Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World

[@PooyaFarshim]

Having lived in Germany, for years I searched for the words that this man put so eloquently.

[@HansHorst-fu2il]

Oh yes, if we have to be a "German" to give the foreigner a good impression, of course you don't go like, "oh yeah, like i don't care today if we invade our neighbours". (Bro we have to assume that Schuld is what you want us to perform :D, i do it the same way with foreigners, just to reassure them.) So yeah it is a sort of unauthentic performative display, but it comes from good intentions, because usually, humans do make assumptions about each other based on their nationality, so we the younger generation have this uncertainty to deal with and a generic and accepted way of doing so..

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@HansHorst-fu2il The problem with guilt pride isn't the admission of the crime, but that said admission doesn't lead to humility. The point of guilt pride is pride, it lets one feel morally superior and results in arrogance and self righteousness. All of this says nothing about whether one supports attacking the neighbours or not.

[@HansHorst-fu2il]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn agreed, it is very hypocritical, but give me one nation that practices humility, and why should a nation be expected to? It's just a cultural narrative among humans that also practice factory animal farming. It's really the same thing, only genocide is for extermination, while factory farming animals is for perpetuation and enrichment. You can normalize whatever you want, most of human logic is hypocrisy

[@HansHorst-fu2il]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn hypocrisy is the basic mode of international relations, we just happen to use our specific flavor ;)

[@nostalji93]

​@@ArawnOfAnnwn Well in my case it let to depression, drug abuse and me becomming an misantrope. I studied evolution (biology) and observing human nature and behaviour is extremely depressing to me. I cannot come to an other conclusion: Our behaviour is peak parasidic behaviour. We take without gving. And captalism selects for the worst of humanity. Not that feudalism was any better, but our destructive behaviour increased. People used to life more in harmony with nature.

[@Aaayhdjfyy]

Earlier this year the sinti and roma of Germany had an holocaust remembrance „Event“ and they invited politicians, journalists and activists. You know how many politicians from the current Ampel Regierung came to visit it? Not a single one. And that’s all you have to know about the German Errinerungskultur

[@DasWeiwei-sk6eu]

It seems, the Sinti and Roma are not the right kind of victim, not the victim we support by all means and we want to present to the world. It always depends on the political agenda. The plan has always since WW2 been to support the State of Isreal, from its planning to its weaponizing even with nuclear arms to its maintenance and its wars. Since the upcoming of the LGBTIQ+ image campaign (its the same thing: shaping a high pseudomoralistic profile) the "queer victims" of the concentration camps have been hyped. It's nothing more than propaganda. They are not even interested in historical facts.

[@BilalKhan-yg9jc]

It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land. That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.

[@christophvohland8407]

Yes!!

[@melrosepark4463]

It’s Heuchelei.

[@BilalKhan-yg9jc]

@@Aaayhdjfyy it's just hypocrisy. israHell had no right to exist on Palestinian land. If they were really concerned about European Jews, they should have given them a piece of land in Germany.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

Vergangenheitsbewältigungsweltmeister! It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around

[@IHSchwingo]

"It is actually deeply disturbing to witness how Guilt Pride can lead to self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around" Do you have any examples of this, because I'm having a hard time picturing it.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

@@IHSchwingo German politicians accusing Zionism-critical Jews, f.e. "Jewish Voice for Peace", of Antisemitism and castigating other politicians who quote them is one of the most ignorant examples of instrumentalized Antisemitism smears. Germany is on a hiatus now but normally is the second largest weapons supplier to Israel and in plenty other ways complicit in the death of thousands of Palestinian civilians supposedly in the name of "Never again" we allegedly have learned from our history etc

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

@@IHSchwingo 20:10 This is an example in the video

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

@@imacg5 It's probably a good example of Nietzsches "Slave Morality" in practice and illustrates the impliciit mechanics he criticised

[@IHSchwingo]

@@alexanderleuchte5132 Oh, ok. I wouldn't describe her cancelation as "self rightousness that acts as a free pass to behave completely ignorant in the present while parading a fetishized hypervirtuesness concerning the past around", but I can see where you're comming from.

[@TheDotBot]

The problem with German guilt isn't so much that it's there, the problem is that it's instrumentalised like a commodity.

[@enysuntra1347]

Schuld (guilt) cannot be held collectively, only individually; those who were 18 in 1945 now are 97 years old. (Full age of responsibility still is 21, which makes those able to be fully guilty at all a round 100.) There is no "German guilt", and guilt also is nothing you can take pride in. What IS a thing is German responsibility. Germany could enjoy a comfortable life, when some of the countries invaded by the so-called "Third Empire" suffered and were much worse off. It is a good thing to stress that there is a responsibility for the past. However, your opinion about instrumentalisation of how to address this responsibility is correct. It makes me sick to be a German when I see how prominently some people display their "willingness" to take on this responsibility; not that Germany does confront its responsibility worse than other countries, to the contrary there is a lot that's better than, say, in Turkey or other countries. But the self-rightousness to be amongst those "chosen few" who do it "right", the tunnel vision not to look beyond Germany, and also the hypocrisy being "responsible" towards one group, while to a much lesser extend towards other prosecuted groups, or groups abroad. This for me proves those people haven't understood what it means Germany is "responsible". It's not even a show; those people simply don't know any better.

[@TheDotBot]

@@enysuntra1347 Whether you call it guilt, responsibility, or in its latest rebranding, "Erinnerungskultur" seems like a difference without a meaningful distinction, the point is how it's applied. It's like a collective oath, or something. I'm all for it as a historical reference point and a thought starter, but not the way it's often used as a thought stopper (Godwin's law, essentially). I'd rather decisions were made on the strength of current ethical considerations than this increasingly artificial otherworldly historical guilt, responsibility, memory, lessons learned or whatever it's called. Even if it leads to the same decision being made.

[@enysuntra1347]

@@TheDotBot Sorry if I was unclear. Again: Guilt is individual. You do something bad because you chose to do it, you're guilty. Responsibility is a very different thing. You live in a country that profits to this day from a crime, you are not guilty of this crime, but still responsible to see that it doesn't happen again, and that those suffering because of it get restitution. That's no "rebranding".

[@TheDotBot]

@@enysuntra1347 Words mean different things in different contexts, and in this context, terms like "collective guilt", "memorial culture" and whatever are used interchangeably and serve exactly the same purpose, so they mean exactly the same thing. The difference is just spin. And rebranding is all about spin, not the underlying message, call to action, rationale. That all stays the same regardless of the label you stick on it.

[@TheDotBot]

And just to avoid misunderstandings, reframing, spin, sugar-coating, and rebranding are essential components in political discourse for the simple reason that perceptions affect expectations that determine outcomes, but it's equally important for voters to grow tf up and look behind the nice words and think about the actual meaning unless they want to feel duped yet again by those evil nasty powers that be.

[@guilhermeandradedaveiga5605]

2:25 I can only remember that joke...: The CIA agent meets the KGB one in a bar, and says: "The propaganda you guys make is incredible, congrats, really strong stuff" The KGB one replies: "Oooh no, we can't possibly compete with the propaganda you guys put out" "Propaganda? Us? What propaganda?", questions the baffled CIA agent.

[@rosesprog1722]

True story: Walter Schellenberg and his Soviet counterpart were having a drink and chatting away. After inhibitions had been reduced to a dangerous level, the Soviet guy asked: We heard that you are planning to invade us and that it's called Operation Barbarossa, is it true? Schellenberg, an amazingly fast thinker and believable liar answered: That's true, we injected that rumour in the hope that the British will fall for it. If they do, they will get comfortable, lower their defenses, go out on wild goose chases, you know Churchill, and we will attack them when they least expect it. That appeared to satisfy the Ruskie but then, Schellenberg added: We also heard about a so-called Operation Groza (Thunderstorm) is there any truth to it? The Commie went red, and said he never heard about it. Back at redquarters, the dude filed his report and Stalin chose to believe Schellenberg, felt comfortable, thought he had all his time, and was caught wholly unprepared when the Wehrmacht stormed in. Problem: I just can't remember where I put the darn file, I have 2T of WW2 data, and terrible organizational skills but I definitely have it. BTW, enemy spies did not kill each other and they did socialize with each other, after all, there is nothing more useless than a dead spy. Cheers.

[@dave23720]

the point is western leaders work with princepls and values even if many times misgided, the rus dont have values nor a vision for the future

[@amalekh]

@@dave23720 Project MK-Ultra was a clear demonstration of CIA values and a vision for the future

[@dave23720]

@@amalekh no one said the didn’t do despicable things.. but at least there is a vision - “democracy” the soviets had a vision too but Russia today has nothing..

[@amalekh]

@@dave23720 so what is the value of vision and democracy, when your populace is unwillingly subjected to serious brain damaging drug with the purpose of mind control. Soviets did things of the same level of depravity, let's be honest. Modern Russia on the other hand is very honest about her vision for the world: "You get the hell out from our sphere of influence with your tanks, bombs and anti-Russian alliances, then we can help you fix your dying out economies with the reasonably priced recources".

[@telekommandant]

In some kind of sick collective mentality we Germans don't allow anyone else to have their own Holocaust. It's our precious and just ours. Whenever there was or is any kind of genozid or crime against humanity after 1945 we claim that none of these can outdo our attempt to wipe out Jewish people. And therefore we take so much pride in our guilt. Even the state of Israel had forgiven us long time ago, but we still have to blame ourselves. It's good to remember the past and learn from it but not if this becomes a pathological obsession.

