GT BMX catalog differences on production bikes

[@monkist]

Tony, this is amazing! Love the insights and the attention to detail you present them with! Thank you!

[@atrains]

Glad you liked the video! I probably could have kept going into 91, 92 and 93 but to be honest the catalogs started getting more accurate as the years went on. I’m also not an expert on mid 90’s GT and Dyno. I figured I would stay in my lane. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@monkist]

@@atrains that is what you do best, I even dare to say you know it best - and that is why we are here 😉

[@hirthirthirt1693]

There are some obscure versions. I, for example, have seen a single-bend day-glow red....I never saw this color ever again. the GT wholeseller in Austria had it between all the other GT bikes. Also, I thnk there were a dozne of pink to lavender-colors available...at least for the seatposts

[@cheapciggies]

Fascinating, very informative not only on the errors but also on the parts involved. I want a bubble font chain now! 🤘🤘🤘

[@atrains]

The bubble font logo chain you see in the video was custom made by me for Michael Fockler. He supplied me with 3 chains so I could harvest the GT logo links from them to make a 100% complete GT logo chain. The reason this is required is because each chain only contains less than half of the links with the logo and the rest are blank. There is a video I made on the restoration process. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn-rlGmfe7SKetEsi=y1_Wj66GKzTObL2n Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@cheapciggies]

Wow, will watch that...yes i went straight over to Ebay...not cheap! I have a midschool GT i very recently bought, but am a rider from the 80s' (54). I'd almost forgotten what a fantastic hobby all things bmx was and now still is with you and your fellow youtubers content and passion. So cool. Fun resto times ahead for us all. 👌🤘

[@coldcrush9]

I like the blank face sprocket vs the wing logo

[@Razzal00]

You are so informative and your circles are the best

[@atrains]

You love my circles! Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

Great info as usual. Keep up the good work brother! 😎

[@marcusripley1943]

Can you do a video on the 84&85 GT freestyle bikes, love your video's thanks. I had a Maui blue and white 85 performer, not the pro that I got for Christmas. Couldn't get my parents to spend the extra money for the pro. Stay RAD

[@atrains]

It’s on my list, just need to find the time.

[@dosgos]

Parts suppliers continually changed (especially brakes IME). Those changes might be for better performance, reduced cost, parts shortages, new parts suppliers, etc.

[@MorbidThrasher666]

Nice details! I also forgot the pft had the gen 1 forkstanders in that 1 pic,good eyes👍

[@hirthirthirt1693]

The early single-bend-Performers and World Tours are the the most iconic....the S-Bend was nothing but a lack of new ideas

[@atrains]

Well that’s certainly your opinion and you are entitled to it. I’m basing my opinion on the sheer number of 1987 PFT that are restored and built up on the BMXMUSEUM, Fatlip BMX, Harvester BMX, C4 labs, Ernie’s and others. Heck I’ve got 5 S-Bend frames. Especially the DGP. It was said that Eddie wanted the single bend frame as they were pretty much riding the Mach 1 for a freestyle bike before the Performer. Gary didn’t even think it would be strong enough according to Eddie’s account. Thank goodness Gary went for it. The rest is history. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@jbw9999]

Good video! We need more like it. Those catalog errors sure make things difficult. Your video starts off with the 1986 catalog but it would be great if you could look at earlier years. The video mentions next year models being available the previous year (like cars). I had a Mach One that I got Christmas 84, but it was an 84 model (which was the first year). The 85 had several component changes. I know mostly how mine came equipped but sometimes I look for a few minor details that I just can't remember, but considering the catalog discrepancies, it's difficult. And my photos from back then aren't good enough quality to tell. I also think GT (and all companies) would just occasionally use different parts (and slight design differences), depending on supply issues, especially since other companies made many of the components a bike company used, even if it was branded with the bike companies name. I also noticed some of the GT bikes at bmxmuseum seem to be labeled the wrong year. Perhaps people assumed that their bike was the model year of the year they bought it. Or perhaps it was just because GT equipped them differently even for the same year. Of course the owner(s) could have swapped parts too.

