These Creationists FAILED to solve the Heat Problem again

[@ethannelson8592]

“Ugh, come on Erika. I was having a good day, I don’t want to see Donny’s face” *Absolute annihilation ensues* “This is good”

[@pastel.persephone]

Donny's face does seem to have a sort of pinched quality to it, no?

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

​@@pastel.persephone what a kind way of saying he looks like a weasel! Oh, oops, I was supposed to keep that in my head, yeah...? Well, whatever, I'll take the heat. Hey Donnie, you look like a weasel!

[@EdwardHowton]

@@pastel.persephoneWe wish. Wait, you wrote pinched. Never mind.

[@dunklerKurfurstDesDeepstat]

I had a particularly frustrating chat with him, so this feels like a cathartic release for me.

[@amandaa6647]

I mentioned the heat problem to my creationist sister the last time she tried to convince me. It subsumed the conversation like the molten granitic crust of the earth.

[@rpgcaptain]

There's your global flood: earthquake in the Indian ocean, resulting tsunami hits the middle east early enough and every culture after carries the story with them. Then I remember I live in the bible belt, damnit.

[@StarlightedWanderer]

@@rpgcaptain Burkle Crater? Interesting location and approximate time for a Persian Gulf mega-tsunami. The rivers of Eden in Genesis 2 have their confluence right in that area (much to Ken Ham's chagrin because it belies his global total repaving theory), so imagine a nascent civilization there gets tsunami-ed and the story gets handed down... Just speculating out loud.

[@leekestner1554]

0/I @@rpgcaptain Hey so do I and I have thought the same thing ever since I read the stories from Sumer. I think it needs to be a volcano that smoked for a while before blowing. This would give enough time for a reed boat to be built like the one that Irving Finkle was the consultant for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finkel%27s_replica_of_Babylonian_ark

[@chameleonx9253]

Presuppositionalism is the single most intellectually dishonest position it is possible to take; "My position is true, therefore anything that proves my position is wrong must be false."

[@morganbenthem9600]

Having been raised on it, teaching kids to be presuppers is functionally just training them to gaslight themselves. It's despicable.

[@chameleonx9253]

@@morganbenthem9600 Yeah, pretty much tantamount to psychological child abuse. Training a child to hold a belief so sacred (literally) that they doubt their own mind and senses rather than dare question the belief.

[@michjefferson77]

Its become a coping mechanism for creationists

[@torreysauter8954]

I consider them the philosophical equivalent of flat earthers.

[@HatstandTuesday]

It's worse than that, "There is no possible way to logically reach my position, so I'm just going to have to assume that it is true from the start."

[@danielhamid5569]

This is why Forrest Valkai and Aron Ra love this content provider. Forget the entertainment value, she is so smart that her THROW AWAY comments have more intrinsic scientific value than all of SFT and AIG including Hovind combined. This is the equivalent of watching a Nobel laureate mark the homework of kindergarteners

[@Vo_Siri]

"Donald Deals" sounds like a fucking Captain Planet villain.

[@johngleeman8347]

If the show was made today I can see it.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Feels more like the evil guy in a Best Buy or Walmart themed comic... the nemesis of Captain Bargain!

[@kcirderf1]

The legally distinct from Donald Trump Captain Planet villain.

[@nikkielizabeth7026]

"She just doesn't agree with this part of creation." "You just gestured to all of me." -How to Train Your Gibbon

[@HystericalSej]

😹

[@Pablo360able]

How To Train Your Gibbon sounds like the title of an ill-advised Exotic Animal In Human Situations movie that a producer would insist on shooting with a real gibbon and immediately come to regret

[@nebulan]

The real problem was the heat we made along the way.

[@gornser]

This is a gem

[@cogitoergosum9069]

I approve this comment 👍

[@Halfendymion]

Poetic acknowledgement of human-caused climage change

[@jonathankennedy1963]

There are two ways to interpret this: 1. The obvious, global warming / climate change 2. "Packing heat" as in guns. Basically, wars.

[@tma2001]

yeah more heat than light ...

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Erika's meme game is always so on point and she's always so entertaining as well as educational.

[@anondecepticon]

“It’s free, isn’t it?” cracked me up. 😂

[@denim_ak]

For real

[@lederereddy]

She's a real education-hell kida gal, alright. And you're all so happy to follow her straight there.

[@denim_ak]

@@lederereddy if your saying we’re all going to hell… because we don’t believe in creationism… then i ask why you think god loves you when he’s so quick to send non believers to literally burn in hell for all eternity over rules HE MADE UP. He could have made a world where hell was not necessary if he was all powerful but CHOSE not to. And every Christian admits that its impossible to get through life without sinning, so god SET US UP TO FAIL and will choose to burn us alive for ever and ever if we do not swear allegiance to Jesus, who saved us from… wait for it… THE CHOICES HE MADE WHEN HE DETERMINED THE RULES. If all of that is true than gods a narcissist, life is pain, i hope theres no after life but if i have to choose between getting gaslighted by an abusive creator or hell fire, i choose hell.

[@lederereddy]

@@JD-wu5pf Christ is leading the way to eternal life with God, but the world is full of tempting distractions. We all have to weigh the pros and cons and decide for ourselves. I chose Christ. You're choosing a semi-pretty face and settling for her second-rate nonsense over the many blatant facts and evidences that make everything she stands for irrelevant. But if that's good enough for you, so be it.

[@Mr.AndersonCrosses]

Thanks for your take Erika! Just to clarify something, what David admitted to at the end was actually much worse for him and Donny than you suggested. What he said was that his model, which sets out to dissipate the heat associated with CPT, not only cannot dissipate the heat calculated for the main CPT model, but that it can't dissipate the heat generated by ANY CPT model he knows of. Effectively what this means is that his solution solved no known problem of which he is aware.

