Why the world is facing a population crisis | GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

[@RR-iq8ze]

Why would anyone have kids to raise them to have to fight in crazy wars?

[@Ryanrobi]

What crazy wars? The planet is the most peaceful in history lol. A fewer % of the planet is fighter wars now than ever.

[@hkonhelgesen]

Russia and China have extremely low fertility. Because people don't want their children wasted in holy war.

[@AngkatanNamwaran]

@@Ryanrobi You don't know when these politicians would just declare was.

[@trevorwitherspoon9160]

The world govenerments have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out the human race. Have you looked at the record breaking school shootings?

[@wamnicho]

@@Ryanrobi a peaceful planet is an illusion, just look at all the divisions in the world both at the international level and also inside countries, these are powder kegs that can off at any time

[@Jimmydawhite]

Why is it a problem? Are we supposed to have endless population? The only people who benefit are the super rich, the rest are just sustaining

[@Bleifuss88]

We are not supposed to have endless population. However, we will need to stabilize the population levels at some. Right now, we are facing a population crash by the end of the century that could end civilization. We have fallen from one extreme into the other.

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@Jimmydawhite government be like produce more McDonalds workers you plebs.

[@Ryanrobi]

@@Jimmydawhite need a stable population or else all of our government programs collapse, they where all modeled on have few old people and ALOT of young workers paying in and avg age of death at about 65. The math simply doesn't work.

[@Ryanrobi]

@@Jimmydawhite Just getting by is the normal human condition, there are far fewer of these folks in the world today.

[@terrywert6587]

I think the super rich ARE the problem. They took all the wealth that would have otherwise been used for raising the next generation.

[@jinx18e]

I think a shrinking population would be better because its not like we are doing a good job of supporting the population we have now.

[@tjones44236]

There are only 200 mln whites in the US and that number is going to shrink with dying boomers. I have no clue why the US lets in so many Hispanics, as only a few of those countries like Argentina have pretty girls. Most are short, overweight, brown and dumpy.

[@ChalrieD]

Bubonic plague hit europe and half of people died, and the next generation had a massive enlightened period or progress. Less people means more resources, people who think it’s going to hurt us are stuck playing railroad tycoon economics. Lol

[@Lana-xd7ey]

@@jinx18e Shrinking is okay but extinction is a problem and many country slowly going that way like Japan, Singapore and korea

[@jinx18e]

@Lana-xd7ey it is completely ridiculous thinking this will lead to extinction. The MILLIONS of people will not completely die off. Japan went from a 30 million to 125 million in 100 years. Shrinking population after such a boom is completely normal in nature why is this such a shock to people?

[@Lana-xd7ey]

@@jinx18e And Japan going 30 million from 125 million in 2050 with another 50 year the population will be gone

[@greggm7917]

Maybe if all governments stopped giving it all away with no taxes for old rich people and corporations, there would be real funds available to support families

[@derek4412]

Sounds like we should vote to stop paying social security to the “childless by choice” crowd

[@RR-iq8ze]

@@derek4412

[@Sardonus-l3q]

@@derek4412 No, what they're saying is to support the young, not the old.

[@julianeyhart6219]

@derek4412 only if they get to stop paying taxes to fund education and other programs for children

[@EdT.-xt6yv]

10% of World population lives on less than $2? 40%are struggling and 1/3 find themselves in ( -)H20 land,,,

[@My68Tempest]

Keep people working longer? Are you kidding me?

[@DearSX]

Health insurance for older folks is expensive

[@ankan1627]

well, who is going to pay for your retirement ?

[@mattburrito]

i dislike anyone thats always busy even the married communities dont give a rats ass about friendships and hanging with family

[@julianskinner3697]

@@ankan1627 tax wealth and inheritance not just income

[@jdlngwll]

I don’t think working longer is necessarily a bad thing. When my corporate career ended, I studied to become a mediator. I love what I do now and , as an independent contractor, I can set my own hours and rates. This is definitely a part-time gig for me that allows plenty of time for other activities. I never see myself fully retiring unless I become disabled.

[@surajjuthi5314]

The people that will suffer for their government's greedy policies? the people who worked hard all their lives and deserve family time and rest... Why would I bring any children into a world where the only point is to make other people rich for 70-80 years?

