GRUBBY LOSES HIS MIND Over INVOKER - A to Z - Dota 2

[@sreeval2684]

you know the hero difficulty is very high when grubby's demo is 30++ minutes

[@lyonvensa]

I love how Grubby makes sure he understands everything about the hero first before diving in, unlike most gamers.

[@Warcraft2Reforged]

I should play Dota 2 as well.. Warcraft 3 isnt so active :D

[@trytonottoshit]

it's edited, it was much more than this. he also spent an hour in bots game to get used to it.

[@germanvoidz3658]

@@lyonvensa i think it's personal approach for different players, i usually played a new hero against bots (unfair, with only me on the team) to get used to the hero, i don't like spending much time in demo cuz it doesn't give you the understanding of movement and spell cooldowns really

[@Amoeby]

You know the hero difficulty is very high when it's called Invoker.

[@consentDracula]

"You're slowed by 160% why are you not moving backwards" has the same energy as "Healing the enemy when dealing negative damage"

[@victornguyen1175]

The curious part of it is that negative damage healing is actually how it works on Tabletop RPGs, though, so it does make sense if it were a lot of other games

[@purplefanta7142]

Funny enough, if you drop someone's into the negatives and hit Abaddon during his ult, it damages him. At least this used to be the case.

[@marcoballan4067]

@@purplefanta7142 i was about to point it out too! i see you're a man of culture as well

[@purplefanta7142]

@@marcoballan4067 Average mechanic enjoyer GIGACHAD

[@Nuvizzle]

Negative damage is actually how most triggered healing spells worked in dota1 since you couldn't make one unit heal another unit, so if you wanted to easily track the source of the healing you just make a unit deal negative damage instead. You could generically add HP but then you have to do a bunch of extra work to track the source of the healing. It's the same reason HP removal damage did not credit kills for a long time, like if someone died to Necro's aura it would just count as a suicide.

[@tni333]

40 minute demo, exactly what I expected for the Invoker video 😂

[@Joey-zi1xm]

Dota is the true moba of warcraft. I played Data as a WC3 mod map and it always felt like and still feels like I'm playing with the warcraft 3 feeling of the heroes. Also well done on first game of invoker he's very hard to use.

[@azriahmad7098]

"DoTA is the true MOBA of warcraft?" ... but DoTA really comes from W3 anyway... At least DoTA1 when it came out.

[@thacf23]

Lmao, just noticed that Invoker actually calls Chaos Meteor carnosphere (meatball)

[@konstantinriumin2657]

Amogosphere

[@xXTheKingEmothXx]

Sometimes he just goes 'Behold, meatball!!'

[@oleksiifilatov2021]

Midas actually is not about farming gold faster, but farming experience faster, for heroes like invoker level is the most important thing. Read descriptions of items to refresh your memories and getting new ideas. Good luck with your journey!

[@marus3953]

It's funny that they're mad because looking at how he plays it looks good. They didn't know it's his first time. I can see the panic he's in during the clash.

[@Petrichorscreen]

Watching Grubby playing invoker in the tutorial was an absolute delight! ❤ It took me back to 2014 when i first started trying invoker, (in which there was no training demo screen) and we had to figure out everything manually. 😂 Excellent reply man, its such a treat to watch you play this game. PS cold snap should be your go-to spell in the beginning, its a constant damage/stun. Hard to top that. Also tornado is a great initiator, must use more often. 👍

[@angelicdescent6276]

One of the standard ways to set up deafening blast is to have meteor on d and tornado on f, cast tornado, invoke deafening blast, cast meteor when the enemy is coming down from tornado, then cast deafening blast to push the enemies along the meteor's path as it comes down.

[@zuklar]

Best Invoker in the world here. You rocked! I hope this hero becomes your favourite.

[@franchellevanheerden]

The fact that you read the spells and understand what they do makes you better than 50% of the dota players already.

[@wizardddy3023]

Tip: For faster orb summoning, you can press 2 or 3 orbs at the same time. Let's say you want Chaos Meteor, then you press E+W at the same time and another E. Instead of pressing E, then E again, then W. You basically save 33% time required to set up your orbs for a new spell by doing 2 button presses instead of 3. For deafening blast you can press all 3 of them at the same time and save 66%. Sure, the time saves are tiny, but they add up and Dota is a game of small advantages adding up over time. You also wanna invoke that Ghost Walk as soon as possible a lot of the time to get away.