[@atrains]

@@jbw9999 yes this is a huge problem for many people because they see the serial number like 1087xxxxx and assume it’s a 1987 and was a 1987 model. I have a 1087 PFTTM that is 100% a 1988 by color, decals, parts used etc. That is going to be an upcoming video. As for the pre 1986 catalogs. I have a 1982 or 1983 catalog but I have never seen a 1984 or 1985 before with my own eyes. I can’t make a video on something if I don’t have the evidence to support it. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@jasonyambor8653]

Thank you that was very informative

[@jacksonfive5478]

Red dyno pro compe is awesome

[@atrains]

Yes it is. The bike was made by BMXMUSEUM member Dynotherium. bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=711744 It was made to mimic the Dyno catalog bike but to my knowledge that bike was not a production bike per se. It’s another reason I included it in the video, foreshadowing. Dyno is GT and we’re not immune to catalog discrepancies. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@TRAY-ij3zw]

Not a production bike ? What does that mean exactly ? Thanks brother

[@atrains]

@@TRAY-ij3zw Affectionately known as a "Catalog Voelker-Build", simply because when you open up a 1988 Dyno Product Guide you'll see Dave Voelker on the inside cover kneeling down behind a Pro Compe Team just like this one. By the time the '88 models hit the showrooms though they didn't look like what was pictured in the catalog as several parts were swapped out by then for newer styles (i.e. different seat, different grips, no more GT "mallet" stems, etc.). But probably the most significant change was that those "graffiti"-style decals never made it onto Production bikes. The story that I've heard is that GT Bicycles elected not to go with the "graffiti"-style lettering because it was too morphed from the registered identifiable logo of the Dyno brand.] Read all about the build here bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=711744

[@dumpsterjerry3577]

GT wanted to show us the new pro performer but Eddie didnt want to 🤘

[@techjunkie68smusicandtech56]

Not BMX related but still GT related, I own a 1998 GT Tempest, which in the catalogue states the frame is 7005 series Aluminium (I live in UK, hence different spelling). However my GT Tempest is stamped and stickered as 6061 Custom Blended and butted, I don't know how many of these still exist. I have seen people selling and showing off the same year Tempest with 7005 aluminium. Maybe the 6061 were left over from Avalanche models, although the main distinction is that my Tempest frame doesn't have an integrated seatpost clamp and externally reinforced headtube. Other than that it's a great bike to own and ride. I bought it as a frame and built it up like a BMX/MTB hybrid as I need gears to ride up and down hills.

[@atrains]

Interesting

[@ParakeetPotato]

There are many 1989 PFT models at the Museum with welded 990 mounts on the bottom of the chain stay. Some noted serials in 89 too. You said that in 88 GT used the 2188 seat. The one you showed does not have the bubble font logo on the seat. Your 2188 example had the slanted block font logo on the seat (6:08 mark). That style logo doesn't appear on bikes until 1990...including frame decals.

[@atrains]

Hey thanks for watching and commenting. Yeah there are a few people who claim that they have factory 1989 PFT and TM without the 990 mounts from the factory. Everything I’ve seen has 990 mounts. I think this all stems from the explosion of bikes wanting to use the DC990 which was relatively new in 1987. GT had to switch to the Axiom for 1988 in some cases. There weren’t enough DC990 to go around between Haro and GT and everyone else. So the myth has some validity that they would have abandoned the mounts and put the brake on the top like the catalog shows but I’ve not seen proof of this. I did see the 1989 Dayglo yellow PFT frame set though. So there is that. I have a 1989 PFT (5/89) and it has 990 mounts. Onto the seat. Yes I showed the 90’s GT seat for comparison. Doesn’t matter it’s still a 2188 Viscount. My point was the 2123 is 1987 only. The 2188 was ‘88 and well into 1993.

[@ragereset1829]

Noticed at 3.40 they used the 86(?) GT headset as opposed to the printed 87

[@atrains]

Early ‘87 GT used the engraved Epoch headset. I could make a video on this subject matter all by itself. Since the gyro debuted in 1987 for all the GT freestyle bikes, 1986 Epoch headset are not possible to use with the gyro. It’s all because the upper gyro plate thickness has to be compensated for and so the Epoch was revised to be “shorter” making the cap smaller height wise. Only GT knows why they switched from the engraved revised caps to the thinner/cheaper caps with the silk screen printed logos. Cost I imagine. Now here is where it gets tricky because late, late 1986 PFTs came with the gyro. It was not common but it happened. However it’s irrelevant to this conversation because you wouldn’t have seen the headset in the ‘86 catalog. Clear as mud?