[@phoenixrising4995]

Government be like produce more McDonalds workers you plebs.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

Exactly. All population discussions are always drifting towards lack of sufficient population to enslave in the future.

[@judykinsman3258]

Interesting that she didn’t use the US as a country with minimal family support infrastructure. We have a crisis of dysfunctional children raised by dysfunctional families.

[@nicksieben7701]

This is good news, the global population should continue to decrease, The older generations must realize that the newer generation will rarely reproduce, especially with the various social and cultural changes that are causing us to be more divided and hateful towards one another.

[@Ryanrobi]

I think you're online too much to go out into the real world.. It's still true the average American woman has 1.7 kids who wouldn't call that rare.

[@nicksieben7701]

@Ryanrobi I have been outside in the real world, I touch grass if that pleases your little ego. This world is overpopulated as is, and if the current generation is, do not learn from their own mistakes, and the mistakes of their predecessors, Then we should not be repopulating as much, or just pretend we've gone sterile, it's best not to bring new life into this world where there are more issues to deal with and adding more mouths to feed will only enhance that. The cost of living and the cost of even having a kid these days is rising, it's hard to afford, you might as well go broke at that point. I say it's best to let the population decline and the birth rate decline as well.

[@Samuel-vw2wy]

You won’t think it’s good news when you can’t find a doctor, repairman, police officer because there aren’t enough people, and the structures around you are falling apart because there isn’t enough tax revenue for the government to pay to fix it.

[@nicksieben7701]

@Samuel-vw2wy You can blame the educational system across the USA for not pushing towards trade job education and blue collar opportunities, along with the wreckless spending of government funds, primarily for the US military bases and operations over seas. We need to focus on our own country and also get our people in line. The constant complaining and weakness of the focus groups, social justice "warriors," cancel culture groups, liberals, and other flawed idealists and groups are also to blame. Perhaps that's the wake up call the USA, along with other countries need to get their people to properly WAKE UP, stop with the stubbornness, lies, selfishness, lack of awareness and coherence, greed and complete idiocy that has been plaguing society. If the failures and depletions of our society doesn't help to educate and properly motivate our citizens to take action that benefits all and ensures our country's future well being, then we're doomed to fall hard and possibly die off. If this happens, so be it, humanity can be seen as an infectious cancer anyways.

[@claybaybay519]

@@nicksieben7701 Oh, so you are a kick the can down the road kind of guy. I would say typical of your generation but I don't know how old you are......I have my theories. BUT not adding to the problem = a solution to the problem. It's a band-aid (if that). Perhaps a way of life that isn't dependent on population growth, AND more younger people than older. Or your way of thinking - if we just get rid of all humans their wouldn't be a problem!

[@sumdude4281]

Wealth is too concentrated at the top, those people can only have so many kids. You want growth you are going to have to tax the sheet out of corporations and the wealthy and provide massive support to the poor.

[@Ryanrobi]

@@sumdude4281 It's not money for the 1 million time, poorest people have the most kids by far the people who have the fewest are the top 20% income only when you get to the .001% do you see fertility rate go back up. It's more about opportunity cost and lifestyle preferences. The vast majority of wealthy in America is normal middle class people in their home equity and retirement funds not billionaires or very wealthy. If you look at the poorest 20% in America they have a lot more kids than the top 20% so that idea doesn't hold water.

[@Gazer-x5s]

@@RyanrobiPoor people dont care about the wellbeing of children, they only care about children being their asset.

[@chrislynCK]

If wealth redistribution and more tax helps with birthrates, how come Europeans have less births per women than Americans? Even China is facing the same issue.

[@19katsandcounting]

@@Ryanrobithere is no middle class anymore, so almost everyone is poor, they just aren’t homeless. They’re over leveraged and exhausted.

[@Ryanrobi]

​@@Gazer-x5sNonsense I grew up as poor as you can get in America in a big family of 5 and my wife is from a family of 9 in a developing country we all cared as much as anyone else about our kids/family.

[@kathieharine5982]

I was born when there were 138 million people in the USA. Life was wonderful. Humans need to stop this massive overbreeding.

[@lomotil3370]

OK boomer

[@ExploreVanIsle]

Tell that to your parents

[@M43782]

@@kathieharine5982 Right, there is too many boomers.

