Guitar Gear of Trent Reznor NIN - The Downward Spiral era - Nine Inch Nails - Zoom 9002, 9030, JMP-1

[@darkcognitive]

I’ve seen Trent / NIN 3 times now, loved every time. I don’t think he’s lost his edge, he’s just gotten older and entered a different phase of his life and his music reflects that…. Always easy to cling onto the golden era and wish everything sounded the same as what it used to, but thats not how music or life works, everything changes and evolves, for better or worse. I absolutely hated Hesitation Marks for instance when it was first released, however it grew on me and i love it now. A lot of his albums are like that, they grow on you, first like a weed, but then it’s like a vine, clinging on to you and flowering all over the place.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep I was talking about his studio albums. His live show is great

[@badsanta518]

the older albums were better.

[@santibanks]

A waveshaper is basically a digital processing effect where you can literally draw/scribble a waveform and use that to process the input signal. Because it is a digital mechanism and the waveform itself is drawn, you have the freedom to come up with things which are just not possible to create with regular distortions and fuzz boxes. The reason is that in an analog circuit, the waveform is linear in that you have first of all a continuum (every point is connected) and because components have behaviour there is a certain smoothing. You for example cannot go from one extreme to another instantaneous because the components in the circuit have a response which smooth it down. The waveshaper allows you to draw a waveform which goes between extremes and does not even need to be linear and fully connected. You can leave gaps in there, draw straight paralel lines, go back, etc. This creates super nasty and bizarre sounds with distortion shapes which are so typical of digital processing. iZotope Trash has a waveshaper and that comes in the ballpark. But nothing was as nasty as Turbosynth. I actually still run it. And what you have to appreciate is that processing the sounds with Turbosynths is a labour of love as it is super time consuming. Im running this in an OS9 emulator on a modern mac. Back in 1993 when TDS was recorded, this would be on the macs of that time. Creating small wave files (editing costs time), then processing the sound in turbosynth (rendering costs time, processing is a drama and you will run out of resources quickly), then recording that output back again into the tape machine or a sampler. Hell of a work…

[@sweeterthananything]

this is an excellent explanation but I have the nag impulse to say - the waveform will always be continuous before you hear it - that’s what the D/A convertor and its output filtering ensures. even true square waves dont really exist in any listenable condition because instantaneous change would contain harmonics well beyond human hearing range and destroy things if not for a brickwall antialiasing filter - a lowpass filter is also a lag/slew limiter circuit… but i do not understand the topic fully enough to wrap my head around what would be happening with the nyquist foldover aliasing under those conditions - would the aliasing go down to 0hz and get folded back up? get disposed of by the convertor?

[@santibanks]

@@sweeterthananything What I probably should have worded more carefully is that what you draw in the waveshaper is, what is probably best described as, a modulator which is being applied to the actual incoming sound. Within this modulator, things don't need to be linear and connected. But the audio itself will of course still remain continuous. At least the playback of the audio will be continuous, even though the audio file (waveform) might not be. Just for the fact that a speaker is kind of a mechanical device which needs to produce movement, which in itself is limited in the speed it can produce those movements (hence you cannot have a pure square wave at playback) Regarding Nyquist: I have no idea to be honest. In addition: I believe there are some guitar pedals now which are able to do waveshaping, all DSP based.

[@squidsleap]

Fuck yeah, more Circle of Tone!

[@jval4186]

Seeing Trent in the Slam Bamboo video cracks me up every time

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Haha. For real

[@corycourtney8923]

This is the first time I've see you show off your lead playing power level. That was really impressive. This also felt woefully short for such an amazing album.

[@bingefeller]

Good to see you back with another video.

[@beauwhitlock5034]

The first concert I went to when I was 16 and got my own car was NIN on the downward spiral tour with manson and jim rose side circus show. Ut was amazing

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Living life bro

[@qbsrd]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Hi, can you tell me what model is the all-black guitar in the background of this video? Looks like a Gretsch but I'm not sure, looks great tho

[@badsanta518]

I saw the same tour. it was awesome.

[@MK-oz2lf]

Nice to see you back doing these gear chain videos

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep I've got a few interesting ones lined up.

[@orchestrasingular]

You are aware there’s a huge discussion on one of the gear forum sites where several old NIN members participate about these and other old recordings? The discussion is going on for years now, and really really interesting they open up about many things, processes etc

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Only thing I want to know from ex members is who got punched in the face hardest live?

