Guess Who Can Vote In Eurovision Now???

Martin Österdahl is the producer of Eurovision, and also a spy novelist. Maybe that's how he came up with a twist we never saw coming.
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[@moonlitlaurel8103]

Let's be honest. The rest of the world is allowed to vote so Österdahl can announce points this year again without countries needing to be caught exchanging points first :P

[@jensverstraete4722]

i don't mind "americans coming to our party" the more people the more fun it can be. The thing i fear is that eurovision could be dragged into the american culture war if it become very popular in the US. Imagine how some media would react to people like let3 and Verka with the current "drag scare". Thats something i just don't have to worry about from australia or other potential participants.

[@John_Weiss]

Europe would just give the US the finger. And rightfully so … some of the people in this country need to have some Truth knocked into their heads, that the US isn't universally revered, that people in other countries _do_ actually want to stay in their own countries and _not_ come to the US.

[@herrmajestat]

They already tried to steal our thing with American Song Contest but it flopped as predicted

[@dawnbun]

This makes me both want and fear an international version of Eurovision Cuz I'm Canadian and we have our own problems, plus we often get the runoff of American problems, but we're also responsible for some very great singers, both well known and ones you've not heard of (I can think of at least one very interesting band I'd think would be a pretty good entrant into that type contest) But at the same time, if the American Culture war gets involved we risk stifling major voices for being gender nonconforming to the standards of the most powerful country in the group Do we have two winners each year? It's hard to fully comprehend all the problems and hurtles that would be required to do it? What about different genres, should we have different contests for each genre like the Olympics, should Metal have to compete with Power Ballads? Am I overthinking this

[@thevirtualtraveler]

As an American who had never heard of Eurovison until the Will Ferrell movie, but got really into it last year, I am absolutely chuffed to get a chance at voting!!!! No matter how little it counts for. As you said, I'm just happy to be invited to the party.

[@Tollkirschenkind]

I'm gonna imagine Österdahl as Kermit the Frog now for the rest of my life. Thanks 🙏

[@joaovitormatos8147]

Being non-European, I was happy until you made me realize that my vote will be worth the same as _half_ as San Marino

[@overthinkingit]

You like watching that scale droop down? We should have added a slide whistle.

[@babygrogu845]

I hope it will change in the future. Why not giving more points to the world? I think it could boost ESC songs' popularity on global charts, which could only be positive for us Europeans

[@clapclap5452]

In San Marino only it’s jury get to vote, the population cannot, they don’t have separate phone network so the public vote is an agreggate of it’ s neighbours

[@keineahnung5466]

San Marino is great, they give everyone (even US-Americans) the opportunity to participate in the ESC, costs only a few hundred euros (the opportunity not the participation).

[@Saturinus]

My suggestion is to let the rest of the world vote in both semifinals, to even it out a little.

[@babygrogu845]

I am Croatian and very excited EBU has given right to vote to the rest of the world (as few as 58 points seem). Welcome to Eurovision, guys, love your enthusiasm🥳🥳🥳 (I also still listen to Spirit in the Sky while jogging😂)

[@crazyhistorian]

Same here 😂😂😂 Songs from Keiino are bangers.

[@iyawakarehen]

the lady we're sending to eurovision not only is canadian but she's also moroccan which basically doubles the amount of community voting she could get from the rest of the world 😂

[@freelanceauthority]

Sweden also getting some points from Morocco as if they're not getting enough from Europe already💀

[@Lucian86]

Agree the voting system now in the final is just perfect. I also agree with the changes this year

[@trildi]

Honestly, methinks someone hasn't got over all the points Moldova got in 2022 😆 I loved that apology video, it was very funny. Keep your sense of humour going and thank you for your videos.

