Gulfstream G5, Steep approach and landing, Aspen (KASE).

Landing at one of the worlds most dangerous and difficult airports in a VIP Gulfstream 5 (G5). High mountains and surrounding terrain make a missed approach almost impossible and the steep descent profile into the airport is on the limit of what is capable in the G5. Makes for some interesting and challenging flying, I hope it makes good watching!
For those interested: Final descent is at 12200ft on a 6.49 degree descent angle down to the airport elevation of 7838ft with Gear and full flaps and VREF+10 at top of descent allowing a MLW of 75000Lbs. The approach is 15 offset from the runway centreline.
It is important to mention that nothing in aviation is dangerous if all rules and limitations are adhered to, it is merely a perception of danger. All commercial aviation operations are performed to the highest safety standards at all times to eliminate any risk factors.
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[@BlueLineSpeed]

6.59 degrees in a heavy glider :-) Full flaps, Gear down and VREF at top of descent and we still got a GPWS warning on the base to final turn. Thanks for watching

[@simonacuthbert1]

It must be the greatest feeling in the world to be sat in control of that magnificent machine. Thanks for creating the video and grateful you've shared your skills.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Simon Cuthbert; Thank you for taking the time to comment. I’m sorry I can’t make more regular videos for you all to enjoy, but filming can be a bit of a contentious issue with some companies. I’m very happy you enjoyed the video.

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Very nice - thanks for uploading. Happy Landings, Guido

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thanks Guido, I have enjoyed many of your videos too. Keep up the good work and fly safe!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

***** My pleasure - more videos are in the works. I am missing my days as a GLF2 pilot... Happy Landings, Guido

[@babysophia7184]

Guido Warnecke wow! so cool!

[@GuidoWarnecke]

Thank you, Mengzhen! Happy Landings, Guido

[@lj25driver97]

Looked pretty damn good to me. I've shot this approach many times but it's been a while. I believe you come in over Red Table at around 13700 feet and have something like 11 miles to descend 5500 feet. Might not be that big of a deal in a piston twin or single but in a high performance jet, it can be a challenge. Use to do this approach in a Falcon 50 which has great short field performance, not sure the GV compares but it is fun to shoot.

[@cherifbar]

Excellent flight management and a fantastic video!

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thank you for your kind comment and I am glad you enjoyed the video!

[@javacup912]

Very nice video. Looks like the clouds were around 16000 ft or so, so makes it even better with the excellent visibility. Thanks for sharing.

[@ericgulseth74]

Found this video to get an idea of the approach after reading about the 2001 Avjet GSIII crash.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Eric Gulseth, thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment.

[@Robochop-vz3qm]

Beautiful, when I rode a motorcycle into Aspen on that highway the weather was similar. Wasn't hungry though when I arrived as I swallowed a couple of june bugs on the way in.

[@Sweetteawillie]

That was a superb touch and flare! Hard to tell when the main and nose gears make contact. It's so smooth.

[@nvdwarriorLtc]

Great approach and landing. Only better if you were in my helicopter....but then again that darn icing issue..G5, a beautiful aircraft worthy of helicopter accolades!

[@decemberdazzle]

Dude, awesome landing!! (and approach....and video!)

[@jjsifo1]

Excellent video of this very tricky,demanding approach.

[@paulr4074]

Wow, beautifully done. You make that approach look easy.

[@peterkrasnoff]

I know enough to say these guys were pretty good!

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Appreciate the comment. Thanks for watching.

[@petefabiano]

Beautiful landing! Smooth touchdown!

[@epopchock]

I can imagine how scary this was. But all in all, I think it's thrilling. BTW, nice video.

[@MrBro-fb7iy]

Thanks blue line for all your videos, they're all great! Question, can you give me a quick overview or how you got to your position on the 500? Like the different stages and the hours you built.(coming from a student pilot working his way up)

[@timarb5177]

My gal n I road tripped up there through Moab from AZ and saw all the Gulfs parked there n knew this town wasn't for us. Camped near the continental divide, did laundry n showers in Leadville.

[@walterbank2728]

This never gets old!!!!!

[@kotonizna]

added to my favorites. awesome video!

[@iancrossley6637]

Nice without all the chit chat. Nice quiet destination too.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Ian Crossley. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!