[@SG550-xo1oo]

@@telekommandant VERY Interesting! The holocausts before The WW2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKqufXampbhgga8si=xdNrhhHvQQPvvcpw

[@jeremybeau8334]

Thats why i love México. For mexicans your crime is not sacred. Is just as bad as any other.

[@TheGahta]

the state of israel may have publicly forgiven but they sure never stopped collecting their reparations XD

[@imacds]

It gets even weirder - the controversy surrounding the phrase "Polish death camps" is really interesting to me. The amicable relations between Israel and Germany, in comparison to Israel and Poland, led to some government officials blaming Poland more than Germany for the atrocities that occured on their soil...

[@websitemartian]

i didnt realize they had publicly forgiven that ... we hear about holocaust survivers ALOT in the us.... so i was going to comment that once the jews themselves forgive then i would say you can move on ... though 200 years later we are still hassled about slavery

[@ItsOgre]

It’s amazing this “guilt” or more accurately “shame” culture doesn’t extend to Roma people, or Africans or Russians but only a settler colony allowed into being by a British anti-Semite Balfour in order to get rid of Jewish people he found problematic and prone to Bolshevik sympathies if not outright communists.

[@BobHooker]

Funny word games, but for Jewish families it means that everyone in their family in Europe, and all their families friends and bosses, and customers, and teachers and lovers, and enemies, and classmates, and street cleaners were MURDERED in 4 years.

[@GammaJK]

What? No they sent Jews to Israel because they loved them! What the hell is the Haavara Agreement?

[@zenger74]

​@@GammaJKIt is only one example of zionist collaboration with the nazis, there are many more, starting just after 1933. It is far beyond disgusting, what zionism has been/is capable of

[@richardenders6606]

@ItsOgre - Rubbish

[@fasted8468]

No one ever said the Roma run the world.

[@romanovrex]

Victor Frankel, said famous when confronted by questions of why he still wrote in German after surviving internment in Auswitch, that there is no such thing as collective guilt.

[@longiusaescius2537]

I agree

[@rhymingisfun1]

​@@torquemaddertorquemadder2080 Victor Frankl survived the concentration camps, so it wasn't about defense here

[@DT-xz7hb]

Well it was his first language. The American individuala questioning his decision to write in his beloved native tongue (I am referencing the examples he puts forward in his books here) weren’t particularly smart or insightful

[@pamphletier]

This is true, but there is a collective responsibility to learn from the past.

[@nihilioellipsis]

if you believe that nations exist then collective everything exists. On a one-to-one basis there is no collective guilty and responsibility unless it comes from the individual. The right wing would like to erase collective responsibility to pave the way for hostile, aggressive, destructive political action of the future undertaken under the guise of universal goodnes. And there is noleft wing cuz no opposition will be tolerated in the global establishment of authoritotalitarianism. don’t you see, both individual and collective identity is being defeated. soon enough there will be no politically and historically empowered Germanness or Italianness or Blackness or femaleness, &c., just obedience to power.

[@NaderNabilart]

Truly the greatest explaination of what's happening in germany right now. At first I refused to believe it's simply guilt because I am a bit more materialist, I don't see German guilt around Namibia, Roma people, etc. Kept asking what's the catch? How is this materially benefiting the German state? Wasn't before Scholz's speech about "Deutschland raison d'être/d'état" that I realized it's way deeper than I thought. It's still a materialist urge but for actual existence. The more I learn about Germany, It's clearer to me how much its worldview and population have been heavily shaped by the US.

[@ludviglidstrom6924]

Germany actually makes a lot of money by selling weapons to Israel, but still…

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

Don't see German guilt around the 22 million Soviet citizens they've murdered

[@Ganpignanus]

aren't Germany selling weapons for this genocide to izrili?

[@Ganpignanus]

$$$$$$$ the love of money is the root of all evil. they may not be guilty feeling but they are greedy. you can count on that.

[@Team_Fauda_Germany]

As a german i found this interesting but speaking for my generation: I cannot relate at all. I sure can't be blamed for what happened during WW2 and even my parents were born after 1945. I even remember in school we were intensively taught what is too far right because of WW2 but at the same time we learned not to be oppressed by guilt in any form. School subject ethics. We learned that guilt thats put on to you is always manipulative and as a secular state we should even be aware of the term guilt in christianity. I am also not guilty of Jesus death. So i can clearly say the theory above may apply to the elderly. But my generation is just extremely proud that Germany went from ant-jewish fanatism to supporting the fight against anti-jewish fanatism. Thats a huge development. That is compassion, that is empathy and anti-racism.

[@BadEmpanada]

Good video, I'm glad you're back again

[@minility8030]

Hello vaguely ethnic man

[@Oliver-ne6yq]

love your new haircut king

[@hyrulehollowtitan9657]

yooo chairman badempanada

[@SixTough]

Aren't you the pro palestine guy?

[@user-ve7hn2dh8h]

​@@SixToughwhat kind of question is this? Are you pro apartheid, pro genocide and pro ethno nationalism? Then you're a nazi it's that simple

[@chesterj-mq2ij]

Today I ripped a sticker off a street light here in Oldenburg, Germany. It was the iconic Antifa-logo but with an Israel-flag, on a rainbow background. They are so confused here, it's not a joke

[@johndough1703]

the only one "confused" is you. It's the Israelis telling you that it was them all along... and the Nazis were right. Cry about it all you want. The facts were literally in your hands, yet your GuiltPride Cowardice makes you refuse to see.

[@martinn.6082]

That's nothing, I've seen the Antifa logo with a US/Israel flag and "Antiideologische Aktion" as text.

[@flamesintheattic]

It's not that confused, some of the very first antifa orgs were aggressively Zionist.

[@Anon-i2z]

Bruhhh Israel is against LGBT... Confusion is on Max Level

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

Antifa is an arm of the imperialist ruling class. That's why they have no problem with Antifa and even use and support them at times. Also, that's why Antifa goes against anti-imperialist voices, calls them Nazis for being on the side of the global East and South who get constantly threatened, exploited or manipulated, and attacked by US imperialists and NATO. They use state media lies and culture war topics to support so called "color revolutions" where countries outside the western aligned sphere get targeted with CIA sponsored terror, and "regime" change operations where the aim is to remove the current power with one that is aligned with Western imperialist interests and gives resources away to the West for free or almost free. Antifa is not at all against fascism. They are a tool of imperialists and and of fascist economic policies (such as austerity policies and destruction of whole economies in the name of whatever)

[@Mightyass1]

I always learn something new when I watch your videos. The entire framework of profilicity is a tremendous tool when attempting to understand the world we live in.

[@forest_green]

I'm an Indigenous person born in canada and this reminds me so much of what the liberal party and education are trying to do regarding truth and reconciliation. Establish a few councils, find a good script to do a nice land acknowledgement, and then do NOTHING or even worse than nothing to improve the material existence of us Indigenous people currently surviving the ongoing soft genocide. Solidarity with my Palestinian cousins, solidarity with my refugee cousins, solidarity with all people living under colonialism who also roll their eyes while their oppressors moan on and on about their guilt even as their boot is on our necks.

[@zsombortelek8411]

Hi indigenous person. Can you please elaborate on what soft genocide is? I'd appreciate it.

[@tethergobrrr]

I’m Australian, I think I know what a soft genocide is, because as soon as I read it I thought, that’s the language I’ve been missing. Thank you. We can’t decolonise unless we recognise what we’re doing now. I’m a settler, not the descendant of settlers, I’m still here and the land I’m on didn’t get any less stolen.

[@TingTong2568]

Indigenous Palestinians? Lmao. Yeah right.

[@62Cristoforo]

As a Canadian I see indigenous friends as having great difficulty in adjusting to western, judeo-Christian, Cartesian, capitalistic values and lifestyles, obviously. Only a fool would try to force a square peg into a round hole. But the other problem I see is the historical paternalistic co-dependency that has evolved over the centuries and now seems to be inculcated into the very fabric of Indigenous people and our soul-less government. A co-dependency was established as part of colonization process, and it persists today. If there is to be any true independence for the indigenous it must be designed, birthed, launched, nurtured and maintained entirely from within that community, with zero outside influence from the Canadian government.

[@forest_green]

@@zsombortelek8411 it's called a cultural genocide by other people. Unofficial practices that are supposedly outlawed still happening, such as birth alerts, nonconsensual sterilization of women, the practice of sending children who've been put into foster care out of their community and not allowing them to speak their language in their new foster care home, etc. the overpolicing of Indigenous people, the percentage of Indigenous children in foster care being so high, and the lack of support they get that leads them to be shunted almost directly into the carceral system once they're aged out of foster care. The fact that there are still communities that don't have safe drinking water in 2025. When there's a pandemic, the healthcare system sending our reserves body bags instead of masks and hand sanitizer. Among other things. That's what I'd call a soft genocide.

[@xyttra]

Guilt and Shame. Two most deeply powerful and controlling emotions. These seize your autonomy and your will.

[@penyarol83]

Both instilled in children very early by their own psychologically damaged parents.

[@Decton]

@@penyarol83 luckily only a few people, most of my friends don't really care because we werent alive back then

[@penyarol83]

@@Decton it's clearly not only a few people, and it's not really about the Holocaust but about instilling a generalized guilt and shame in children. I hope it's better with the current generations, but in the older generations this was (and still is) definitely a big problem. It's still a problem with anyone who was raised with complex trauma.