[@ragereset1829]

@@atrains Great info! Definitely make a video on this please

[@atrains]

I have it on my list. Trouble is I need all the Epoch headsets to take measurements and make everything OCD correct. I only have the silk screen versions in my possession. I need the race versions as well. One day!

[@michaelfockler1164]

That's my GT chain. Love to be a part of the video

[@atrains]

Yes sir it is. Three chains plus to make it 100%. Not sure how many more are out there like that. The most unique GT chain ever! Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@michaelfockler1164]

@atrains super cool that you know about it 100%. Love to watch your clips. Keep up the good information brother

[@joejohnson8656]

I had the neon pink model and it did have the 990 mounts on it

[@atrains]

Joe Johnson I assume you mean in 1989. I’ve never seen them without the 990 mounts from ‘87-89. There was definitely an argument that they were removed for a period of time in 1989 but I’ve not seen evidence of this.

[@radvision2631]

Hello , im wondering if you found out any more info on the 1990 crash test decals? And would you assume or expect them to be rare in a good sense ? I appreciate your time

[@radvision2631]

Great video, im flored by the mid year change to the pro world and ive also heard they moved production from santa anna to huntington beach mid year 1986 ? Resulting to the race pro series decals also changed can you elaborate or add to that ?

[@atrains]

GT moved to Huntington Beach CA in 1985. You can google 1985 GT BMX magazine ads and look at the address on it. Definitely 1985. I don’t know enough about the race line and each year specifically to comment with absolute certainty, so I stay in my lane.

[@atrains]

And thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it.

[@radvision2631]

@atrains thanks for the quick reply I have another curious question is it better here or email? You may be able to figure something out for me

[@atrains]

@@radvision2631look me up on the BMXMUSEUM under Atrains89

[@radvision2631]

Hey I havent been on there, I'll just ask quickly, I've come across a world tour labeled 86 and it has a made in tiawan sticker, so I don't have the serial number yet, this statement Kind of contradicts info of over seas pro style models , any ideas

[@stolnpckup]

Now watching this video.i am thinking that i had an 87 or 88 gt freestyle bike. But i had pegs on the upper and lower fork. Also, on the rear. The handle bar mount looks fimilar. Cause i could turn the handle bars all the way around.

[@atrains]

Pegs on the upper and lower forks? Like screw on pegs? That’s is not a GT, either a Diamond Back, General Osborne Pro or something similar. Try googling 1988 Diamond Back Strike Zone or Hot streak, then the General RL Osborne and see if they look like what you had.

[@stolnpckup]

@@atrains yes, they were screwed on pegs. I could either put them low near the axle or high on the fork.

[@stolnpckup]

@@atrains the strike zone looks kinda fimilar. But you could do, if I remember correctly. Frame surfing. Cause it had two small bars under the seat and two bars going across the handle bars. But it did have white straight plastic mag wheels.

[@ilikesnow]

I just picked up a purple 94 Auburn on Marketplace for $50 an can't find much info on them. Do you know anything about their history, etc? They don't get mentioned often even though they hold value and are straight off the GT floor. Thanks!

[@atrains]

Sorry I do not know much about Auburn other than GT acquired them in the late 80’s. Check on the BMXMUSEUM for helpful info and history.

[@ragereset1829]

I'd like to know what pedals the 87 PFT wore in the catalogue.

[@atrains]

Mix of Shimano DX and SR 474

[@ragereset1829]

@@atrains Cheers bud

[@jhwin30]

Can you do the MACH 1?

[@atrains]

I will put it on my request list for future videos. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@tommanning7337]

🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@4by_yotaguy373]

👍👍

[@vela07]

Is it possible that a left over 1987 pro performer could've came with the 1988 stem,grips and tomahawk mags? I swear that's how mine came straight from the bike store.