[@damiana.4732]

They did in fact "lose the connection" to those countries, because some of them refused to announce the simulated votes, while others, like Montenegro, didn't (Serbia got 12 points in both scenarios, so it didn't matter that much, or they didn't know there was a difference). Romania refused to announce the votes in which Moldova didn't get 12 points. And the EBU didn't just deduct the points which were meant for other 5 countries, they annulled all original points and replaced them with simulated points. Also, the fact that broadcasters knew that the votes they were given to read out weren't their original votes just proves that it was rigged by the broadcasters, because they aren't supposed to know them. They only receive the accumulated jury votes from the EBU and then read them out. Sorry if I mixed some things up, but this was a year ago :)

[@markhere631]

As a Eurovision fan who doesn’t live in Europe, I’m just happy that I can actually have a say this year even if it’s a small one. That said, I totally get why people want to keep the voting limited to Europe (it is called Eurovision, after all). Also this past JESC had a number of tech issues during voting, and I can’t help but wonder if that’s because of the sheer amount of people from around the world being on the site at the same time

[@RaineStormFlood]

I've hosted Eurovision VPN watch parties for my friend group since 2019, I screamed and danced around when I found out we get to vote this year! I don't care how little it counts for, I'm just excited to have a say at all ❤❤❤ I love this contest a normal amount 😂

[@sushivisa]

Agree with a lot of this. Also, at least for now, a lot of the rest of the world that are even gonna be voting were probably already watching or aware of the contest in some way (immigrants/families of immigrants, overseas eurofans (maybe in the making), etc). IK this isn't the only reason why purists dont want the rest of the world (namely the US) voting, but the large mainstream radio chart listeners won't bother voting anytime soon lol

[@lighthouse620]

Big 4 in 2007 was dire and bloc voting had nothing to do with their results however just look at how few western european nations made the final (yes the semi worked very different then) its undeniable that 100% televote was heavily influenced by bloc voting

[@manolocorp]

I love your sense of humor, brilliant!

[@fgb1929]

You already know it: YOU HAVE TO MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT „MAMA ŠČ“!!! You know you have to. You know.

[@overthinkingit]

Damn straight.

[@ESCHayden]

Nice to see you back. I was wondering, could you do an episode on the challenges the BBC face hosting Eurovision on behalf of Ukraine, seeing as it's never happened before quite like this, and how they're doing so far.

[@overthinkingit]

After this week we're going to try and get to the actual SONGS. However, we do want to cover the UK unless they do a really boring song, and we'll keep this suggestion in mind!

[@dv2483]

apparently, Ukraine has issues with the Czech entry because it's a band that's 1/6th Russian. Moreover, the Russian sings a few lines in Ukrainian...

[@overthinkingit]

It’s way more complicated than that. brb, researching the pan-Slav conference of 1848.

[@MyBroSux24]

@@overthinkingit moreover, maybe look into the Kievan Rus' and and what that could mean to the crown in the song

[@adrianelias2365]

Your video is entertaining, funny, and informative. I've been a big ESC fan since 2019. I always enjoyed watching ESC even without voting. I was satisfied with voting in JESC. However, now that I know I can vote this makes me an even bigger fan, because like you said. I no longer think of myself as an outsider watching ESC, but as a participant. An insider! ESC needs us Californian votes.

[@JoannaHolman]

Hopefully they've sorted out the glitches in the paying for votes with credit card thing that will be used for international votes. They tested it in Australia last year and a major credit card company blocked the cards of every one of their customers who voted. I guess thousands of their customers making small transactions with a new swiss merchant during a 10 minute window at a weird time of day looked like fraud. I bet their call centre had fun dealing with stressed and annoyed Eurovision fans who'd all been up since 5am Australian time

[@John_Weiss]

6:00 The CBC radio program, "As It Happens," did a comparison of Duncan Lawrence's winning song and the UK's last-place entry. They played the first 30 seconds of both. And the last 30 seconds of both. They. Sounded. _the Fscking Same._ Sorry, Duncan, but you won because everybody was listening to your song by watching the official music video with their pants down. And you know what? _I can't even remember Duncan Lawrence's song, any more than I remember what the UK entered. The songs I remember from that year are "Hatrid mun sigra" [which I still play] and Jendrik's, "I Don't Feel Hate," which I found cute and endearing.

[@edmundtory6931]

best ESC channel I swear

[@Alex-lp6bg]

Keiino winning the public vote and getting the screwed over by the jury vote was the final straw that showed how much the jury is voting for what they want Eurovision to be instead of what it actually is.

