Guitar Bleed Circuit Build, Install and Test using a Orange Drop Capacitor and a 150k Resistor

[@redelk2974]

Great playing, so fun. I like it off the best, so interesting.... Thank you. Style man, you got it...

[@ChasesWKshop]

Thanks my friend!

[@thanosp.8140]

It's basically like switching the bright channel on at lower volumes. If that's what you're going for, it is really effective and easy to add.

[@TheForce_Productions]

Interesting mod and nice playing! Cheers!

[@ChasesWKshop]

Obi Wan Kenobi thanks bud!

[@michaelhead875]

Good tip. How about changing the volume pot to a pot with a push-pull switch on the pot and avoid having to drill a hole in the control plate?

[@ChasesWKshop]

Michael Head thanks bud. I’ve thought about using a push pull pot. You’re right that would be ideal instead of drilling. Thanks for the suggestion bud.

[@PISSEDOFF-MADABOUTIT60]

Ok , I'm in.

[@surgeneral108]

That's the Duncan style, it worked fine for me

[@adamkemmerer4520]

Hey brother. Great content. Installed a treble bleed in my last telecaster build. I bought a prefabricated kit but cool to see how to do it on your own. Keep doing your thing and surely it's just a matter of time until your channel grows

[@ChasesWKshop]

Thanks for the kind words bud and welcome to the channel!

[@adamkemmerer4520]

For sure man. I meant to subscribe a few weeks ago after I watched your B bender video. How is your design holding up after playing it for awhile? Here's a link to the Tele I mentioned. I'm still actually in the finishing process waiting for it to cure before buffing it. But I already soldered all the electronics so I can just drop them straight in. Check it out if you want and let me know what you think m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10218889144837459&id=1167510021

[@ChasesWKshop]

Adam Kemmerer that looks very nice. What type finish did you use? The kits are holding up nicely. I’ve sold quite a few on my website CWKShop.com. I’m constantly working on making the process better but I’m happy where it’s at now.

[@mrfatbobrider1969]

Hi,just subbed..I'm about to enter the world of building Tele style guitars ..getting inspiration by guys like yourself for my build ideas,and my own little twist of course..👌✌😎

[@ChasesWKshop]

Awesome bud! Glad to have inspired you! Thanks for subbing and welcome to the channel!

[@marshallhawkins3754]

Very helpful video. Thanks!

[@dawsonvalley8056]

You are ready to go with this mod.

[@Alpine_Nightly]

"Remember to wet your tip." And that, my friend, is what she said.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Larry Greenwell 😂

[@reggiewallace260]

Your circuit, which has been around for many years, is sound and effective. I also agree with the component values you've chosen, although I personally would use a 100K resistor on a guitar with 250k pots as I assume your Telecaster has. But the question I have, is why use a $2 orange drop capacitor when a 15 cent ceramic disc capacitor of the same value would do the job equally well. Also, let me interject that using a cap rated for several hundred volts, as you've chosen here, is like using a sledge hammer to crack open a walnut.

[@ChasesWKshop]

All good points, I don’t know the answer to give you honestly. I guess it’s personal preference. I’ve never used the other type so I couldn’t tell you.

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Ceramic u get rf signals especially if you live in a apartment building orange drops are very good but oil in paper are better but that is subjective

[@reggiewallace260]

@@jimcatanzaro7808 This entire subject is subjective, but you've missed the point I was making, that being that a $2 Orange drop rated at 100 volts is over kill for this purpose. As for a ceramic cap "getting" RF signals in this circuit, sorry I can't imagine, nor have a ever experienced a situation where a ceramic cap caused enough of an RF problem that it was an issue in a passive guitar circuit. If you have an examples, I'd like to hear about them so long as you have evidence of this type of problem. I stand by my original assertion that a cheap ceramic capacitor is equally effective in a treble bleed circuit -- which is why Fender and PRS, use them for that purpose.

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

@@reggiewallace260 well if you have oscilloscope test the difference in the pre amp section it will make a big difference there are also many videos on you tube showing the difference but do whatever you want I like to experiment and try new things also remember if working on a old 1950s 1960s amplifiers capacitors where very expensive and ceramics where cheap not like a nice poly or oil cap so many circuits where designed with that in mind I have built amplifiers both ways and the test results don’t lie in the distortion and listening test I do like orange drops because they can handle heat well but are very bulky I just use cheap poly yellow ones on eBay and make sure you put them in the right way there is a positive and negative to these

[@reggiewallace260]

@@jimcatanzaro7808 We were talking about a cap used across a volume pot in a treble bleed circuit inside a guitar -- not amplifier circuits - a horse of a very different color. If we were discussing the pros and cons of different types of capacitors in various applications, that would be an interesting discussion in that context. But I wonder, since you bring it up....exactly how much heat do you anticipate this cap, used in this passive circuit in this guitar is going to have to deal with?

[@manonbassguitar]

Great demo

[@ChasesWKshop]

manonbassguitar thanks!