[@AlexSorush]

just imagine the first invoker game of the guy who called grubby autistic 🤣 Grubby I can't wait to see your invoker a few months in. You are a fucking beast dude.

[@charliekim3953]

Grubby the invoker build is usually a combination of two elements whether its QW (cold snap + emp), WE (tornado + meteor), or QE (ice wall + spirit) in the early game before picking the last element and combine every spells in midgame. Pick your talent according to your early combination. Item wise, the must have imo is midas to blink dagger (for positioning ur spell), aghs, and whatever follows depending on the game (aether lens to octarine, refresher, aeon disk, linken, bkb, hex schyte are common late game item for invoker). This hero is very versatile in mid while also useful as pos 4 roaming despite the lack of aoe stun. Cheers for the content xD

[@DiablozStyx]

Bro, first time invoker. This was insane gameplay. I dont pick the hero after so many years, because i never can remember or even do it in high stress situations.

[@fianjames6622]

I love that his viewers trick Grubby into thinking Bristleback is the third hardest hero

[@naphackDT]

One fun thing about invoker in warcraft3 was that whenever someone picked him, the game would go "loading invoker resources. This may take a while..." and freeze for a brief moment.

[@hisf1shness]

For the first game, you were phenomenal! I common theme in your fights here: you have so many options of what to cast, that's just overwhelming. So you stand next to the fight and do nothing. Focus on on some key teamfight spells (tornado, meatball, deafening blast) and just spam those 3 into the fight. At least you deal damage and practice those 3 at the same time. Your remaining stuff is awesome, you use coldsnap very well. Avoid using the meatball for farming since the CD is so long and a fight might be just around the corner. Keep it up, you rock, awesome content!

[@heysamuelhere2733]

I am very satisfied with the thumbnail. Thank you! xD

[@nerdy6250]

Actually a good "demo" for invoker, there is also a custom game you can find in dota 2 arcade tab called "Invokation" which teaches you different spell combos and the levels they can be used etc. Really good for practice there are basic 2 spell combos all the way up to all 10 spells + refresher orb so the combos can get really crazy😄

[@vallecend6855]

This is perhaps the best first-time beginner Invoker gameplay I've seen. Good job!

[@wizardddy3023]

"First thing I'm gonna do when I respawn is throw a Cataclysm to see where they are." Me, having map awareness: They are in their triangle. ...obviously xD

[@339blaster]

the amount of backseat from chat in this game lol

[@wizardddy3023]

Tornado and deafening blast would own Willow every time she fades away, but you do you xD

[@NerdGlassGamingPA]

Tornado ( or euls) + sun strike + Meteor + D. Blast. When you get the timing down this is a great combo, you can follow it up with Ice Wall or Cold Snap + Forge Spirit ( or open with these and then combo the slow guy)

[@pierre9435]

It's so good to see how fast you progress ! Keep the good work !

[@elbryanero6392]

The clip where Miracle beats that invi jugger at TI7 is simply a must watch. Chat is right about that

[@aqeDs]

"Get ready your toothbrush"😂

[@randymartin9040]

Pretty good for first time Invoker, but holy crap those midlane sunstrikes were triggering lmao. Wanted somehow to go back in time and be able to tell him not to

[@consistentialist]

They don't know what ethereal blade is and they're flaming a beginner invo. DotA II players truly living up to the name!

[@Dracowinges]

You know it's going to be a good video when the first reaction to seeing the skills is 'what the f is going on here'. One of if not The hardest heroes to play, lets see how it goes.

[@AeneasMTG]

Big fan from WCIII days! I know it was the first game and all, so props for trying out such a hard hero. Just a reminder though, invoker has a lot of CC so its really helpful in team fights to use cold snap, tornado and deafening strike. Which can also lead into a nice meatball finisher.

[@Stelphy876]

That Sun strike on all other heroes is just like in the game Smite with Nu Wa she has an ult that does a meteor on all heroes and is always abused as a way to kill off all heroes that are on low hp.

