GTA IV Has a Grass Problem

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[@AdrianPaul1968]

forget that grass problem, we need the rain bug fix for scripthook

[@eclipseRz]

Can’t believe Rockstar went the extra mile to give the true New York experience of waking past a small garden, only to come back 10 minutes later to find out it’s being renovated into another Dunkin Donuts

[@AdrianCuyubambaDiaz]

I'm so sick of my favourite patch of grass disappearing every time I come back to admire it! Thanks for making this video. I was blaming Jacob thinking he was smoking it all. I owe him an apology.

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Finally, someone raised this pressing issue! 🧐 I thought I'd have to fight this battle all by myself, but together we are strong! 💪🏻 Say 'no' to disappearing grass, demand permanent grass today! ☝🏻

[@maniac4658]

Every second in liberty city, a grass patch de-spawns. Together we can stop this 💪

[@blakegriplingph]

Jacob clearly needs to change his weed dealer.

[@human_4836]

He getting that gas station wee

[@SeriousDragonify]

He's not smoking anymore. He revealed in Niko's conversation telling him the weed is causing issues in his lung.

[@H33333]

grass* dealer

[@flame_101]

​​@@SeriousDragonifyWait, when did he say that? I might've missed it

[@LarryTheTugaGamer1511]

@@human_4836 You're the guy from DarkViperAU's shorts, I remember you.

[@mah3shchoudhary]

Thank you for letting me know about this after 16 years.

[@TJGM]

Next time you play GTA IV you won't be able to ignore it 😊

[@Darkcranio]

@@TJGM

[@goongalass930]

how long have u been waiting for this

[@hangry3102]

​@@Darkcranio Dragon ball pfp 🤢

[@BlondieYouTube]

I knew it!! I knew I wasn't insane! I tried to explain it to everyone, but I was only laughed at and became ostracised.

[@Emzo123]

Did I just watch an 8 minute video on grass in a game? Yes. Yes I did.

[@starkiller7278]

There's always something new to learn with GTA 😅

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

*in a 16 year old game

[@nikobellic8002]

Game from 2008

[@MrTeton]

Red Dead 2 has so much grass that it makes Little Jacob blush

[@ghjklkop7868]

right, you cracked the mystery... It's Little Jacob's fault...

[@DefleMask]

R* downgraded grass in some patch of RDR2. Grass became lower ingame, but higher in cutscenes. Compare grass density on console release and last patch

[@SeriousDragonify]

​@@DefleMaskNot downgraded but optimized. Can max all on pc. Only big effect with downgrade is Saint Denis population and incoming lawmen that are infinite now instead of stpping when theyre done.

[@maniac4658]

That will feel like heaven for Little Jacob

[@fredster594]

@@DefleMask RDR2 patches and builds is my number one issue with that game, every build of that game has some issues or other, probably the most stable and polished build of RDR2 is patch 1.02 as that was the day one patch and the original vision for the game that Rockstar intended. 1.02 was also before Red Dead Online got added to the game, meaning nothing from Online was conflicting with the story mode and breaking things. Sadly patch 1.02 is inaccessable now, but even then, that version of the game doesn't have some of the extra content like the M1899 Pistol, Evan's Repeater, LeMat revolver, High Roller Revolver and the new bounties that got added in later updates. A lot of people say patch 1.00 is the best version of RDR2 as the ambient occlusion looks different (yet also worse in many instances), John's epilogue model looks SLIGHTLY less cursed and Micah's hair is no longer glitched, but it also has a TON of bugs and glitches and is filled with performance issues because it's an earlier & less optimized build of the game presumably from summer of 2018 before the physical copies were manufactered.

[@firajessica806]

Cant wait for Fusion Fix teams to fix this issue as well

[@erwaldox]

There really isn't any mods out there to fix the grass problem atm?

[@robertesaum3]

@@erwaldox At the moment, there isn't any mod like that for GTA IV. It's necessary to do what Fastman92 Limit Adjuster/Open Limit Adjuster does in GTA SA (maybe). But the Fusion Fix team has been working hard on GTA IV, and we'll probably have a fix soon!

[@ult1matum]

@@robertesaum3 even with Limit Adjusters the grass in GTA SA still has pretty poor draw distance, it's an engine limitation which cant't be fixed and i'm afraid it's the same thing with the GTA IV issue

[@robertesaum3]

@@ult1matum If I’m not mistaken, I remember reading a comment from junior_djjr (from MixMods) talking about the draw distance of the game's vegetation (trees, grass, etc.), suggesting that it might be possible to reduce the pop-ins of trees/grass. But I don’t quite remember if he mentioned any progress on this or if it’s really possible to fix.

