Guitarist Reacts to the Osmose! - Can a Synth Sound Like a Guitar?

[@Bassryche]

if you want a lead guitar tone on the Expressive E, plug the output into a Kemper or Quad Cortex and see what you come up with. This is Jake's challenge next video.

[@eebangpromotions]

YESSS!

[@TheContrarianDr]

Noooooo! @@eebangpromotions

[@NuwandaSM]

For a first gen product this seems extremely clean, hope it really sticks around

[@dennisristow2102]

This is exactly where the Osmose and the Roli/Lumi keys excel. So many demos show the Osmose just generically playing synth sounds and pitching or vibrato or opening a filter for the sake of showing the performance possibilities. The first 5 minuts and you can see the kinds of bends this machine can do that are musically expressive. I saw another video of an example of benidng an individual note of an electric piano. Sure you can do that, but then it no longer sounds like an EP. Pianos don't pitch bend at all and neither do organs. It's not that you can't (or shouldn't) pitch bend keyboard sounds ever, but if you want to play piano (or any keyboard) sounds and sound like you're playing a piano, then you wouldn't likely use the Osmose. The Osmose allows you to do things that without bend/mod wheels/expression pedals would be damn near impossible. I wish more reviewers would show off this kind of thing.

[@ChrisDN]

Lee's totally right about waiting to see people who learned on something like this. Think about it on guitar, just getting to a chord you can slightly hold down the strings too hard, or have tiny microtonal bends... and we slowly learn to control much of that simply by spending hours of practice. I look forward to seeing the next instrument inspired by both this and the ROLI Seaboard.

[@beathermit3876]

Bloody nice jam & chill with The Captain & Jack Make it a regular thing .. vibes be dripping

[@BRIDKIE]

Never thought i'd hear the words The Captain and "vibes" in the same sentence...

[@JayTheLane]

Please don't make it a regular occurance.. The Captain already has his stamp all over the Guitar channel. Like him but he tends to dominate a bit.

[@AndyJones-be6xz]

Can see Jack's been playing this to the degree that he's getting more accomplished at it. I have an early bird pre-order which I'm expecting to arrive in June. From the many videos I've been watching while waiting for it, it strikes me that a superior way to achieve semitone bending would be via the pressure-weighted portamento feature, rather than bending the key to the right. This also means there's zero chance of bending the pitch down below 'zero', as per the guitar. In places Jack's (and almost every other player I've watched) 'passing through zero' makes it immediately obvious that it's not a string he's bending, since on a string you can only bend the pitch upwards when playing vibrato.

[@XiXora]

The jam at the end was awesome.

[@adamvs1]

The Italian dude is Marco Parisi and if you haven't seen his cover of Purple Rain in a demo booth at NAMM on the Roli KZbin channel, you've missed a treat!

[@PMoisey]

Brings a level of expression and feeling that I have always felt to be lacking in keyboard instruments

[@goingmodular]

Great conversation, both in words and in music. Thank you guys. Two little bits of information: * The Italian keyboard player you mention, as far as I can recognise him, seems to be Marco Parisi, who does many demonstrations for Roli. You may have seen his mind-boggling live cover of Purple Rain using only the Seaboard and a looper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJe0k6emZ6eaj5Y * About Roli again, they do have big news at this very moment: they have opened the pre-orders for the Seaboard 2, an advanced version of the keyboard you discussed. You may want to tag them here, this is the "other" new expressive technology of the moment.

[@richardemerson8075]

You're not wrong! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJe0k6emZ6eaj5Y -- wow

[@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495]

Well, nothing is going to beat the (keyboard/ sample) products used and skill seen in the flashback clip at 5:58 of this video, let alone the Purple Rain one, so Cap 'n Jack's review is a bit of an own goal to be blunt i.e. I'm now hankering after a Roli and not an Osmose. Why didn't they use delay/ reverb, and why does it sound like a sitar?

[@GizzyDillespee]

The Osmose sound engine can be a bit dry... music matters made an Osmose demo using 2 sounds from Roli's Equator software. Sounds good and works great. Tim Shoebridge has a demo using Osmose as an mpe MIDI controller, too.

[@paulweyer4339]

The answer to the title lies in Digital Love by Daft Punk. I have no idea if it's a guitar solo or a synth or a sampled guitynth. I just know that I love it even more every time I hear it. So cool to see new ways/formats musicians can express themselves

[@david_davinci]

OOOOHHH!! Just noticed you hit 100K!!! Congrats! Love seeing the mingling of channels...great energy

[@wrightackle1]

Just recently discovered this keyboard side of Andertons. Jack and his cohorts over there are a joy to watch. Kind of cool to see the cap stretching his legs here. That outro jam was neat.