[@terryshrives8322]

You hear that noise when you turn it on? Your capacitor is backwards

[@Jediroller]

Hey, just a quick tip to everyone doing this: be real careful when heating the heatshrink around the leads with a hairdryer/heatgun as capacitors generally that are made our polypropylene (like popular orange drops you are using here) generally dont like external heat and change value and set once they cool off..something I learned about components in amps when soldering without something in between like alligator clips or something to dissipate the heat cause it can damage the caps and their intended values. Just use something to cover the cap like some cardboard while applying heat and job done.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Awesome! Thanks for the tip bud! I’ll defiantly pay attention to that in the future.

[@julianapairs]

Will be cool to see how you do treble bleed with switch or kinda stuff like that

[@pskemster]

Thanks Chase, Great video. Quick Q ? What is the difference in an orange drop treble bleed .001 uF and a ceramic treble bleed circuit with same values? Thanks man.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Thanks for the kind words bud. To be honest, I don’t think there is a difference in the two other than the price and size. Some might say one sounds better than the other but both will work for a treble bleed. I’d like to do a side by side comparison but that’s so hard to do in a video and get an accurate test for everyone’s ears. Hope this helps bud and thanks again.

[@pskemster]

@@ChasesWKshop could be for sake of space to work with. I am attempting to get a couple of LP Jr’s together with a single dog ear pup pretty hot But I have struggled with maintaining the same value from half to whole volume. Am using .22 oil and paper vintage spec bumblebee( if they say so) lol,, The treble bleed circuit is more or less an experiment. Hopefully it will be a help . Everything is double shielded with non conductive paint and non conductive sticky foil. So thanks again Regards!

[@ChasesWKshop]

Awesome bud. I’d try the cheaper one in the ceramic and see how it does. I guess the larger cap could change the sound some but I don’t think it’d be that much of a difference. Good luck bud and let me know if you need anything.

[@willycortez3732]

you can wrap that resistor to capacitor in any side?

[@ChasesWKshop]

Yes. Polarity doesn’t matter when making these. Sorry for delayed response.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Yes. Polarity doesn’t matter when making these. Sorry for delayed response.

[@marshallhawkins3754]

Thanks again for this helpful video! I an a newbie with a question. Would there be much difference if using a .022/200V Orange Drop? ...instead of the 100v you used?

[@geonat9745]

no, the capacitor will never see 200v let alone 100v. It will never even see 5 v

[@sarasal99]

what size shrink wrap do you use ? and where do you purchase it ..Thanks

[@ChasesWKshop]

I ordered a variety pack from Amazon. Comes with many different sizes. Hope this helps.

[@cyph3r640]

I saw they sell variable resistors that allow dialing in the exact perfect tone. There's a lot of combinations of values to try out to match your pickups and pots if you just use a cap and resistor. I want a cap with two resistors instead of just one in parallel if I do this

[@reggiewallace260]

" I want a cap with two resistors instead of just one in parallel" What on earth for?

[@flatsixx]

Hey I know this is a few months old but I thought I’d provide a little clarity on the two resistor comment. Fender uses/sells a tone saver which is actually just an RC circuit comprised of a 1.2nF cap and 150k parallel resistor, all in series with 20k resistor. It’s worth looking into if you’re interested- much cheaper to make your own if you have a little soldering skill.

[@shadrickambojnon2528]

Thank you bro

[@ChasesWKshop]

You’re welcome!

[@raybrodeur3886]

What’s that hum? Can you use a .022 cap instead of a .oo1 with the 150k resistor?

[@ChasesWKshop]

The hum is my desktop computer. I’ve got to get it away from my guitars lol. Yes can can try it out. I’m not sure how it would sound though.

[@willycortez3732]

this will work in any pots?

[@morganlaphetto]

Can i put this to my active pick up emg 808 an 8string guitar ?

[@ChasesWKshop]

japhet Morgan good question. I’ve never attempted this. I’d defiantly do research on whether or not this is possible. I’d like to say that you could but I don’t know for sure.

[@AskingForAFriend]

You need to switch the connections of the capacitor, bleeder and reverse them

[@AskingForAFriend]

That’s where that noise is coming from

[@ChasesWKshop]

@@AskingForAFriend I wish that was where the hum was coming from. My computer is a 60 cycle hum generating machine haha. Thanks for the advice bud. I’ll try it out.

[@AskingForAFriend]

@@ChasesWKshop you can actually test it by touching it before you solder in the capacitor for any sound but I’m sure you’ll figure it out

[@ChasesWKshop]

@@AskingForAFriend awesome man. I’ll have to give that a try. I’ve done it before with an oscilloscope but doing it in circuit is a lot easier! Thanks bud!

[@dab745]

DO you still sell the "kits"?

[@ChasesWKshop]

I can probably get you one together. Send me a message to [e-mail]

[@willycortez3732]

this will make any guitar pickups sounds good?

[@ChasesWKshop]

It just keeps the integrity of the pickup at a low volume. Don’t think it will make one sound any better except for when playing at a low volume.