[@tjones44236]

White people stopped having a lot of kids in 1964. The former communist bloc hit peak baby in 1990. Perhaps Africans shouldn't have 4+ kids

[@i_like_beer-o2f]

Well the problem is that the over breeding already happened and now we have a huge population of old people sucking our country dry

[@PxThucydides]

No one has realized the problem is simple: seniority. Once you educate women they get into careers. Have a child, though, and in almost all countries, your job goes poof. Your accumulated seniority? Gone. Here in Canada I observe a mini baby boom among the one group that does keep their job and their career: teachers. If Japan or Korea want to fix birth rates they have to mandate companies to guarantee the jobs and seniority of women who leave to have children. Nothing they are currently doing will work.

[@turkizno]

So, in basic terms, job security. No good or secure job = No house/rent even after years = I will not have a child because we can become homeless at any moment

[@tw8464]

You're absolutely right

[@everythingisfine9988]

What else are these women going to do? A washer cleans clothes, all the kitchen tools cook food quickly & rumba vacuums the floor. Once the child is old enough for preschool (which is important for the kid to develop socialization skills) mom will have nothing to do but sit around the house scrolling on IG.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@everythingisfine9988 All the domestic tools don't reduce much work. They just allow a higher standard of housekeeping. That is a higher living standard.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

@@everythingisfine9988 And you have the servants who do it all for you?

[@OlinaKIM]

If a woman devotes her time and energy to work, she will have an income, be respected, and have no worries about food and clothing. But if she spends her time and energy on having and raising a child, what can she get? Is there financial compensation? No. Can she get respect from people around her? No. It will also damage her health and delay her career development. Only a fool would have a child and raise a child under such circumstances.

[@Rej-gc5zi]

Fair point

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

In most places in the world procuring an offspring is equally dangerous as participation in military conflict. You can lost Your life, child life, health just like a war veteran.

[@casey203]

Almost 20 years ago (back when i was still in middle school) I read a book about this by Mark Steyn called "America Alone". People have been talking openly talking about this for decades. These population decisions were made 40 years ago now. We've had all the Data to show this coming population collapse since the 1990s. It's INSANE how behind our media and politicians are that they are JUST NOW talking about this.

[@Shikuesi]

To be fair, they've known it long enough re the West with its feminism and all that. The assumption was that the rest of the world would keep growing....

[@claybaybay519]

But things come up all the time. It's easy to talk about things when hindsight is on your side. You don't also remember talks about overpopulation in the 90s? Y2K? Imagine if that were happening right now, you'd be saying the same thing, "Why haven't we been doing anything about this we've been talking about it for decades!" lol. Don't worry Casey, don't lift a finger. Others will get right on it

[@HansFurchtlos]

I see nothing wrong when the population decreases. It is about time for earth to regenerate and other species to thrive. Mankind has already damaged the environment a lot.

[@nandakinilahiri38]

@@HansFurchtlos absolutely true. Why is all this fuss if the population is reduced a little ? There will always be some humans left and a world with more space. It will be beneficial for the Earth 🌎🌍 in every way.

[@doggee09]

yes bro ❤

[@magdaty1815]

Epstein's Island and similar need kids.

[@lannguyen-pu1db]

What's the problem? Fewer people means more resources for everyone...More habitats for the flora and fauna. Unless the meteor comes first.

[@scaboi]

Greedy and evil people want fewer people because they want all the resources for themselves.....that's the problem.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@scaboi Since WW 2, the world population tripled. Our Earth is NOT coping with present human consumption and waste.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

@@chriswatson1698 Earth is coping with all this. Only neo-communists want to use climat as an excuse for imposing slavery and control.

[@Angie-in8wc]

The planet can sustain 6 billion people, we’re currently at 8 billion. There no danger in humanity dying out. This is about rich people wanting more wage slaves.

[@mohammedhussain-wp6hn]

This planet can sustain 100 billion people. I have 4 children. I didn't look for excuse to have big family

[@Angie-in8wc]

@ I’m going to need evidence of your 100 million claim from a reputable source.

[@samuelboucher1454]

@@Angie-in8wc Provide your own sources first.