[@ianchristianoliva1785]

For a 1st time using invoker. You we’re better 90% of the people who tried it 1st, keep up the good content grubby!

[@SuperPoier]

as someone who was on invoker leaderboards, you did well man :D ignore the haters

[@loongjee]

this was the best first invoker play dude, my first invoker was terrible

[@xnick_uy]

Ah! The video has extra blank time added so the outcome of the match is not spoiled. Clever edition!!

[@igrixaskifyouwill5605]

It is so funny how in low elo, the more carries you have in team the biggest chances of you to win, while in pro scene 1-2 late game carries per team is enough :D

[@equilibrium_69]

I haven't played invoker since 2008, this is giving me PTSD but in a fun way XD

[@ThomasUfnalCrowlake]

Grubby, you are truly an amazing player and preparer and e-sportsman. First Invoker game looking like this? Madness!

[@richardursua7332]

Grubby if u mid make sure you control the vision, with Observer and make sure to de-ward their vision for your advantage. Vision will make you safe win the lane and get the runes before your oponent.

[@CaptainFirefred]

More suspense than any Michael Bay movie, although they got he smart-a## yapping veterean spot-on. I give it a 5/5 because I never knew who'd win.

[@jonlopez4105]

Team must have been so frustrated. Soaked up all the farm and then had no spells ready every fight.

[@purplefanta7142]

Great game grubby, just some feedback. Deafening blast would have countered willow a ton this game. If she wasnt in the game you would have won regardless, she seemed like a smurf. But thats also part of learning invoker, you wont always think of all of his spells, incredible job for a first game. The biggest pain of streaming dota is going to be the snipers. I hope you try Abaddon out again sometime, he was my main that carried me to 5k mmr while playing out of meta builds. I built him core as a dps/tank, it's hard to deal with due to his purge on shield and ult giving invuln. You can cast his ult right before big bursts in fights for best effect rather than waiting for the 400 hp pop, or for purging a long disable.

[@striderhiryu7634]

idk why watching Grubby makes me think he's an alternate reality version of Waga ~

[@gamesnstuff657]

This is DAMN impressive for a couple hours of practicing the spells. Blows my first invoker game out of the water and I practiced him even more against bots....

[@SirMcAwesome]

This is infinitely better than my first invoker game.

[@blackstreak02]

im KEKL whenever the sky types something

[@Пень1Бук1]

Invoker is not a difficult hero if you don't show off trying to get all your skills in 5 seconds. In Dota 1 they often played, tornado or cold snap, meteor, “banana”. Well, keep your pulse on invisibility just in case. Tinker and Ark Warden are many times more difficult. Now Dazzle has joined this gang. where you need to have 6 active slots and jump around the map during epileptic seizures

[@zanagi]

I think there used to be a Dota2 Custom game for Invoker Practice minigame. it was pretty fun

[@calebhartz]

Incredible game play for first try. Couldnt ask for a better warm up game ;)

[@Dar1vetra]

Wow! I should have this time to watch this. Cuz u Grubby is my favourite player since I tried to be a pro in wc3 in your prime time. As well as Im invoker spammer last 3 years:))) Oh, I just started to watch and u know what? 3:53 moment is a great presentation why you are so great and smart:) Really this comes to most of invokers with a lot of expirience and you.. WOW... this is the 1st you understand and this is incredibly important if you wanna be good invo:) no words, so impressive

[@Shilag]

Man, this is so impressive for your first game on Invoker. Many people don't play this well on their 20th game on the hero. I'm really looking forward to you learning and playing these more complicated heroes more in the future. Shame two of your teammates were assholes that lacked all self-awareness, and another was clearly new.

[@SandroWernado01]

amazing play for first time invoker! but why did you keep randomly using cataclysm off cooldown? xD

[@majkatrojedjece6585]

I play both heroes and inovker is much harder to play once you learn both heroes well. With meepo u can make bind for each one, like 1,2,3,4,5 and also make bind for all meepos but also for all but one, like alt-1 is all except 1, and alt-2 is all except 2. So when num 2 is attacked you press 2 and move away and alt-2 to slect others to peel for 2. Also that setup is good for blink combo etc... meepo really has only 1 build with small variations. And every game is almost the same in how you play it, clear lane with poof go double stack jungle in between, clear it, get as much agi and blink fast, blink on their carry head as soon as posible dont let them any map control, win game before 25min because late game you are not good as other carries.