[@simplybaker.]

" yeah, thanks Sam" is the most brutal comeback, he just does not care what Sam is trying to spew and it's amazing

[@iluvtacos1231]

That was BEAUTIFUL

[@RedPandaSquadron]

"There's this book that I haven't read..." Is the modern equivalent of "This was revealed to me in a dream"

[@thedave1771]

Also “There’s this paper that I haven’t read” and “This episode of Sesame Street I really want to watch”.

[@nemock]

Sam is like one of those guys in a rap group that just yells every fifth word from the lead rapper. No real contribution. He's a walking highlighter.

[@CreationMyths]

"walking highlighter", that's fantastic and I'm stealing it.

[@evangedeon2194]

Annihilated the guy 😂💀

[@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC]

Right but he's the white guy who was just high school friends w the rapper & now he manages his crypto

[@nemock]

@@pRODIGAL_sKEPTIC don't forget the NFTs

[@tball50187]

A hype man for creationism

[@lukezeka6452]

Me: Alright I think I've heard the heat problem debunked enough times, I'm good Also Me: A new nearly hour and a half video on the heat problem? *clicks immediately*

[@michaellail5848]

I feel like you’re criticizing me.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have a problem. I admit nothing!!

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Guilty.

[@azilbean]

Same😂

[@CharlesPayet]

@@michaellail5848I just feel like they called my name, like good friends do, when there’s an absolute train wreck to watch happen in real time.

[@jloiben12]

I mean they can’t solve it because it is unsolvable. Which is why my favorite way to ask the heat problem is “when and how in the past 6,000 years did Russia blow up?” This fun way of asking the heat problem also does a really good job at explaining how nonsensical they are

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Well, it is "solvable" if you just say "miracle" - but they never want to go that route. Probably because they'll instantly be dismissed by anyone giving them any attention for waving away the physics issue by saying it was -magic- a miracle.

[@unlimitedspaghetti6316]

​@SadisticSenpai61 they will be instantly dismissed because that answer still does not solve the problem. There is NO solution whatsoever

[@morganbenthem9600]

😂

[@henriquepacheco7473]

​@unlimitedspaghetti6316 the solution is to just claim God made an earth 6000 years ago that looks like it's 4.5 billion years old and that the fossils were laid there during the creation rather than the flood, but, of course, that leads to a pretty unanswerable "why?" question anyways

[@vforwombat9915]

@@henriquepacheco7473 i have been told the bible says God says he does not lie or deceive us. this bit makes things VERY tricky for folks like flerfers and yeccers.

[@TheinternetArchaeologist]

Excuse me but the giant spaghetti monster solves the heat problem pretty easily it's how the pasta got cooked for our sins

[@rembrandt972ify]

He boiled for you.

[@edwardallan197]

Yes the Pastafarians are way ahead on this. I may join soon.

[@petercoo9177]

R'amen.

[@edwardallan197]

And lest we BLASPHEME... It is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. His noodliness is a giant, but that is not his name.

[@Mehetti]

And god added salt to make it boil faster

[@lindajonesartist]

I was raised as a young earth creationist. Went to Christian schools that taught it.Was indoctrinated in it through books and sermons and lectures. My high school biology teacher from a Christian school used to play documentaries in class, and whenever they would mention millions of years, he'd yell "6000 years" or "because of the flood." But the thing that made me believe in evolution is that I studied neurological development in children and worked with hundreds of children over the years. You can see how humans evolved by watching how children's brains develop because the first parts of the brain to develop are the more primative parts, and the last things to develop are the parts that put us ahead of other apes, especially the development of the prefrontal cortex, which was the last part of the brain to evolve. Evolution in brain development. Two decades of working with children, from gifted children through special needs children and everything in between, and I witnessed evolution over and over again. And I've studied how brain development can be stunted. Interestingly enough, authoritarian parenting and authoritarian educational methods (spare the rod, spoil the child) actually stunts brain development. You can see stunted brain development in how so many Christians behave, and why so many Christians are promoting fascism and draconian treatment of women and LGBTQ+ people, and are intolerant of immigrants, but support guns, showing an incredible lack of a sense of empathy, in direct contrast to what Jesus actually taught (love one another, treat people with kindness, compassion and forgiveness, and God loves everyone which are all empathy based) because their brains have been stunted. Unfortunately, stunted brains are really hard to rewire. Not impossible, but not easy. You can't rewire the brain by arguing. It just doesn't work. You have to put the brain through the paces of evolution to help it get past being stunted, which means crawling, and practicing bipedal balancing, and practice recognition of emotions in faces, and so on, to practice more advanced forms of logic and reasoning and critical thinking skills. There's more to it than that, but you get the picture. But helping children with developmental issues helped my own brain to get past its stunted wiring. I'm now working through re-educating myself by studying evolution, and all the missing parts of my own education growing up, because obviously, neurological development in children is not the only proof of evolution.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Great story, thanks for sharing. Feel like I learned something.

[@soupstoreclothing]

you have such an informed world view and it's so refreshing to see someone who also came from a religious background who educated themselves out of it. do you have any advice on how to get people to question things? i find that it's not just religion, but american and general western propaganda that people refuse to question. the more you learn about history, the more you realize that the wealthy and the people that control business and the "economy" are purposefully manipulating the masses to work against their own best self interest. e.g. the working man voting for republicans who routinely cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and put more burden on the working class. anyway, i've just found that i don't know how to make people intellectual curious about things they have a gut reaction to hate due to propaganda. i mentioned the word socialism in a video game the other day and a guy accused me of wanting to take away his rights. it would be laughable if it wasn't so awful that he believes that wholeheartedly.