[@CatGPT_]

we need more of these collabs bois

[@Gerald_Daniel]

Despite the sparse tones, it soon went clear that the guitarist is very good but Jack (aproximately the Osmose) should've been sent through the same FX unit;...so sure the difference would've resulted way smaller.

[@browe]

Jack, for more predictable bending I'd be curious to see you combine the "pressure glide" gesture + side-to-side key vibrato. That way, playing legato, you can use the pressure to govern how quickly you glide between two notes and also add the wiggle for effect. I believe you can set the range for pressure glide so your left hand chord wouldn't be impacted?

[@ladygaia5963]

This. I think their original name for the feature "pressure weighted portamento" was even clearer, if more of a mouthful. Using pressure glide set to a whole tone range you can do precise bending from one note to an adjacent scale note by pressing one and then slowly applying pressure to the adjacent note while releasing the original note. You'll nail it every time. Combine that with lateral bends for something less precise and you can work wonders.

[@tikolasola]

This is how I play leads on my Osmose... got a couple of videos on my channel if you're interested in hearing how that sounds :)

[@uhoh007]

Best Osmose Vid yet :) FC3A pedal might help

[@Xenious]

This makes me smile on a Sunday! Can we d/l that quad cortex patch 4d Captain? some amazing playing and tones there!

[@nested_King]

Yes it can. Jan Hammer Group-Oh Yeah!-Bambu Forest. About 1976 or so...

[@mick3950]

Great sounds from both of you ,

[@poldidak]

Whatever synth engine people might use to emulate guitar, the algorithm needs to allow sustained portion of notes to change timbre realistically, especially on bends and vibrato. On guitar and other vibrating stringed instruments the overtone structure doesn’t simply shift en masse up and down. The realignment of overtones and their changing amplitude as the string is stretched and relaxed creates timbral changes that most synths don’t do without deeper programming.

[@richc848]

It would be interesting to know whether this is possible on the Eagan Matrix sound engine. It allows for lots of complex modulations so it might be possible to program patches that do this.

[@davidconnors4908]

I found myself smiling while you to were jamming aty the end. Nice work lads.

[@williamampofo211]

Incredible instrument

[@denverm4x]

more of these bruvs!

[@ac27934]

4:00 Jack's laugh imitates the guitar overtones 😂

[@caleb4772]

I'm hoping they come out with a 72 or 88 key version. Would easily be my go-to.

[@TomWebbFilms]

Leathal Weapon 5 soundtrack coming along nicely!

[@MuadDib74]

As a guitarist I have keyboard envy in that notes and chords are entirely consistent shapes everywhere

[@WhatsUpWhitey]

Won’t replace a guitar. But it does sound cool. Lee’s licks and tones were sweet. Interested in what he he was running.

[@marcinp3343]

You two, please record a half an hour smooth jam like this and just send the link to where I can buy the track. So neat!!

[@Spidouz]

I would love to see the Osmose in a MPE controller mode, to control some VST synth, or some orchestral sample libraries to see how we can integrate the MPE controls of Osmose with all different sample libraries parameters, how easy it is to map and assign controls and then how it would sound with synthesis that are NOT part of the Osmose. There’s pretty much no video on youtube about that (that I’m aware of).

[@Hendeesh]

ARP pro soloist was one of the first synths to allow sound manipulation in this way. Very expressive when done right. Each of these patches with their associated sounds and settings effectively becomes a new instrument. Anything with complicated aftertouch modulation +/ breath control is along these lines. It's all about how you play/ interact with the patch. Lovely stuff 👍

[@Elyoslayer]

That is the wildest keyboard/synthesizer concept I've ever seen. Imagine eventually getting to play properly sideways with different amounts of pressure and attack. Just the sonic differentiation.

[@samiam5557]

The Captain & Jack! Yeah. 👍

[@a_nick_t]

I fooled many guitar players with recordings of me playing a Casio CZ-101 through an 80’s Rat pedal and Deluxe Memory Man so…. 😂😂😂

[@anijon]

Thank you for doing this.

[@djjuno106]

Best way too get realistic guitar tones using osmose is too use either external pedals or I use guitar rig/amplitude...it's also amazing when you put osmose into controller mode and use it too control kontakt mint guitar..that's very realistic

[@tredogzs]

I NEED this!

