I finally played this 30 YEAR OLD game. Warcraft 1, where it all began!

[@Oxazepam65]

Good things to remember when trying Warcraft 1: - Archers are op - Catapults are even more op - Water elements... overpowered is an understatement - Your worst ennemies are bridge and narrow paths - Peon are stricly non-violent. They won't use their axe against nothing but trees. - In modern RTS, long distance mining is a desperate move. In Warcraft 1, it's the intended way to mine. - Injured orcs are injured forever. - Don't waste gold or build too many peons, there is a very limited amount on the map. I had a great time replaying this game for the first time after more than 25 years. It is the game that got me into RTS. It should be seen for what it is: a piece of video game history. It's like looking at a car from 1900.

[@killertruth186]

Orcs has no healers until Warcraft 3. But you are completely correct. Also, once your town hall/great hall is destroyed there's no building it back up. Although from my experience only the AI can rebuild town hall/great hall. Which it is completely unfair.

[@xardasmonke5506]

@@killertruth186 shut up

[@theMagos]

@@killertruth186 You can rebuild it, it's only available if destroyed. And you can't choose where, it's always in the same spot.

[@astovar23]

Also this is not Sim City, roads are only for placing buildings and nothing else, don't go overspending on them.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

This was also my first RTS, probably the first game I remember playing in general.

[@cis22]

Warcraft 1 is such an old game that the sight range of Warcraft 2's towers, zeppelins, and flying machines feel like technology from the far future.

[@klentir4620]

At 35:28 when grubby restarts an orc mission it plays a human mission briefing. I like how he states spearmen are OP and then the next mission makes a ton of grunts and 2 or 3 spearmen. Also he's wrong about the music. I can sing a warcraft 1 or 2 song. I can't sing a warcraft 3 song to save my life because it's all just ambience.

[@ericstaples7220]

Originally, the tavern scenes during mission briefing had some animation, but are just static images in the remaster.

[@testitestmann8819]

The units move faster diagonally than when moving left/right/up/down, someone forgot to normalise their vectors, lol.

[@TouristAarchie]

doom 2 running :)

[@Ilko]

I'm one of those few who played original Warcraft and enjoyed it for what it is. While War1R is totally playable, seeing the clearly rushed release not live up to its potential is rather sad. Some summary of the big issues: • Missing "Replay Introduction" button from the main menu. It also can play automatically in the original after some time if you stay in the main menu doing nothing: game either replays the cinematic or shows one of the few replays like War2. • Upscale of the cinematic itself is quite awful with noticeable visual artifacts. • Missing Multiplayer for two players. While very basic and therefore requiring reimplementation from scratch, it's still the part of the original game that should be present. • In-game visuals themselves were based on the raw 320x200 (16:10) while in fact it should be 320x240 (4:3) achieved via tall pixels. Grubby mentioned it on the stream, but still. Ideally, there should be an option to switch between two aspect ratios. • Missing animated elements in briefings, victory/defeat screen and endings. Briefings supposed to have animated characters alongside some room decorations with 3D map of the land at the end showing your progress throughout the war, victory/defeat screen load in your stats gradually and there's a small window with a scene playing. Endings particularly suffered from this simplified reimplementation as they straight up ditched the first scene (it should have two), which is animated one. This also completely ruins their passing. • No option for the original mouse control. This is just silly since all versions of Warcraft 2 have that, but not War1R. I would also argue that having an option to force the original unit selection limit would've been great to reenable some of the '"challenge" the original had. • In general, the remaster also lacks certain QoL features and settings options such as customizable hotkeys. I would actually recommend Grubby to try going through the same three missions in the original Orcs & Humans in the future. Just to see what it's like in the comparison.

[@eleos11]

Wow your analysis is very interesting. I own the original games on the GOG Galaxy platform. Is it better to play these games there, or the reforged versions are better in your opinion? I would be really grateful for an answer.