[@ult1matum]

@@robertesaum3 just found his comment where he says he gave up on the idea, sadly.

[@GTAHeavyImpact]

noteworthy that Jacob studied the problem with grass ...

[@officialconch]

Why yuh a go wit dat type a joke rasta wah di bum rraasssclaatt

[@f-man3274]

@@officialconch bumbaclat real badman

[@elowin1691]

the possibility never even once occurred to me that this wasn't just how it was intended i just thought the grass was supposed to be patchy!

[@NoLongo]

The GTAIV grass situation is crazy

[@FebruaryWashington]

nice closed captions! really shows you went the extra mile.

[@TJGM]

Thank you for noticing! I try to make the videos as accessible as possible. If you have any suggestions to improve them, let me know! 😊

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Man GTA 4 is such a rare kind of game. These devs put so much effort into the physics effects, rag doll effects, using creative art styles, having different gameplay modes, satisfying gameplay mechanics, damage effects and interactive environments. Single player modes and offline modes. Current games focus way too much on graphical nitpicking that they don't realize they are making a terrible game. It's like they've forgotten players enjoy aspects that make games fun?Gaming shouldn't hyper focus on graphics, ray tracing & 4k resolutions

[@ExtraGameClipz]

I love how you still make content for this masterpiece years later, such an amazing niche. I had to subscribe and binge every GTA IV video on your channel

[@KaiSoDaM]

Impressive that no one found out a way to force the limit up.

[@Tommy_Pockets]

I still think "big grass" is partly to blame

[@ult1matum]

don't forget Lil Grass Balla Fool

[@rafox66]

I don't even remember my GTA IV having any grass, neither on PC nor PS3.

[@stevemc6010]

Off-screen lawnmowers were at work.

[@OddSauce]

Making a video about virtual grass, making it engaging, informative and entertaining is the mark of an extremely talented video maker. You have convinced me that WE NEED BETTER GRASS

[@Kannwal_Siingh]

This guy made a 8 minute video on grass and he thinks people will watch. Actually he is right.

[@Halo_Legend]

It's GTA 4, after all.

[@Kannwal_Siingh]

@@Halo_Legend Its GTA 4, It cant be miss

[@Agent39-t2b]

Meh, I made it 2 minutes in and realized "wow, I TRULY AM wasting my life......". If anything the video helped me, I'm going to go for a walk on a trail and look at ACTUAL grass now.

[@BoyPagcu]

Weazel News: Liberty City has a grassy problem.

[@nikobellic8002]

Reporting the right news

[@devindalton4688]

What a perfect video to watch with eight minutes left in my ten minute break at work.

[@Jared_Wignall]

Always cool to notice something 16 years later. Great video man, keep up the great work!

[@sdsocal2374]

Jacob been smoking a flood spore

[@JethroRogers]

Am playing gta4 for the first time on PC. Been going round in circles trying to decide what to do with the graphics settings. So this is super helpful to explain what's been going on. Thanks!

[@Night_Owl_Noah]

Jacob shoulda got a dlc episode, too

[@MKR3238]

That intro is some nightmare fuel 😂 Is there a single setting in the pc port thats not broken somehow? But randomly generated vegetation/grass is my nemesies, looking at you SA

[@lewisofthehoood]

That intro was kinda funny, I like your videos a lot because of how informative they are but now they're funny too

[@12DAMDO]

"babylon dem thief my herb" ~Little Jacob, probably

[@fretzil]

thank you for the proper subtitles, really helps folks like me

[@EnilionVeno]

insta like for intro

[@sonicthomasgamer]

True

[@nonenone8075]

Actually the grass is limited so that Little Jacob and Badman won't kill themselves by smoking☝️🤓

[@Profinoob1337]

I never stop learning new things about this game

[@teezes]

You are officially the first person to make me THIS interested about grass

[@loleq2137]

Couldn't tell where I knew you from - you made the video that helped me get into GTA IV 😀 Great content you're making, right up my alley. Geeking out about obscure and (seemingly) insignificant topics like these, that is.