[@g.f.w.6402]

@@penyarol83 The trauma of the old generation, which has almost died out by now, is above all the collapse of the Eastern Front and the Russian invasion. The fact that 6 million people, mainly of German mother tongue, were killed did not play a major role for many, this generation had other problems. The younger generations understandably wonders how it was possible to kill millions of people who spoke German (or Yiddish) and were bearers of German culture, especially in Eastern Europe.

[@Yazz2014]

When guilt becomes an addiction it turns into masochism.

[@kylemenos]

It's worse than that. It is now a global propaganda campaign against white people. Germany didn't reform it's trust. It incriminated everyone around it based on it's own race theory again.

[@Bruce-yv9tm]

I have lived in Germany for a few years now and this has only become very clear to me since the reaction to October 7th and Israel's genocide. I always struggled to figure out German culture and their treatment of Nazism because it felt a bit too self-flagellant, too exaggerated. But now that you frame it as another way of attaining superiority it all makes sense.

[@Lazendra]

What?! That is outrageous! We are self flagellant to attain more superiority? Go, consult a psychiatrist! This whole guilt cult was inflicted upon us by Allies to keep us small!Nonetheless many people are done with it and support Palestinians for sure. And to claim that Germans seek to attain superiority only because the government supports Israel [ what does the US government do by the way) is unbelievable.

[@Potent_Techmology]

how is Israel "genociding" if there's more Palestinians now than 5 years ago and twice as many since 20 years ago. Islamic Palestine declined to share territory with Issrael, started multiple Soviet backed wars, and lost. After Oct 7th, any other powerful country would have actually genocided Islamic Palestine.

[@alexanderberan77]

As a german I can't understand the debate towards Israel terrorizing Gaza either. Every righteous critique towards Israel is immediately framed as antisemitism, however I think to link the horrendous crimes of the Israel state against Gaza, to judaism is kind of antisemetic, because it would be saying that those crimes are enacted by jews, instead of them being enacted by a right-wing almost fascist government. In my opinion that standpoint fuels antisemitism more, than just to critizice the warcrimes and slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians, undertaken by a nationalist government.

[@Bruce-yv9tm]

@@alexanderberan77 I don't think anyone is linking Israel's crimes in Gaza to Judaism itself. Also, yes Israel's government is far right, but something like 98% of Israel's population support the war (they disagree on the methods) and 65% think that rape of Palestinian prisoners is justified. Israeli society is radicalised as a whole, not just the government.

[@no1DdC]

@@Bruce-yv9tm Then you must have missed just how many supposedly "pro-Palestinian" marches went straight through Jewish quarters or stopped in front of synagogues and Jewish businesses, how many of those involved clearly antisemitic chants, how many of them resulted in direct violence against Jews who were just passing by. Not to mention, the massive increase in violent antisemitic hate crimes following the October 7th massacres, which ironically (and unintentionally) make it clear just how important the preservation of the Jewish state - the only country in the world where Jews aren't a persecuted minority - truly is.

[@gailism]

Guilt pride reminds me of how many Christians engage with the idea of being redeemed from sin and/or spiritually reborn. Salvation, some believe, requires that we reckon with the depths of our own depravity before we can be cleansed and made whole. Some Christians even believe that every single sin represents an additional degree of physical pain experienced by Christ on the cross: "with his stripes we are healed" (Isa. 53). As I child, I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins. I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed. Needless to say, those beliefs came with negative psychological consequences later in life.

[@jaegrant6441]

Yeah wow. True. Christianity is a mirror of domestic violence relationships. So much harm.

[@dietwald]

@gailism I think he briefly alluded to that at the beginning, but it was easy to miss. The parallel is causal, I think. German political culture is very protestant influenced for historical reasons, so I am sure there's an entire book worth to be written about this aspect.

[@dietwald]

@jaegrant6441 true. "I love you, and that's why if you don't do things my way, I will have to beat you."

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

"I believed that the authenticity of my salvation could be measured by the intensity of the guilt I felt for my own sins" "I leaned into guilt, in other words, to reassure myself that I was redeemed" What you are describing is certainly NOT Christianity. Are you saying you shouldn't feel guilt if you rob an old lady? Guilt persists as long as sin persists, and rightfully so. Christianity demands repentance and confession, not a constant feeling of guilt. How can you feel guilt if you repent, confess, and actually stay away from sin? You will have nothing to feel guilty about. On the contrary, the so-called "woke" people not only demand from certain people to constantly feel guilt[y], but they hold that these particular people are beyond redemption regardless of what they do - they will always carry the sin of their "Colonialist" fathers.

[@gailism]

@@JohnGeometresMaximos Christians are free to argue amongst themselves about what constitutes true Christianity. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I was simply sharing how I interpreted and internalized certain Christian ideas as a child. Those ideas and interpretations obviously do not represent every Christian or Christianity itself, and I did try to choose my words carefully to emphasize that.

[@nerolmars3701]

I’m an ancestor of people from Austria who were involved in WW2. I was born and raised in England away from this kind of education and discussion yet I still grew up to feel a sense of guilt. It doesn’t need to be instructed via education because it is already within many of us.

[@g.f.w.6402]

Du verstehst schon, dass wir das als PR nutzen und sicherstellen, dass Deutschland überall auftaucht? Ein Name muss in ALLEN Geschichtsbüchern stehen und in allen Medien kontinuierlich auftauchen: der Name Deutschland.

[@biglittlesplinter]

Assuming that your guilt was a priori is absurd

[@g.f.w.6402]

@@biglittlesplinter these people do not understand that past is misused by leftists for contemporary political fights. But history is science and not a political issue.

[@marcokalle2452]

It's actually quite insane that because if this guilt pride, Germany is indirectly again responsible for a genocide...

[@appendix-q6k]

Their guilt pride is so strong that they are allowing a Genocide to occur right in front of their eyes committed by the people they feel so guilty about.

[@drunkpekka4284]

Sure, let's believe the ministry serving cooked numbers.

[@PinkPanda-Zx]

Israel is not representative of Jews and/or Judaism. Just because Germany and Israel say so doesn't make it true.

[@nagato7169]

Right. Germany, in reality, is not sorry. What it's essentially doing is creating a grand show ehere it says sorry and expect other to clap for them. German support for Israel is a political facade ; not for serving justice to jews but to save German themselves from the past. And, of course, to portray themselves as morally superior.

[@jangmo2562]

antisemite spotted

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

maybe you shouldn't blame the most self-critical people in the world for their overt self-criticism if you don't want more self-criticism.

[@Zach-wr6fw]

I’m guilty - Love me!

[@ImpendingRiot83]

*_OR ELSE!_*

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

​@@ImpendingRiot83 Yes that is the problem. Perfectly said.

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

@rahulsubburaj9 you can repent. You can make up for your "sinns". Make the world a better place.

[@HeathenDance]

@@ImpendingRiot83 LOL.

[@Dekubud]

@rahulsubburaj9 In the hope of seeing forgiveness. That's how abusers often keep their victims around: they make them feel guilty for something -often something normal or made up- and gaslight them into believing they must go to great lengths to be forgiven. That's in fact exactly why Christianity teaches people that its impossible to be sinless and that they must constantly strive to be redeemed.

[@gryphon1six801]

Thank you for offering me some great insight into the mentality of my own people. I’m a German citizen that grew up mostly in the US and I have not been able to wrap my head around the obvious insanity of supporting a genocide as an apology for another genocide until now. Despite having grown up in America I always felt very German at heart but I have never felt more distant nor more saddened than now as my country descends into a psychosis that forbids any empathy or reason from breaking through.

[@Lazendra]

oh thank you for this contribution. Things getting better and better. Now, that the Allies have Germans into this guilt cult they are made responsible for it? Believe me, many German people are with Palestinians. Is that what US media now claim? That’s outrageous! In fact, Americans suffer from a psychosis forbidding any empathy for Germans and blaming them for whatever they do.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

don't worry, the way israel is going germany will ultimately end up being the only place for the jews in the world where they will still be tolerated.

[@Morris_-eo9lq]

During the Second World War, more than 500,000 Germans died as a result of Allied air raids. These attacks were deliberately carried out with incendiary bombs to inflict maximum damage on people, buildings, and infrastructure. (Just take a look at what happened in Dresden.) By the logic of the Palestinian demonstrators, this would have been considered a genocide. What I wonder is: where do you draw the line? What is war, and what is genocide? Because according to your current logic, almost every war could be labeled as a genocide, which gradually diminishes the meaning of the word.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@Morris_-eo9lq that's nothing yet. 2 million women were raped and artifical food shortage after the war was threatening the lives of 25 million people and all of this because of one vengeful Mr Morgenthau who had oversight over the policy which inadvertently lead to the death of more of his fellow jews who were the most emaciated after the war and alas were hurt the most by restrictive policies.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@Morris_-eo9lq when an old covenant command tells jews to destroy anything west of the red sea and their leader quotes from such scripture, why should noone consider that a stated intent of genocide? Don't the Benesz-Decrees signal a clearly stated intent of replacing ethnic minority germans at a time when most hostilities had officially ceased? Why should only small populations like jews or gypsies get to protest against prosecution?

[@pikachu7748]

Thanks for the great video. I just hope you won't be banned from entering Germany after such blasphemy.

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

@@pikachu7748 why would anyone want to go to Germany anyway

[@maxsimes]

​@@kremigmitsahne7197wonder where you are from?

[@supasf]

@kremigmitsahne7197 would you care to tell that to the millions of foreigners that're currently flooding in? Much appreciated

[@JOHN-wm2on]

​@@supasfTo be fair, the West kinda destroyed their countries through intervention and such.