[@LucaGarzeli]

But they gave tons of votes to Netta in 2018, in the 70th aniversary of Israel state, or ukranian rappers in 2022, in the middle of the invasion to Ukraine. Jury change their minds when "required".

[@joonastalvinen]

Nah. it was because the jury version of the performance had bad technical problems.

[@Alex-lp6bg]

@@joonastalvinen They didn't let them perform again even thought they petitioned.. so the argument of the jury must have been that it wouldn't have mattered.

[@AliceFlynn]

Except Arcade became a worldwide smash hit.. The juries are there for a reason, an act needs to have legs beyond Eurovision.

[@samuelgordino]

Keiino winning the public vote and loosing the jury vote wasn't anything special. Happened almost half off the times. Not even the biggest difference

[@Yiago]

My idea is given 12 10 8 points ... To world regions Us & Canada Rest of America Africa & middle east Asia NZ & Oceanía

[@babygrogu845]

Great idea😃💪

[@Mloofylicious]

Let's make Eurovision spread out even further than COVID. Just with a positive outcome:)

[@jensfoell4208]

Always love y'all's reporting on this event, looking forward to more -- and also: US overthinkers will always be welcome at this German's parties

[@overthinkingit]

Danke!

[@stekra3159]

I think if they are going to do national shows like in Canada the US and Latin America Africa and Asia the winners soud be able to compete in euro vision.

[@timster_]

i was looking forward to some overthinking it videos as soon as i realized it was eurovision season. Oh well, guess youtube didnt think i should see it until a month late

[@jupiter3067]

The Canadian don't follow ESC at all. They don't speak about it, except when a canadian did participate. For example : Céine Dion in 1988... but only to inform she won 2001 : Natasha St-Pierre.... 4st.... And this year... no canadian media follow the ESC. If France expect to get some points from Canada... forget it. Now why should North American music industry come to disturbe europeans (yes EBU members would be more precise) music industry. We got enough english songs... and not sure if english people from north america would be touched by different european countries music styles They would probably vote for UK song or any other "generic" yet americain pop music style song....

[@noellenn2122]

Opening voting up to the rest of the World is, I suspect, mostly financially motivated. Network providers will be battling for the right to handle all those in-coming votes and the revenue each paid vote from across the globe will bring. The boosted global visibility of ESC itself will bring in more advertisers, particularly North American advertisers. It’s good business to go global.

[@starryk79]

I don't mind that change as it has little effect on the outcome anyway. And i am also agreeing that they should keep the juries for the final. I just watched the old recording of the ESC 2004 yesterday (can be found on the ESC KZbin channel) and it was so predictable. Ireland voted for the UK, Germany for Turkey (the biggest group of migrants living in Germany), of course all scandinavian countries for each other and all the balkan countries also for each other, same of course for all former soviet countries. And while this is still happening to some extent it is definitely less prominent with the juries balancing it out a bit. And yes the current way of presenting the votes keeps it really exciting until the very end. So they definitely need to keep that.

[@statsy150]

I will let you vote with no complains as long as you call it football from now on

[@overthinkingit]

You have no idea how big the NFL is around here. "Football" is taken, sorry.

[@mendesjosr4438]

An american, Will Farrell saved Eurovision in 2020. The year of the pandemic that was it: it was the movie representing. For that alone we can welcome the US

[@christofheimhilcher9430]

I think there will never be a fair public voting. The system is from the 60s, when there was very little immigration within Europe so the population of each country was quiete homogenous. Today Millions of Europeans live in another European country. And those immigrant source countries have a slight advantage. At least most: Turkey did always very well in ESC, as does Serbia currently. Poland on the other hand is the origin of many immigrants in Europe and they never do well. So it needs a mixture of a large diaspora, an interest in the ESC and some amount of nationalism. People have to take the effort to participate in the voting process. Look at me: I am a huge fan of ESC but i seldom participate in the voting. ( I did vote for Trenuletul, though!) But: block and immigrant voting aside: these save you only from the dreaded 0 points. It is not enough to win the competition. And to be honest: if let's say the balkan countries exchange 12 points, I prefer that anytime over the exchange of bullets and grenades. I'd love to see Armenia and Aserbaidjan exchange 12 points regularily or one day Russia and Ukraine again. The voting system is anachronistic. But ESC is also a big party. A party bringing people from all over Europe together. And this is what we need in those times. And the bigger the party, the merrier. So welcome world to the voting, welcome to the show, welcome to the party! BTW: this event is called the Eurovision Song Contest, not the European Song Contest. So non European EBU members like Georgia, Armenia, Aserbaidjan, Israel, and recently Australia could join. But to any good ESC bullshit bingo sheet you have to add: "Someone complains on social media that country xy takes part although not a European country".