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

Considering the fact that Rockstar focused on their console ports and just ported their products with minimal support on PC, the higher settings... basically weren't meant to be used! People managed to address such configuration issues without modding the core of the game - showing the indifference of Rockstar towards their already marketed products, such issues would be easy to fix, especially if you get the people who coded the original game to do that. Though in any case the RE editions made by the community were the ultimate solution for GTA fans pre-V. And of course Rockstar took down RE-III and RE-VC, coz they're arrogant assholes.

[@maxim196]

@@madhunter6420 It wont be ...gta v and rdr2 are good ports

[@hawken796]

@@maxim196 GTA 5 is an optimized port but it wasn't a good port. It still doesn't have the features that GTA 5 has on consoles

[@XanVicious]

@@hawken796 thats literally on purpose dude, the PC version is superior in every way. They know that so they nerf it intentionally to get everyone with FOMO on consoles.

[@sebastiangonzales46]

​@@XanViciousSuperior in every way but hard to optimize games since there are literally hundreds of different hardware on PC to optimize it for. But sure let's call it "nerf" screw logic I guess

[@XanVicious]

@@sebastiangonzales46? Buddy they blatantly made sure to not upgrade the PC version to try and get you to go on console... you're slow.

[@Gonzas97]

I still can't believe this type of videos are a thing, and i love that.

[@whoisprize]

Ive read in a gta forum that for the least amount of z fighting you need to put draw distance at 42 and detail at 20. Thats what i use all the time. These are console values increased by x2 which seem to be the second most stable after original console settings 21 / 10. Please make a video addressing the z-fighting in gta 4

[@flingymingy]

Fusion fix has completely eliminated Z fighting, there isn’t any need to cover it.

[@whoisprize]

@@flingymingy Oh okay thank you

[@JanoschNr1]

Hate it, EVERY. DAMN. TIME! Ignore the spinal cord fluid

[@zaneduncan4902]

I know I watch too much KZbin when this is the most interesting video in my feed

[@equanimity92]

"whaHeppunDa Grass maan Bombahklaat" Said Little Jacob angrily🌲🌲🌲🌲

[@Maxamber-o4p]

Its saturday night and im watching a video about grass in GTA, riveting life I lead

[@pegasisvera]

I'll be honest, I was assuming this was gonna be a video relating to the story, in particular LJ, but this was a much more intelligent video than I gave it credit for scrolling past. Well done! That said, I figured this was how it worked, but I figured the PC version just didn't have grass at all.

[@shanelennon7397]

Great channel and good work love hearing another dub on here.

[@ghjklkop7868]

Great video. I wonder, if you have anything planned, to talk about the lighting/shadows, that break after a while, playing IV, when they all just start flickering at night, and not work properly

[@TJGM]

I believe FusionFix fixes these issues? Lamppost shadows and shadows from headlights were very buggy.

[@ghjklkop7868]

@@TJGM yes, I'm using FusionFix, but I think, the issue I mentioned is probably caused by alt tabbing

[@TJGM]

@@Sum_Yousah Do you have lamppost shadows on?

[@space3828]

i’m replaying gta 4 right now and i have to say the city itself feels more alive compared to 5. i have never even once thought about the grass of gta 4 but i appreciate this game much more now.

[@RockinEnabled]

the city is the best oart of the game. I used to look for pigeons on my own at first, and roaming the city in search for secrets was glorious! (but then I thought I could do the same thing IRL and started exploring my hometown with a camera 🙂)

[@vinesauceobscurities]

Decal limits also affects particles. One of the more noticeable effects is when you drive in rain and kick up water splashes in lots of traffic. Eventually the splashes stop appearing until fewer cars are splashing water. It was clear that the engine has these limits for performance reasons, but modern modding could probably address that.

[@ameneverything]

great video, fuckin loved the intro lol 👍

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

thing is it 100% *could* be fixed but the negative is it requires the game's source code which obviously isn't legally obtainable at all and likely never will be given Take Two's stance on modding as well as Rockstar's skewed views on what's piracy and what isn't which also pertains to modding because as of now Rockstar is one of 2 major companies that claim modding is piracy with the 2nd being Capcom

[@ttkftykyfts]

It does not *require* the source code, at least not for the entire game. Simply reversing the grass related functions is enough.

[@JohnDaubSuperfan369]

The real thing is "theunhingedgamer" wouldn't recognise source code even if he was made to watch it being force fed into his mother.