[@willycortez3732]

Chase'sWKshop thanks

[@Alpine_Nightly]

Great video, Chase! Would this work okay on a Les Paul with 50's wiring? Would I essentially be replacing the current caps that are on it with this modded one, or soldering it as an additional component on the pots? Thanks, man!

[@ChasesWKshop]

Larry Greenwell thanks bud. It’s possible the caps that are on it if they’re wired like the treble bleed then you may already have this in your guitar. Thanks for the kind words bud.

[@Alpine_Nightly]

@@ChasesWKshop Hey, Chase! The guitar is a DIY build my son and I just finished. I wired the guitar myself, so the current caps don't have them. Are you saying I could just take the current ones off, solder these lil' resistor fellas to them, and put them back on? Also, I would love to buy them from you, but I didn't see them on your site, or the eBay shop. Are you still selling these kits?

[@ChasesWKshop]

The rebel bleed goes between the output and ground. You may just have a tone cap in there.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Treble not rebel lol.

[@Alpine_Nightly]

@@ChasesWKshop Ha! Rebel bleed sounds pretty cool too, though. Yeah, I should've been more specific; the caps on there already are tone caps. They're Orange Drops (.022), too. Would be replacing those with the rebel treble bleeds, or supplementing them with the bleeds? Thanks again!

[@Person-uz5lw]

I have a guitar that sounds great with my volume on 10 but the second I turn the volume down to even 9.5 it sounds like I've rolled my tone knob all the way off. This could fix the problem?

[@ChasesWKshop]

Person do you know what size k potentiometer you have in the volume position?

[@clevc112]

Off sounds much better

[@74dartman13]

I like the idea of the switch. I installed a treble bleed on a guitar and found I didn't like it on all the time. I may try one again...with a switch this time. Thanks!👍😎🎸🎶

[@ChasesWKshop]

74dart man when I was building it it hit that not everyone might not like the sound all the times I thought the switch might be a good idea. I’m going to do another video installing maybe a switch or a pull pot to take it in and out of the circuit. Thanks for the comment bud and hope all is well!

[@74dartman13]

@@ChasesWKshop a pull pot would be cool. Thanks and I hope you and your family are well. Take care!👍😎🎸🎶

[@brythecracker]

What is that button behind your bridge?

[@ChasesWKshop]

Hey bud, That’s the string knob for the B Bender mechanism.

[@chrisanderson9374]

Awesome video and very informative. Hey you guys aren’t hiring are you? I saw on your website you’re based in muscle shoals. I live in Lawrenceburg right Up the road.

[@shadrickambojnon2528]

Can you draw some scematic diagram sir

[@stephenramoran2001]

Hi ! is the cap .001uF or .01uF ?

[@littlebritain64]

These values apply also for a Stratocaster?

[@ChasesWKshop]

I’m sure each type pickup and setup vary but yes you will have similar results. Thanks for the comment.

[@shadrickambojnon2528]

What resistor did you use how muck kilowatt

[@ChasesWKshop]

Shadrick Ambojnon 150k.

[@shadrickambojnon2528]

I thought it was 150ohhms sir... is it okey that i put sir 150 ohmms need your advice sir...thank you god bless

[@ChasesWKshop]

Shadrick Ambojnon I’d go with the 150k or one closer to that value. That’s a big jump from 150 ohms to 150,000 ohms. I don’t think it would damage anything but I don’t think it would work as a treble bleed circuit like explained. You never know though. Experiment with it and see.

[@shadrickambojnon2528]

@@ChasesWKshop last question sir...this is what i put capacitor mylar type but its hard to find like what you put in your guitar i try hard to find orange thats why i put a mylar capacitor its a 100k and 154J...is that much to the resistor 150k sir...thanks and more power.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Shadrick Ambojnon you can use ceramic too. Doesn’t have to be the orange drop. Many other types use these.

[@esmeulonsouzadeoliveira3636]

Show Gostei Brother Irado 🔱 .

[@stevekelley1536]

Nice mod. I'm always chasing tone.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Steve Kelley thanks. Aren’t we all!!

[@yosemitesam4549]

The hum, ouch.

[@ChasesWKshop]

Yes I’ve got a project hopefully to fix it. 80$ for a hum x or make my own for a couple $$. You know what I’m doing haha.

[@markkornmiller4404]

Buy yourself a fly hook holder

[@shadowcasterstudios4042]

you forgot one crucial detail,, only because you have probably never experienced it .. but whats gonna happen when you un plug from your little puny 50w amp that needs this mod and actually get a paying gig, plug into a 150W 4 channel tube half stack ran through a soundboard with the gain rolled beyond the MIC setting on the preamp ran to 20 grand in speakers and y you forget to tell the sound engineer you have this in your guitar.. or the SE is a I can make anything sound good know it all (which was my case) i told him what i had done,,,, you can hear when your switch and pots break or make contact with a really really lout POP and when you have it ran through the delay reverb and whatever else,,, well you better be ready for it and if you are not hope you are not in a small indoor venue like Hardrock Nashville, cause you're about to make everyone spill their beer and shit them selves

[@deltasierra1774]

Fender took these two components and made them into one and charge $70 for it. Ridiculous.

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Lol