[@deniseribeirodesouza6196]

I was so happy that i was gonna be able to vote! But it turns out that it was way too expensive for me 😂 🇧🇷

[@michelasdisappointmentanda2304]

Your channel is precious and I love it

[@efi3825]

You think Australia is the furthest away from Europe? Last year had a band from the moon! But by the time that the man in the moon has given his vote, the show was already over due to the long distance transmission.

[@angelina6543]

Song being played on mainstream media doesn't mean people like to listen that song. Spirit in the sky is on my Eurovision playlist every time

[@davidhall7744]

The non European 'Eurovisions' will crash and burn - mark my words. From what I hear the US version didn't exactly set the heather alight.

[@radarbug5390]

It only lost so many viewers because everyone knew who was going to win by the second episode the K-pop fandom came crashing the Song contest

[@dumplechan]

An overly-complicated voting system where some people's votes weigh more heavily than others? The American electoral college has prepared me perfectly for ESC

[@LucaGarzeli]

Some thoughts: 1) Kick out the jury in semi WON'T solve completely the rigged votes problem. Remember how Moldova bought multiple sim cards in order to vote Natalia Gordienko from abroad in 2021 and reach the final (where only a few people voted for her). 2) When they implemented worldwide televote, I was afraid that US people will vote massively Ukraine as Europe did in 2022 trying to "help" Ukraine in their war. Luckily there are only 12 points to share in that new system, but I'm already afraid that this year we neither have competition, as Ukraine is BIG favourite in odds right now (as they were in February 2022). Anyways, welcome US people to ESC, I loved your past year's winner of ASC, and Alessia Michelle are very welcomed here working in their social networks for some years!

[@babygrogu845]

I agree, but 12 points would not be of much difference for eventual winner (examples being ESC 2004-2022, in short all ESC editions with contemporary voting system)

[@orange_cherry]

Not "help", but support. Anyway, thanks for your support too, i wish you will never have a war in your country and will get some empathy to people 💜💜💜

[@neconeconeco]

@@orange_cherry Olenka, sending so much love to you. When the televote came in for Ukraine last year, I was sobbing, it felt like the rest of europe had given a big hug to their dear cousin. my in-laws live just across the river from your beautiful country. the storks fly across the water and do not know the difference from one land to the next. the boys who won for ukraine would surely trade all their points for just one day without war. people lose their hearts when it comes to a contest that is supposed to be about celebration. i hope you are well and love from afar.

[@williamh3990]

I support this rule change

[@georgedavis7741]

Thanks Eurovision, I'm now voting from China 😇

[@ansiedade678]

I feel like next time, they could have Kazakhstan & Kosovo join and maybe have ASC and EuroCanada be NF's and have them participate in the ESC as well. Would have helped this year as we only had 37 participants this year instead of the usual 40-41.

[@selmaj8419]

They should fix the problems with european countries first before they invite the whole world to participate :) we don‘t want every single country in eurovision… I mean it‘s unfair that some european countries can‘t participate anymore and we should now fill their places with non- european countries? No thank you…

[@tonylopez-berardinelli4689]

I think the majority of the votes will come from the US. However, I think most of those votes will be from die-hard esc fans and not particularly casual viewers or Ukrainian refugees. To me, the "rest of the world" voting will be more reflective of what the esc fandom likes rather than immigrants or cultural ties. The 12 points would either go to Finland or Sweden

[@stekra3159]

They shoud ban them form the finals to.