[@bermudaguy1]

Nice video. I wish I could see the control panel as well!

[@richardiredale3128]

Thanks for the video, but "...missed approach almost impossible...". Wait, there's a misded approach procedure published but it's almost impossible? What does that mean?

[@michae8jackson378]

Richard Iredale not impossible but you have to have your A game.....

[@Hidezepickle]

Nice video, my instructor flew into KASE ones with a Cessna Mustang, I hope I get to do the same someday.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

I hope you get to experience it one day, it is definitely a memorable experience. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@cameredith0]

awesome video loved watching it

[@unapro3]

Lot's of hungry looking hills on the starboard side on final, must be a nervous approach in IMC.

[@stewiepid4385]

Butter landing!

[@josesosa91]

Congratulations Captain thanks for sharing.

[@applejacks971]

Anyone see the vid of this approach in the winter? That's the only landing vid that made me a bit nervous. Then again, I don't care for crossing I-70 in the winter while trucking any more either.

[@babysophia7184]

simply beautiful

[@stachowi]

Great vid! Thanks for sharing.

[@dfx961]

not to be "that" guy or anything but i appreciate the last paragraph in your description for people not familiar with the world of aviation, however, risk factors are never eliminated, only minimized and managed, if there were no risk factors there would never be any incidents/accidents

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thanks for your comment, I completely agree. Safety in a measure or risk and can only be improved by managing as many factors as possible. I have intact edited my post slightly to indicate this. That last paragraph was more to reassure the nervous and unfamiliar (as you mentioned) viewers that to make a statement about the safety of flight. But I accept the way I wrote about safety was too "clear cut". Thanks for watching and your opinion!

[@theSoz]

What an awesome video, thank you for sharing!

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thank you for watching, Glad you enjoyed it!

[@SuperMagnetizer]

Beautiful landing!

[@coriscotupi]

Nice! ...Did float somewhat past the 1000' mark, but nice nonethless.

[@Cooper-co4ze]

Notice how the cockpit doesn’t rattle like it does in a commercial jet? A Rolls Royce vs. a Chevy........

[@MsManswers]

nailed it! nice job capt

[@skbenergy]

awesome stuff i sub, greetings from the Caribbean !!!!

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Hi John, unfortunately I am based in Europe with the Gulfstream otherwise I'd be glad to help. I hope you find someone local to you. Let me know if there's anything else I could help with.

[@mesquiteguy121]

very nice video. thank you for sharing.

[@jimjohnson9237]

I miss this so much. Retired

[@BlueLineSpeed]

@@jimjohnson9237 I’m glad my videos can get you back in the cockpit. Thanks for watching.

[@mahmoud729]

breathtaking approache what camera type did you use ????

[@nalimikari6936]

Nice landing 👍

[@FoxHotelLima]

Awesome video

[@israelcruzlopez3955]

totalmente deacuerdo

[@braxtron]

Now that was a sexy landing.

[@ilya.kortev]

This is the new version of ms flight simulator XI ?, very beautiful graphics! ;-)

[@BlueLineSpeed]

If it was, I would be the first to purchase it ;-)

[@timwitt94]

i wish :/

[@StealthElectronVIP]

Yes Flight Simulator 2020

[@gravityalwayswins1434]

greased it in. Good job!

[@richardharris2494]

Nice!

[@berndl]

Approach does not look as steep as it is (6 degrees?).

[@firepilot]

Awesome video! More please =)

[@dcrump]

thank you

[@richardbonilla2328]

..beautiful....

[@Sokeresa]

Compared to lukla and maybe bhutan, courchevel, this is like landing in the flatest ,ost spacious biggest and longest airport lol, Not bad though, amazing landing neverthelss

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thanks for the comment. It depends on what your flying. PC-12 or Shorts 360 I’d probably agree with you. Medium category jet will have problems following a balked landing. Then again there’d be bigger problems at Courchevel....

[@adisakkuphanlam2404]

i didn't find the approach steep...but a nice smooth kiss landing down the cl

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Adisak Kuphanlam Thanks for watching. I appreciate it doesn't look steep in the video but for the G5/G550 with full flap, gear down and VREF at top of descent we are unable to descend on the VOR APP profile without our speed increasing. So for the Gulfstream its fairly steep. I guess it was professional luck with the landing ;-) Thanks for commenting!

