"Knights of Cydonia" Chart Comparison (Expert Guitar) - Guitar Hero 3 / Rock Band 4 DLC

Knights of Cydonia - Muse
Surprisingly similar charts during the strumming parts, quite different in others. The biggest surprise is that the strumming parts aren't laned in RB4 lmao
Btw y'all can thank Acai for encouraging me to make this video last night in his stream, I didn't plan on making this until he planted the idea in my brain

[@acai28]

honestly find RB4's chart a lot more natural, especially in the outro. GH3's is a good nostalgia kick with great alt charting but it's refreshing to see a Rock Band chart that cleared my expectations on ALL instruments

[@aWiseMoose]

The outro has such a nice groove to it, and being able to feel that groove with the hopos is great

[@JustZackster]

Honestly I was just thinking about how I play it on guitar and rock band feels much more like it’s actually played, which I think is a plus

[@Damstructions-funny]

If you've played Rocksmith, that's actually how the tab is played.

[@noisew4ll]

i wouldn't say the GH version has great alt charting, all it did was steal something that should have been charted to bass all along

[@hiruharada2650]

Ye.

[@Soulvior]

14 years since last Muse DLC for Rock Band, 15 years since this song was in a rhythm game. FeelsOldMan

[@jedkronfeld6948]

It was on disc for RS2014, they added a pretty cool chart that included the vocal and trumpet parts

[@GamerJM0]

I was legit 14 years old when I wanted to play this song in Rock Band, I'm now heading into my 30s lol

[@ryanrobertson9744]

Legit new muse dlc out now on rb4

[@ohafomob]

Play it on rocksmith all the time

[@yol_n]

@@jedkronfeld6948 yeah you can technically buy a rythm game with this song... until they remove RS2014 from the stores that is

[@ItsKryptick]

Rock Band is charted more closely to how its actually played vs GH being charted towards how it actually sounds. Both work in their own respects. Edit: We got some brainlets in the replies mad that I compared a video game to real life. I play guitar. I am not calling the RB4 chart comparable to real life, but it is more similar in the way it’s charted. Such as the intro only being one sustain note, which is accurate. Or the spacing between the tremolo picking instead of just up and down the fretboard. I didn’t call it a real guitar, but it’s as close as a plastic guitar can get to the real thing.

[@slodeth7497]

I forgot about the colorful buttons on my guitar I use to play this song, you’re right rockband is so much closer to the real thing. Idiot.

[@addystontuckerray2054]

@@slodeth7497 he means the fucking rhythm you douche bag.

[@whyisithard8857]

@@slodeth7497 🤓

[@djmintyfreshful]

That’s true in some sections for RB but the GH chart is just better.

[@Kropolis]

@@slodeth7497

[@Havelthegravel]

I feel like GH3 goes more with the sound and RB4 goes with how the guitar actually plays. Both fantastic

[@loonypear]

Part of that is because RB4 has keyboard that covers the other sound

[@KyleDavis328]

@@loonypear No it doesn't. RB4 dropped keyboard support, only RB3 has keys. They just dropped the sound because it's not the guitar part. They also dropped the acoustic guitar strikes from the intro.

[@loonypear]

@@KyleDavis328 Ohh shit that’s right, I forgot

[@ninjapwnsatlyfe]

I feel like I'm betraying my roots here but I definitely prefer the rb4 chart. Nothing can replace the years of nostalgia though for the classics

[@1UpGam3r]

Just imagine if they remade Jordan into rock band

[@jadenbogart223]

Speaking of "Jordan", it was involved in GH2 as a bonus track, and Buckethead was the one who performed it, yo

[@Unknownusername1004]

It wouldn’t be nearly as difficult as the over charted mess that GH2 had. Still hard as fuck but no where that level everyone remembers. The same with through the fire and the flames from GH3

[@jakesnussbuster3565]

@@Unknownusername1004 ttfaf is still aids on rb so idk what you mean

[@RaydenThompson]

@@jakesnussbuster3565 yeah the sh chart was a little bit overkill though But the RB3 chart is pretty fun

[@Jason_Bover9000]

@@RaydenThompson i had rock band 1 and 2 i almost every guitar hero even Aerosmith and Metallica acdc this is a good song though

[@ZombiedWolf]

Extended sustains would do wonders here 1:50

[@Kratos21_HL]

I was thinking the same

[@Unknownusername1004]

Game wise yes but music wise no. It clearly cuts audio before the chord so staccato makes sense

[@beardalaxy]

Definitely was thinking that too. I think GH3 took the better approach given the limitations

[@GamingGardevoir]

That's what I'm saying!