[@Ilko]

@@eleos11 If you simply grabbed the newest Battle Chest because it's a good deal and you have thoughts like "I have it, so might as well be done with it quickly", then War1R & War2R are quite alright. For a more faithful and immersive experience, both remasters are currently halted by inaccuracies, unfortunate differences (likely due to lack of time and resources, but who the hell knows) and lacking additions here and there. All of which would be more evident if you played those games before.

[@lsg404]

also, the mission with the Tower bugged out for me so I can't progress with the campaign xD minor QoL issue...

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Notice how the original game audio clearly says "Swamps of Sorrow", but the text says "Swamp of Sorrows" because they changed the name in WoW.

[@ValensBellator]

I cannot tell you how much I loved this game as a young kid even though I could never beat it. Hooked me to Warcraft for life. I used to read the game manuals of Warcraft 2 & 3 just for fun 😂

[@hughming]

Apparently Blackhand does not want his daughter Griselda's DNA to be contaminated by Ogre DNA. Maybe that is a good thing, depends on how good or bad Ogre's DNA is.

[@jd8606]

This brings me back to my childhood 😢 Wc1 is a defensive game. It's better to bolster an army first and then attack once you have enough fire power. Catapults are crazy for both sides. Humans have water elemental and orc have demon summon. Those are basically the best units in the game you save up for and then wreck a city

[@angun703]

Saw the warchiefs daughter with turok, its ogre the horde has fallen

[@rancidiot]

I remember writing to blizzard to make warcraft 2 when I played wc1

[@boskee]

I remember emailing Glenn Stafford in the mid 2000s to thank him for composing the soundtrack of my childhood - WC2 soundtrack. He replied back :)

[@DieBieneFranz]

:D How did you feel back then when warcraft 2 came out?

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

That's so rad. I still remember them teasing WarCraft 3 in one of the later WC2 cd cases

[@CalciumChief]

People might not even realize they've actually changed stuff for these remasters, bigger control groups, abilities give actual description what they do other than you figuring it out and while the game speed change was there, I don't know if it's faster now. The biggest thing in the first Warcraft is the addition of being able to move the map with mouse freely. Oh yeah, OG DOS version you had to select a uint, press M and then you could even scroll around. What it seems people miss as well is that you can get original War1 and War2 as well. They had those on GOG since like 2019, but brought them over to Battlenet back in like Janurary (also Diablo 1), most likely for this 30th anniversary. If you do buy the battle chest, you get those as well, so technically, five games. This actually makes it easy for comparisons, fire remaster and original, type in some cheats and see what's different.

[@jonteguy]

ngl, I kinda like the idea of only being able to build where you have roads. It stops a lot of cheese that exist in modern RTS.

[@trololkhil9868]

dune 2/2000 says hi lol.

[@Gizzy411]

Roads are probably a little suffocating, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea if you can only build a certain disrance from a town hall since buildings need to be supplied with food, lumber, liquor, supplies, whatever

[@pho3nix-]

This is a legacy from Dune II - the proto-RTS

[@jamesschultz2039]

C&C games at your service

[@matthieupillet5616]

@@Gizzy411kinda like undead have blight that limits them « not including skull »

[@kdog3908]

Wow...This takes me way back. Playing against friends by using a modem and directly connecting to their computer by ringing them up! Fun times!

[@whatdothlife4660]

I remember frantically unplugging the PC from the phone jack in Diablo II Hardcore if I had a lag spike.

[@l3nn0x]

1994. most likely 95. by the time the game arrived where I live. I was 12. In my mind, the game felt and looked like as the Remastered version today. I fell in love with the "Warcraft" universe ever since.

[@danicela]

Thank you for these moments. You almost lost mission 1 and 2, lost mission 3, and you are a War3 pro gamer :D Searching a lot of time for the gold mine in mission 3, that's an mission objective itself :D Imagine poor little guys in 1994, often discovering what even a RTS game is. And without all the Remaster's Quality of Life features. That game is freaking hard !