[@Massev6871]

Just to be clear, it was not about being in Europe (eg Israel) it was about being a member of the European Broadcasting Union.:-)

[@CasualUmami]

I watched the video at 1944 views. How fitting! :)

[@davek303]

Please stop refering to La Zarra as "Canadian". She's from Quebec.

[@idraote]

Let's be very honest though... Last year there might have been some cheating going on, but those six countries also happened to give high votes to Italy too (Italy was not part of the scandal). Curiously enough, the "balancing points system" found out by Österdahl and his team sank Italy and - who would have thought - gave a strong push upwards to Sweden who had a very mediocre, nondescript entry decently sung by a competent but underwhelming performer. I will have to be forgiven if I think that the remedy was worse the the ill.

I think about how many Latin American votes will go to Spain.

[@RuiPSGoncalves]

And ASC won't get a second edition.

[@MyBroSux24]

This year at least. We will see after Canadavision.

[@overthinkingit]

We didn't say the EBU was particular SUCCESSFUL at trying to grow the brand beyond Europe, just that they're TRYING. Also: RIP ASC, we did our best to get some buzz going for you. 😥

[@LilliD3]

I really need a Croatian over thinking it.

[@CasualUmami]

"... because the United States is not technically part of Europe" Nope, it's always been about US public broadcasters not being members of the EBU. But then again, they couldn't because the US is too far away from the satellite that defines the geographic region eligible. But then again, Australia's SBS is only an associate member as well. 🤷

[@overthinkingit]

This is just “united states is not part of Europe” with extra steps!

[@CasualUmami]

@@overthinkingit So would you say that overcomplicating is not as socially acceptable as overthinking? 😉

[@LeNaSmileyStar]

meh....AUstralia's part of the commonwealth when they were invited in. Shrugs... maybe Canada should be next in line to join? Rest of the world voting, eeeeh, it's a sales gimmick for expansion.

[@kinaskatinaszalia]

Australia has been in the TOP 10 4 times 😉

[@windmachineproductions]

I am Max Anger!

[@overthinkingit]

😨

[@porculizador]

How are Americans going to vote? We are cockblocked, um, geoblocked from seeing the contest

[@overthinkingit]

I've never understood that. I can go on KZbin and watch official highlights from the Superbowl right now and that's the biggest televised event in the United States. Who benefits from preventing Americans from seeing Eurovision without logging into Peacock? I don't even think Peacock benefits.

[@semper9565]

Which country is now most spread everywhere? I tell you: this is a vote with dedication for Ukraine. Shame om you, ESC!

[@annetteb2340]

No. That is terrible cheese.

[@overthinkingit]

Is it tho?

[@puffle_huff9400]

@@overthinkingit yes and thats coming from an austrian-usamerican

[@iyawakarehen]

it is more acceptable as cheese than the monster vehicle from the previous slide is acceptable as a reasonably sized car tbh

[@Winnywutz]

That's the worst cheese you can get in Europe

[@lyalyalya2]

I don't like the idea if international voting. Spanish speaking countries (Latin America) will all vote for Spain no matter what song they have, Canada will vote for France and US will vote for the most boring and americanized pop-song in the contest.

[@radarbug5390]

Trust me Latin Americans don’t like Spaniards especially Mexico they absolutely despise Spain

[@radarbug5390]

There is more English speaking Canadians then Francophone ones so I think they probably wouldn’t maybe this year yeah because La Zarra is from Quebec but not any other year

[@Jakromha]

We're fine with Australia because they have good taste in music. America and Canada don't. Let them have their own contest seperate from ours.

[@overthinkingit]

We tried, bro.

[@cupcake8867]

Most European pop is an imitation of American music.

[@Jakromha]

@@cupcake8867 *improvement

[@cupcake8867]

@@Jakromha Lol, no. There are too many American legends to count. They aren’t the ones imitating. They were the pioneers and the ones being copied. That’s why half of the contestants sound American when they sing.😂

[@Jakromha]

@@cupcake8867 I think you don't understand what improvement means. It's copying while changing it to something better than the source. American music is the source that's being copied. European music is the better end product.

[@havardrodsand]

Second!

[@rvdm6128]

No No don't ruin Eurovision It's not soccer it's football

[@overthinkingit]

Is it tho?