[@supasf]

@JOHN-wm2on true to some extent. But that's not entirely true either. No ones bombing Morocco or Algeria and yet they're still flooding into Europe. The intervention excuse is just a cope

[@Dekubud]

I think a big issue with guilt is that we are not taught how to deal with it properly. It took me a long time to understand that sometimes, I felt guilty for something that I shouldn't feel guilt for and identifying that isn't easy. For example, I have ADD and chronic depression, and when my life situation becomes difficult, my disabilities flare up and make it hard for me to function properly, which leads to me feeling guilty for not performing as well at work or being able to take care of myself, my cat and/or my apartment properly. Even when, which is often the case, my disabilities are flaring up because I am being overworked. I think guilt is a good thing to have when we have done something wrong, but a feeling that is very often groomed into us by abusers, which I sincerely consider most bosses and politicians to be. Rightfully placed guilt leads us to apologize to those who we hurt, to offer them compensation for the hurt caused and helps us rebuild friendship or familial bonds. Doing those things should leave us with a feeling of peace, accomplishment and growth. Misplaced guilt is an insatiable monster because, since we have no internal understanding of scale and extent of the hurt we are meant to repair, it either leads us into servility towards those who we have been made to believe we have hurt or we eventually become angry and start perceiving those we are made to feel indebted towards as being the insatiable monster (which, in some cases like in abusive relationship or a lot of workplace environments is true). Thankfully, there are also people who learn to be more introspective and instead realize they have no guilt to feel but instead compassion and/or righteous anger. This is one of the main reasons why I wish more basic life skills were taught in schools. Introspection and emotional management, body hygiene, how to cook and clean, first aid, consent, sensitivity towards other cultures and identities, etc. are things that should be taught in school because relying on parents to teach those things is unfair and cruel towards children whose parents lack those skills, do not have the ability to teach them or are abusive.

[@mandys1505]

when pressured to both feel and display guilt for something a person didn't do, and wasn't even alive for when it happened, creates all sorts of confused blame and identification issues, especially if people cannot see that this is a profile or reputation motive... so instead of perceiving the dynamics of it, they either identify with pro or anti jewishness, when the issue is to become anti-profile boosting; its the similar thing in the usa, with making land- declarations at the beginning of every academic speech, saying, this land "rightfully belongs???" to the original people who lived here, the native americans who our distant predecesdors killed... / like, what??? they have to look up which tribe lived on the land which the property of the university or college stands on, and then say, this is 'really' the land of the so- and'so peoples... 🤔 it is so fake and what is more... it is bizarre. / i doubt that any knowlege or contact with the long gone tribal peoples even existed for over a hundred years... no living memory of the mentioned tribes. yet, lets seize the opportinity to pretend? or believe that the self is guilty? or? to make the others who are listening to the academic speech, feel in a place of guilt and shame... so as to create a shared living shame? and then to feel that they must have had something to do with it? it does feel like a way to manipulate audiences; once they have been dislodged, belittled and basically told to feel ashamed of themselves, now the speaker has a strange hold on them. They have been accused!

[@bobbellendovich6825]

Those parents shouldn't breed, but they don't know any better, or feel guilty for producing, ignorant, insensitive offspring.

[@waltraudboxall760]

Yes, I agree, in conjunction with ‘habits of the body’, we must be made aware, very consciously, of ‘habits of the mind’. Thus, we can learn by process, how ‘thinking’ is the cornerstone for ‘judging’. Hard work, really, not usually found in Schulstuben trading in ‘profiled’ chunks of knowledge.

[@penyarol83]

@@mandys1505I’ve heard those land acknowledgements before but never felt victimized and persecuted by them like you do. Maybe it’s an issue from your childhood where you were unfairly blamed by your parents or something, that’s leading you to feel so sensitive and take those land acknowledgements so personally?

[@mandys1505]

@penyarol83 oh... wrong person. you tagged me but i didnt say that

[@hm-iv8nv]

The 1990s were mostly dominated by "Schlusstrich" represented by Helmut Kohl who was chancellor until 1998. In 1995 the "Wehrmachtsausstellung" was scandalized for showing crimes of the Wehrmacht because the myth of the "clean Wehrmacht" was still widely believed. One year later Daniel Goldhagens book "Hitlers willing executioners" caused a big outrage. Even Norman Finkelstein, who today is basically persona non grata, could publish excerpts of his book on Goldhagen in Der Spiegel because his views alligned with the mainstream of german media. In 1998 the most famous living german writer was probably Günter Grass and not Walser. The quote presented in the video isn't even the one that was scandalised and the article by A&K presented in the video doesn't call Walser a clandestine Nazi. Walser was not only applauded by everyone in the audience except for Ignatz Bubis, his wife and Friedrich Schorlemmer but also by Rudolf Augstein in Der Spiegel and Frank Schirrmacher in the FAZ, two of germanys most influential media outlets. So much for the "largely pro guilt pride german media". 1999 was a crucial year for "Erinnerungskultur" because Joschka Fischer, Minister of foreign affairs and member of the Green Party, justified germanys first participation in a war since 1945 by claiming to "prevent a second Auschwitz" in the Kosovo. This marked the first time that germany used it's past not to stay out of wars but to engage in "military interventions" an justify it with it's past. This important event isn't even mentioned in the video.

[@leorkoubi4626]

I have to thank you for such a valuable perspective. I love what you wrote indicates. Do you happen to have any books or articles that give a better take on this perspective?

[@leorkoubi4626]

I also think that Carefree Wandering is wrong on their take of collective guilt. Of course no individual should be forced the blame of others however most people aren’t just individuals. We elect to be part of a community. Be it family history, a religion, ethnicity or pop culture. Any group we identify with, means that we are also partly responsible for its mistakes. I mean it wouldn’t be fair to inherit the gifts of that group, pride, wealth, security, without also inheriting the debts. I as an American have a great deal of gifts, A great deal of privileges. I get to be born in relative safety, I get to be born in relative wealth. I have opportunities that most of the world does not have. I have inherited those gifts and to the extent that I even could, I would not choose to give up those gifts of security and wealth a nd freedom. Yet, have no biological connection to the United States’s history of slavery or genocide to the American Indians. I still benefited from parts of it however. Both the good aspects and the bad. My parents are both immigrants. But I believe in the American vision of the world. I am buying into that shared identity. When I see the moon landing. I am proud. When I see how the us established the United Nations and helped wipe out Small Pox, I am proud. The history, the ideology, and the future of the United States is all something I deeply believe in. I identify with it. Since I believe the ideals the United States espoused are ideals worth fighting for. Ideals. I stand behind. I am also forced to confront the hypocrisy. The evil those ideals. Have done. The pride of the United States is inextricably linked to our shames. That isn’t to say that I am ashamed to be an American. I’m both. Like they say we contain multitudes. The same thing for cultures and nations. We contain multitudes. We cannot elect which aspects of a community we inherit.

[@JW-qk9ir]

Thank you for pointing that out

[@MieziMieziMiezi]

They are now succeeding greatly in Gaza.

[@nathandrake5544]

It's fascinating to me how the German Greens went from pacifist hippies to the most militaristic and pro-Atlanticist party

[@DasWeiwei-sk6eu]

This video us a great contribution to the actual political and cultural discussions and reveals an aspect that really helps to understand better some of the craziness that's going on. Thanks a lot! As a German (living abroad today) I particularly appreciate your work.

[@mr.goldenproductions_0143]

Us Germans always have to be the best in the world at what we do. Even at destroying ourselves.

[@JaJDoo]

currently germany is the strongest economy in europe so im not sure where you're going with this

[@thomaharadja5307]

@@JaJDoo Ah yes, the economy is good, the gdp line goes up, all is well for the economic zone known as Germany

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

​​​@@JaJDoo maybe they're going with the absurdity of Germany going full into the Ukraine war and by doing that heavily damaging their own economy. And for what, for a matter of principle? "invading other countries is wrong" While at the same time providing cover and weapons to a state that's committing mass atrocities against civilians. Which is also an invader and an occupier. So, basically, for no reason at all. By helping Israel Germany has no moral superiority over Russia.

[@soulsmouls]

The only people you're destroying is Palestinians buddy

[@yusefkhan1752]

And the best at avoiding responsibility for Palestine!

[@francegamer]

Reminds me of those who say in response to people questioning the slaughter of civilians by the allies "well, then they shouldn't started the war." Who is "they?" The dead children had no say in the war starting. Some people seem to say "ah, the Nazis/imperial japan/italy were bad because of racism and war crimes" and then claim war crimes against them were fine because they were of the wrong race.

[@cooledcannon]

Didn't the allies start the war?

[@drvansomeren]

"The past just wouldn't go away". Indeed, there were groups of people, some with certain religious and / or political backgrounds, making sure of repeating the past over and over again to make sure German guilt didn't go away because there was money to be made and influence to be gained from German guilt.

[@letMeSayThatInIrish]

I am so glad I found this channel, it has opened my mind to so many new ways of thinking. Thank you Hans Georg!

[@chrisestas5728]

This is absolutely brilliant. As a German i agree 100%

[@Brewmaster757]

I've been waiting for you to make this video, and it's one of your best yet

[@GCY1]

I see -- you're an identitarian who opposed Israel and supports the not sees.

[@gouverneur2001]

Hannah Arendt had mentioned the concept of guilt pride in her book On the Banality of Evil. Must read. Also, I'd love to see a conversation between Slavoj Zizek and you.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

a jew writing a book about "guilt"? Now there is a funny story.

[@reivax5742]

This is brilliant analysis. I've been struggling to put into words what I see going on in Germany, and you manage to put it all together very coherently. Good work.