[@JustinAndrews76]

Good micro, nice use of peons. It triggered me when you built on the roads tho lmao

[@jasosik]

never played wc1. but i love that i recognize those orc buildings in outland area in wow. its amazing.

[@ValensBellator]

Allowing us to select more than 4 units at once was all I needed to declare this remake a success 😂

[@Quirriff]

You can RE-build a Town Hall, it's under advanced structures. It's also not perfectly symmetrical, Spearmen have more HP and less range. I should mention that Warcraft 3 is deliberately imperfectly symmetrical not A-symmetrical.

[@uzico]

W1 remaster is truly good. Was like going back in time, just in HD.

[@arohk4415]

See, Orcs were always Evil.

[@wispbartdev1121]

Warcraft 2 was a pretty straight upgrade of Warcraft 1. These remasters are built on the same new engine (called simply warcraft-rts), so now they're even more similar. I personally think the new graphics are more generic and less charming than the original ones, but that's also nostalgia speaking. What I think is a real shame is that the engine is pretty barebones and doesn't have any support for animated briefings, victory/defeat screens, or the 3d map animation that the original had.

[@Ideataster]

Yeah unfortunately some things get lost when migrating from DOS games. Blizz likely didn't want to invest TOO MUCH time/money into it to recreate those elements, but who knows maybe the rts team will patch it down the line.

[@wispbartdev1121]

@Ideataster Based on the credits, the RTS team appears to be three people. I kinda doubt we can expect too much from them except fixing the most obvious bugs.

[@benismann]

actually the remaster looks wrong, because there was some stretching in the original and it was accounted for, which is why u see no squares in the video, only rectangles. They were supposed to be stretched to squares....

[@CalciumChief]

@@wispbartdev1121 I'm pretty sure it's gonna go to the classics team to maintain these games now (not that there's much to do) and they've already got like eight other games to keep running, so doubt it will ever get updated. Maybe for 35th anniversary.

[@wispbartdev1121]

@@benismann that is another problem that shows the lack of care and attention to detail!

[@RelKier_is_jdude]

All attacks have 20~40% chance to miss. Buildings require having road at distance of 1 and building at distance of 2

[@skolar6425]

That bloopers at the end were so cool😂. You should do this more often.

[@ohjajaja]

Especially if you skip back to the beginning and realize how he "started it for the very first time" lol

[@jakobnordgren8020]

This is the best warcraft game, just finished it again. Now playing wc2 campaign, but nothing beats the original. Wish they could make games like this again.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Same

[@elerius2]

Your soundcard works perfectly!

[@Lumbersnacks82]

When you hear the words in your head 😆

[@theMagos]

@@Lumbersnacks82 It's actually in the sound settings. Nice retro.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

_SOUNDBLASTER_

[@catbert7]

OMG I had completely forgotten how WC1 looked and played; it's so brutal xD

[@ericstaples7220]

At 8:28 you clicked to build a barracks, but your peon had its pathing blocked by your questionable farm layout. Then, you assigned that peon to wood cutting.

[@kala1780]

8:40 "couldnt they have come up with more different voicelines than just duplicating..." well no, those 4 voicelines probably took more space than the rest of the game code. And the install was probably still 5-10 discettes and a whopping 100mb of size :p

[@Slice1985]

Are you crazy? You cant get 100MB on 10diskettes ! You'd need about 70 of them to do that.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

There's a reason why everything had super-compressed audio back then. even on "next gen" at the time consoles like N64 and PS1.

[@kala1780]

@@Slice1985 well, I couldnt remember the correct mb amounts anymore. 100mb sounds so low, but there was games in 10+ discette installs if im not misremembering

[@DeltaCentauri]

about roads - not C&C. Dune 2000 has the similar mechanics

[@dean4125]

Warcraft 2 was my first real time strategy game when I was 13 years old in 1995. I played Warcraft 1 right after i first tried warcraft 2 in my 7th grade computer class.