[@rvdm6128]

@@overthinkingit I love you guys and your videos. but I think Americans are going to ruin Eurovision And the real football is what the rest of the world ⚽

[@muddyfeet69]

@overthinkingit It is only a matter of time before the EBU invites the US and Canada to take part in Eurovision (as they did with Australia). Belarus and Russia will not be in the ESC for the next few years and some of the Balkan countries don't have enough money to pay the participation fee... so the EBU needs more strong countries to join the club - to keep the show on this high level.

[@AammaK]

I don’t believe that at all. US already started Americavision or whatever it’s called. Canada I could see happening WAY into the future, as a one time thing most likely, but making it a continuing thing would probably be the downfall of EBU in the eyes of countries who have taken part for decades. EBU could lost these countries as a protest. The big five would have a huge impact in deciding if that should happen, all they had to do is to threaten to retract future funding. Australia was invited as a one time gesture of politeness, but it stuck. It’s a weird result of events but I think it only works as an exception. This would probably be the only way to even suggest participation of North America, to introduce a one time participation and then continue according to the public reception. I also can’t see US and Canada having much motivation to fund a niche european contest with very limited fandom in their own populations. If the public loses interest and ESC isn’t economically benefial for the North Americans there’s no point in continuing funding as just charity. There are a lot of different ways EBU could improve international collaboration and draw in funds from other sources though, but I don’t think inviting outside countries would be the most sustainable solution any time soon.

[@thevikingbear2343]

Spirit in The Sky > Arcade.

[@XSunacX]

I can accept the "soccer", but that car is HUUUUUGE

[@lucillerenard9019]

I’m French and living abroad, very excited to vote this year!

[@mendesjosr4438]

"Perfectly good cheese" laughing AT you in European

[@vveles]

Does this mean the official streams will no longer be geoblocked?

[@quaithe1]

Let's face it, the reason they're giving the rest of the world a chance to (pay to) vote is money. Same reason they wouldn't make a statement by holding a smaller event in Lviv this year.

[@semper9565]

And to give votes to Ukraine from refugees of everywhere.

[@sarahenchanted]

I feel like it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation when it comes to voting and points. People are gonna be outraged at whatever system no matter what. The system they've used for the grand final since 2016 is great and keeps you on your toes. I get why people don't like the change with the semis, but I'm willing to see how it plays out. Putting in songs that the public enjoys in the grand final might make it fun and enjoyable. If it doesn't work out that well then so be it.

[@madalinaanton3253]

I personally don't think children, mothers, elderly people and single women had voting in Eurovision as their first priority in f*ing May last year. I did vote for them, for Moldova and for France but if I was a refugee that would not be the first thing that I would do 2 months after my country got invaded. My argument against the juries is pretty obvious, I don't want them gone, but may I remind you our juries in Romania are very very patriotic, they would never give their 12 points to someone else rather than Moldova, including last year,people were mainly mad that they took our 12 points from Moldova and gave them to Ukraine, it was a big scandal on romanian television that Moldova did not give us 12 points and their juries were made to explain and were like: we love Romania, this doesn't matter, we are so sorry, it doesn't define us. TVR were ready to sue because they also discovered 3 other countries voted for eachother in the semi and in the final, it would've been some good quality drama but I think TVR realised it is better to use the money for the lawyers for paying the tax to register in Eurovision again .

[@krisandres2011]

At this point, the EBU is looking beyond Europe and Australia in an effort to create a “Worldvision” type of contest, purist fans be damned.

[@doudoubapt]

I think the vote from the rest of the world is a way to know where people look the show via the IP adress. For example, if EBU remarks a lot of votes comes from Mexico, why not invite them for the next year.

[@selmaj8419]

But why should they invite countries that aren‘t in europe? Eurovision wouldn‘t be eurovision if every country would participate…

[@christofheimhilcher9430]

@@selmaj8419 You mean European countries like Australia, Armenia, Aserbaidjan, Georgia and Israel?

[@Eum67]

@@christofheimhilcher9430they all are European 😂 Caucasian countries compete in all European events and culturally are Europe (apart from AZ which tends to be Islamic culture). Australia has been watching the contest a long time and connects with its ancestors from Europe. Same as Israel.