[@TR1PLE_6]

The bass solo has a perfect bonus of 16,000 which means that has 160 notes. In GH3 the bass chart has 1,599 notes (checked it in CH since you can't play bass charts on their own in GH3 except in practice mode) while in RB4 it has 1,758. That's a difference of 159.

[@Hopecaster]

So are solo bonuses straight up just "Notes * 100" for the perfect bonus? I've always been wondering this

[@donaldtrump4206]

@@Hopecaster yes.

[@TR1PLE_6]

@@Hopecaster In RB, yes. It was also the case in Clone Hero but that was changed to notes x 100 no matter what percentage (60% or above) is hit for competitive purposes.

[@c4gam1ng12]

Not a bass solo, it’s originally played on a synth. It’s not in the isolated bass track and Chris never plays it live.

[@TR1PLE_6]

@@c4gam1ng12 I know it isn't really a bass solo but it's odd that it's charted anyway. I suppose it's better than 17 measures of nothing on bass.

[@SDogo]

If you have played this song on guitar or bass, you know that the RB4 version is more like the real deal. The GH version mixes part of the bass track into the guitar track (the taping solo at 3:01 it's supposed to be in the bass track).

[@chrissy9997]

The bass track on guitar hero / rock band? Sure. In the actual song that's not a bass it's just a synth.

[@nonzz3ro]

Rock Band charts that part to bass, which seems more appropriate given the tones

[@tristanraine]

@@nonzz3ro also gives something for the bass player to do, it stops like everything except from the vocals being the main thing

[@Lil-lau96]

A video comparing GH and RB’s chart is a kick of nostalgia. Not strictly related but remember being subscribed to a lot of channels doing FCs and/or doing battles against other channels, specially the drum dudes lol

[@pspcow]

All that shit died off, but I do remember watching gh/rb as much as playing it

[@RockStampPAS]

Copyright crackdowns ended the entire music game genre singlehandedly. All hype that was generating from YT content got taken down. Sad times.

[@kylebusch4528]

The guitar hero one is more fun but the rb4 one is definitely more accurate to how it’s played on real guitar

[@prod7906]

Guitar hero one is also a lot harder. Rock Band is generally for lower iq players.

[@killicus1103]

@@prod7906 thats why it has a tighter input system than gh?

[@prod7906]

@@killicus1103 Input is a skill issue. Just stop being bad.

[@Naplingbat]

@@killicus1103 Hey 2006 called me, and it's looking for you two. Just thought I'd let y'all know.

[@marciimeris503]

@@prod7906 so... rockband takes more skill. Yet rock band is for lower iq players? Can you explain the logic?

[@paulsd9255]

Oh man I love watching comparison videos, wish there were more for other songs that both series had.

[@jadenbogart223]

It's like the return of the chart comparisons is here, yo

[@Plumato]

It's interesting what each chart considers to have that double strum to sustain. I didn't expect the GH3 chart to be "missing" those while simultaneously "overcharting" them.

[@angelnobody7137]

GH3 overchart a lot

[@Plumato]

@@angelnobody7137 ik

[@jeremiahthetreefrog8178]

Gah I remember this song on guitar hero 3, made my forearm feel like it was going to explode during the “no ones going to take me alive” part

[@neoxthegamer4930]

Same it felt like a uphill battle but feels satisfying once you get it down

[@rootfelixfake6716]

The rock band highway's gems and animations are so goddamn cool.