[@paule_muc]

That's a nice video Essay! As a german i've always hated this 'religious' hypocracy. As you've said in the end, it is not about having strong moral values but just about self promotion. But from experience, a lot of germans pull their self-worth from being 'the good guys' and having the wrong political stance can make you a social outcast real quick! Good Job on the video though. Cheers

[@ldm8393]

What wrong political ideas do you mean?

[@paule_muc]

@@ldm8393 critique on climate policies for example

[@dennisstember5062]

@@ldm8393 Or being critical of israels conduct in any way, shape or form.

[@midoevil7]

Allow me to call this a herd of cowards 🙂

[@kaleidoskoptv00]

@@midoevil7 Yeah, you can share your opinion as you like, you just have to accept to be judged. Nonetheless I agree that believing you are part of "the good guys" or "the less bad guys" or even just "the guys who are at least a little less bad because they have gained some sort of insight which others fail at"... is already ideological in itself. But I would suppose this is not only a problem in Germany.

[@cologist]

Guilt is a potent weapon. Without it, it would be very difficult to control the German people.

[@travishillsthedarkangelbun504]

Yep

[@longiusaescius2537]

Vey...

[@moloids]

That's such a stupid statement. How are the Germans more or less controlled than other populations? Germans are not feeling guilty, they are just full of themselves to be the best people in the world. The video explains it actually quiet well.

[@palomino73]

Do we (still) need to be controlled ? There's consumerism and Netflix, as well as plenty of bs around any-next-corner these days. World, you should be fine!

[@marvelous971-j6m]

especially since religion already does that to Germans.

[@mgmonteiro1]

I had absolutely no idea the whole "vibe" Germany exhalates is an actual cultural phenomenon. It's extremely uncanny to know that in fact

[@teensuicide9103]

What? "Cultural phenomenon" is literally the same thing as a "vibe" of a population.

[@Decton]

as a german guy it is not, you will barely find anyone from genz who feels sorry for this since we werent alive back then, don't take one single video as a whole fact from an old german guy since it's almost only boomers being on that guilt trip lol

[@testtest-cu6sq]

@@Decton This nobody gives a fck anymore

[@BoothTheGrey]

@@Decton And even this boomers mostly don't. I am born 1970 German ... and never felt "guilt" My parents born in 1945 also did never. The remembering cultures purpose is to try to take RESPONSIBILITY. One very important phrase that is used in this context in this video is not even mentioned once: Never again (niemals wieder). It's about remembering the crimes of your ancestors and don't wanna do these mistakes again. And this video doesn't even mention this core idea.

[@Decton]

@BoothTheGrey from what i got thus video is takes a stance against the whole guilt part of it, like as if the people that feel guilty only do it to manipulate others, kinda weird, from my experience people rarely feel dorry but also don't want those things to happen again, but that's kinda logical if your not racist or a total psychopath lol

[@Wandfigur]

Isn't there a function for creators to translate the audio of KZbin videos? I think this one needs to be accessible to germans that don't understand English! This was very insightful and really makes sense to me having grown up in Germany as a multi-ethnic immigrant. This always annoyed the hell out of me as a young person at Gymnasium (university-track high-school) and now particularly with the recent political climate.

[@keineahnung7278]

Wer kein Englisch kann, hat es zu lernen, oder muss eben leiden.

[@sharkbelly1169]

@@keineahnung7278 Aber Englisch lernen ist ein Leidensweg (I hope that's correct; I'm an American)

[@keineahnung7278]

@@sharkbelly1169 yeah, that sentence was absolutely correct. But learning English is way easier than learning German, French, Spanish, Italian or other languages. It's everywhere and it's important since English is the language that is mostly used in international communication. And the German education system teaches English very well. Any student who has attended school for ten years should be able to understand basic English texts or videos.

[@sharkbelly1169]

@@keineahnung7278 Fair. Although coming from English, German has been much harder for me than Romance languages (Portuguese first, then Catalan). I can't really speak Spanish or French, but I also found Latin and Hungarian easier to learn than German XD

[@melrosepark4463]

They won’t listen. I tried that in my Verein. They still want to stick their head in their sand.

[@buzhichun]

You put into words exactly what had been itching at the back of my mind for the past year. Superb analysis.

[@AlexanderWahler-g5r]

As a german, you just put feelings I always had into words. This is a great analysis of the modern german mind. Incredible!

[@BoothTheGrey]

Its not. I am German, too and this video is ridiculous. Bei Vergangenheitsbewältigung gehts um Verantwortung, nicht um schuld. Ich fühle mich nicht schuldig und habe nie IRGENDEINEN Deutschen kennengelernt, der sich "schuldig" fühlt. Ich bin Jahrgang 1970! Die Idee hinter dem Gedenken an den Verbrechen der Nazis hat EINEN Schlagruf: Nie wieder! Das ist alles. Wer da was gegen hat, hat nicht alle Latten am Zaun oder ist schlicht selber ein Nazi. Ich mag "Carefres Wandering"; aber was er hier im Video zusammenfaselt ist katastrophal. Es gibt sicher eine TENDENZ zur Übertreibung der Verantwortung Richtung "Schuld-Komplex". Aber das ist GANZ SICHER nicht etwas, was viele Deutsche fühlen. Es geht einfach darum, aus der Vergangenheit zu lernen, und stolz darauf zu sein, eben NICHT wie fast alle anderen Nationen die Verbrechen der eigenen Vorfahren komplett zu verdrängen.

[@josephk536]

I recently discovered this channel and I'm a fan. Thank you for the brilliant analysis.

[@kilgoretrout413]

I’m in 12 step recovery and it reminds me of people attending meetings with tall tales about their drug use 🙄🙄 so they can be celebrated as prodigal sons / daughters

[@J.D-g8.1]

Good luck to you. But do please dont interbalise the 12 step program. You are not helpless. You are free and you owe it to yourself to make it. Use the group for the support they can give, but know that their words and reasoning is deeply flawed.

[@J.D-g8.1]

*internalize

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

Self-loathing narcissism.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

succint

[@gmw3083]

I thought izrul was trying to Sioux aside itself. Maybe they're actually going for this thing..

[@randomchannel-px6ho]

Globally the generation that followed ww2 seems quite deranged. I really wonder at what point we who will have to face the trying reality of earth systems collaspe stop letting their neurosis steer us towards doom

[@moloids]

No. Basically no German self-loathes themselves for the whole thing. Did you actually watch the video?

[@LifeOutsideTheBubble]

How has “narcissism” even seeped into this? This whole trend is so concerning.

[@scoopydoh]

Did the Germans really choose this? It's like saying how a traumatized child chooses to behave l and ignoring the abusive parents role.

[@zjooxz]

Absolutely brilliant. I'm Jewish, living in Jerusalem, and things look bleak from here as my entire society descended to a murderous genocidal state. This lesson about Germany is important for me and for us.

[@jimmmy7680]

I am astonished of how well this man formed up what i had in mind into words, brilliant

[@dassonntagskind]

A follow up video on the way Austrians dealt with this would be highly appreciated because it is no less interesting and frankly just as genius. Framing ourselves as the "first victims" to Nazi Germany and subsequently creating an Austrian Identity separate from the Germans (that didn't exist in any shape or form pre 1945) is beyond genius actually.

[@tantuz1128]

As a Serb, this won't fly. We were mass slaughtered 2 times in the last century by Austrians, not much by Germans.

[@dassonntagskind]

@@tantuz1128 If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking Turkish right now. You're welcome!

[@tantuz1128]

@dassonntagskind Austrians never missed an opportunity to side with Turks when it was needed to screw up Serbs and our fight for freedom. So, please, STFU.

[@sk8erbyern]

@@dassonntagskind we are all speaking English thanks to both of you guys... Also no minority who was under Turkish rule spoke or speaks Turkish so you might wanna educate yourself first.

[@valeriapa280]

And Italians. We never had something like the Nuremberg trials. In my experience, a large portion of the population honestly believes Mussolini was a great guy who just made the one mistake of tying himself to Hitler. As a result, fascism was never truly defeated ideologically in public opinion, just somewhat hidden for a while.

[@KryCaNe]

The German language has the best single words to describe emotions and concepts succinctly.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

"Weltbrand"

[@myempireofdirtt]

Such an amazing video. I have always struggled to understand "guilt pride" and this video summarised everything so beautifully.

[@jakeryan4545]

Thank you for expressing what I have noticed and had no name for. For me it was super interesting that you talked about the difference between those that experienced the Nazi times and those that didn't. I've noticed that as a generalization, older generations either talked about the Holocaust and other German crimes, confronted those that denied the Holocaust, and confronted those that used whataboutism and shifting of blame for the Nazis to other countries OR they focused on non-German participation in the Holocaust, focused on Nazi leadership, blamed WW2 on the allies, and talked about German victims (especially of Allied actions). Now it seems like its this weird combination where most people talk about talking about the Holocaust and loudly proclaim German guilt, while also using whataboutism, shifting blame to other countries, focusing on German victims, and acting superior to other countries for how they look at their history. I always thought it was funny how lots of younger Germans now a days talk about Germans only displaying the flag during football games and how that makes them better than Americans who display the flag so much. Like it's nationalism about not being nationalist/patriotic.

[@humphrey4480]

I agree with the fact that Germans seem sensitive to nationalism/patriotism easily seen in the example of displaying flags, but from my experience most Germans would enjoy showing the flag more and arent necessarily critical of the USA or UK for being strongly patriotic.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

So polish ultranationalism and xenophobia as ok? Why only in poland though?