[@propnose]

+BlueLineSpeed Considering it's more than double the normal descent path of 3.00 degrees, it is definitely a steep approach. I fly a Citation XLS, and filmed our landing there once; unfortunately, the video seems to flatten out the approach and doesn't give the viewer the same perspective we have sitting in the cockpit. Nice approach and video, thanks for sharing!

[@jamesadams3458]

I Wouldn't Call That Steep , I Guess They Never Heard of a Sideslip. YES You Can Slidslip A Gulfstream !!

[@Incognito-vc9wj]

I flew this in aerofly VR, holy crap that’s a steep decent to the airport from that ridge! It doesn’t really come across in the KZbin video.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Incognito12000; absolutely right! The video certainly doesn’t do the approach justice. In the G550 its best to be flown fully configured to avoid excessive acceleration during the descent. Thank for watching!

[@kristoffaninkama1393]

Always assume that the epicenter of every cloud is a mountain - even if you know the terrain well, you can never be so sure.

[@deadmausish]

Like the pilot on encountering a mountain goat in a cloud.."what are you doing up he....."

[@deadmausish]

Nice to watch. I did not look very steep to me..pretty much text book.

[@johnperkins6803]

Hey guys, any pilots here in aspen I could use some help. I'm just getting into aviation, and was hoping to find someone to let me go through pre flight and checklists with them if at all possible. Any help in this thread is also very much appreciated and noted thanks for your time john.

[@Nfarce]

Wow this was great. Question: how far out were you when the gear was dropped?

[@javacup912]

Not sure on these guys, but the gear is normally dropped before you begin your descent out of 13000 before crossing DBL. You need all drag you can, and be near VREF all the time, though it's not unusual to pick up 10+ knots if you have to dive a little. I think the largest airplane that can get in here is a 737. I hope they can reply and give you the real scoop.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Hi Nfarce, thanks for the comment. Its exactly as javacup912 mentioned. Due to the great aerodynamics on the Gulfstream it is very difficult to make a steep descent. We are technically unable to follow the full instrument approach for this reason but we are permitted to make a visual descent following the instrument profile. To achieve this we must be established at top of descent (13,000ft) with full flap and gear down. this is necessary as you cannot use speed brakes and gear together on the Gulfstream. It is normal to pick up 10-15Kts in the descent but the speed will reduce once you are established on Final. Thank you for watching and commenting. BlueLineSpeed.

[@reddidit2675]

I am not a pilot, so please forgive my questions:1. Why can't you use both speed brakes and gear together on the G5/550? Hydraulic capacity limitation, airframe stress limit or ??? Is this only when in the air - on final, for example, but after touchdown, then can you use speed brakes too?2. I noticed no snow and few planes parked, so not winter, right? Temps can range from single digits in winter to 80's in summer. So, I wonder if your approach would be impossible on an extra warm day (low 90's) and a little easier in single-digit temps owing to Density Altitude considerations?

[@mach037]

I didn't see anything steep about that approach. Beautiful VFR day.

[@mach037]

I made that comment without having G5 experience; forgive me.

[@mller1188]

What camera are you using?

[@BlueLineSpeed]

A GoPro Black, but saying that I am NoPro at using it so it could be better quality!

[@danielhawley6817]

Watching this approach in CAVU conditions, as a Com't SEL Inst I now understand how the infamous Gulfstream into the hill at the end of the runway fatal accident in 2001 probably happened. Night conditions, extremely low vis..rush to get in to beat curfew and get people to their dinner on time...they followed the highway to what they probably thought was at the end of the runway. The hill had other ideas. www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAB0203.pdf

[@bingobango170]

Next time try extending your flaps a little bit. You will be able to fly the jet at a lower speed and won’t have to hammer it down onto the runway so violently. Other than the landing it’s a good video 👌

[@mrs.moreno8520]

😂

[@UTR1]

This is wholesome

[@soulglo5643]

Marshaller had his heart in it huh...