[@Reed_Peer]

Jacob was high af during the video production

[@buggybooze]

honestly didn't even know the grass did this very helpful thanks :D

[@AForceGaming]

I thought you were going to suggest the console vegetation mod

[@diegolink42]

Little Jacob is da expert when it comes to grass, seen my breda, respect and thing..😅

[@nitrosodium]

That's the Lil Jacob i know 😂 well z-fighting has been greatly fixed, modders will break this one too 🤞 and we could finally touch more grass

[@Arqouda]

"bro touch grass" "i can't i smoked it all"

[@Payro]

Same problem as with gta:sa

[@TJGM]

Kinda. San Andreas we can't seem to increase the draw distance, but for the most part, the grass that is in the game spawns fine. In IV, grass can break even with default settings in some places.

[@edu7979]

"game artists dont go plucking around grass on each part of the map" bro i literally have to manually (albeit with asistance of tools) put down gras in my game 😭

[@freedomofspeech2867]

That one developer who thought no one would notice has been real quiet since this dropped.

[@dudemankewl6291]

The opening had me laughing my ass off. Guys remember in San Andreas, you could cut your head off and run around the world headless spurting blood.

[@disgruntled4627]

I played so much SA never knew that lmao, how do you do it?

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

I never really liked pushing the draw distance up from the defaults anyway... Usually the draw distance is implemented as a gradual fadeout which just looks like fog/haze/mist, and in quite a few settings this both looks good and feels realistic. In fact most games (especially old ones who expected you to run it on fairly low draw distance) has no other haze than the one made by the draw distance limit fadeout, which makes distant objects look too clear; as if there is no atmosphere at all. Besides drawing very distant objects just massively increases the render load for very little benefit. Also if you more or less disable the draw limit (often there are mods or config file changes that allow this) on an old game just because your computer can handle it. you'll often see things spawn in at a distance because the programmers assumed it would be hidden by the limit anyway.

[@rifkyfahrana1141]

been playing San Andreas for years on PS2. now playing on mobile and there's no more of this type of grass. going cross country feels much empty without grassa

[@dearhorse085]

same happens with gta san andreas. it's crazy how no mod ever came out that made objects such as grass fade in instead of aggressively pop in. in gta san andreas, if there are a lot of items (plants, small trees, grass) and it goes above the limit, these objects will pop in, whereas normally they should fade in gradually. there is no fix for this other than reducing draw distance to minimum

[@Cute_Clord]

Even though this felt kind of obvious, I still appreciate that someone made a video to talk about it and inform others. I think quite bit about game design so I was aware of how games generally handle foliage aside of things like trees. I didn't know this game implemented such a low limit though for performance purposes.

[@Killersnake432]

At the time R.A.G.E (Rockstar Advance Game Engine) is a spaghetti code mess. It got worse as more games came out till reached the point at RDR1 which was the most buggiest R.A.G.E game ever and did a overhaul with the engine for Max Payne 3 and GTA V. Also GTA IV was the second game to use it but the first game to push the engine hard at the time too so it was the stress test pretty much since game that only used it was Table Tennis lol.

[@Nurolight]

I love cranking the values of the settings up on modern hardware. Having 10 times the amount of normal people in times Square, it feels great

[@Matt..S]

TL, DR: The grass is always greener on the other side, because your neighbour stole all the grass spawns.

[@vegquick8382]

I think GTA 4 handles the grass really good in the max render distance because it gives a sense of dynamic changes to the world, a unique experience of grass depending on your exploration

[@PsychorGames]

It's obviously because grass wasn't legal yet during the time of this game.

[@thejudgefrom69]

I love it when someone who has a better understanding of 3d computer game development describes how a games codes are done.. awesome 😎

[@ReachTea]

It's funny how small things like these just break during the port process, wonder what other tiny minor changes there are

[@itsmegoat2]

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS STOP CAUSING CONSPIRACIES BIG GRASS

[@El_Presidente_5337]

This is cursed knowledge that I now gained and can never forget again.

[@alperen194]

There is also an issue with the glow effects from lights when pushing the settings to high, for examples at night in a dense Area with alot of cars the lights of the cars does not glow properly and some times starts to flicker.

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

Nu uh, its because Jacob keeps sneaking behind the player, smoking all the grass.

[@SeriousDragonify]

More like they were just test for next game (since from gta 3 lol) Rope swinging with papers and grass physics were given in RDR and GTA 5.

[@eldragon57]

The grass in this vid does look kinda RDR ish. RDR’s graphical fidelity is a middle ground between GTA 4 and GTA 5.

[@anothermartz]

I remember one of the first PC patches had a backlash because while it increased performance (much needed) it also removed lots of the rubbish around back alleys and such. Maybe version 1 of this game doesn't have the grass problem either?