[@jakeryan4545]

​@@PhilipNiemöller9923 What??

[@geistshell]

'when will the past, pass away?'

[@cazwalt9013]

Interestingly, in mental health one should always let go for past trauma to get healthy, yet Germany is having some love affair with its past trauma which isn't healthy in anyway

[@fritzvoss5263]

when nobody can use it for political reasons anymore

[@g.f.w.6402]

Wenn nicht mehr über Deutschland gesprochen wird sind wir tot.

[@Strix2031]

Never ask a european what he thinks of Roma people

[@AttiaMokbel]

Its Slavs ,Gays ,Blacks ,Gypsies then Muslims (at the bottom). Let me know if I missed any marginalised Group 😂

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@AttiaMokbel communists

[@stefanhernold345]

@@AttiaMokbel 220 million Slavs (= speakers of Slavic languages) are a marginalized group ? I bet most of them wouldn`t be happy about being listed alongside homosexuals and gypsies. Among Europeans, the so-called slavic nations are presently by far the proudest and the most based ones

[@joaokowalski9736]

@@AttiaMokbel Not just Slavs but Albanians and Romanians too including Christian Albanians.. Caucaus people too

[@IsomerSoma]

​@@AttiaMokbel Gays aren't much hated in europe depending on the nation at all. Not anymore at least. Blacks is mostly "no opinion" as there really aren't that many blacks. However every nation has irs enemies often their neighbors. Poles hate germans. A lot of germans still have disdain for eastern europeans (including east germans 😂). And so on. However for sure the most unanimously hated groups are roma and muslims without a doubt.

[@johnupadhyaya9626]

After a very long time I have found someone with such a profound gift of explaining something of complexity to a non German so easy and comprehensible. Thank you

[@xirtus]

excellent reduction and synthesis. I am grateful to find your channel.

[@servit0r]

comments here are absolutely wild, there's literally everything to be found here

[@gh0s1wav]

This is why I follow this channel. Awesome insight!

[@derloco2035]

Lieber Professor Möller, vielen Dank für dieses Video - es wird weiterverbreitet, auch wenn es vielen Menschen hier nicht gefallen wird aber eventuell wird der eine oder andere zum Nachdenken angeregt. Schonmal darüber nachgedacht ein gemeinsames Projekt mit Pascal Lottaz von Neutrality Studies zu machen? Wäre wirklich interessant :)

[@nk-gp1ml]

Excellent description of the modern German mindset. It eloquently puts into words thoughts I have held for decades.

[@Valeria-tn8qr]

Great video, super informative and concise, and thank you for the accurate historical background! I live in Berlin and this past year has seen these ridiculous contradictions and double-standars blooming in all their horror. People need to start putting things into perspective and truly learn from history.

[@dabigamba]

This is interesting, could you give your position on how the profiling in the US would Differ from the one in Germany? The US does not seem to have an idea of guilt in this case so coming to the same unwavering support of isral is to me paradoxical. Do we have two very different phenomena leading to the same conclusions or is there something that ties both?

[@nickklavdianos5136]

I think if you take account of the American track record in the Middle East from Dessert Storm to the War on Terror there's a lot of Islamophobia in the USA. I think they've been conditioned to view Muslims (be that Iraqi, Arab, Palestinian, Afghan or other) as bad guys, because that is the only way for them to justify their own actions. In short, if they recognise that the Israelis are war criminals, then they are war criminals themselves too.

[@markoslavicek]

US would have to lose some grand war, and lose it badly, to even consider any attempt at guilt pride like Germans did.

[@mikesmitty9059]

There is plenty of white guilt in the US - Jews make sure to guilt American conservative whites as "Nazis" on a daily basis even though America fought against the Nazis. It's all so tiresome.

[@gomer2813]

The USA does have a thing with historical guilt. That's one of the reasons why, if you check the Pew Research survey data, you will see that the USA is one of the least proud and patriotic modern countries. However, national guilt is not official, like in Germany. The cognitive elites do believe in inculcating a sense of guilt, but if they forced it as officially as is done in Germany, too many people in the USA would freak out. And also, there is some kind of cultural taboo on the idea of "maintaining your reputation," worrying about your reputation ("worrying about what other people think about you"), and having any ethnic/national identity at all. It's not just about "being individualist," it is also about the dis-allowance of identitarianism, particularly for white people. If there is no ethnic/national identity, then it makes no sense to try to restore the sense of moral status of the ethnic/national group. Anyhow, the point being, there still is cultural guilt in the USA. We would call it "white guilt," because people basically just hate white people, here. There also is a sense that "saving the Jews" in WWII is one of the only good things that the USA has done, and it can be a point of pride in the USA for people to protect Jewish people.

[@mikesmitty9059]

American white liberals are (((cucked))) with white guilt as can be. For anyone paying attention, they quite evidently care much more for Palestinians or diasporic liberal Jews or "LGBTQ children" or black criminals or [insert deviant minority here] much more than average Americans.

[@sonder8310]

To me Erinnerungskultur is similar to democracy in the sense that the idea is worth defending, while criticism of it's flaws (like guilt pride) are all the more important for it to be able to adapt and stay around. With the brief history of how Germany has deslt with the nazis and the guilt over the decades it has shown that already, the approach adapted to a changing world. Similar in how wokeism adapta to a changing world. It's never to say the concepts are perfect - far from it. For me I never even considered Erinnerungskultur to be about guilt, and more about taking accountability - which of course should include everything. The hypocrisy is so real, this trajectory of "I said sorry so you have to forgive me" is so real. It's kinda crwzy thaz internationally fhe bar is so low, that Germany saying "yeah woopise, we are super duper sorry about that ehe" is praised like it's not the bare minimum. But ee don't live in that world, we live in a world were apparently it's a standard lol. Very interesting video, that I'll be thinking about for a while. Given the short runtime it's not surprising things get oversimplified tho. After all this is about more than just history or politics, it's about psychology and philosophy too.

[@vladsirin]

Extremely well thought out and presented. Thank you.

[@Piden-l4b]

I grew up in Germany and we were brain washed with this guilt in school and the press. I am so tired of it.

[@tahsinozgur8694]

I spent several years of my career (which involved a lot of moving about) in Germany and I totally LOVED it- the nature, the art, the music, even the crazily difficult lingo. I always found the guilt culture exaggerated to the point of being annoying and saw it as a useful tool to keep a proud people down. The developments- I should say deterioration- since the beginning of the Covid scare and the heavy handed "health" policies disappointed me, the gung-ho attitude regarding the Ukraine conflict and the silence surrounding the Northsea pipeline disappointed me further. With its position regarding Palestine Germany has plunged lower than I could have deemed possible. Believe me when I say it breaks my heart. The only good that has come out of is that I don't miss Germany so much anymore!

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

if you only like germany because certain acommodations then you very much are expected to leave.

[@tahsinozgur8694]

@@PhilipNiemöller9923 Excuse me, did you address me? Your comment looks like a response to mine but has little to do with what I said. What do you mean by "accomodations"? I worked on contract- I am an animator hired for animated film projects and yes, I knew I was expected to leave when the job was done. Like all my colleagues in the industry we moved from country to country, from project to project. I worked in Germany in various different stretches, in Berlin, Munich and Halle. Being temporary the "accomodations" weren't great. Unlike most other countries we had no health or retirement benefits in Germany, had to pay for private insurance and hire a tax consultant for the taxes. No, the "accomodations" weren't much but the "nature, the art, the music", as I said, were great, and I enjoyed every minute of it. And when the job was done, I left and returned where I belonged. I missed it a lot, as one misses all pleasant experiences. But now, seeing the changes there, I don't miss it so much anymore. I don't think I can make it any clearer than that!

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@tahsinozgur8694 if you enjoy everything about Germany except for its people then maybe you didn't enjoy it as much as you claim.

[@tahsinozgur8694]

@danielwadsworth9923 No, how did you reach that conclusion? I liked the people a lot and still maintain good relations with many of them. And even casual contacts were friendly. What am I saying, even the officials were friendly! Is there a reason why you want to see everything I say in a negative light? Sind Sie Deutscher?

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@tahsinozgur8694 I don't know why youtube censored my comment but I wanted to excuse myself because I wasn't necessarily talking to you directly as you said. Since you asked so nicely I regret if I caused you any discomfort

[@thetigerking2613]

One issue with modern Germany is that because of how WW2 ended the Germans weren’t allowed to build monuments to their dead and bombed cities. Because of this Germany is unable to move on from WW2.

[@MrDarudin]

They were totally allowed. They just chose not to.

[@abdulqaadir6510]

The guilt is “we genocided the wrong people.”

[@BilalKhan-yg9jc]

It's complete hypocrisy and the Germans know it. The majority have no guilt about the Holocaust. For them, WWII was about avenging "the Jewish betrayal" in WWI, which among other things included reneging on financial support promised to Germany by Red Shield and extremely bad surrender terms, which destroyed the economy and society and loss of land. That was their True moment of humiliation. They tried to take on the powerful Jewish lobby and failed miserably and take their frustrations out on nations that they foolishly think won't remember and take revenge.

[@matthewkopp2391]

Part of the problem of the Holocaust narrative is although Jewish persecution and scapegoating started immediately, the actual Holocaust happened gradually as a “final solution” and mostly as the war intensified. The historical aspect of this is German Jews were in the very least culturally successful if not financially. But the cultural success was more threatening. The reason is German Jews were concentrated in urban centers of influence. The cultural success I would argue was the bigger issue IMO. For example the focus on degenerate art. As it began to eclipse late 19th century romantic “Germanism” and conservative ideology. The fact that prominent Jews were socialists like Marx or Luxemburg was also the point of contention.