[@robbyray]

Link? Please?

[@clintn6677]

Good to see you post!

[@aroundth3fur]

MARCH OF THE PIGS, sick tune reminds me of 6th grade & middle school NIN was one of those bands i listened to on repeat

[@kennethnielsen3864]

Welcome back, nice to see content from you again.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks Ken.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

So good to see you again, Owen.

[@kingofdragontown9680]

Never paid much attention to the guitar tones from NIN, but now I certainly wanna go back and check them out.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

It's nasty sounding but nasty to tape can be OK

[@kingofdragontown9680]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE so far impressed by relistening to it

[@edwardmulholland7912]

I’ve been waiting for months it feels like for you to upload more stuff. Great video and you are looking well and healthy. Have a great weekend and thank you for this.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Ed! It's been a great weekend so far. Hehe.

[@chrisbarnette7137]

Adrian Belew added a lot of magic to the Downward Spiral.

[@TheGazza83]

Good to see you back. I thought you gave up on KZbin

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man. It's just most of my gear is in storage.

[@senorsalami]

Great to see you back in action, been a while!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Joel!

[@rodent1412]

Nice to see you again mate

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers!

[@robwalsh9843]

Great seeing you again!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Rob!

[@philfrank5601]

The man is back!

[@CassiniProjekt]

Cool, you're back. Looking forward to more rants about the music world!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep they are coming!

[@z.olderautist2209]

Good seeing you!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks for watching man

[@thedondeluxe6941]

Aaaaaay, more COT! Welcome back!

[@benjaminlinus2792]

Nice to see you man. Cheers!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Ben!

[@TheShrike616]

The Fragile was a landmark album for me, and so it seems a lot of people cutting trailers for action movies in the last 15 years or so. Iirc Trent used the Jmp1 and Zoom trick for that album as well.

[@BLACKSYNTH]

Most of the guitars on the Fragile distorted guiar effects were done with effect pedals and filters notibly and mostly the Way Huge Swollen pikkle and afterwards processed with the Mutronics mutator Filter bank.

[@TheShrike616]

@@BLACKSYNTH Your sources may differ from mine.

[@BLACKSYNTH]

@@TheShrike616 ahh right , this was from Trent Reznor in 2000. I’m putting a pedal board together today with some of that stuff, think softube has a mutronics mutator VST

[@SSRT_JubyDuby8742]

Nice to have you back. 😎🎙🎸✅

[@Stone-faced]

1:00 tabs for this lead??

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Sorry man it was improv

[@bobowrathsovine.]

Over 20 years ago I ran my Korg Pandora's Box into a Mac OS 10. I may have used a tube screamer too and it sounded just like NIN to me just coming out 3 way Pioneer stereo system speakers

[@Hoscitt]

You're alive! 😁

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I don't smell like it

[@Ashadowtotheworld]

Commendable effort!

[@million_heir5298]

Always nice to see another CoT upload! 🤘

[@seancorker5815]

Bloody hell - used to use a JMP1 and zoom 9030 - straight into the desk back in the 90,s. Unfortunately stopped there though compared to NIN

[@furlag2]

As you dived into industrial...i always wondered how to heck the effect was put on Jurgensen's vox...sounded with same tone same with other singers.....the best example is live version of So What...

[@matturner6890]

I'm pretty certain it's an eventide harmoniser

[@furlag2]

@@matturner6890 okay, but does this effect was in market in 90s?

[@0KT0BER]

@@furlag2 Eventide have been in business since 1971, the 910 Harmonizer was introduced in '74 apparently. There's a timeline on their webpage you may find interesting.

[@natanmandala]

Where was or is Trent Reznor getting his industrial drum sounds, sort of like this video? I cannot find drum sounds like this anywhere? Does anybody know what Trent uses for drum and one shot sounds, or what you use on here for that metallic, industrial, mechanical type sound? Please, anybody? Thanks...SBN RESONATE

[@matturner6890]

To me the main kick and snare sounds like a room recording of real drums that were made into samples.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

He used the drummer from porno for pirates and recorded his parts to create loops and samples. I think there is trad drum machine stuff too but IMO the good stuff was the real drums looped over and it became hypnotic. The bass drum in March of the pigs is MASSIVE

[@santibanks]

Some were lifted from records (especially on PHM), some recorded himself directly, some recorded and then re-recorded by playing it back over a PA in a room and capturing that (mostly those ambient sounding drums I assume), some are drum machines in various treated ways. He would spend a lot of time with Flood and Moulder, just creating sounds on synths and samplers.