[@imwatchingyouiminyourwalls]

Actually most studies distinguish between intrinsic and extrinsic religiosity. Intrinsic religiosity is believing with the end of the religion itself whereas extrinsic religiosity is believing with some external end (cultural, social, or whatever). What you're referring to is generally the effect of extrinsic religiosity. Intrinsic religiosity is very good for mental health generally, and doesn't have that the "lets go kill those dirty gays" behavior you imply they all share. I find your theory regarding corporal punishment interesting, but would like some research demonstrating that effect because I couldn't find anything to that effect. With all of that said, I hope this young earth creationist nonsense finally gets put to rest in Christian circles.

[@Lutefisk445]

a comment for the algorithm, and just because i also like your comment

[@SapphicBibliophile]

Hey, I'm another ex-YEC-kid that grew up and realized that science was *not* what she had been learning her whole life! I'm absolutely fascinated by evolution now - the "forbidden knowledge" aspect is fun too lol. I never thought about that with kids but you're so right, and now I'm going to watch them a totally different way. I wish I could figure out a way to get past people's weird ideologies - the world would be a better place if we could figure that one out.

[@denim_ak]

“Ive gone over the way the heat problem is calculated is virtually every video ive produced here!” Me: can confirm.

[@thedave1771]

Well right. But, how do you calculate the heat?

[@ProfezorSnayp]

If creationists cared about evidence and arguments, they wouldn't be creationists.

[@littleredpony6868]

That is why ex creationists like myself are no longer creationists

[@Mrballerize]

Exactly. The idea of Biblical YEC is so disprovable, it's not even funny. I will say this though. Alot of conservative Christians are unfortunately completely scientifically illiterate. So they really don't have any idea of why their positions are wrong.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

The "experts" wouldn't be. I used to believe these intellectually dishonest or just outright dishonest "experts" too.

[@GenesisTheKitty]

​@@curiousnerdkittehsure, but you cared enough about evidence to accept the truth when it came to you

[@JimHalpert706]

​@@GenesisTheKitty are you saying those creationist "experts" were telling him truths?

[@millie-mayprice891]

your manic glee at the idea of getting to talk about the heat problem is truly glorious. the sheer joy in "yeah thats right, we're suckling from that teat again" was palpable and truly wonderful to see. chefs kiss. 10/10. this is exactly what i subscribed for.

[@timothymulholland7905]

They will never recognize your conclusions. It would destroy their faith and income.

[@ecaillette]

🎉😂 I’m here for the debunking party! Finally, I found a channel where I can indulge in my sick fascination with creationism.

[@pastel.persephone]

It's like picking at a scab! It hurts, but it's too satisfying to stop!

[@kyleepratt]

Oh man @ecaillette, welcome to the goddamned party. The Gutsick Gibbon back catalogue is superb, and there's a whole team of science friends on this tip 😎

[@panqueque445]

Oh my god Mr Anderson really just went in there to take names. Absolutely no mercy.

[@nathanm6050]

I was dying laughing the whole time, he just didn't give a damn about being nice

[@nateswan9527]

Does he have a channel?

[@HarryS77]

He is the One.

[@ecaillette]

Danke!

[@testsubject2496]

Guten tag! Ich bin Student aus Amerika und betreibe ich Deutsch in der Universitäte. Ich muss eine Deutsche Person interviewen für meinen Hausaufgabe. Es könnte auf Zoom oder Googlemeets stattfinden. Mochten Sie mit meiner Hausaufgabe helfen? Alles gute so oder so. Danke schön.

[@Nymaz]

Me, every time creationists say God accomplished something using magic while at the same time leaving tons of evidence it happened naturally: "So basically you're proposing that your God is a liar and a trickster? Interesting take. I wonder how many other things God is lying to us about."

[@midbamarail]

Yahweh's middle name is Loki.

[@anondecepticon]

Well god did tell the first lie, when he told Adam if he ate the fruit he would die. So really, everything he said is suspect.

[@AudreyAzura]

Next thing, you'll argue for a non-christian gnosticism and that the christian/jew god is the demiurge :p

[@philleprechaun6240]

Yep, like maybe he's lying to them about them getting into heaven because they "believed in Jesus". Wouldn't that be a riot to watch. Oh the look on their faces when they line up for their "free pass" to heaven only to have their liar/trickster god say "I was only kidding, off you go to join all other humans in hell"

[@falcon_arkaig]

Does that make God / Yahweh a trickster God? Maybe (s)he has a sense of humor and is messing with us? Then what else is (s)he lying about?!

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

1:07:00 _As a Christian, I can't reject the biblical timeline of when the flood happened._ *_Are you even listening to yourself_* ⁉️ The 🐎💩 6,000 year date isn't *_Biblical,_* my guy. It's an extrapolation from exaggerated and incomplete genealogies by Archbishop Ussher. It's extra biblical and non-canonical. It's one of the least coherent tenets of the faith, and it utterly baffles me that so many people hold to it. I swear it's the same kind of litmus test that Nigerian Prince scams use, where they have blatant spelling and grammar mistakes to filter out anyone who might catch onto their tricks.