[@terryharris1291]

@@Angie-in8wc The world has huge space and the resources to support more than 6 billion.We live in the easiest time in human history.New Zealand already produces enough food to feed well over 40 million people ,with a population of under 6 million.Most of the world live in large cities these days,there is still huge area's of country side to live in or build more cities.

[@leanderrowe2800]

People only consider their own personal/family circumstances when deciding to have children. No one has children for the goodness of society. To tell your citizen that having children is their patriotic duty is laughable.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

Sure but this is one of the foremost arguments used in such discussions.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Actually, every major religion told people that having children was their duty to God. But that idea has been discarded.

[@gypsybond8651]

it is not a crisis, it is merely a trend, a welcome trend.

[@Dimoj-py1tb]

8 billion ppl... what crisis?

[@Ryanrobi]

The problem is that there will be far to many old people in the future are not producing but consuming vast amounts of resources and our social safety nets are paying as you go systems that require more younger people than older people. It's not a problem with the amount population the problem is that they're all clustered in one area and there's not enough young people.

[@Gazer-x5s]

@@RyanrobiSweden death pod does exist

[@magdaty1815]

@Ryanrobi Yet another scam. Look at these people on streets, no one cares that they are out of job market and out of the system.

[@tw8464]

THIS!

[@tw8464]

​@Ryanrobi you mean the same old people who hate anyone not their skin color or doesn't go to their exact "church"? The same ones don't even genuinely love their own kids because we didn't buy into the preposterous nonsense of their ridiculous "religion" and racism? Then they're made because no one can take care of them because of their own egos' stupidity? It's same nonsense in many countries gotta maintain or build iron domes everywhere "must be" "only ethnic han" or start a cleansing same mentality all over. 8 BILLION people we need three earth's just to resource. There is NO "population crisis" but there is a perpetual human stupidity crisis

[@Alltogether54]

Totally agree with csizzle. Also women fed up with being left to deal with it all.

[@judykinsman3258]

Handmaids Tale coming!

[@Ryanrobi]

Interesting 🤔 since western woman by far do the least child care of any society in history and have the fewest kids.

[@lukeli1]

housing cost is skyrocketing, I can't see my kids making a living off their meager wages, why would i encourage them to have kids themselves. :(

[@FIREownyourtime]

Well lets see. People get paid $3000 barely surviving and then houses are $300-500k each. College is 100k for 4 years. Daycare is $2000 per mth. How are the younger generation going to have kids? Work to their bone for $3000 and barely surviving to pay bills and debts. No one in their right mind say yes, lets bring more kids to repeat this hamster life.

[@edilee5909]

We're still adding more than 80 million people every year. This is not a problem yet. Most places are suffering from too many people. See the air pollution in China, India, Pakistan, etc.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

Such a problem is not due to population but due to respective govs doing nothing to protect the environment.

[@mickygarcia4251]

The reason why it is a crisis is because a burgeoning population is good for the portfolios of the 1%. It's not a crisis for all the other forms of life.

[@everythingisfine9988]

Not just nature, also the working class. Scarce labor is worth more and increases bargaining power

[@amelianywhere]

If the United States did not attract so many immigrants, I am sure they would be forced to retire later to continue making the big CEOs rich.

[@cmorillo2865]

I get really tired of this conversation always focusing on women and their education. The simple reason is this: women need financial security to feel confident to have children. No financial security = No kids. Of all the women I know, only a couple do not want to have children. All the others want to have kids, but no partners or low finances acted as blockers.

[@Layla12251]

It's creepy. Why do they have to tell us that we can't get a job and an education before we have kids? How do you think we're going to feed and house those kids without an income and understanding on the world around us?

[@lanagustafson1700]

How about making it easier for people to adopt? There are so many children who need a home. I don’t understand why no one ever talks about this

[@mesxenet]

@@lanagustafson1700 this is depressing. In my country they will never give you a baby, you can adopt toddlers but the process can take from 12 to 32 months. Soul wrecking.

[@tw8464]

You're absolutely right. And reform the foster system to make adoption system

[@scaboi]

Why adopt? Why raise somebody else's kids? Why not go tell the real parents (if they are still living) to get it together and raise their own kids?

[@HS-jq4go]

So they need more consumers 😂

[@sappereaude]

@@HS-jq4go plus warriors , workers and tax payers.