[@DicoT951]

Jack! The gospel version is amazing ❤

[@rolandwyss]

wonderful. guitar envy - I know it! 🙂 I programmed my Roland V-Synth with Pitch Bend +3 and -12 semitones, so you can bend halftones or wholetones upwards and drop the pitch like a whammy bar. And with the Roland bender you can also control vibrato at the same time. Takes a lot of practice but worth it!

[@Soulmachine72]

Interesting standoff 🙂 between guitar and keys. If you put some overdrive and delay you'll probably get a pretty cool and even more expensive sound... Or just plug it right into a guitar amp right away.

[@camphabenero]

Such a great video , I don’t know what I want to go practice my guitar or a keyboard now 😂

[@ewoutvm1]

I'm loving this incredible keyboard-synth a lot. So much that I only play on this some time now. So that brings me to the issue: Why isn't there a 88 key version of it? I always miss the extra notes. The other option would be: buy another one. But expensive. So perhaps they (if there would not be a 88 key version) they could bring this thing out as a keyboard-only instrument as well. To expand the full-version Osmose with extra keys, or to master any other mpe capable synth or DAW. That would be my suggestion. Well, apart from the 88 key monster.

[@JosEvan888]

That synth sounds incredible but as a guitarist I have to ask, what is the guitar Captain’s playing and what’s it going through.? It sounds amazing. That’s one of the best jams I’ve heard, beautiful playing from both guys!

[@jclarke99]

The guitar looks like a Schechter Nick Johnston and he's playing through a Quad Cortex (the metal thing next to the synth, they cut to it at one point and show he's using a "Brit" amp sound so it's styled like a Marshall ig)

[@JosEvan888]

@@jclarke99 thanks for that James appreciate it 👍🏼

[@The.Foolosopher]

Funny you brought up the Roli. Keep thinking I'd like to see the Osmos vs the Roli.

[@Thoracius]

can you start a note in a bend (like you can on a guitar) and release the bend? or start a chord flat and release it the bend to in-tune (like you can with a Bigsby)?

[@ericdecoux7481]

Hi, great sound wich osmose preset is it ?

[@The.Foolosopher]

Also wondering how the effects on this compare to the poly after touch on the Montage M8X?

[@glenproctor1999]

Wasn't what you set out to do but what you showed, I think, was that it's its own thing. People will be coming up with all sorts of techniques to make the most of it. One thing that occurs to me, does it work through a Whammy pedal?

[@adityapadode]

the part (@12:03 ) where Jack is trying to do a semitone bend on the full tone bend sounds exactly like the Miku pedal having seizures in the Best Video of All Time.

[@AvACyberSecurity]

No. The answer is no. Great video guys!

[@Starchild670]

I want one of those.

[@OswaldoVonSchnoobenstein]

Not sure if this has been said, but a Montage is crazy for Guitar sound.

[@DurararaX2]

Jan Hammer did the 'synth sounds like a guitar' thing a while ago. Like, for sure, Reagan was President. Sunglasses only had one lens. And the Coca was muy bueno!

[@picturesofaneighbourhood5950]

Next vid should be getting one of the guitar people to build an amp and pedal rig for you to play this through. Might get you closer to the sound!

[@markkilley2683]

All sounds good to me.

[@lokologico]

This makes me cant wait for my preorder...come on clock :)

[@chambre466]

magic

[@Czyszy]

EXPRESSIVE ╡

[@RedgroundProductions]

Great!! What is the preset that is used?

[@dkpianist]

A pedal mapping would be good that switches between semi and whole tone bend. Easy to program in Logic. Not sure if that translates to MPE though.

[@chrisharrison809]

Yah, just need to plug the keyboard into some epic reverb

[@thelivingdodo]

I think the Seaboard was slightly more realistic in that regard.

[@Fallingoverbackwards]

Agree but that is just the sound engine. Could use a different sound engine through the midi maybe

[@TheAlfahDj]

just play it trough a kemper and eq it, some delay and reverb, and there you go. Now do the solo of digital love and be famous for doing a keyboard solo that seems a guitar solo, in a keyboard that can be played and sound as a guitar. Combo wombo.

[@codykastler4709]

It needs a scale mode for the pitch bend. Some notes bend in half steps, some in whole steps.

[@neutron7]

I had an Idea to ask expressive e if you could enter a scale in the settings, and it would set the bend limit to reach the next note in the scale from the one you are playing.