[@Steve-up4jq]

30:10 he planned so hard about his item then straight up dropped 30 meteors.

[@Steve-up4jq]

Hey Grub! You really did great for a first timer. One simple thing to take note if you ever planning to play Invoker again, If you think a teamfight is about to happen, clear your thoughts and put only 2 spells in your mind. Tornado to set the fight up and to help your team to setup as well, and Meteor to do impactful AoE damage. Then you can use whatever spells you think fit. Do not overload your memory with these spells. You'll overcome it by the time goes by. But for now, Teamfight = Tornado and Meteor.

[@richardsamola7297]

lucky for us the order doesn't affect the spell now. early when it is still in WC3 mods, invoker had like lots of skill cause the order of your QWE affect your invoke. like QQW is different from QWQ or WQQ

[@vesae2676]

40min demo mode, this is the content I came in here for!

[@notreallyablessing7536]

Yeah first game. Always tough. One thing I’d tell you that you should focus one: be aware of what your team is doing all the time. That’ll improve you the most, other than playing through all the heroes (you are improving with lightning speed. Thousand times faster than me back in the day. It’s awesome to watch)

[@drb4074]

It's not possible to have high map awareness when learning a new character. This is how human minds work. Which is why when you are new to something, you will be measurably bad at everything else except the thing you are currently learning. Until you master it, and then move on to the next part, repeat and repeat. He doesn't need this advice. He has thousands of hours in MOBAs like WC and HoTS. Watch other players of MOBAs, thousands of hours in the game. If they switch to a new champion to learn, the rest of their game suffers. Because you only have so much extra space in your active brain to focus on things. When learning a new champ, it takes up an inordinate amount of your brainpower. So you have much less to devote to all the other important things like "map awareness". God bless him for having to put up with backseaters treating him like he's a complete n00b to gaming. He was a professional champion in WC for goodness' sake...

[@notreallyablessing7536]

@@drb4074 Jesus Christ, you act like I put him down in my post. Relax for a second and read again.

[@drb4074]

@@notreallyablessing7536 first, don't take the Lord's name in vain. Second, you sure are sensitive for being an asshole that's telling a former professional player how to videogame.

[@12MYCRYL17]

Imagine if the people who knew 10 spell invoker and then played the Original Invoker with 27 kekw

[@maxjakobsson8491]

mans playing like a herald 2 when hes herald 1, very impressive..

[@francisjosephcutamora8530]

Grubbys laning stage is so flawless

[@aleksejaleksejenko8035]

Im crying :( All buttons pressed to the air. And running under rapture. 🤧 But it will come) Maybe if he keeps meteor for damaging heroes , not creaps snd air. And using cataclizm with 90 sek cd under tornado , so he can deal at least some dmg. And he can prbly spam tornado+emp . And gost fpr 1400 gold fixing all problems against most of enemy pick. And yeah with blink and bkb he can jump on them and make hes cast. Also he need to know , that he can stack creeps , using hes forge spirit , during laining... and then farm it by meteor (but the right way, so 1 meteor killing full stack of creeps). He can bind spirits and map on buttons. He can making more combos with goldsnap and other skills. And sometimes alacrity on pa can win the game) But yeah u need to have some experience , to using blink on Voker in the right way. Otherwise its 4vs5

[@rafaelcardenas5225]

10:58 star craft moment xd

[@jackmatheus]

For first game, is a miracle

[@h0212cp]

Its funny watch you got ruptured and you just walking around hahaha😂

[@rizi2463]

U can use tornado if u want disengage and then ghost walk, so u get more time

[@jannocordova14]

Long Live the Warchief Grubsters!

[@chuluunbatbatzorig9733]

Very good plays bro ! I would love to see you doing a stream with Miracle teaching you how to play as an Like him 😅😊 good luck further ❤

[@Gorillic]

Bristleback is literally 2 spell faceroll hero, idk if you trolling or got trolled but... in this patch you do aghs &vg & heart and you are invincible faceroller.