[@Antionamente1]

The only people worried about population decline are the people hoarding money. The wealthy thrive off the working population. They would rather do everything to fix this "problem" except adjust their business structures or policies to include the working people in on the profits they produce. Children are expensive. They like to target the education of women as the problem when it's so much more than that. Most families cannot live off the income of one parent. Women have no choice but to work. Why don't we take a look at capitalism and historical rapid industrialization. I believe this is where we should start and make adjustments.

[@user-bz5io6ph8w]

Yup, the capitalist class needs more consumers and workers it's a problem for them. Except they don't want to pay the taxes to support growth

[@tw8464]

Exactly! Thank you for saying it.

[@brokeduece1691]

Gzero must have never visited California. We have a overpopulation crisis here. It takes 1 hour to drive 10 miles

[@zorrosdog6557]

California is bigger than Germany but Germany has more than twice as many people. The cities are overcrowded in California, that's it.

[@user-bz5io6ph8w]

It's a urban planning not a population problem

[@chriswatson1698]

@@user-bz5io6ph8w The increased population caused the planning problem. There is no planning fairy.

[@CFG93711]

For years we hear dont have kids if you cant afford it. Now that people arent having kids because its financially unaffordable, everyone moans about no kids? Bonkers

[@ma228]

Having children is a job. Goverments need to pay 2 full salaries. If they want children. Otherwise we are wise!

[@Ryanrobi]

Governments don't pay for anything the people pay for everything. So if you want your government to pay you twice as much you need to make places much money can pay in taxes. It's actually worse than that cuz government's very inefficient. There is no magical government money it's just our money we all pay in, and the debt we all take on and need to pay back in the future with interest.

[@TSDamiano]

@@ma228 Youth unemployment the crisis since 1980 economic crash THANK GOD we have a labor shortage otherwise : "Want a raise in pay how about i hire somebody else than you " - cheap labor from Asia Unpaid hours Corporations control the non compete agrement Depopulation is a huge Surpise for the ones in powers and it will leader to solutions THEY Dont like

[@tw8464]

Exactly

[@terryharris1291]

How are government going to pay that,you would have to pay all your earnings into government and then be given just enough to live on.

[@tw8464]

@ma228 the wolves are mad the sheep aren't breeding

[@kleeklee449]

People should not be allowed to be million folds richer than the work force.

[@SeattlePioneer]

The most popular financial planning among working people is "spend all you earn AND all you can borrow." This seems to be the financial plan of most governments as well.

[@mujkocka]

We need less human. Not more. 100 million would be better. But we have 8 billions.

[@magdaty1815]

Most of them in Africa and Asia.

[@scaboi]

Maybe you can help by killing yourself

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

You won't be among those 100 milion.

[@vicycross6037]

"Extend their working lives" LOL so this guy wants 70yo and 80yo and 90yo working until their last breath for some corporation instead of resting comfortably at home

[@joseeustaquioalves5640]

Congratulations Dr. Jennifer Sciubba. I agree 100% with the idea that population decline is not a problem and can be the solution for the social and environmental progress of countries and the world....

[@KJSvitko]

Population needs to be in balance with jobs, resources, nature and the environment. Having a bigger population in any country than the country can support makes no sense. Access to food, water, shelter, energy and jobs should guide population levels. The worlds population is still expected to add another billion people to feed, clothe and produce pollution. Humans are crowding out all other species of plants and animals. Education and birth control are key to reducing poverty and hunger. Having a child that you can not provide for yourself is cruel and irresponsible. We need solutions not just sympathy. Endless population growth is not sustainable on a finite planet. Every country needs to "TRY" to be more self sufficient. When there are not enough resources to sustain a population something has to give. Countries need to focus on quality of life for their citizens and not just quantity of life for cheap labor. Why import fossil fuels when wind and solar energy can be produced locally and solar energy can power electric vehicles. We need solutions not just sympathy.

[@petitnicollas]

We need to reform social security and the pension system, not make people work for the rest of their lives.

[@derek4412]

The best way to reform it is to pay people based upon how many children they created, who are currently paying into the system. I’m 34 with three kids so far, and several of my cousins are choosing to not have kids. They also have much higher incomes than I do because they’ve chosen to not directly invest in the next generation. You can see the unfairness of watching peers go on more vacations, retire earlier, AND get larger payouts from social security, right?