[@garvani]

Americans shall be able to join, but just think first of the possibility to have to handle the chance of getting the last position sometime. In the near past years Germany has got that place 3 times, UK 2 times, Spain, Portugal, France 1 time... That does not mean that their songs were so bad, but someone has to take that place in a competition.

[@nunoandresilva93]

Even in public voting, the exchange of votes is common. Which i think is ridiculous, you should vote for the best song. I'm portuguese and i still can't believe we won in 2017, given that we only have borders with Spain

[@old.not.too.grumpy.]

I do hope Americans aren't allowed to vote in Eurovion. I mean they don't have a history of making good choices in their own elections. I really don't think we can trust them to vote for the best song😂😂😂

[@stekra3159]

I want America to be in Eurovision if Australia and Canada can so cant you? An Austrian. I want every country in and not in the UN to be part of Eurovision.

[@stekra3159]

For the Like it ore not Eurovstion has become one of Europes biggest cultural exports its selling Europes songs and talent ot the world.

[@thinkabouteurovision2910]

I will not have this Scooch slander on my timeline 😂😉

[@pirukiddingme1908]

I must immediately read any and all Max Anger content thank you daddy österdahl

[@overthinkingit]

What we want to know is in the original Swedish is that guy's name still "Max Anger" or is it whatever the Swedish translation of "Max Anger" is?

[@pirukiddingme1908]

@@overthinkingit hold the phone, I just googled Max anger, and someone made a tv show based on him?! Martin’s bow has many strings indeed

[@caldunn6272]

@@overthinkingit that's his name in the original! At least, I found a synopsis of the first book in Swedish and the only words I could understand were "Max Anger", so I'm pretty confident:)

[@rvgf3715]

2 things 1. The international televote may help to decrease the fees which in turn may allow countries like Boznia and Herzegovina + Montenegro to participate again which is always great. 2. Croatia needs a overthinking it this year Love the content thanks from Ireland

[@abdirahmanmoussa351]

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[@fgb1929]

5:35 Wrong: The lyrics weren‘t sami, it was a traditional sami singing style. Just like yodeling is a german/austrian/swiss traditional singing style but it‘s not made of german lyrics.

[@overthinkingit]

The official Eurovision website says there were actual Sami lyrics, as well as the joiking: eurovision.tv/story/keiino-sing-and-joik-in-the-first-rehearsal-of-norway

[@darwintano1996]

You mean "JOIKING", idiot. 🙄🤦 And yes, there's lyrics in (Northern) Sami, so he's STILL correct.

[@j0hnegan]

The jury votes were reintegrated for other, more pressing reasons. Indeed Scandinavian, Russophone and Yugophone states were propping each other up--at the expense of unaligned, small countries that had participated for decades. These were votes based on familiarity rather than politics, but they still skewed qualification massively. Second was the calibre of talent in non-aligned participants: why would an established artist from France (Kaas), Spain (Soler), or the Netherlands (Anouk) risk humiliation when the numbers were staked against them in a televote? Finally, heads of delegations conceded that televotes cannot be calibrated to music/entry/performance/song quality: people cast votes for any reason that want. Juries at least can be tasked with applying specific criteria. It will be interesting to see how many unaligned delegations qualify for the Liverpool Grand Final. Love your work.

[@PennyAfNorberg]

Funny the jury/televote system now is just like the one in sweden, except international votes.

[@annVKh]

We have encouraged each other to vote abroad for Ukraine last year. As an action of support of course)

[@Bibir3321]

NO!!!!! Not really fair if it flips elections :-/

[@igortirkajla8042]

I like these changes. Although juries aren't perfect either (funny how every single Armenian juror puts any Azerbaijani entry at dead last position, and vice versa) they are still good balance to overly patriotic immigrant voting for their country of origin regardless of the song. Or voting for the country they like, again, regardless of the song. Last, but certainly not the least, let's not forget those eurofans obsessed with campy/"slay" entries. According to them, so far this year the best song is from Norway - something no one outside the fandom (and Norway and its neighbouring countries) won't be listening to after the show, just like it happened with Keiino.