[@EasyHeat]

My first instinctual reaction was "NO!" Then I gave an ear... "Hey man nice shot" ; )

[@thyrtollander8691]

Finally more COT. Good to see you back again🤘🏼

[@SlyHikari03]

I’ve been wanting this for a long time!

[@kevinstarofficial]

Those cheap Zoom units were also on the Innuendo album used by Brian May, and it was also the sound of every Morbid Angel solo. In the early 90s the Zoom sounds was as used as the Marshall sound easily

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Good info man. Do you have any quotes etc on the Morbid Angel aspect?

[@kevinstarofficial]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE zero quotes. i read somewhere some mentions of trey and zoom and that was enough because nothing else sounds like that zoom effect sound. if you listen to their solos up until domination, youll clearly hear it. it has the consistency of a preset from album to album while the main rhythm tone changes. it cant really be recreated with conventional gear either. i got close by putting the mic in the edge of the cone and setting some distance between the mic and the cabinet in wall of sound, but although it gives those vibes, its not quite like it. that zoom cab sound is really unique

[@notsure1135]

I had that magazine with a lot of those quotes. Billy Corgan was on the cover, it was between SD and MCIS. He had a Gibson Hummingbird in the photo.

[@charliedawe153]

RHCP was in Rick Rubin's mansion, which also had spooky tales attached. Trent recorded in the Sharon Tate house.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

@@charliedawe153 yep got that mixed up.

[@aerobenji2871]

Dude I used to go to the alternative/ metal night on a Thursday. I remember it being upstairs in a club that was a a bit shitty and normally served the older clientele. First place I ever heard Jesus built my hot rod. Maybe 1991 or 1992. Good times. Can you remember the name,? I can recall going outside on the fire stairs where you could cool down and people were smoking various substances.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Remember being on the fire escape watching chaos unfold? Glorious.

[@DielectricFailure]

Gorgeous Gibson Les Paul!

[@rvfiasco]

I'd like to see a Lush one. Especially the tone on Spooky.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

That band was all about the vocal harmony. Glorious.

[@rvfiasco]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Agreed! It didn't always translate as well live as it did on the Album but I did see them with Weezer in '95 in a small club in Cincinnati and the energy definitely was there. Good times! It's like you mentioned though, those times are long gone.

[@dust17111]

Do you address which guitar robin is using in the march of the pigs video , I always loved the look of it ???

[@IsaacCarney-ck2kq]

RHCP did NOT record at the manson house.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yeah I misheard an interview. The place was called The Mansion. They said something like "The Mansion house in Laurel Canyon."

[@CUPUK61]

Blood Sugar Ghost Mansion = 2451 Laurel Canyon Blvd Downward Spiral Tate House = 10050 Cielo Drive Not the same place. And 10050 was torn down and the number not reused.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Ah thanks. I hear Reznor took the front door from the Manson place and still has it.

[@CUPUK61]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE He hung it as the door at Nothing Studios in New Orleans for a while. And he eventually copped a lot of flack for that. IIRC he's never confirmed if he still has it.

[@Jack_Rivet]

Came here to say that. If it was the same place I would have already known. What I didn't know was that after BSSM Rick Rubin bought the mansion (possibly with his points from the album) and maintained it as a recording studio

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

​@@CUPUK61may have been lost when Nothing flooded during Katrina.

[@gabefunnychuff4592]

HE'S BACK YEAHHHH

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Gabe!

[@gabefunnychuff4592]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Also I know you've already mentioned that other people have done it, but it'd still be awesome to get a Pete steele fat strings Friday, don't think anyone would be able to nail it as good or explain it as good as you

[@GothRocker7]

Owen good to see you are coming back, just came across this video, I loved Trent Reznor's/NIN early albums, I loved his 80's and 90's albums, but I have to agree, something is missing now at days. I was also a huge fan of Trent Reznor's/NIN double album sonic masterpiece "The Fragile". I would like to see you do a video on that album. That album has a lot of guitars because Trent himself said the guitar or any string instrument has a sound, a fragility, to it when you play it, it doesn't always sound the same, A synthesizer always sounds the same when you hit the keys, string instruments have a natural fragility to them. I miss the old Trent Reznor, I know he is in a better state of mind now at days and is doing lots of movie work that he enjoys, but I really personally feel Pretty Hate Machine, Broken, The Downward Spiral and The Fragile are all masterpieces. They all hold up well today and I guess I am still a depressed, Angry, sad guy, because I still enjoy these albums and still have the same emotions when I first heard them as a teenager. I feel like an old man, but the 80's into the 90's was really the best era of music in my opinion.