[@enmarecordings]

I was 14 at that time, had a great time with it. The voices are like Yoda on steroids, haha

[@mickcraftgaming]

Vary nice Grubby! Make sure you try it with TALL PIXELS next time though 😎

[@samjacintho]

Wow!! Units walk so fast these days! They were soooo slow back in the days, compared with Warcraft 2.

[@beornyondur4594]

really bothers me that he builds on the roads

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Grubby is an alien trying to figure out how the concept of roads work.

[@pho3nix-]

They said the thing!

[@shane87smith]

Sprearmen and Demons are all you need in the game. Catapults are OP as well

[@BlazeHN]

52:33 As a latin american, hearing this was sooo funny hahaha xD luv you Grubby, please play HotS more often, they are patching it surprisingly frecuently now.

[@Ideataster]

I'd love to see him try playing Warcraft 1 with the original controls. :p No right clicking, using move commands and arrow keys...it's certainly an interesting experience.

[@DaWombatGaming]

@40:07 definitely normal for there to be input lag in WC1. I remember how unresponsive the game felt to me when I first played it from a floppy disc in 2005. I'd already played/seen WC3 by then, but I was mesmerized by how ancient this game felt. It's as old as I am!!! A whole game fit on this funky computer cartridge thing?

[@whatdothlife4660]

Oh wow the remastered graphics look great!

[@theMagos]

It's kinda sad some elements of wc1 didn't make it to wc2, like bridges, indoor missions and unique hero visuals.

[@AHeinermann]

In og WC1 there were no control groups, ordered units to move with left click, and could only select a maximum of 4 units at a time. It did have 1v1 multiplayer which this is lacking though.

[@Quirriff]

It used to be that you could tell what was being built/trained/researched by looking at the bottom of the screen it would say stuff life "training a grunt".

[@Cogbyrn]

I, too, lost the first mission (Human campaign). I laughed out loud when it happened.

[@agustinre6309]

Amazing game! I really hope they release a patch to bring back the option to play LAN parties, just like the original. Back then, it was possible to play 1v1 in LAN mode. Adding some way to enjoy multiplayer again would be fantastic!

[@kmvoss]

The way he immediately builds on top of the road in such an unintuitive manner is just a little sus for a first play. ;)

[@twosidesbaked8689]

in UI it says Lumber Mill you were not wrong, once you build it it becomes just a mill

[@kevinking596]

Can't believe you haven't played this guess I'm just older than you

[@johanstrang4373]

Oh come on grubby, you just had to mention ur 5 ways sc2 broke ur heart. So had to paus and rewatch it. Then u said in it how fun u had cheesing as protoss. So now I'm rewatching ESL 2013, first ur game vs MVP and now vortix. Gg man, ur the GOAT.

[@GillesLouisReneDeleuze]

why is spearman called spearman instead of spearorc

[@cdgncgn]

Spearwielder :D

[@pho3nix-]

Syndicate Wars was great btw

[@cdgncgn]

later missions are free unit spam, saw both walkthroughs, something not in WII, though those free units did end up in W3 interestingly as very limited editions. Never played War1 myself.

[@Bobknucklesdave]

You build four farms before a barracks? Also do retail 3v3 arena in WoW. Be a healer for insta pops in shuffle

[@Robert_Shmigelsky]

I feel like they should have put in extra units in the game, which would have given me more incentive to buy the games after having played them relatively recently on GoG. I remember Westwood adding units to Dune 2000 once when they updated the game, which was cool.

[@rhodry81]

I played both Syndicate and wc back when they came. Syndicate was very hard when i was a kid. Then when i started to understand it was not that hard anymore. 😂

[@TheDudeFlows]

U just finisched this one with both sides. I am starting WCII from the start. It my childhood all over again. Btw tip dont put the buildings on the road :P But next to it.

[@kelarosoulreaver9041]

I hope you finish it! Would love to see the rest

[@OcarinaofTime98]

13:30 he literally does nothing for a full minute here. Spend your gold dude!