[@amaizenblue44]

I brought this up to a YEC once and he said, nuh uh, I've done the calculations myself. So I said, great! Show me! Waffle, waffle, evade, feign indignance,etc.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

It's fundamentalism... not one Iot or Tittle of the big handbook to Genocide and Incest can be wrong or NOTHING in the religion makes sense. I mean, sure... but not in the way they think. And yes, the Nigerian Prince comparison is very fitting for MOST conspiracy theories... including religious ones like YEC and Flat Earth. Where ALL of Science needs to be deliberately deceptive to "hide" the truth of your beliefs... The more outrageous and bizarre the claims, the better they bind the most gullible believers to their batshit and the more willing those are to ruin themselves to finance the deception they fell for.

[@Wolf_Avatar]

Honestly, I'm impressed that David has the honesty to say "I don't know." To admit his motivation in coming up with his hypothesis. To flat out say that not only does accelerated decay produce an untenable amount of heat, but also to basically say that there would be no reason God would do that other than fooling people into thinking the Earth is old. He seems a lot more self-aware and honest than most when trying to reconcile his particular religious beliefs with modern scientific knowledge.

[@chameleonx9253]

Which is odd, considering he thinks the Bible is literally true, and God told the first lie in the Bible. So why would he think that fooling people just for the hell of it (pun intended) is out of character for his God?

[@Silkenray]

He was refreshingly honest and showed actual intellectual humility rather than pretending to have all the answers.

[@JubioHDX]

@@chameleonx9253 because its also said that god doesnt lie or deceive us in the bible. The bible itself is full of so many contradictions that its not possible to have a logical reason to believe that every word of it is true

[@chameleonx9253]

@@JubioHDX Exactly. God lies almost immediately, so when he says (or rather, when someone else speaks about him, as I'm pretty sure that line wasn't supposed to be from God himself) that he doesn't lie, we know (or should know) that he's lying. It's like saying "I'm a liar. Also, I never lie." One of those statements obviously has to be false, and it's probably the one we see with our own eyes within the context of the narrative.

[@kokosagina]

The young earth is really just a failure of the US education system. I come from a very religious country, we have religion as an actual subject at school (and don't even think it covers anything but the domination religion). Yet, nobody believes in creationism. Those people are in the same rank as flat earthers - they're laughed at and seen as crazy conspiracy theorists As sad as it is, we all know it's hard for humans to let go of the beliefs they were taught as children. That's why nobody starts believing in creationism as an adult, people only grow up believing it and keep on doing that

[@Oliviathespud]

1 the opening went hard 2 that jacket goes hard

[@matttthewcheng]

Presenting Heat decay problem: "That is far too much energy released all at once". YE Creationists: "Ah, but have you considered that God just swallowed all that energy like Kirby vacuuming up fruit?"

[@heiyuall]

“We can never know what someone believes, only what they claim.” And when the claims are as hollow as “correct because it’s correct,” it’s not hard to see the dishonesty.

[@Florkl]

It’s so funny that these people insist on trying to come up with scientific explanations. Like, their entire worldview is centered on the existence of miracles. Why is it so hard to admit that there is no naturalistic way for the flood to have happened? If the flood does have a naturalistic explanation, then why should anyone believe God did it, and if they believe God did it then why not just admit it had to be supernatural?

[@spaghettiupseti9990]

its because they want their religion to be taught in schools as an alternative to evolution so they're trying to make creationism sound as scientific as possible for that push, it fails spectacuraly but they're still gonna try

[@Vivisectus]

That is because they are not interested in finding out how things work. They already know: God did it. They work backwards: they start with the conclusion and pick whatever seems to fit that conclusion, and try to find explanations for whatever doesn't. The goal is not to find explanations at all, merely to justify what they already believe.

[@adamredwine774]

Yup. This is exactly my issue with them. I don’t understand why they insist that science must agree with their supernatural claims.

[@peppermintgal4302]

They understand that science is important, and its beaten them down in a lot of ways, so they want it for themselves.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

@@peppermintgal4302 Also this.

[@Pancakegr8]

"We just don't know what happened back then! Anything could have happened!" - "I KNOW for a fact that a creator exists and he is the god of Christianity" How do these two thoughts fit so nicely in the minds of YECs?

[@lobban2]

Indoctrination

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

there is a lot of space if you just know little enough outside of your faithbased delusions.

[@PhoenixFlame321]

Selective skepticism

[@elguapo2831]

Evolution is based in blind faith. Deep time plus Nothing is a piss poor explanation. Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.

[@Pancakegr8]

@@elguapo2831 Yeah if we didn’t have any evidence for evolution then you could say it’s a faith-based belief. I don’t think it’s crazy to assume intelligence arises from mindless matter because that’s exactly what we see in nature. Slime Molds are a pretty good example.

[@hgbugalou]

We have people working on nuclear fusion and people that think a dude loaded 2 of every animal on the planet into a boat and it flooded. The duality of man. 🤣

[@hairymcnipples]

Well, it depends on which part of the book you're reading. It's two of them in some places. In others it's 7 pairs of every clean animal and only 2 (1 pair) of the unclean animals. Believable!

[@Nova-y3r]

@@hairymcnipples not even a little bit? The food for 10 of the elephant species alone would take up nearly 60% of the space on an ark that uses the most generous cubit measurements that we could find, and with a fully wooden boat of that size it would bend and break under the lightest waves

[@AXKfUN9m]

@@Nova-y3r I think the "Believable!" part was sarcastic.

[@Nova-y3r]

@@AXKfUN9m Oh, sorry. Hard to tell through text lol

[@philleprechaun6240]

@@hairymcnipples Not to overlook that it was also 7 pairs of every bird "kind" Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, Gen 7:3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. But then this 'god' who's narrating all of this to his recording secretary can't seem to remember whether everyone boarded 7 days before the flood began (Gen 7:1-10) or the very day it began (Gen 7: 11-16 - actually verses 11-13 are enough for this but...). This "all knowing" 'god' of theirs can't seem to get his story straight even in the same chapter he's narrating the story.