[@leafchill8821]

3:01 This is where it gets intense in GH3

[@K_Bachi]

This section and the one after it are what separated the men from the boys

[@pathhook5288]

when i reached to that part, i always use the Star Power with the full 100% of energy

[@WillTheChill92]

Guitar Hero deadass mapped the bass solo onto the guitar

[@ThatFanBoyGuy]

I like that Guitar Hero used chords in the intro, but of course, Guitar Hero had to chart that synthesizer for guitar. It also seemed like Guitar Hero missed some notes

[@BladeTheGabite]

to be fair the synths are charted on bass in RB4

[@Hokagevigo]

I remember when I first beat this song on hard mode in GH3. I was so used to using the regular controller but I couldn't beat the parts when you're supposed to strum. So I finally got a guitar controller and when it came to that part, I turned off my X360 controller and strummed with the guitar until it came to pressing different buttons, then I turned off the guitar controller and turned on the regular controller and beat it. Lol did the same with other songs

[@DocTime56]

I LOVE guitar Hero, but lately playing YARG im more of a fan of Harmonix’s charts more than Neversoft’s

[@ThatTonnatoTenrec]

I dislike that the intro doesn't chart the strums like GH3 does, it feels and sounds really powerful to play those. VERY suprising none of this is lanes, its what i was woried about actually. Final part has hammer ons thrown in which i should like, but ive grown to challenge of alt strumming those on GH3. Still im super happy that RB has finally got more Muse, and im also VERY glad only 1 of the tracks was featured on GH, i would have been bummed if all 3 songs have been on GH before hand,

[@swinelias]

And on top of that, the one GH track is one that appeared in a non-band centric GH game.

[@portable_head]

Still hoping they add Assassin tho, the drum part in it slaps

[@capngeeoff]

There are a few other places where the Rock Band chart has a few extra strums. Seems like it kinda evens out. I'd say the biggest difference in these two charts is that GH3 charts the synth solo and RB does not

[@trooperV2003]

5:38 I felt that overstrum

[@joaquingonzalez834]

thank goodness that overstrums don't count as missed notes

[@NotDingse]

God i love this song! It sounds better than ever here.

[@AkkumuLBC]

I'd low-key buy a PS4 nowadays just to play this banger of a song fr

[@falsebat]

I knew this outro bugged the hell out of me on GH3 and now I understand why.

[@josephhutchison596]

GH version: all instrument sound-oriented RB version: guitar only sound -oriented

[@DaneInTheUS]

Very interesting. GH seems harder and closer to the overall "feeling" of the song, but RB is just the lead guitar. Very interesting that they made different choices on this! Thank you for uploading

[@radish1972]

RB is significantly harder than GH because of the engine

[@sungod5866]

RB is also as accurate as possible on a 5 fret to how it's played on a real guitar

[@norris5754]

wow two for one! also thanks for the comparison

[@CloneHeroUruguay]

3:00 RB4: i sleep

[@Bass.Messiah]

Honestly, both are good, its purely preference based at that point. Solid charts

[@slade5353]

the outro is sooooo much better with the hammer on's, it's just how you play it on a real guitar

[@thescout465]

1:50 that was really charted differently

[@IMaximusDMI]

It seems far enough apart that Guitar Hero made the right call with that. Both really good charts though. I like Rock Band 4 overall, but another instances is 3:55. It feels so much cooler gameplay-wise for that build up to be a 3 note chord. But you just don't hear it so much in the guitar which you can understand why HMX charted it as a 2 note chord.

[@failtolawl]

Because it's supposed to be a slow strum chord, guitar hero makes it seem like each string in the chord is strum at each note

[@NihilisticSnake]

Thank fuck Harmonix gave us hammer-ons in the ending part

[@mattkroening7964]

The ending was agony in GH3 for me, I’m a lefty 💀

[@TnZay]

The RB4 chart is really something lol

[@the_real_mo1keyn]

Would be awesome if there was a chart comparison of "Peace Sells" in RB2 and GH DLC

[@rynnziolkowski4642]

Dang makes me wish I still had working guitars to go back and play these games again

[@Bak3dGamingYT]

This song was one of my first ever FCs I’ve ever done on guitar hero. Such a fun song.

[@swinelias]

Lol, at 3:57 the RB chart puts sustains on the 3rd note of the blue notes series only to never put them again for the rest of the other blue notes.

[@oldieal7032]

It's because they start having leading notes after those two blue sustains, meaning that the gap between the notes is too short to justify a sustain.

[@PinkSpiderFan10]

I’m always so addicted in GH3 because of its ui. I love the 50,100 note streak and so on display.