[@shoxx48]

Indeed that's their guilt because it was no different to the colonial wars the West and European countries were carrying out in the global South and elsewhere. They simply brought the horrors of it into their own countries, as the Nazis were born out of admiration for the way the US and the British conducted it's colonial projects.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@matthewkopp2391 the fact that 50% of soviet kommissars were J's should raise some concern, too.

[@dansmith1661]

@@matthewkopp2391 You do know the Final Solution was made in a book called "Germany Must Perish"? It was authored by Jews.

[@eggchipsnbeans]

I don't understand why people should feel guilt for things that they did not do.

[@fer-nando-machado]

Very elucidative. Thank you for the shedding light on the historical development of German Guilt.

[@BoothTheGrey]

Yeah - and it's wrong. As a German... there is clearly no "guilt" pride. No one feels "guilty" here. The author somehow forgot the mention that there is another concept instead of "guilt" - called responsibility. And this is exactly what Germans try concerning the Nazi crimes. Maybe we are not that good at it. At least we try to. But definitely do not feel guilty.

[@browneyeofsauron1244]

This was fascinating. It articulates what I've had a vague conception of for a while but adds so much nuance that German politics make much more sense from an American perspective.

[@BoothTheGrey]

Unfortunately this video is in most parts not accurate. I am in my mid 50s, German, and NEVER got to know ANY other German who felt "guilty". We try to remember to be responsible in a way to never let such a crime happen again. How this can be wrong is beyond me. And the author of this video doesnt even make the difference between responsibility and guilt. As a philosopher! This video is so bad... it really hurts. Cause he gives all right wing Germans the best explanation to get rid of facing the crimes of ancestors: Claiming it's all about guilt pride. When in fact its about responsibility. And btw... our new fascist do exactly this - they claim that this memorial culture wants to make us feel guilty and even claim the Nazis were the good guys. This video helps them a lot. Which is really really sad.

[@browneyeofsauron1244]

@@BoothTheGrey You'd probably know better than me, I've never been to Germany, let alone Europe. I don't think he was advocating for Germans to forget or deny responsibility, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. As an outsider it read like differentiating between agknowlegement, responsibility and guilt is important because it can help people avoid internal contradictions and emotional blindsiding. Some of this might come down to linguistic connotations, guilt, responsibility, etc. Over here in the US responsibility and guilt are often used interchangeably even though they have different definitions. I disagree with responsibility too though. What the Nazis did was beyond horrible. I won't deny that. The Nazis did all those atrocities, modern Germans didn't. Responsibility to me insinuates some level of culpability and wrongdoing on the part of modern Germans, which I don't think exists. Germany has done, and does a very good job not hiding their past, and I think sometimes people interpret that as placing the crimes of the past on modern individuals.

[@kylehodgson2182]

Kind of amazed at how much I just learned from this video

[@cc.amadeo]

"fun" fact: the memorial for the murdered sinti and roma is at risk of being demolished because they want to build train tunnels. Thats Erinnerungskultur for you.

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

Aren't you glad they weren't used for forced labour? Or are you suggesting inner cities could use more professional beggars instead

[@nicolaslordk1662]

Amazing analysis, I've had some similar thoughts about all of it but never was able to put it all together like you did. Cheers!

[@TheAlderFalder]

Awesome word! Nails the shit that’s going on here perfectly.

[@ibrahim.1606]

Fascinating video. Germany one day will look at all the phases it has done through. And then take pride in making it out alive 😅

[@abolishthemonarchynow]

Herero and Nama Genocide: German colonial troops in Namibia - 1904-1908

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

@@abolishthemonarchynow all aided by local military advisers. African problems require african solutions it seems.

[@ankaschannel]

This is exactly what I've been thinking about!!!! Germany somehow sees itself as the least antisemitic country because it has had the hardest lesson on antisemitism. oof thank you

[@SubSalicylate]

Meanwhile notoriously antisemitic institutions such as Burschenschaften (a type of German university fraternities) fly under the radar all the time 🙃

[@ScythianPony]

Brother thank you! You hit the nail completely, reflecting this blind spot in german perception was so necessary. This explains really so many things about germany.

[@guyincognito959]

140 comments and only 550 upvotes. Our Erinnerungskultur is just a token today. We sell arms since always, nothing has truly changed, only the paradigm is shifted around to make us look better...

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

That is partial true. Capitalists still gonna make money, but the population needs guiltpride to support this.

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

@DarkMark-cf1ec No! Capitalists are people who have the means of production. People who gain money without working. I live on unemployment money and some small work sometimes. I don't know, if you are a capitalist, but i highly doubt it. Or do you employ people? Do you have millions of Dollars? If not, you are no capitalist.

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

@DarkMark-cf1ec The means of production is important. Nether you nor i am a capitalist. Where do you get your definition from? I am perplexed. We both live in capitalist societys, but we are not capitalists.

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

@DarkMark-cf1ec Please tell me. Where did you get your definition? Mine is more or less the definition from Marx. And i don't understand your definition. Please explain.

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

@DarkMark-cf1ec OK? Who is no capitalist in your definition?

[@supremel3vel469]

wonderful explanation, made me understand more whats is currently happening, thanks a lot!

[@Qzou7702]

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[@Sunaki1000]

As a german I definitly understand what your trying to say. Its so got damn selfe important.

[@Dtchmastrkilla7]

Here is a genuine question: In grade school in Germany, clearly there is a lot of instruction on the holocaust and how Germans have a duty to atone, and so on. What happens when there are Jewish students in the class? (Or other minorities) Though, I realize there are not a lot of Jews left living in Germany... I ask this because I saw some of the same attitude when being taught about slavery in the US and it caused some black students a bit of obvious discomfort or confusion about how they are 'supposed' to react and feel.

[@bjolie78]

It turns the classroom into a show trial, split into plaintiffs and spectators, but that's the intention

[@guidobolke5618]

Right now, maybe a third of the class is coming from muslim countries and my guess is they would start to yell "Yalla, Yalla Intifada!"

[@greentoby26]

"What happens when there are Jewish students in the class?" Nobody knows, because they won't have told anyone. Much too risky.

[@whatsgoingon71]

I was in said school and never had any of this "instruction" you're talking about. I think it never existed and is just made up by people who want to skirt around the fact of German responsibility for WW2. People with sound morals will understand and find a healthy way to deal with the issue. Others will use it to make a talking point in the culture war.

[@bjolie78]

@@greentoby26 not true. better ger it over with from the get go if you are Israeli

[@Jebediah1999]

Was the welcoming of migrants more to do with a falling birth rate than a spectacle of collective contrition?.

[@viktoriakohler1224]

You are so true. And I am German. I always felt something is wrong with this remembering culture. I personaly think no one can be superior to an other person. And I believe what happened in Nazi Germany never never shall not happen again. But it is as Hanna Ahrendt said: the banality of the evil. That is what makes me crazy. Every person can be evil. Me too. And that is horrific. Often I ask myself, what would I have done under a Nazi Regime? And Mr. Kohl (our then chanceler) talked of the grace for our later birth. He was much laughed and banished for that phrase. But I think he was true. It is a grace to be borne later. And this is the point we should think of. It is a grace. Not about Germanys public or international image. The inside counts. Not the outside. I don't feel guilty for Nazi crimes. But I feel guilty to be "human". Because everyone can be evil. Me too.

[@GreyOatmeal]

Well written

[@soyboymotivation]

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[@HelgaKeune]

never heard the expression before, damn shit, it descreibes very well what the actuallized doctrin is in this days and explains quite well the astonishing attitude of official Germany towards the ongoing genocide, all in all a quite correct description

[@sunnymon1436]

Nancy Fraser is a very honest philosopher, and has been criticizing and warning the left of being too lured away from traditional class politics by identity politics - with mixed results. But given she's been doing that since the 1990s, no one can say she didn't try!

[@nathanlevesque7812]

what does identity politics even mean anymore

[@theprinceofmilk2510]

Ironically named Nancy Faser (minister of the interior) is maybe the most prominent german hellbent on destroying it in the name of compassion.

[@jaggedlittleprayer]

Love that this channel in which a professional philosopher meticulously explains concepts to you is called “carefree wandering”

[@cow_tools_]

Well said. I made the same observation a while ago of the irony of how some Germans seem "proud of their shame" especially in the public statements to the effect of "We Germans know a thing or two about Genocide, so take our position on this matter with extra weight."

[@RunRonaldRun]

For those interested, the closing song is by Chinese band Carsick Cars “You Can Listen, You Can Talk”. A relic of Beijing’s indie rock days that are long gone.

[@swagatochatterjee7104]

Great summary, I wish white Germans who have called me an antisemite, while telling me that Jews can't live in Germany because it isn't safe for them here (apparently not antisemtic), watch your video. Few thoughts and addendum for the audience: 17:49 you forgot that part when the ESLC lawyers pointed out to the judge that even Netanyahu mentioned, if I remember correctly, that he would like to bring the fate of the Amaleks to the Palestinians "from the river to the sea". To this the judge said both the phrases together are illegal, but not the first first phrase. The culture of remembrance is so strong, that in Berlin we are not allowed to wear the red triangle (symbol of socialists who were sent to the camps, both work and death) because it is a symbol of Islamic terrorism (while here the streets are being renamed after Christian crusaders). It went so strong, that the German state wanted to destroy the memorial dedicated to Romas and Sinthis near the Bundestag for a gentrification project. The Green Party literally revoked Heinrich Böll Foundation's Hannah Ardent Prize from Masha Gesen after conferring it to her because she as a (self hating) jew defended the Palestinian right to exist. Now, my Jewish friends and comrades are being kicked out from synagogue in Berlin for wearing a kippah with the pan-Arabic colours. That is the crazy world we now live in.