[@psychologicalprojectionist]

34:07 “There is a book that I haven’t read yet …” What a coincidence, me too. 🤪

[@LanceHall]

They might as well just say Earth was cobbled together from older material.

[@sava-smth]

"pre-aged", y'know, like stars

[@seeawn]

Well the funny thing is is that Gen 1 says the material was already there before God did any creating. So maybe They did make it out of preexisting older stuff

[@Knifesistaken]

But that would imply that there was Stuff in the universe before the Earth was made.

[@seeawn]

@@Knifesistaken mhm Genesis says there’s dark mass of waters before God separated/made the Earth

[@chameleonx9253]

This is an example of how people who claim the Bible is literal truth don't actually take what the Bible says as literally true, since Genesis very clearly does have stuff around before God created the Earth.

[@FoldingIdeas]

The Doctor Octopus we have at home

[@summerlovinxx]

holy shit, hi Dan! :)

[@internetizmyhome]

“They of course …. are the StandingForTruth channel” NOOOOOOOOOok

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

I miss the time when they were just Monkeys for Bananas...

[@SoI_Badguy]

Oh my god your edits have me absolutely cracking up. Please never stop

[@seeawn]

Side note- i love the amount of humor and references in your recent videos, like referencing reels or putting silly images on screen. Keep it up Erika

[@johnfox9169]

You are one of my favorite Great Apes. I love how you slam and pulverize the entrenched idiocy of the YCs. You kick the literal solid waste products out of these hapless know-nothings. Good work 😊

[@dillanklapp]

“Borrowing from our worldview” fundamentalists have such few good ideas of their own, they become bad copyright lawyers whenever they slightly agree with you on something 😂😂

[@quotingstardust7504]

Something I've always wondered about the flood, where did all the water go? It had to cover every mountain in order to wipe out all life so where tf is the water?

[@feltfrog]

it would have turned to mud, another problem facing creationists. where’s all the mud?

[@UrgoMeister]

Dave (YEC) said at 58:06 that the Bible timeline is "...correct because it's correct." Well, that's good enough for me. 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@calebdrawsstuff4446]

Well that has me convinced, that argument is soo strong

[@DonDueed]

Gimme that ol' time religion!

[@Tjips]

David answered "I don't know" to more questions in this video than (I think) I've ever seen a creationist do. Kudos to him for maintaining his intellectual integrity under such pressure.

[@joanfregapane8683]

After a fairly rough 18 hours, I was delighted to find a new Gutsick Gibbon video about YEC! And the heat problem no less! Thanks, Erika!

[@ethanstyant9704]

When i first heard about the heat problem i thought it was referring to the animals overheating or suffocating in noahs ark as theres so many with basically no ventilation on a wooden boat as they also have to keep it waterproof to stop lower levels from flooding

[@tzorfireis425]

It interests me how a lot of David’s arguments about stuff boils down to “I don’t think this factor exists because I can’t explain it if it does”

[@BetterThanEmber]

Been WAITING for this one since the "presentation" 🤣😂 Glad you and the other science friends were there to make the time tolerable

[@richardgreeson924]

I like you and your channel. I find you more honest than the creationist to yourself and the world at large. Thanks for the good work.

[@cpm9747]

I had to pause the video and laugh so hard at "continents hydroplaning." David is so honest... bless his heart.

[@wmpx34]

All that heat was used to power Kong’s new casino resort in Hollow Earth

[@AbuctingTacos]

Roasting SFT on the heat problem is the second best series on this channel I'm surprised something this brutal is allowed on youtube. David destroyed everything SFT lives for

[@zilvercederbom]

Presupper sounds like a daily meal for hobbits.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

The afternoon version of second breakfast.

[@g7108]

The work you do is so important Gutsick Gibbon! I know many people feel it is a waste of time to address creationists, but we are living in an age of misinformation and doubting of science that is absolutely shocking. It can be easy to forget this if you don’t travel around the U.S a lot and are spending time with peers who understand the science! Education is suffering thanks to persistent attacks from people trying hanging onto bronze-aged beliefs, because they’re ashamed of being apes, and their holy books being wrong.

[@Petticca]

It's the most bizarre thing to hear someone who has a strong religious conviction, saying 'I do not know. It is a problem. I don't know how to explain it.' Because they are attempting to be honest in how they understand reality, it's the most bizarre thing to hear someone, in real time, simultaneously strive to be honest in their answers while acknowledging the limits of what can be claimed as fact, and yet just not challenge the religious belief. They can honestly say 'my results don't agree with my theology, and I don't know if it's possible to get to the result the theology requires.' And leave it out in the open. I am of the opinion that such people are genuine in their steps and reasoning, they are clearly not just trying to fit square pegs into round holes. But it is fascinating and I have wondered if at least some of these individuals might actually be legitimately trying to investigate the 'big belief' by investigating these issues problematic to specific religious claims, and just haven't found enough to compel them to jettison God entirely, even if their confidence in the foundations of specific ideas they were taught, have been eroded.

[@soupstoreclothing]

i think the dogma of religion, like scriptures and practices, are wrong like wholesale. but i think there are people who genuinely question those things and eventually come to the conclusion that yes, organized religion is wrong and the bible was written by humans and not the word of god, and then are able to find a version of god in the creation of the universe as we understand it with science. i don't necessarily think that you have to be an atheist to believe in science. you don't have to jettison god out of your life once you realize that religion has tried to brainwash you. i mean science can explain how and when and what and where but not why. there's still room for god even with a scientific understanding of the world and i think once christians like david understand that, the world will be much better off. i say all this as an atheist raised baptist. i have my own reasons for not believing in god but i can certainly understand how and why someone could still believe while also living in reality.