[@nimbuskhannk627]

Final descent is not a 6.49 descent angle at KASE 15. It is at 6.59 PERCENT GRADIENT, which correlates to a little over than a 3.5º descent angle. Also, only corporate, out-of-the-consultants-can flight safety training can inculcate the notion in a pilot that "nothing in aviation is dangerous if all rules and limitations are adhered to". Aviation is basically an unsafe operational endeavor (after all, things heavier than air usually DO fall), one that is pushed and contained into a safe envelope by understanding of Physic's laws, proper design and manufacture, regulations, established procedures, intense training and superior Human Factors performance. Departures from this safety-containment envelope CAN happen even if "rules and limitations" are adhered to. The difference between the two concepts is the difference between a pilot able to talk about Flight Safety and one that actually understands what it is.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

I would invite you to check the Jeppesen LOC DME-E chart indicating a 6.59 degree descent angle after DOYPE to the runway threshold (not the MAP). There is also a 3.5 degree VGSI for the final approach. Also if you do the calculation DOYPE at 11700' - 7837' runway threshold gives 3863 ft and 5.7 NM = 34656 ft (approx) so 3863/34656 = 0.1114 then Tan-1 of 0.114 = 6.36 (approximately when referring to the approach) and that is an angle and not a percent. Additionally, I would caution anyone away from suggesting flying is not a safe endeavour. There are risks in driving your car but you would consider it a safe activity within reason. Safety is a measure of risk, the more you manage the risk the safer an activity is but nothing is completely safe. I both promote and practice safe flying by managing the risks that are within my control that is all. Everything outside of my control can only be dealt with by judgement and experience like in other activities aside from flying. Agreed, the concept of flight and the basic physics behind heavier than air objects flying is fundamentally risky, but as you pointed out, we have ways of managing that risk trough design, regulation, procedures etc.. I would hope there are few pilots that would talk about flight safety without actually knowing what it is or practicing it themselves, but unfortunately that is not the truth as we very well know and witness.

[@nimbuskhannk627]

***** Regarding the gradient vs. final approach angle, I stand corrected. The final approach path from the MAP to the TCH of 55' is, indeed, 6.59º (pretty steep, I might add). As for my assertion of what Flight Safety actually is, I insist that, far from aviation not being dangerous if all rules and limitations are adhered to, it actually remains so even with everything understood a complied with to the letter, because it is an NATURAL unsafe endeavor that is CONTAINED into a safe one. No matter the level of containment the risk (while tending to) will never reach "0". Failing to understand this is opening the door to either a "god's complex" or sheer complacency.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

I honestly think we are preaching the same topic from different angles. I would not see the need to promote flight safety and highlight the steps necessary to ensure it if the fundamental act of flight was not dangerous in itself. Ask me if i think Hang living or paragliding is a safe endeavour..!? Obviously you need to have huge respect and understanding of the risks involved in flying, but its with this understanding you can begin to adequately manage those risks.. and thus, by managing risk increase safety. My initial argument was trying suppress machoism image of 'some' pilots (referring to the "dangerous" comment in the video title) that try to portray to others that by doing their job well and to the highest standards possible to promote safety they are somehow "snake charming" and performing death defying feats with only themselves to thank for it and not a complete underlying industry safety culture. Of course the risk can never be zero but I think its a good target to aim for... I'm enjoying our debate though, it's certainly refreshing!

[@jaredk817]

man it didn't feel that steep when I flew in there in a 172sp : )

[@ja2wad]

little bit low!!! but well done

[@BlueLineSpeed]

ja2wad, which part do you believe to be too low?

[@ja2wad]

BlueLineSpeed frame time line 5:40 to 5:47

[@BlueLineSpeed]

ja2wad, Unfortunately it was too long ago to remember and I can't see the PAPIs on the video, but according to my colleague you're right, I didn't notice that. Fortunately we were stable by 500ft AGL or we wouldn't have continued the landing, though that's easier said than done in a aspen. Thanks for the critique and for watching.

[@Meganstoy]

Now watch a CRJ-700 do it in a snow storm! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGTMkICnpr6GoMk

[@elviscash56]

Why is the audio on all these Gulfstream cockpit videos so damn fucking terrible? Can't hear a damn thing.

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Because unfortunately for you, that is the sound in the cockpit. I am not producing a cinematic surround sound experience I am purely putting a camera in the window for you to experience the views. I don't have the equipment, time or patience to connect the camera to the comms system for ATC sound, I apologise.

[@bob15479]

butter

[@BlueLineSpeed]

Thanks for watching.