank you man I appreciate the love.

[@kevenbeaudry5971]

Me too. And I discovered Ate lately. Now they both fight against each other that’s awesome.

[@abdullahanwaar7389]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Quick question Would you like to play 1998 Novalogic F16 multirole game?

[@HoboTango]

I don’t care for modern aviation (fell on your channel while you were recording IL-2) but I had to stay and watch that video. It is so cool to have had this virtual battle with an actual pilot and to have listened to his words at the end was priceless. Thanks to both of you !

[@hermanshelton3660]

I would love to see you two fight again. Especially in a plane he flew in the military.

[@konfuzon4270]

He's a french navy pilot. So he flew Super Etendard Modernisé and Rafale Marine. Unfortunately both airframes are missing in DSC...

[@stalinium4769]

Nice! When I was watching the video where he played with skyline (literally yesterday)I was like damn he should dogfight growling! And pls do the mirage vid with Ate

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

Man you know someone has alot of dogfight hours when they can fight a real rafale pilot and literally call out his every move after the merge lol I have some serious hours to put in haha

[@blessthismessss]

Now put him into the lead enemy role of a 2v2 fight -or even 1v2- and see how well you guys fare!!

[@deepposeidon289]

He's not invincible... if it was 2 people vs him he's going to lose.

[@nighthawk6755]

DeepPoseidon but imagine that if he was on rafale (not in dcs but that could be cool

[@blessthismessss]

@@deepposeidon289 probably should've specified BVR lmao. Idk how accurate it is but isnt there a rafale mod?

[@begu88]

Awesome Fights, really want to see Ate in the Mirage. Also he adjusted so fast that was amazing, his experience really showed. Very cool content hope to see more of these

[@89vette89]

The maneuverability he managed to beat out of that aircraft is absolutely amazing, he milked every ounce of cornering and momentum he could possibly have when going in for a strike

[@TheDiazDarkness]

18:17 that shot was awesome.

[@jtaaronchristensen2760]

I really want to see this guy in a mirage, that would be a sight to see for sure.

[@jacobvallie5486]

Humble, fighter pilot, french. I hope my wife never meets this guy.

[@Boslandschap1]

In answer to your question: obviously, I'd love to see Até flying in a Mirage, but actually I'd be more interested in seeing him and you fly WW2 fighters. It would better illustrate Até's understanding of the general principles of dogfighting mechanics which I would find more interesting than seeing him (expertly) use his routine knowledge of flying the Mirage.

[@amjan]

Agreed!!!!

[@rogerhinman5427]

Hell yeah I wanna see more of this!

[@markfrombriz]

Love the way you cut the videos, after each shot, you transition to the third person view. Gives a really useful perspective