[@NewOrderOfAlexandria]

The patchy grass of liberty city always made the place seem more abandoned in areas, like it's randomly overgrowing because nobody cares to maintain consistent gardening in the lesser known parts. It really gives off a massive junkyard theme when coupled with random rubbish all over the place. It only makes Liberty seem all the more discarded and sad, just like Niko, the mild weather, colour tone and story surrounding it all.

[@ArchangelExile]

You know what they say, "if there's grass on the field, play ball."

[@scozzTV]

0:24 that was so smooth

[@sonicthomasgamer]

The Great Grassby

[@Psych_Studio]

Pls make a video : how lights work in gta v ( with there draw distance )

[@Pes._]

Take it with a masdive grain of salt but it affect car headlights, fog lights (high beams) and shadows from them so on so on.

[@MuscleCarLover]

"So you're walking through Liberty City..." Not like that I'm not

[@tutigseg]

It's a shame this game is poorly optimized like this I don't know how Rockstar didn't bother fixing this game, like how much would it cost a big company like Rockstar to fix their own game's optimization? Rockstar decided to remaster GTA 5, GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas 2 times but GTA 4 doesn't even get one

[@ericdxfan511]

Do you really want a GTA IV remaster after the trainwreck that was the Definitive Editions? I'll just stick with the original.

[@tutigseg]

@@ericdxfan511 GTA 4 is different I always thought the reason why the defective editions were that bad because the original games themselves were buggy af too their original coding were broken too one small change and it all falls apart

[@Carl-edits346]

After seeing the fanbase, I think gta 4 fans don't deserve a remaster.

[@unter1103]

​@@tutigseg what an unsubstantiated assumption is that

[@tutigseg]

@@Carl-edits346 Rockstar only cares about money dude it's not about what we "deserve" lol

[@y0LAs_]

I wonder if there's a mod that tackles these issues... Nice video!

[@slayer_playzz8989]

Jacon what have they done to you 😭 when he gets knocked in the begginf whys he like that i know its just a skin over niko but why does that happen😭 Also amazing video too btw

[@YOEL_44]

So for the best experience you should actually crank everything yet keep those 2 bars at 25 and 31, what a lame implementation. I mean, it took them over 10 years to completelly patch the game on PC, but increasing the memory pools should not be hard for them.

[@mrfourtwenty8506]

being little jacob talking about grass is funny, it took me way to long to see this joke

[@BIGwillTHEGAME]

There’s always something new to learn.

[@VotexSin]

nice video. reminds me of the gta 4 burger problem.

[@dominiksramko]

I was waiting for the part where you modify the memory to increase the said limit.

[@cyrodiilwarrior]

Interesting! I'll play with max settings still though, don't care too much about grass. 😊

[@human_4836]

You gotta smoke to keep your strength up man

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

i smoke cause it gives me knowledge

[@Isgonesomewhere]

Little Jacob looks like he's having a grass problem lmao

[@dedasama9586]

I think they fixed that issue with newer tech, I saw that on Ghost Of Tsushima I think, pretty much the camera is consistenly behind the character or around him right? let's say the camera's POV creates a sort of cone shape, everything inside that cone is what the player is able to see depending on how he moves the camera, so I think what they did was only render the grass inside that cone and a little bit off of the vision angle to account for render delays and whatnot. Is that an elegant solution for that problem?

[@gabrielarkangelo]

It bugs me how in GTA San Andreas on the PlayStation 2 there is more grass and bushes than all the other versions. Even corn or wheat.. there are plantations of one of these or both that in the PC and mobile versions are empty places.

[@Eazy-V]

Believe me or not these settings might also make the shadows pops in GTA V. Working with lights is a real pain.. But hey, you might have unlock something !

[@RichieLarpa]

I have one particular question: why you have San Andreas' running animations in GTA4?

[@sidimightbe]

Ah hell nah Lil Jacob on that bay smokes

[@TrueGamingVault]

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[@BaileyMagikz]

TJGM: GTA IV Has a Grass Problem GTA IV: *Grass has a Problem with TJGM*

[@inshirahabubaker5966]

The first time I know that , and also his animation is like CJ running animation LOL , NICE VIDEO BROOO💚❤‍🩹

[@amilo5]

I have this problem in many games. Or problems adjacent to it. I wish i could crank up the draw distance and view distance in some older games to the whole map. But it does not work because the "sprite limit" is quickly reached.