[@mirandacarrasquillo6391]

I’ve been patiently waiting. *hoping* for RB and/or GH to come back. To be accessible again on household consoles (like the switch maybe?). To make it’s way back into the mainstream. Beat saber is cool and all, but A) I can’t afford my own VR and B) It’s also not quite the same. I have yet to ever play a video game that gives me the same feeling of shredding with your friends on a great song in either GH/RB. I remember when I got rock band for Christmas for the PS2. Not sure why they’ve lost their popularity or why they aren’t made new anymore…but if I could ever buy this for the switch I absolutely would. And maybe I’m baised or naive, but I feel like generations of younger kids now would enjoy it just as much as we did

[@ryanrobertson9744]

Rock band 4 is still updated with songs on ps4 and Xbox One, WDYM? Also arcades usually have guitar hero

[@mirandacarrasquillo6391]

@@ryanrobertson9744 yeah but we’re up to the ps5 now haha. And I’m talking about how the demand for the game isn’t nearly what it was anymore. It’s not a household game anymore. Playing in arcade isn’t anywhere near the same thing. Not to mention that it’s not a standard and there are plenty of arcades that don’t even have it.

[@ghostmaster860]

i think now is the time for a next gen RB5. heck i still play my RB4. love it. need new instuments though and the PS5 could make RB5 incredible. rock and roll never dies!

[@mirandacarrasquillo6391]

@@ghostmaster860 i would be so happy if this happened.

[@J_Pawsadas-PTSDEnjoyer]

PC gaming has more focus on it than ever and you can have a very customized/tailored experience on things like clone hero, with an unthinkable amount of community-made charts. of course, it's not nearly as ubiquitous in households and culture as GH or RB were, and the experience is different in it's own way. but this type of game isn't dead, it's still thriving with a whole community around it in a different form.

[@DougSalad]

I hate that i like the RB4 chart better. KoC was one of my top played GH songs growing up on GH3. I never thought I could have nostalgia not just for the game and it's look and songs, but also the way it's got it's colorful blobs laid out.

[@Dovahkiin520]

one thing to note is the Guitar Hero version is the Live version the band played in Toyoko while RB4 is just the standard studio recording

[@BenAck912]

"Knights Of Cydonia but it's an easy rider."

[@DcComfy2011]

The rare, the legacy, the myth, the sequel

[@nate1029]

Man i wish the gh series hadn’t died

[@vincentcloud]

Rock Band feels more like your playing the guitar. When he does the vocals its like GH said "we have to much OCD put random notes up there." Always felt Rock Band was the superior product. Me and a couple friends played at least once a week and usually bought a couple new songs(my friend would cuss on the drums we choose Ride The Lightning).

[@kgunitkeese17]

I find the difference makes sense because RB is actually treating as an actual separation of the instruments, while GH is like this based on how it sounds and incorporates all the instrumentation into the guitar. GH doesn’t work properly for that reason so that’s why it doesn’t feel as natural. A good example is Through the Fire and Flames: that song’s intro is not a guitar, it’s a keyboard.

[@borisrz3080]

Intro is played with an acoustic guitar…

[@kgunitkeese17]

@@borisrz3080 of what song, KoC or TTFAF? If the latter, it is a keyboard.

[@MKNerdMusic]

@@kgunitkeese17 The intro to TTFAF is guitar, which is why it’s also charted in the Rock Band version. Yes, GH does include keyboard sections in its chart, but the intro is not one of them.

[@kgunitkeese17]

@@MKNerdMusic but is that acoustic guitar we are hearing coming from an actual guitar and not a keyboard? I’ve checked and there is no mention of an acoustic guitar. They play without a keyboard live because the keyboardist is not a member of the band. My main point is that GH incorporates the keyboard into the controller, but in reality it’s not supposed to.

[@MKNerdMusic]

@@kgunitkeese17 I do agree with that sentiment. Guitar Hero was always notorious for charting non-guitar sections for most songs. However, if you listen to the isolated guitar stem for TTFaF, you’ll immediately tell that it’s acoustic guitar.

[@NightmareLyra]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the RB4 chart is way better

[@Denkersis]

GH3 couldn't resist the urge to add extra notes (I still resent the charts of Stricken and Before I Forget)

[@gabrielbevis1961]

Off topic: I've finally listened to Thrice and I've been blown away at how much they improved over the years. Their 2016 album "To be Everywhere is to be Nowhere" is by far the best album I've ever listened to in a long time.