[@RR-iq8ze]

@@derek4412and watch parents get time off for parental leave, etc.

[@Ryanrobi]

They will never vote for this so it's not happening

[@julianeyhart6219]

It’s not unfair. It’s a result of your choices. Your cousins are already paying taxes to fund your children’s education and all other programs that benefit other people’s children.

[@mrstyle4863]

​@@RR-iq8ze3 months at birth. That's it.

[@juanvga]

The world needs to decrease its population. The world is fine with half the population.

[@westekforest1712]

Half the population? How about 0.0000000000001% of the current population. That way I can more easily find the exact asshole that wants to steal the surplus of my labor for new kitchen in his castle while I live in a mud hut.

[@chriswatson1698]

The world's population has tripled in 75 years. Get it back to a third of its present size.

[@RussellFineArt]

There’s NO crisis with population decline. World population should return to WW1- WW2 levels of 1.5-2 billion people and the world should run on 100% renewable, clean energy and EV’s. Governments need to stop trying to boost population and work on immigration from central Africa.

[@Jimmydawhite]

In Canada it's unlikely that the divorce laws will change, so it's going to be a huge shift in how we work around that. I for one had 1 child, and id never do it again.

[@olefosshaug5565]

Capitalism coming to an end

[@19katsandcounting]

Women cannot do two shifts anymore. Something’s gotta give, that means eliminate mouths to feed.

[@ladybug3380]

Women need more help with child rearing. Maybe we can provide mothers with appointed Nannie’s once the babies are born so she has help. Once women see that it’s safe to reproduce they’ll reproduce. Right now it’s not worth our mental health to struggle to raise a bunch of kids alone.

[@chriswatson1698]

The lack of an enforceable marriage contract makes motherhood untenable. You can be abandoned in middle age with no career or any prospects of remarriage, or you can be forced into single parenthood on no grounds at all. Single parents have to do twice the work and pay twice the expenses, because there is no partner to split with.

[@AD70003]

We already have too many people. World needs 1-2 billion population at max .

[@DearSX]

So back to 1804 levels

[@jimgaston9863]

Bullcrap,we inhabit 3% of the planet. With modern technology we could support a population of 80 billion or more. You’ve fallen for anti-humanist propaganda

[@ExploreVanIsle]

Create an old age cap. They get a swedish death pod visit on their 65 birthday.

[@robertgulfshores4463]

@@DearSX When my father was born in 1936, the estimated world population was about 2 billion. Not long ago

[@mattburrito]

how about 600 million?

[@Nomad-XA]

Kids are money eating machines, and people have no money 🙄🤷‍♂️

[@MoniiChanTheUnicorn]

Only the people at the top complaining because a small population gives us more power, value and a better quality of life. In India theres so many people that despite putting loads of barriers in place (more qualification requirements), thousands apply for just 1 position. This surpresses wages. When there are fewer people for a job, like in the west, the same job positions pay more (in relation to living) and dont require the same qualifications, just evidence that you are able to do the job (and my experience with Indian colleagues is that they have many degrees and certificates but are not good at actually doing the job - this is from software engineer perspective)

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Population collapse . . . Good : For families. Bad : For corporations.

[@MindsetByMichele]

What governments can do about this crisis? Actually make progress on all the things that seem to portend the end of the world as we know it. If governments worked to create a world that felt sustainable (wrangling matters of climate, technology, war and oppression, etc.), maybe people of child-bearing age would feel confident enough that there would be a worthy world left for their children to actually have them. Right now, it seems like a lot of those people aren't confident the world will last long enough for them to grow old much less to inspire bringing in a new generation. In the meantime, we need to recognize the current structure as the Ponzi scheme it is and find a new path forward...pronto!

[@fanlee6560]

Population already peaked, oil past peaked, we have to work so hard and the money is not enough to eat and live now because more population means have to fight more for the limited resources. with AI and robots, industry also want to save labor cost, lesser human are needed already, without work no food, how to live? dont believe all human population can just be zipped around in cars and well fed, and entertained, without working or worrying about money, that will be fairytale or some cartoon.