[@Jdutchie]

A few things seem wrong about your comment or deserve qualification. 1). Saying that it is not safe for Jews to live in Germany is, obviously, not antisemitic. Antisemitism is on the rise in Europe and it is only logical that people are pointing it out. Some are a little more emotional about it - maybe you could cut them some slack in the current conditions. 2). Although I despise Netanyahu, I think he was definitely referring to Hamas, not the Palestinians wholesale, when mentioning amalek. 3). True, this is not good in a free, democratic state. But you could be a little more aware of the fact that wearing a symbole worn by prisoners in a Nazi camp in the context of pro-palestinianism can be construed as Holocaust inversion - it implies that Palestinians are suffering the same as people in a Nazi camp. 4). This ties on to the next point. Gessen compared Gaza to a Nazi ghetto, which is a form of Holocaust Inversion. Nazi ghetto's did not have terror organizations running it. Nazi ghetto's did not have work permits for tens of thousands of its inhabitants. Nazi ghetto's did not have massive tunnel networks only for the terrorists. It is incomparable also in the sense that the Nazi ghetto's were explicitly run in order to kill off all the Jews in the future, wherease in the case of Gaza the strict border controls and the wall (which Egypt also does, btw) was a reaction to a bombing campaign by Hamas. You can argue against the blockade without invoking the Nazi past; invoking it is nothing more than a cheap, dirty retorical trick. And also, it does not matter at all who does the Inversion - Gessen being Jewish is not relevant at all. Her prize did not get cancelled because 'she is a self Hating Jew' (it is ridiculous for you to even suggest this). Here prize got cancelled because she's making ridiculous comments that are borderline antisemitic and her jewishness has nothing to do with it.

[@nsk660]

good observation dada !

[@dietwald]

@@Jdutchie invoking hitler comparisons to putin is fine in Germany, though. Calling the war in Ukraine genocidal is also common practice. But doing so in regards to Netanyahu and Gaza is holocaust relativism or something. It would be hilarious if it were not so utterly self-serving and disgusting. Germans turning themselves into argumentative pretzels to defend the genocide in gaza do so in a performative act directed at other Germans to prove their non-antisentism by defending Israel solely because Israel calls itself Jewish. They wouldn't use any of these arguments to defend any other state. The inherent Antisemitism (equating Israel with the Jewish people) is disgusting.

[@Jdutchie]

@@dietwald I don't really understand what your reacting to - me, or the current situation in Germany? I don't agree with Hitler comparisons of Putin, because the (historical) differences are frankly too immense. Calling the war in Ukraine genocidal has nothing to do with Israel. We should asses that statement on its own merits, according to the context of that war. That is not the topic of discussion here. Doing so in regards to Netanyahu and Gaza IS Holocaust revisionism (and yes, therefore also relativism). That is the topic of discussion, and there are many reasons why this is so. There are many counterarguments against the idea that Israel is engaging in Genocide. If you want we can adress those? Those include: the civilian vs. militant ratio; the lack of explicit intent; actions by israel that go against its characterization as genocidal, such as warning civilians and, recently, allowing the mass-vacination of Gazan children, etc. Would you like an honest discussion on this? Or are you just engaging in cheap retoric? I agree that equating Jews with Israel is not good. But many Jews do allign themselves with Israel, and for good reason: they have family ties, for example. Germans that defend israel are not trying to 'not be antisemitic' - this is a complete strawman and shows your lack of willingness to contend with the facts that do not conform to your worldview. As said, there are many counterarguments to the idea of israel as a genocidal state. That is just simply the case. So, again, I agree with you that Jews should not be equated with the state of Israel, unless they themselves explicitly state so. And if they want to be alligned with the state of Israel, that is their right and not necessarily immoral in my eyes, as I do not agree with the assesment of israel as genocidal, or this war as inherently unjustified from their perspective.

[@dietwald]

@Jonasv.D. I'm done wasting my time arguing with people who justify mass murder. Not interested.

[@62Cristoforo]

If Germany was a psychiatric patient ....

[@Tech-Corner2023]

Wow! Great analysis! They are really Showing again their belief in their superiority etc!

[@PhilipNiemöller9923]

you are really showing a belief in their inferiority. Why is that so?

[@gabriel_kyne]

Fascinating, thank you so much for recording it in English for us

[@AttiaMokbel]

Learn German like me, only then you’ll appreciate your mother language, because german is such an ugly language 😂

[@paulskiye6930]

Germany VS Japan Overly Guilty VS Denial

[@MedIsman-vj1np]

The Best way lays between😊

[@Oogaini]

Fake guilt vs. Complete amnesia or neglect

[@nyarparablepsis872]

It seems as if the German guilt pride is basically the same thing as what caused the excessive monotheism of the 'yahwe alone' movement back in the Iron Age. A 'national' catastrophe was turned into a reason for national pride.

[@1simo93521]

I once read a really old quote from the 1900s 'a German is either at your feet or at your throat.'

[@Nonowness]

as a german I totally agrre, glad somebody can see clearly what is guildpride is- Excellent . This is really important video.

[@avus-kw2f213]

Now it all makes sense 👍

[@vollstaendingennamen]

I feel like it also went hand in hand with the social democratic parties moving further away from socialist ideas and moving closer to the center. The same thing happened in austria, and its so weird because Kreisky is such a big name in austrian politics, and he was notably not liked very much by israel, especially because of his stances on israel and palestine. Also the "from the river" slogan ban feels even stranger here, since "österreich ist frei" is probably the austrianest line in post war austrian politics. If the foundation of the republic is celebrated with the line "austria is free", and the jewish population has shrunk by more than 95% since before the war, its so bizare to have politicians go "yeah, that means that they want to make israel free of jewish people". Austria also projected the israel flag (at the parliament), for multiple days while israel was dropping bombs, as a supposedly neutral country. Anyways, good video as always, very informative.

[@SchmulKrieger]

Despite the fact, that Palestine was never a state, not a single identity and were not a single people. And of course the original people of that region were colonised by the Arabs, most people spoke somewhat Aramaic etc. in those regions!

[@pseudonymous1382]

​@@SchmulKrieger What does this matter? You could say, and Italian fascists such as Mussolini did make this argument, that the Balkans were colonized by Slavs and Turks; does Italy, on the grounds of being the historic successor state to the Roman Empire, have a territorial claim to Albania? Montenegro? Serbia? Croatia? Such an argument is only ever made in service of fascist revanchists who wish to ethnically cleanse an area and colonize it.

[@MrGamerMaximus]

You kinda ignore that "from the river to the sea" implies the destruction of the state of Israel and a better comparison would be that germany isnt using the lines of the Anthem anymore that call out points on the map that are very clearly no longer german.

[@vollstaendingennamen]

@@MrGamerMaximus How does it imply that? The slogan stems from a time when people were still looking for a one state solution and refered to the idea that everyone can live free in that area, not just jews.

[@SchmulKrieger]

@@MrGamerMaximus the first stanca is just not sung, the same as the second one is not sung. Still until 1991 sometimes the first and second were sung. It's the time also where Heino recorded the German National Anthem (all three stancas). It has nothing to do with the territories.

[@tonolinus]

I am german and think, that we have never been explained so well. You have won a new subscriber.

[@IMS-4]

Who is the man in your pfp supposed to symbolize?

[@Ciaudius]

​@@IMS-4a great German man called Bundespräsidium

[@tonolinus]

@@IMS-4 thats supposed o be the fictional character Mohammed (from the Quran). Its in solidarity of those who get killed bc they make fun of him. I am for the freedom of scrutinizing and mocking all ideas (ideas, not people).

[@IMS-4]

@@tonolinus I’m Muslim and it’s quite offensive ngl. But why are you mocking the prophet? Are you an ex-Muslim? Would like to hear why you hate him.

[@tonolinus]

@@IMS-4 I gladly answer. I dont mock the character, but the idea. I dont hate fictional characters (i dont even hate real ones). but i hate people getting killed bc they expressed their dislike of certain fictional characters. I understand, that its not a nice experience, seeing someone disliking something you like very much. but i think, thats something we should be able to endure. I may hold ideas you dont like. you should be able to speak out about that without having to fear to lose your life bc of it. I personally see great harm in the idea, that you should except an idea bc of bad reasoning and be shunned or worst if you disagree. the same bad reasoning we all would condemn if we would see it at court by a judge or used by our doctors. All religions i came across, promoted that kind of thinking. I believe, that this kind of thinking is one of our biggest obstacles to progression and flourishing of humankind. Thats wy i dislike all religions equaly. I thought i would be an good idea, to use a religion, that would be easily triggered to start such discussions. If Christians would be killing bc of jesus jokes, i would make jesus jokes all day. Me using the picture of someone who should not be depicted is, me protesting against that toxic rule and the philosophy behind that rule. I was never part of any faith and i will propably never be. I just dont believe those old stories of gods and magic and i propably never will. I hope you dont think i derserve death for not believing in magic. i hope you understand, that i dont want you too feel bad. I love all people i meet and want every one to flourish. We should learn to cope with such feelings right? We should be able to point out whatever we want to point out. If you really hate what i have to say, you should be allowed to use the same right to tell me where i am wrong or to just go away and deny me your friendship.