[@bryancorona7754]

Yo grubby. If you wanna remember alacrity, its wwe because its used to wrestle with opponents(right click)

[@YorinSenpai]

My guy you know how to run very well, and as we can see you like a lot to farm. I really recommend you play with HC.

[@andrettaibnunugroho325]

Invoker does have everything lmao

[@MattY-mp2rd]

Dude Grubby is really talented!

[@RealMajorKaza]

Fun fact: for old Invoker order of orbs mattered

[@MoONSHO7]

Used to play this guy in Dota1 and strictly just cast ghostwalk, alacrity and cold snap. Used to delete players in a few hits haha

[@Rakshiir]

Learning all the spells isn't easy. Learning the combo potential of those spells would be next. Remembering those in clutch situations... Invoker is a hero with so much potential, but you have to learn alot in comparison, you also have to play him alot to get used to his rather unique playstyle.

[@raifthemad]

I loaded the hero up in a singleplayer mode, just to see what it does when it first came out. As I do with all heroes. And then never clicked on it again :D

[@Alexandterrara]

if the team wasnt that toxic i reckon he could have won XD

[@pezdispencer113]

Invoker isn't the hardest hero in the game. He's the hero with the hardest learning curve. In fact the wide range of spells available means you pretty much always have the right tool available to you. It just takes a lot more time to build up your muscle memory and instinct on the hero compared to others.

[@titusoneten6456]

I find meepo 100x harder than voker. once you memorize the spells its pretty easy

[@tomlee3643]

you did the exact opposite thing i did on my first game of invoker, on my first game i just kept spamming tornado but with no following spells XD

[@AndresDavidCalvache]

This is the hero i was waiting for lol

[@devilmouse8246]

Hey Grubby! I would recommend for a bit playing QW invoker. This makes you a good ganker, but less farmer. And its simple for a mid game. Usually it is tornado emp coldsnap vessel order of skills. Btw your ghost walk becomes super fast

[@drb4074]

He's only playing champs one time, then moving on. It's an A to Z challenge.

[@The_Radio_Check]

i actively avoid playing invoker and meepo and this man's already better than me after one game :)

[@NTTTTTT52]

that chat is insufferable my god

[@ExpertPeeb]

another of my favorite heroes love it

[@illumination_0109]

Idk but if we re talking bout difficulties I think earth Spirit is probably the hardest every single spell is straight skill shot no aim or targets

[@Archphoenix1]

back in the old days, invoker had 27 spells because the order of the invoke counted too. that was nearly 20 years ago

[@cal8338]

MAN and remembering all those legacy keys 🤯🤯🤯

[@mattlars89]

Loving how you immerse yourself in Dota :) Invoker might be a really fun hero for you too master, challenging. but when you learn how to cycle your spells, oh boy this guy fucks. (Meteor talent at lvl 20 is absolutely busted btw)

[@5RustyBin]

you did well - one observation - moving items to your stash isnt the same as selling them - you didnt actually sell the null + wand and could have had octarine quicker

[@cheekychim]

Can't sell items when dead.

[@madisonking8057]

Did really well farming but had like no impact outside of split pushing. Decent first job tho.

[@somersault4762]

Really great micro. The more complex a hero is the better you play. You just have to understand a little more the path of the game. Often times you are still farming while it is time for battling. That's what your teammates complained as we well about. You should have sticked closer to WK and use as well Alacity on him. PA lost game for you tbh. Really nice escapes as well. I like Eye Of Skadi on Invoker. Shiva is as well nice. Not sure if Blademail is really the best pick.

[@davidel6469]

so it has the same habilities as hwei but its way more complicated to use him...maybe they could update that

[@geraldbantolino3475]

Kael'thas reincarnation is better here than Warcraft.

[@not_my_name5200]

Throughout the aeons I have been known by many names…but my true name of power…is Carl

[@mateomoreno331]

The time has come

[@nbhage2178]

Yo Grubby... Watch Invokers Raging Fury series. Its a bit late in the party... But I was inspired by that series to play this hero...

[@PromethorYT]

If this is your first invoker game damn you played well! If you play him often you would be feared haha :) Im sure no one on you're team would have done so well on their first invoker game. Respect.

[@Kalabanano]

Morphling is definitely the most difficult hero in the game. Only players below 5k actually think Invoker is difficult.