[@atrains]

@@vela07 it depends on a few things. I can show you my 1988 GT PFT from the bike shop the day I took it home. It has Dyno Pretzel bars and a Dyno drain pipe seat post. That’s not how the production bikes came but how I ordered it. There are some early 1988 GT’s built in August of 1987 that were ‘88’s but they only had the mallet stem and that was about it.

[@vela07]

@atrains I know mine had the 88 style stem with GT on top, and we didn't custom order the bike. I found it in the window of the bike store. Now I have to go look at the bikes in the bmxmuseum again. Maybe it was an 88 all the time but I swear it had the 87 style decals

[@SIGFREDOVELEZVELEZ]

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[@francissobotka8725]

It was usually 2 years from start to finish .

[@atrains]

Can’t be. Doesn’t add up part timing wise. Odyssey gyro came out in late 1986. It’s in the 1987 catalog. Dia Compe 990 came out late 1986, it’s in the 1987 catalog. Two years to make the catalog, no way.

[@matthewgates4130]

I love this 😂😂😂😂 Yank that veil!

[@atrains]

Whatcha talking about Willis?

[@radvision2631]

Hi, just checking if youve seen the serial number update ? i may have mistakenly sent it to myself ? , just seeing the frame says G5L1 etc has a made in japan sticker rite near it, but is labeled pro world tour with original stickers and paint no baseball stamp either ,it sounds very confusing i believe ? Any help would be great thanks

[@atrains]

G5L1 G for the production line. 5 for the year 1985. L for the 12th month or December. This was made in Japan. Very late ‘85 most likely set up as a 1986.

[@radvision2631]

@atrains ok great thanks for the info, would you speculate ? where does this bike stand as far as if it is true. and I believe it is all og paint and decals as an original set plus having pro world stickers , this would throw a wrench in the facts we know, as a whole ..... I'm just learning as I go and if this may become an oddity. Case in the end it may help you as well, but again it's japan and I'm not sure the higher end models were. Produced there as you agree, or could this be actually what it shows, 🤔 I do appreciate your thoughts and time

[@atrains]

⁠I think you wanted this comment in the FS stamp video not the catalog differences video, but originally you said the bike had a made in Taiwan sticker on it. Yet the serial number points to Japan. So can you clarify you have a made in Taiwan decal on a frame with a serial number pointing to a Japanese factory. As for the statement I made on the FS stamp meaning video that all the high end bikes like the PFT, TM and such were made in the USA while the lower end bikes were all made in the orient. The inference is that you need to apply the all numerical serial number to the frame. All numerical (except with GTxxxx) is USA made. Yes, there are some PP, PWT/PFT that were made in the orient, it’s not that every single one was USA made but starting in 1987 things changed as GT had their Huntington Beach CA factory humming and producing a lot of the higher end products. I hope this helps.

[@radvision2631]

@atrains yes it does help I did reference the wrong video list here , that being said yes it shows made in japan actual I was going on memory when I first spoke I had not seen it in period of time and thought otherwise, so all that being said, it all help hope to clarify that and I really appreciate your help and reply, as in my plans I hope to buy this bike, it's currently nfs bit open in the future I wanted to make sure I was buying and offering for what it actually is . I'm going to thank you and maybe if anything else pops up I hope you can help

[@timanon7149]

Superb video mate, I'm lucky enough to have an 85 Pro performer, refurbished it so it lasts another 40 years.

[@atrains]

85’s are dope too. I couldn’t find a 1985 catalog or I would have included it in the video. I’ve actually never seen a 1985 GT catalog but I have a 1983 catalog so I know they exist. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@timanon7149]

@atrains send me your email address and I'll send you some pics of it , watching from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@justinnoga947]

Ive seen 1989 dyno pro compes with no 990 mounts

[@atrains]

Justin, cool thanks for confirming that. 1989 Dyno catalog also shows no 990 mounts but many of the bikes came with 990 mounts as you know. I wonder if these non 990 mount frames were early 1989 or late ‘88 serial numbers. I bet this was generally caused by the availability of the DC990 and Axiom 767.