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

From memory of some other WarCraft I video (many years pre-Remaster) that I saw on KZbin, the original music was way worse in sound, being some cheesy MIDI implementation, so it seems that the Remaster must have resynthesized it. Or maybe it's ust that whoever made the other video didn't have a MIDI driver with a good innate sound generation capability.

[@tariqramadan1521]

warlocks are op with their daemons

[@samuelfraser8922]

Spark plugs!

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

It cracks me up seeing high level players get annihilated at my first RTS game. Kid me from 1997ish would school Grubby and have the chat without effort :)

[@Maardag]

More plz more warcraft 1 plz ^^

[@undignified2843]

Ahhh back when Blizzard understood good and evil.

[@johnsonliu94]

Grubtors rise up!

[@TomášTichovský]

Anyone experienced that the game doesn't remember the advance in the campaign? I've played several missions and after quitting the game it sets me back to the first mission and the progression is gone (both campaigns). When I try to save in game it says "An error occured while trying to save". I've tried to uninstall the game and install it again, but it didn't help. My patch is 1.0.0.2148.

[@ElvenSpellmaker]

The new menus on WC1 and WC2 look so jank compared to the originals.

[@yonatanrojas6453]

i playing warcraft 1 and 2 again with remastered too❤

[@azztek9682]

Where can I get that wallpaper you have Grubby?

[@checkfortunnels]

Orcs ain't about racemixing.

[@forethoughtx2846]

work work

[@mennebe]

kid, it began from UO

[@vodkavecz]

My first serious game ever was Warcraft 2. And I say the mechanics there still hold up. WC1 tho? It's very clunky. Sure it was one of the first rts ever, and should be regarded with praise. But let's be realistic, and see how dated it is, without mechanics added to later rts games. I felt the same way when I bought the C&C collection, and started with the original game. And then small things came up, like no unit queu, have to build every rifleman click by click. And loading a transport have to be done unit by unit, can't command the group to board, yeah those small things made it less enjoyable (the C&C remaster added functions like these, so that's cool). I wonder if Blizzard will care enough to add QoL functions like these to WC1 and 2 remasters (like I think WC2 didn't get shift clicking, having that would be nice too)

[@dimbe4122]

lazy remake...looks like it was made by AI, the animation at each intro mission screen was removed and the portraits are upscaled incorrectly (not accounting for tall pixels effect)

[@DFK24]

I honestly think that the missing videos are a mistake, the game files contain all the old cutscenes

[@frango_e_salada]

We have the same monitor 🙂

[@rjelavic]

You are making the same mistakes bronze league heroes make: too much peons, not spending resources on time... :D

[@DjZephy]

Now I'm just upset that you waited this long to play WC1. I had no idea you never played it until recently, how is this possible?

[@kennyzlo9626]

looks like dune 2 lol

[@Refirrus]

The music is mediocre and voice lines are repetitive, because the game was originally released on floppy discs. Check out how "much" storage they have ;)

[@thomask5434]

i tried WC1 after i played WC2 back in the day and it was not really funny. It missed so many things, that are necessary and standard these days.

[@Scypher0th]

i JUST bought the warcraftr 1 and 2 collection from GoG. Blizz is forcing them to take down the originals because of this shit remake....i refuse to give this company a single drop of money

[@Milaber]

you paid money for this?

[@martind5653]

mooore

[@MrLTiger]

the briefings are not even animated anymore? lazy.

[@mxvnchiiild]

nice spanish

[@vexienroe]

WIthout the animation on the mission intros its just worse, cartoon backdrop no beuno

[@GreySectoid]

The remastered edition looks horrible in my opinion. C&C and Red Alert remasters were excellent, this is half-assed.

[@monocerotis6917]

Dont play Warcraft2 remaster that was more bad then orginal game!! The could do so much better with that one! Alot of nostalgi

[@ИосифЛуна]

Hi! Can You please tell what is wrong with WC2 remaster? i`ve bought but didn`t tried out yet