[@Ashadowtotheworld]

Also his bizzare signal chains are basically the reason why NIN actually sounds much better as a live band than in the studio. If you listen to any modern live performance of stuff from Pretty Hate Machine and Dwonward Spiral era it just sounds so much better than the studio version.

[@jessestrobel2]

I'm of a radically different opinion

[@ArtisticAutisticandAiling]

DigiDesign's TurboSynth. Love that 1988 modular synth software. :D

[@thedefhallucinate]

Flood actually did a lot of re-amping and mic’d cabs for the guitar tracks during mixing

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Great info man. Do you have a link with quotes? I can put it in the description.

[@nisroch]

Wrong, that almost never happened. Trent stated in an interview that no Cabinets were ever mic'd. - REZNOR: Almost everything was direct--there was almost no miking of cabinets. I just don't like that sound very much. It sounds boring to me. So we ran through a variety of preamps and speaker simulators. Our main preamp was the new Marshall JMP-1. But I didn't use the speaker simulator in it. I took the direct out of the Marshall into the Zoom 9030, employing just the speaker simulator on that. I really like the sound of the speaker simulator on the Zoom, but I don't like the preamp section. It sounds like what it is: a little box. I also have a Demeter tube preamp that I used sometimes. That one was totally direct, no simulator. It's the ultimate terrible sound. But it works in the context of some of the songs. I also used some of the little Zoom 9002, the old one--the one that clips on your belt. I just used it straight. I like its sound sometimes. nothing.nin.net/int20.html

[@thedefhallucinate]

@@nisroch I said during mixing not recording, Alan Moulder spoke about it in an interview a few years ago about the making of The Downward Spiral, trying to find the article online

[@nisroch]

@@thedefhallucinate Alan only showed up during the mixing sessions so I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. It's already well established that the guitar tones on Broken, TDS and The Fragile were done by using the 9030 direct into the board and then into digidesign TS where they were mangled using the waveshaper. This is not a sound you can create with a traditional amplifier setup. See this for a very detailed breakdown of how it was done. : kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIWaY6V7hJqGntk

[@thedefhallucinate]

@@nisroch totally Agree, I should have been more clear, meaning he mixed in re-amped guitar tracks, not replacing the direct.

[@maxnorton4893]

You should definitely do a Circle of Tone on Billy Howerdel from APC.

[@PANDRIUX]

you could play that song "happiness in slavery" live from woodstock 94, especially that guitar SOLO that robin fick does

[@CT68]

6:12 I saw Nin in a club in 89-90 on the PHM tour and honestly, all I could see was the fog and strobe lights. Later, I saw him at Lollapalooza, good show (still fog machine and strobes, but in the daylight.) I can't remember which album tour I saw him next, it was either Downward Spiral or The Fragile, now THAT was a show. The sound quality was about as good as bands like Pink Floyd. Also, I got to catch him when he played with How To Destroy Angels in a smaller venue, his wife Mariqueen was singing and it was an AMAZING show. Seriously, they didn't half-ass it because it was a side project in a smaller theatre, they brought in trucks and it was pretty awesome.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Very cool.

[@BataraKado]

thanks for the IR aswell as another cool ass video!

[@connorm3326]

Happy almost birthday

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers! 50 years old. Haha

[@MrMetalhorse]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE wtf dude? You look 35!

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE bs you're 50... 40 is my guess

[@Hellseeker1]

Exactly, what hits have they made? Trents my hero

[@yetanotheruser1989]

It's interesting watching videos about more traditional guitar recording techniques. Heads, cabinets, mic placements, room sound, etc. Then comparing that to artists who DI guitars through various processors and whatnot. It lets me remember that there is no perfect guitar sound. It's what suits the genre, the feel, and the song itself.

[@Mr2it3881]

I loved that movie just for the ending alone! hahah

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

So great. So satisfying.