[@Lattrodon]

I've always loved rock band most. Guitar hero tends to have really weird charts

[@uigvmauricio]

The Chart of the custom for Rock Band 3 is great too 🤘🏻🎸

[@vietnamesesandwhiches]

Knights of Cydonia... Ah the memories... I always had trouble towards the end, in medium of course. 😅

[@welon17]

Come ride with me through the veins oh history

[@The84Chambers]

Memories 😢

[@UnholyGsus]

Didn't realize how bad I miss old guitar hero 3. Spent a lot of time on that game.

[@YourPalJamieEllis]

Relax your eyes so the images overlap. Trippy

[@zombeast23]

Awesome Horray A +

[@charlywonka3909]

Toda obra maestra tiene su copia

[@yoloman6850]

THAT WAS AWESOME!!! Would be a honor to play together sometime although am not as skilled. Either way I subbed and will be watching for more videos. Upmost Respect to you! I'm KillrClowns saying Let There Be Rock!! ✌️ ☮️ 🕊

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Blows my mind every time I’m reminded they still do RB4 DLC lol

[@L_A_R_G]

0:17 where the hell are the strum markers??? C3’s version had them; what’s this game’s excuse? What’s the point of putting this song in RB if you can’t even be bothered to use its features???

[@aWiseMoose]

Found the one guy complaining about there NOT being lanes

[@infrarain]

LMFAO

[@elonpepe3645]

Bruuuuuuh

[@advancewarstournamentseries]

Classic Guitar Hero chart that even steals the best parts from bass, so the general person goes "well you can't even hear the bass hurdurr", like people know what bass is (GH fucking bass players for decades now lmao)

[@MidgarMerc]

I believe RB4 had the keyboard from RB3 so any synthesizer segments would be put there whereas GH3 was ONLY guitar meaning they could do both parts

[@lukedunlap9543]

Guitar Hero and Rock Band. What's the difference?

[@mellowminty]

ugh im so glad rb4 put hopos in the outro. im downstrum usually so that outro killed me

[@hiruharada2650]

RB4 chart wins. I hate over-charting, or when something's off. Playing a real guitar tells me things. ....like how it's funny that they didn't chart the synth part at all, yet GH3 did which makes it weirdly closer to CH charted on not-guitar sounds.

[@runamerone5492]

The overcharting in guitar Hero is almost entirely why I stopped supporting guitar Hero. That and the flame-rising animations that always threw me off and seemed to put a bit of distance between the not being played and the sound of it. I tentatively got into Guitar hero and loved it. got super into Guitar Hero 2 and got to expert on that. got to guitar Hero III and almost gave up on the genre. Thought I was 'over it' and that the fad was dead. Didn't know about the dev change or the team change, just thought it was over for me. then a friend got Rock Band on PS3, I played it and was immediately like 'wait, this feels like Guitar Hero but easier'' Then I did my research and found out why. I've bought guitar hero games since then but it's never been the same. Stuck with Rock Band and am still playing it in 2022.

[@zombeast23]

The Best Rock N roll

[@ProcyonDei]

Guitar Hero is more about the sound of the music, Rock Band is more about the instrument itself, both are good...

[@TheEvilSoad]

Se a indústria não tivesse saturado o GH com vários lançamentos um em.cima do outro, talvez não tivesse se acabado

[@darkmikau]

Dá uma olhada no Clone Hero, voltei a jogar recentemente com a guitarra do Xbox 360 no pc e é um ótimo substituto.

[@SaveAwesomeMatt]

I’ll be honest; I like everything about the RB4 Chart better EXCEPT that they don’t chart that keyboard part. Yeah I know a lot of fans didn’t like when they did that but it would have rilled in that blank part on the guitar chart with some genuinely fun to play phrases. It doesn’t have to be realistic, folks; just has to be run.

[@SaveAwesomeMatt]

Fun*

[@sungod5866]

That is now charted to bass

[@sorakekevii]

I've never seen the RB4 chart before, but seeing it compared to the GH3 chart, I'd say I prefer the RB4 chart

[@Nothereman9999]

This f'n song. Of all the songs in all the Guitar Heros this is the one that caused me the biggest headache.