[@TheJackster04]

Automation tax

[@scottdavis3571]

We are not in a population crises. The planet needs less people.

[@Robostate]

This woman talks a lot but says nothing. By immediately taking women's rights off the table but putting nothing else on it, she just puts the spotlight on the elephant in the room.

[@JanKowalski-vj9py]

Exactly. As for an "expert" she completely clueless and wasting our time.

[@gilabanget7986]

If the government subsidies lasts until the child's end of life, sure thing. But having a child and providing just early support is a plan failed at the start. Having a family is an immense amount of stress that is not supported at all by society due to the collapse of basic communities. People look to strangers for support rather than their kin; ie therapists, AI therapists, etc. I guess we now know why all the prior civilizations before us do not exist today. Some people want to rule and influence nature, instead of letting things run its course. Playing creator is a freaking joke. We are nothing and should just exist in harmony as nature does naturally.

[@derek4412]

One of the sad parts about everybody having far fewer family members is how small family gatherings are getting. I’m 34 and I am only child. Luckily, I got married and have three kids (we are hoping for 5-6 kids, eventually) but we are stuck doing holidays with cousins instead of siblings because none of my cousins has more than one sibling. It’s wild to think our children are distantly related enough (despite growing up together) they can technically get married .

[@castirondude]

Bravo! My wife and I did the same and we're loving family life.

[@terrywert6587]

Where do you get the MONEY to raise your children from? Not all of us are doctors or own successful businesses, you know.

[@19katsandcounting]

Not only that, you’re stuck dealing with their problems or those with higher levels of narcissism.

[@castirondude]

@19katsandcounting right, when everybody is used to doing things exactly their own way then group gatherings become tough

[@AntiNatalAtheist]

Haven't you enforced birth upon your children. And also you have burdened them forcefully to live a HUMAN life. It is a burden they never asked for in the first place. Will you be suffering their physical or emotional sufferings?? It is them and only them all because of your foolish idea of existence.

[@ohkay7418]

NOT A problem. Tooooo many people anyway i read the population boom in the 70 s. We can't feed and house everyone now

[@Nurj81]

What about rate of infertility growth? One in ten couples wanting children of their own are facing infertility but don’t have funds to get medical help.

[@robwyyi]

Again a honest outlook by Ian and rest.

[@vickiesorenson2383]

Institute artificial wombs to produce babies. Lots of women die in childbirth and have other complications. Low sperm counts from endocrine disruptions and visa versa for women. Women raise the kids, loose their jobs, financial security , and do the bulk of housework , cooking, dr visits, school events, stay home with sick kids if working, and basically are doing two jobs. Why would a woman choose this? No affordable childcare, no baby care until child age 2, and limited social security due to lost work years while raising kids. People can’t even afford to support themselves at this given moment and it’s been like this for years. There’s lots of talk on this topic, but nothing is ever done. It all comes down to. It’s your duty to your government or your nation. Guilt tripping women . They even refuse to sterilize women but will readily do a vasectomy on a man. So you can see this entire picture is out of balance . People are not dating, having sex, nor getting married and these are young people from like age 20-30. There are multiple stats on this. Now they are refusing abortions to bring the population numbers up. The technology sector could do this if they are doing it with premature babies at this point . Something to look at if this is a crisis.

[@peterdilworth3110]

there are 7 billion confused unhappy people, do we really need to make another billion? Why?

[@c.f.okonta8815]

@@peterdilworth3110 we have 8 billion people not 7 billion

[@blugaledoh2669]

The problem is the inverted age pyramid

[@anonmouse15]

Because.

[@Sarcasmarkus]

Meh 🤷‍♂️ There's too many people at my fishing spots.

[@himbolastname6379]

In the words of the wise Snoop Dogg: Drop it like it's hot. We can't afford kids anywhere and its cause wealth is hoarded globally by the 1%. You gave the youth of the world nothing to believe in. And in turn, we have nothing to work for. Why would we give back to a society that has fucked us over our entire lives?

[@DearSX]

We going to have to live with less. Choose what we want wisely.

[@castirondude]

If we can reduce the bureaucratic overhead we can probably do all the things people care about with 2/3 or half the manpower

[@anonmouse15]

World peace was declared when everyone was too old to actually go to the battlefield.