[@crimsonfox87fluxule62]

Personally the most polite way I can put it is that I don't think something that inherently is directly responsible for the death of millions of people over hundreds of years should be allowed to exist at all. God in all of the concepts we even come close to understanding it, the watered down family-friendly version and the hardcore old-time believers version of Yahweh or any other god, it is an antiquated belief that should exist as little as possible in modern society, because it doesn't matter how many good Christians you have, the fact that religion isn't treated like the virus or the scum of the earth that it is is given credibility to people who should be giving no credit at all The people shouldn't be prosecuted the faith should be. Because if you base anything in your life on a book that is substantiated claims about reality, you are mentally ill and just refuse to say I don't know. Why can't you say that you just don't know what happens after you die? Are you so weak that you can't fathom a reality where heaven doesn't exist? Are you really one of those people who don't believe in anything else the Bible says but you do believe that good people go to heaven? How can you possibly believe in an all-loving all-knowing God when people die of cancer and horrible diseases and are raped and are murdered. And if you tell me that you don't know why God doesn't do these things or he works in mysterious ways I'm going to as politely as possible tell you to go fuck yourself. That is the main problem, you claim that God is a caring thing, worthy of worship You dedicate your entire time to a God who does literally nothing. Nothing scientific nothing physical, he doesn't stop hurricanes from killing people who worship him in the first place, and the only logical reason I can come up with involving any kind of rationale with believing in a invisible deity in the modern era is because you're unable to handle the stresses of reality. There's nothing wrong with being unable to handle the stresses of reality, but if you expect me to respect your ability in any way shape or form to do it based off of a book that you're supposed to have civil rights for, you're out of your mind. Your churches should not have tax breaks, you shouldn't have these special places for worship, they should be treated like any other building, and even if you agree with me, great, you're one of the decent Christians that almost every other Christian hates because secretly they believe that you're undermining their faith because you are undermining the faith, the Bible has some horrific shit, and if you read and believe in the Bible you inherently have to believe all of those things You can't cherry pick that. You can cherry pick your specific religious text as much as I can cherry pick the laws of gravity, Newtonian physics, if you can cherry pick your book like I can cherry pick gravity, it would make about as much sense as me being able to fly as your God being anything more than a figment of a weak con man created imagination. And again, I'm still trying to be polite.

[@crimsonfox87fluxule62]

I mean when are we going to realize how dangerous religion is? Just like the dangerous biases of the people who created science that we no longer tolerate because well unlike religion we can actually move on from the things we used to believe are true because you know, that's just how science works. And when are we going to realize that the only way to get rid of it is not in a very nice way at least what they would consider not very nice, because they would cry civil rights issues, when a majority of them would want it to be the case like that for other people, Christian nationalist beliefs are responsible for the direct revocion of female reproductive rights. That is entirely an antiquated religious bias. And yes like I said before it isn't all Christians, but saying that you're interpretation of God is nicer than the other people's interpretation of God, while this same God doesn't do anything to prevent it, makes you a terrible person because you believe in something that should by everything you claim about them be able to stop it but they don't do it. Imagine you're in the middle of a sundown town, and there is a cruel person who chooses not to, he has the power to prevent tornadoes from tearing up the cornfields and yet he chooses not to he has the power to prevent the sick from dying or being healable and he doesn't do it, and in cases of the scripture he actively goes out of his way and commands people either himself or outsources genocides. And not only to the majority of the people you included in that town just pretend that the scripture doesn't say anything about him committing genocides in the past, but you just psychotically repeat to yourselves that he loves us and he is an all of our hearts. And a whole bunch of other things that go from severely cult-like to that, versus it's my belief and I never hurt anybody so what you're saying is incredibly mean and rude and dangerous because you want to take away my faith. Yeah I do, because you don't need it and because it actively sets a precedent for a level of thinking in this country that was created during the bronze age if not even earlier than that. You are giving legitimacy to a viral degenerate evil concept. That's why you are directly a bad person for worshiping God. because you give credence to people who do do evil things in the name of God who would by choice have to focus on something else, and the other thing is, religion is especially bad because it's so easy to hide behind, it's an amendment in the Constitution that allows people to believe in whatever dangerous antiquated beliefs that they want to. And it isn't a matter of belief, but the God in your holy Christian Bible actively provocates slavery and genocide and there are way way too many apologetics for that specifically let alone all the other asinine bullshit. I'm not asking you to quit your God because you suck and God sucks, I'm asking you to quit your belief in God because God sucks and it's making you suck because it's holding you back. You have to look reality in the face, with all of the evidences towards their not being a supreme intellect governing everything, you have to look all of the evidence that even if you don't understand it is still true even if you don't believe it and then you just say to that. "Yeah, I get all that, but I still believe in an invisible man in the sky who loves us all and can do anything he wants all because of the special book." That is what you sound like. Because that is precisely what you are. And all of this is because I believe firmly that it's about time that we move on from this nonsense.