[@TheMasonator777]

Yes

[@Rahn1975]

I used to get a pretty similar sound in my industrial days back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Line out of a peavey bandit (I think, some kind of peavey combo) straight in to a Tasman Portastudio. Done. Early NIN and Skinny Puppy tone unlocked. To my deaf ears anyway.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I had that Tascam too. Hehe. First production advice I ever got was from a John Peel book. I think black flag did something similar with random Peavey PA's

[@Vrangor]

Oh my God, that Slam Bamboo song made me feel like little kid again! It's a really nostalgic sound:)

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Haha

[@rodrigotellom]

Blood Sugar Sex Magik and The Downward Spiral were not recorded in the same house. Common confusion.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Please tell me you've got some type o stuff for Halloween..

[@TheMetalFoundry]

Cool video! It'd be interesting to see you cover the tone Trent had in the subsequent albums. Didn't he use a Line6 Vetta at one point? I remember seeing Trent listed as a Vetta II Combo artist on the Line6 website once.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

That's one of my fav things that line 6 put out. I believe the team that worked on that went onto form Strymon but my dates could be off.

[@TheMetalFoundry]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Oh that's cool! I did not know that. I bought a Vetta II HD 2 years ago, a childhood dream come true :D

[@dos350]

how about the fragile there alot more guitar focus in that album

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Guitars are boring

[@KozmykJ]

Owen lives !!!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Living large bro

[@TheGarageRecordingSC]

Good to see you back brother!! I saw NIN at Woodstock ‘94 & it was definitely an experience!!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Man that's a crazy one

[@riffsnoleads]

no Crate Electra? times are changin

[@MB-uz2zu]

Zoom 505 is super cheap and can emulate most of the 9030 sounds with some editing. I own all the zoom gear and it's surprisingly easy on the 505 to get the metal guitar tone. (C1 preset - edit distortion to mtl) done.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Good info

[@M.Holland]

There’s several places around here where I live, wich are still playing the good old metal/rock /alternative stuff from the 90s. Even the younger generation is going nuts for this. But I have to say: over here there’s a big 90s revival trend….

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I'm sitting in a bar in Savannah listening to Nu Metal from the 90's that college kids put on the jukebox.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE were they being ironic or legit into it?

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

@@WholeLottaBulldog It was very brah sik oriented

[@claudiasolomon1123]

Industrial metal & industrial rock are my favorite metal & rock genres. They're metal&rock for angry crazy tech nerds❤🤟

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

You may like this Godflesh video I did a while back kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIjQip6bh9SFhqM

[@brpadington]

Pretty Hate Machine had great guitar tones too.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed.

[@VuotoPneumaNN]

RHCP did not record at Le Pig

[@aerobenji2871]

Barons?

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I forgot the damn name. Yep that was it. Pie and chips opposite and a few fights with the townies mixed in.

[@ZachJames]

Some rando on youtube thinks a guy who has won 3 Oscars has "lost his edge." ROFL

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Correct

[@dr4d1s]

Why did you have to put that murder scene in? Really threw me off, couldn't continue watching after that.

[@MichaelBruceTaos]

Try Downward Spiral on cid. Oh yeah baby.

[@Xplora213]

Great video, and a great example of personality overcoming any sonic issues that might exist. My first girlfriend loved NIN and to this day, I don’t know what was the point 😂 But loved the weird approach to the recordings. We searched for the Brown sound, maybe we just needed a bit more charisma to sell our Line6 BS a bit better 🤪🤪🤪 Good to see you back Owen. Babies are More Important than guitars 💕

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man. Good to be making stinking noise.

[@dom85esc1]

Those days need to come back. We're all pissed off at how much the top 1-10 percent are pinching us for every penny they can at every angle they possibly can while they laugh their ass off all the way to the damned bank, and what, we're listening to pop?! We're all listening to 30 second shorts on instagram/tik-tok?! Wheres the angst?! Where's the anger?! Where's the outlet?! 🤣

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed. I'm disappointed at modern industrial rock and metal. With the DAW it should be a golden age.