[@JOmR20]

I love to think of Guitar Hero as playing lead guitar (with extra instruments) and Rock Band as Rhythm/background guitar because of the chart differences, yet it's still fun to play whatever songs both game franchises have, I really hope we get more Muse songs soon

[@NotDingse]

I see it the other way around. In the intro at least, it seems the GH version follows the acoustic guitar, whereas the RB version follows the lead.

[@JOmR20]

@@NotDingse Now that you mention it, it's probably both but depending on the song and/or parts of the song, but this is how I mostly see them on a majority of songs I've seen compared

[@kewveg2390]

I like both versions

[@icekind1336]

I don’t play Rock Band 4, but that chart is way batter than Guitar Hero 3.

[@user84074]

With equal time in both franchises, I gotta say I still prefer GH charting. It's more fun to play. RB's is too technical and overcharted for a lot of songs. Plus the difference between Hard/Expert on RB is too extreme.

[@Squirrels1908]

F.C.P.R.E.M.I.X chart comparison now? 👀

[@deliciousdale9981]

Soooooo how can I play this now? I cant find any GH guitars and no idea how to play it on pc

[@FloriPondioHD]

Despite the song, and the games being awesome, i have this theory that the movie Rango (Yeah that one with the chameleon) is inspired by the music video of KoC.

[@TheOrangeSunsetGaming]

Does anyone know where to get an GH/Rock Band controller? Been trying a lot of places and they're like $400 bucks.

[@FirestarHart]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but they should’ve laned the strums.

[@jmatureharmonious]

Bruh If they laned the strums it would've been much harder to FC. I'm glad they weren't laned because strumming at this speed without lanes is possible

[@beovulf7241]

GG

[@chrislol8008]

They didn't lane fuck it guys let's go

[@zombeast23]

Rock On Out In

[@thelonewolf191]

This is why I have trust issues

[@ryanfreebody6881]

Not that much difference. Two major parts, intro you play Acoustic on GH3 and Electric on RB4. Other stand out part RB4 did it as chords which it is, GH3 did it as singular notes. Other than that and some minor differences like 2 button compared to 1 on some chords, they are pretty bang on. I got bias to RB4 playing it still given the size of the library so I prefer that layout. But, I used to hate RB layout when I was into GH, now it's the opposite it's funny. GH Metallica is the only GH game I play. It's pretty cool to see how close they are, I know only 5 notes not going to be major changes.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Which is the best guitar for Rock Band 4? The Bluetooth one I got with Rivals is awfull. The signal gets hung up I swear. I can't get 100 % on any song even the easiest ones. But if I play with a RB1 guitar w/dongle it works great, but my RB1 guitar's rock star power doesn't work anymore.

[@andrewhamel1]

I know it's not ABOUT this. But I think the RB chart is better

[@thelifeofdt]

I think so too. Only thing I would suggest is that they mapped that they mapped the bass solo

[@McLeonVP]

it's easier

[@andrewhamel1]

@@McLeonVP these games are party games so that helps imo

[@zaruzinho]

Guitar hero😍

[@Viper505repiV1]

Kinda wondering how the GH version has 1917 notes when the RB one has 1687.

[@furonet138]

The synth part

[@LucDaMan4]

GH likes to chart notes that are either bass notes or just not really there

[@kruoth9070]

rare case of a song being easier on rock band than on guitar hero

[@SharkWithFreakinLaserBeam]

How many people still play Guitar Hero? People are buying used/renewed guitar + game bundles online for $400+ these days it's insane.

[@Luaporleafcutterant]

I can barely tell apart hopos from normal notes in rb

[@ndrdd23]

Guitar hero 5 will always be my favorite man wish I could go back in time and finish finishing both Beatles rock band and all the other guitar hero’s I bought regret it now one of the top 10 games you’ll have a hard time playing with out accessories

[@thembill8246]

Jesus, I do not miss guitar hero 3's ridiculous overcharting

[@darksquall498]

guitar hero has the more fun chart but it's because you play more notes that aren't guitar relevant. Still no complaints about finally having more than 1 song from muse on rock band after what...14 years?

[@webduelist]

Add rock smith at the bottom with the actual tabs

[@jessewisner1095]

I'm not a fan of Muse in ANY sense. But this is song is pretty fun on guitar