[@Petticca]

@soupstoreclothing You made a great point, and I'm glad that you did, as I see I did a piss poor job of making the point I intended to get across. What I meant regarding someone being able to jettison god, was with regards to the concept as presented by Young Earth Conspiracist 'leaders'. So, I more meant the theology of the YEC shtick specifically, that has a creator god, creating everything as depicted in Genesis, and then has him overseeing the creation of this "perfect" book, detailing everything in literal (as decided by specific individuals) descriptions of the reality that occurred. And this includes humans concluding the planet is a few thousand years old, and having to accept all of the consequences of adamantly defending that conclusion. I was thinking of how difficult it must be when you're raised with that untenable notion of reality, and you learn enough about reality from outside the cult bubble, that it becomes impossible to reconcile the two. I was thinking about how people are left with an intellectual / psychological / emotional struggle to jettison their belief (or rather, previous certainty) that reality, as it is, exists only because of the specifically stated actions of the YEC version of a creator god, once they begin to understand that actual reality literally precludes the possibility that what they were taught is true.

[@eflarsen]

i love being called a gentle and very modern ape and then getting a full hour+ deep dive into how some people decide to try and bend science to fit their preexisting worldview

[@MarkReidAtheism]

I have engaged with Sam (Redefine Living) multiple times and can confirm that he is an obnoxious panelist who tries to inject his particularly smug and toxic christian presup objections into the conversation in order to try to save guests and Donny. Great work Erika! Thanks for making Donny eat his words about solving the heat problem(again)....you would think he would be full by now.

[@AnthonySimeone]

The "you should be worried about going to hell" thing is like telling someone "your argument doesn't matter because I can beat you up."

[@rodentnolastname6612]

The REAL heat problem are all the sick burns lobbed at the YECs 😀🤣🤣

[@greatcaesarsghostwriter3018]

Once they work out the Heat Problem, they will be able to focus on the Tower of Babel Problem. By AIG's reckoning, the incidents concerning the building of the Tower occurred about a hundred years or so after the Flood. By what means did the eight survivors produce enough offspring to staff the work crews needed for such a major project in such a short time?

[@Aurochs330]

How timely, I was just going through withdrawals

[@KadenSlinker]

As a Christian who believes in Evolution and in the ancient age of the Earth. I feel offended by these people. A person shouldn’t call any other person evil just because they don’t believe in your idea based on your own misinterpretations of evidence. We are all in this journey together, we may not take the same path, but we are still all in this together.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

As an atheist, thanks for being a voice for reason. After having watched way too many videos about creationists, your comment is very welcomed and restores a bit of the ol’ faith in humanity 😂

[@vestafreyja]

When I was an Anglican these people would have offended me as well and would have cheapened Yahweh into something more along Loki as a trickster god.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

Yes, agreed! It makes me sad too that so many Christians are more inclined to be causing divisions when the world could really use some more unity right about now.

[@KadenSlinker]

@@alexanderingraham8255 your welcome

[@CelestialAnamoly]

This was all said, thank you! It's nice not to feel alone.

[@southernsal3113]

Thanks!

[@JRRTokeKing]

Using the Tim Allen “huuuuhh” absolutely slayed me lol. Great video, Erica!

[@petersmythe6462]

I did a hydroplate simulation in OpenSPH (or was it SpaceSim, one of the two, same software different interface) with a large fraction of the mantle being water. Well, it definitely did cause a flood. The Earth was about 4000 degrees afterward, and it did manage to hit the moon with some water. I don't think anything survived that.

[@secularidiot9052]

Oh, you just know the tardigrades survived that.

[@skinnyhedgehog]

I'd love to see that sim.

[@andrewjohnson2373]

As an ex-Creationist (hate to admit it, but can’t help what family faith you grow into), the heat problem is one of my favorites!

[@topdawg3359]

What's the heat problem?

[@RobertFHarrison]

I watched this along with my morning coffee and breakfast. I accidentally spilled a little hot water on myself and had a bit of a heat problem of my own even though I wasn't using enough heat to come close to changing the entire darn planet. Thanks for the great vid and all your hard work.

[@DHPersonal]

I love the internet, as it allows me to have access to people unabashedly excited about their field of study. Gutsick always manages to make this subject far more interesting than I expect. Her glee in debunking these arguments is infectious.

[@stevenkobb156]

That WAS fun, Erika. Bravo. Thanks as usual. Yes, I've been spreading your link, especially to kindred content creators.😊

[@Berzerk12nv]

long time lurker, first time poster. You're such a bad ass. Such wow. Much amaze. Please keep this type of content coming. :)

[@DaemonVok]

Donny is just a salesperson. (I genuinely wrote that forgetting that he's literally called Donny Deals for a reason lol) he just "sells" hype. "This is it. This is a SOLUTION to the heat problem. This is REALLY IT!" yeah ok man

[@midnightsan9917]

He was also a used car salesman and it shows

[@spc1689]

Would you object if we called you E-ROCK!!!!! I mean, I listen to a lot of evolutionary podcasts and there is not anyone else who puts it in such concise and frankly user friendly terms. Plus, you are extremely kind. I do happen to be Catholic, but I am a STAUNCH believer in evolution and old earth. Just a pleasant way of presenting the material. Keep it up!

[@johnferrandino4666]

I love the way you explain things. You cram a lot of information in a very short amount of time and I completely get what you're saying. You are one of my heroes in this area

[@spantigre3190]

That geologic column at the end. It's a thing of beauty. If the heaviest elements sink, wouldn't all elements do that, not just radioactive ones?

[@kyleepratt]

And this, therefore, is why we have never seen or even heard of tungsten. Just to heavy, it's in the very middle

[@amaizenblue44]

It's just so nonsensical. Part of the reason we know the method works is because many different isotopic pairs correlate, all in the same layers, and with their different half lives, they all overlap throughout the entire column.

[@caffetiel]

@@kyleepratt and gold! Unreachable, unknowable, only ever created in a lab, this element

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@caffetiel but the densest substance known to mankind is the skull of a YEC...