[@timeagan893]

CIRCLE OF TONE.... READ BELOW

[@T.d.Mack74]

I saw them are the downward spiral tour microphones keyboards guitars Roadies you name it they destroyed it

[@daveethridge7342]

Being a father is time consuming and fulfilling. I bet your baby is getting big. Getting into stuff and trying to climb on everything. I took my 12 year old daughter to her 1st concert on Labor Day. KORN. I wanted her to see that there's a lot of us freaks and weirdos. She my Little Rainbow 🌈In The Dark🤘

[@saturnineritual4807]

Imagine if someone took all of this and put it into a pedal

[@night_speed]

I agree Trent has definitely lost his studio magic. The Fragile was peak studio Trent. After The Fragile, with the edition of Atticus Ross every album since has been recorded the same way, that is; Trent playing around with ideas on various instruments while Atticus hits record on his computer. Then once Trent has had enough he walks away and Atticus arranges the clips he's recorded. Not very exciting in my opinion and now they're scoring Disney movies and working with Halsey. Nine Inch Nails was my favorite band growing up and the tour with David Bowie was my first concert in 95. I've seen them on just about every tour since including HTDA and I must say that the Fragility tour was definitely the best. Even the guitars on that tour were beautiful. They had a bunch of custom Les Pauls with gorgeous Fragile themed paint jobs most of which were smashed. A Perfect Circle opened for them on that tour and I remember reading an interview with Billy Howerdell who used to be a NIN guitar tech about how he would collect all the guitars Trent broke and try to resurrect as many as he could. A lot of the guitar tones on The Downward Spiral and The Fragile are stunningly beautiful and no one ever talks about it so thanks for making this video. Nice cover btw. Oh and the Tate house that Trent renamed Le Pig to serve as his studio for The Downward Spiral and several other projects is not the same as The Mansion owned by Rick Ruben where The Red Hot Chili Peppers recorded. The Tate house was demolished after Trent moved out whereas Rick Ruben still owns The Mansion. LCD Soundsystem also recorded there among others.

[@neve4020]

Why did the beginning sound like Guns N‘ Roses? xD

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Because I'm on heroin

[@neve4020]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE Haha! You should do that more often! It was a thing!

[@livinghere1972]

You mean in sin city swansea? drive past it. looks grimey lol

[@swettyspaghtti]

We get a vid every 6th months now??? :(

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I have a new setup finally so things will pick up.

[@swettyspaghtti]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE one of our fave channels you know. Hook up the fans !

[@OnslaughtSix]

"What hits have they had?" Literally everything that makes top 40 is using VSTs and was made in a DAW dude, wtf are you talking about

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Rock and metal is what I'm talking about my guy. Disco and EDM have been snapped to a grid since the 80's. Rock and metal have fallen off the map with the proliferation of the DAW. We have a million musicians with access to recording vs a few thousand in the 80's and 90's. Rock and metal should be dominating. So where are all the hits?

[@OnslaughtSix]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE 90% of everything is garbage. Always has been. With more people making stuff, there's just more garbage. People are doing high quality rock and metal out there, just look up any New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal playlist. Problem is nobody gives a shit, and if someone who sounded like any older band debuted today, they wouldn't have a hit. The sound isn't relevant anymore.

[@ChrisRamseyer]

I can't even count the number of times I've seen NIN since 1992. The shows in the 90s were insane. It's too bad Trent and company can't bring that magic back. He is obviously not into it the same way as he was back then. Now it's just going through the motions without having the emotion to make it real.

[@medulasa1]

I think telling an Oscar-winning composer to change up his rig is a bit... misguided. Especially since you don't seem to know that Trent *has* actually gone for a mostly-modular and boutique analog setup for at least the last decade

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Are you saying he does not use soundtoys etc? I claimed he's lost his edge. I think that's valid but I could be wrong. IMO the lack of detail of his old setup helped him.

[@night_speed]

Everything still gets recorded directly into Atticus' computer where he arranges all of Trent's clips. Of course he has a studio full of expensive boutique one off synths. Once you stop experimenting and discover a formula you start to appeal to the masses and win awards then you make enough money to afford all that gear. But necessity is the mother of invention and he made better albums with his first small collection of second hand synths which included a ppg wave 2.3, oberheim xpander and a minimoog that would barely stay in tune. His music used to be so full of texture almost like the sound itself was tangible. He lost that somewhere and I don't think it's misguided to say that we miss the days before an influential rock icon started churning out mediocre formulaic songs and scoring Disney films. I don't care how many hp of eurorack Trent has in his studio because the last great NIN album was The Fragile and once Atticus came in on With Teeth and started arranging everything it was never the same. Atticus should've stuck with 12 Rounds because that was a cool band and Trent should arrange his own damn songs and see his own ideas through. Obviously I'm just old and bitter and miss the 90's.

[@tetractysproductions]

Your opinion is wrong.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

So why did industrial metal never get better than early NIN?

[@jessestrobel2]

A vid chock full of bad takes