[@joeanderson8839]

You have to use both the slider and the touch sensitivity of the keyboard.

[@lrblouie]

Sounds like bowing on a cello. Even the quick hits sound like pizzicato.

[@lazk]

I wonder what it's like to play with the SWAM engine on this.

[@AI3JeWelz]

This thing is just crazy

[@JayTheLane]

Love the Captain but praying he doesn't take over the Keys channel 🤣

[@philipgilligan_art]

Rock n roll bebeeee

[@gooneybird808]

I’m French too

[@SOBHAN-qv7uf]

Does it connect to the phone(KORG ANDROID)?

[@chosenwarfare3811]

HEY DO A SOUNDS LIKE ERIC JOHNSON PLEASE I CANT FIND ANYBODY THAT WILL SHOW THIS ON UTUBE. He is soooo awesome

[@chosenwarfare3811]

What do u need to purchase to sound like eric Johnson besides cutting my hands off and glueing his on lol

[@DespairQuietlyPlease]

Jeff Beck has resurrected and taken the form of a keyboard.

[@infinityfight4394]

❤️

[@mikelbell5419]

In my opinion, the Roli Seaboard is MUCH better at this, both in the controllability and the guitar sound. Edited to add: I made this comment before they started talking about the Seaboard.

[@stuartdennis8506]

Everyone is rightly loving the synth but…what strat is Lee playing? It looks and sounds lovely

[@Aijse]

It's reading schecter on the headstock. Could be a Nick Johnston sign.

[@eddieframpton]

Haven’t got the lights on here - is that jeff beck and jan hammer?

[@dankeplace]

Is the Osmose really a jelly board though?

[@isitreallyisitreally1756]

Synths have been doing an amazing job at sounding like nylon / acoustic guitars for ages ... but electric is not really there , nice keyboard though 👍

[@psalms6539]

why is it that no one play an actual guitar patch. or even a vst guitar patch....

[@GoodAfternoonDave]

can a saxophone sound like a kikdrum, maybe but it begs the question... why?

[@dwinksramesh2162]

Were you nervous doing a video with your employer? I tend to become self conscious whenever I've worked with my boss 😁

[@SirJayo]

we're up all night to get lucky

[@lukebussey5218]

oh god

[@CallousCoder]

Uhm my mother lived in Belgium, does that make me a little Belgian??? I hope not because is Dutch can’t deal with that 😂 To make matters worse my dad was born in Belgium 😂

[@tawfeeqm]

guitar tone dwarfs the osmose

[@ChrisP3000x]

EE can't even do breadnbutter guitar sounds. Come on.

[@TheContrarianDr]

Can a synth sound like a guitar? The answer is nuanced. Here it is . . .No.

[@odalv7278]

The vibrato on the keyboard is just awkward.

[@pshealy69]

Jan Hammer has entered the chat

[@doodaddy1454]

Hi Jack. I feel like you are forming a habit to 'overplay' the vibrato. It sounds like you get faster and firmer each time. Try to relax and just enjoy a subtle, even looser one. Of course, you are trying to control a keyboard with a very sensitive pitch bend AND a sound that is more of a sitar or something than a guitar. So I get it ain't easy!

[@ParanormalResponse]

It sounds like a synth trying to be a guitar to me.

[@serzest2932]

Good.But Roli is much better

[@dcampagna1772]

1) the Yamaha CS-80 had this ability in 1977. You can hear it all over Vangelis’ Blade Runner soundtrack. 2) what a horrible guitar patch. It makes a beautiful synth sound like a yard sale Casio. Maybe take a few minutes to tweak it, or run the synth through a distortion pedal to give it some life before putting it up against a real guitar.

[@wavesequencer]

The cs80 has poly aftertouch but not polyphonic/per note pitch bending. Also this keyboard has note detection/triggering from the very slightest initial touch pressure - so it’s really quite different. Agreed the patch choice was not good - it’s not even a guitar patch - more like a variable attack zither with some kind of auto strum depending on the note attack/pressure. The synth engine is no doubt capable to do a good electric guitar emulation (maybe there’s a better patch out there) - but you can’t do any deep editing directly on the osmose - has to be done in separate software.

[@commodoor6549]

I don't think so. Not this time. We made this one up. It never happened. It's an urban myth.

[@epolder]

Yeah. The guitar is not able to copy the Osmose 😂👑

[@georgesfritsch964]

I like the concept but the sound is totally ridiculous.