[@hedgehog3180]

Also Radon and Argon are both noble gasses so they'd actually float.

[@annasalmans5523]

I love the debunking videos, even if they're repeat debate points. I always learn something new.

[@nadirku]

Mr. Anderson deserved some "The Matrix" memes, because he was "The One" for that video.

[@WalterWagner001]

They get it, but they don't want to admit it. So instead, they seek to deceive - kinda like lots of the lawyers out there.

[@slasofthef0rest816]

I don’t usually comment on your videos Erika for fear of sounding insanely out of my depth, but my god the ukelele music fading in every time things were about to get good had me in tears by the end of the video. excellent work as always.

[@siwilson1437]

Very excited you have 99.6k subscribers, big one coming up and very well deserved!

[@WhatHaveIMade]

I was wondering if YEC's have ever been asked about the presence of iron-60 in parts of the earth's crust. Since it is not something that is a natural part of the earth, but is created as part of a dying star's supernova explosion. A supernova that was close enough to earth to have deposited it here within the last 6000 years would have completely destroyed our ozone layer, leaving life here to be cooked to death by the sun's UV radiation.

[@kyleepratt]

Ah you see my friend, the answer will turn out to be the Living Star (Christians love capitalizing)

[@seedye]

It came from the Ark’s anchor, duh.

[@SapphicBibliophile]

It boggles my mind that they need to be so literal about the flood - like, guys, if the flood is allegory that means your god didn't commit worldwide genocide! it's a win-win for you!

[@jurajbrunner1763]

Somewhere up there, crammed in a tiny service vehicle, Mr. Slartibartfast is quietly appreciating the flawless work of the Magrathean planet building team. Funny how 6x9=42 makes much more sense than the whole YEC.

[@l0rf]

I applaud this comment. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[@iluvtacos1231]

Mr Anderson, oh my GAWD, that was BRUTAL.

[@gilatron1241]

Your collection of clips and jokes is S+ tier, never change

[@CrunchyDark]

"soft resets" the planet 😅 I like that. God pressed the cntrl+alt FU key and the dinos went bye-bye.

[@orge343]

Yea...this was pretty brutal. Glad you are keeping their feet to the accelerated decay fire!

[@stmusic2164]

Mr. Anderson playing the role here of Agent Smith: "No, Donny, your men are already dead"."

[@mathcamel]

Creationists disagreeing brings me such joy! I love the idea of them honestly grappling with these problems instead of just,,, idk... tearing down the education system.

[@fmdj]

Never stop (well as long as you like doing this), it's always a pleasure to watch.

[@anndalva]

The next idea is that the heat was sucked into the earth to form the core, which the Earth needed because...

[@GenesisTheKitty]

But then they'd have to deal with their past claim that the sun wasn't as strong in the past because of the firmament. The earth gets more heat from the sun AND from the core? If the temperature was comfortable enough to grow enough food to support the absurd diversity of life they claim all existed in the 2k years before the flood, why wasn't everything immediately cooked afterwards? Also plate tectonics, volcanic activity, the ocean currents, and even much of the weather relies on our living core to function. However, this is under a video about the heat problem which is built out of contradictions, so...

[@internetizmyhome]

It’s how hell formed. It was made to hold the flood victim’s souls after all . . .

[@alextopfer1068]

That would amount to a miracle

[@rainbowkrampus]

Because it was the only way to cover up evidence of the hollow Earth and to trap all the king kongs down there.

[@vforwombat9915]

@@GenesisTheKitty as understand it, the earth was almost entirely flat when the flood hit. they have explained the problem of water volume w this. i'm no expert, idk all the various schools of thought on yec, but this is one of them, and that the mounts and such were formed during/after the flood as god did some rearranging . iirc, the waters themselves came both from geyers shooting underground water up and ice meteors. seems to me all the geological upheaval, the formation of the himalayas and rockies etc, that would require an energy source. idk if they've ever proposed this before and ppl have shot it down, but part of me hopes they haven't and will try to now.

[@foxmocs6443]

No better way to start the day than a Gutsick Gibbons upload

[@CharlesPayet]

Except when you know you can’t watch for an entire day. Then it’s like sweet torture.

[@dade-murphy]

My favorite kind of Gutsick videos.

[@calvinham2744]

This is my first time seeing one of your videos and found it quite delightful.

[@MikeHoran-th2ud]

"Personal Religious Beliefs" are what the rest of the world calls "Fan Fiction".

[@RichWoods23]

25:25 "So does anybody know the starting conditions, that's the question" I'll happily admit that I can't be 100% sure of any set of starting conditions, but I'll also say that the conclusion that some omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being based primarily upon someone's storytelling traditions is the cause of some set of putative starting conditions is highly likely to be erroneous.

[@MageGrayWolf]

Another video on Sitting For Lies (SFT). I call him that since if he's doing this at his computer he's likely sitting, and he's lying, so...

[@thortonnotthecoffeeguy8473]

I gave it a 👍 before I even started watching! Your dogged relentlessness is totally my jam!

[@CrankyQuokka]

The video has just started but I love these debunks. I have a couple of family members that are hard-core YEC's and its endless fun pissing them off at family gatherings 😂

[@CLipka2373]

I advocate for referring to the Global Flood hypothesis as "the Noah Story Arc". Thank you.

[@czipcok1994]

Worst arc in the story to be honest. Jesus tournament arc against other prophets was the best though.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

See yourself out.

[@optillian4182]

boo

[@CLipka2373]

😁

[@sammysamlovescats]

I am ashamed to share a name with Sam :( They also love to ignore that most of us Jews, even Orthodox ones, accept evolution as the best explanation for biodiversity