[@Paulus_Brent]

Population degrowth is a good thing. We are way too many.

[@gijose83]

only a crisis for capitalism

[@lifesabeach9451]

There aren't enough resources to go around as it is. This discussion is nuts. How many people is too many?

[@sappereaude]

Just take the current number of humans and take a look at our planet. Then you'll get your answer!

[@BridgetWalker-xu8sw]

This world is not worth experiencing. "The blissfullness of non existence surpasses all the pleasures of this world." -Al Ma'arri

[@grantpenton1850]

Responsible governments will accept that degrowth will be positive for workers and the ecology generally, and that population contraction should be managed by incentivizing later retirement and better health overall.

[@tjones44236]

According to UN data, the number of babies being born outside Africa peaked in 1990. These guys will hit retirement in the 2050s but by then a bigger problem could be mass crop failures in S. Asia due to climate change.

[@erikdekker1]

"We're living longer and that's a great thing", I am not even 28 and I already wanna quite this Circus we call life, lol. Let's crash the birth rates to 0%, lol.

[@JoseFernandez-cp3cv]

Napoleon Said it.war needs 3 things: money money money. We xan change it children need money money money.the rest is bologna.period

[@korymalone6591]

I've listened to quite a few sociological, economic arguments to explain why people are having fewer kids. Toxins in our environment (plastics, phthalates etc ..) have been building up for decades and reducing sperm counts drastically.

[@Ryanrobi]

I don't think you've ever been to a poor or developing country lol They have drastically more toxins and environmental pollution. Furthermore you Don't need millions of sperm to impregnate You just need one.

[@solomongrundy1467]

The systems we've created has made us sick and unhealthy. The FDA has been approving neurotoxins for decades that cause infertility. There's many other toxic chemicals we come into contact with every day that ruins our health. The corporations don't care, they're raking in record profits.

[@s.c.johnson2484]

Are you familiar with the American Eugenics Movement? Or the other Eugenics movements of the early 1900s. That is the real secret sauce they don't tell you about. Look it up... "War Against the Weak" by Edwin Black is a great book on the topic

[@chriswatson1698]

It is only since the late 1960s, that there was a reliable and affordable method of birth control.

[@youngian]

If half as many people leads to half as many products and services produced, so what?

[@chriswatson1698]

Exactly. We need half as much stuff.

[@juanvga]

This birth crisis only applies to a few countries...in Africa the population is multiplying

[@chriswatson1698]

Yes. Africans are still selfishly and greedily overbreeding. They are invading nations whose people have reproduced at a more responsible rate.

[@beatricefrask5230]

The good thing about a smaller population, is that young educated people have a chance at getting a good job after college, and those societies tend to be kinder to their older peoole.

[@danimack38]

I don’t understand the problem? With AI and robots people should have easier lives without constant population growth

[@lyudmilasemenova8444]

Why is a declining population a bad thing it should be good we are over populated i think the problem is more the distribution of people and native tribes disappearing.

[@chrislynCK]

People always bring women’s education and access to family planning into this topic… Let’s imagine we will ban abortion and the education for women and change nothing else. Will the men be happy to support women and all the children? Don’t see many young men dreaming of becoming a head and supporter of large family nowadays. What’s in it for men apart from regular sex life, that women are unable to support themselves and cannot help with financially supporting the children. Back in the feudal days women brought dowry’s and majority of the population lived rurally. Birthrates are dropping not because of women’s access to education but because because majority of people live in big cities. Calhoun’s experiment with rodents illustrates well that population will not grow if space is limited, even if all other needs are met.

[@TheNanoNinja]

Big business still relies on growth in sales. If businesses don't grow, investors don't buy shares, or sell their shares. Any business that is in a mature market, how are they going to grow? Especially when you consider there're competitors in the same market space.

[@chriswatson1698]

Capitalism requires growth for investors. That is not sustainable. The world's population has tripled in the last 75 years.

[@TheNanoNinja]

@chriswatson1698 MY question for business is how can they grow when population is declining.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@TheNanoNinja The poor will have to be allowed to get rich enough to buy the stuff that developed nations make.

[@stephanieezat-panah7750]

I am a baby boomer, and I work as a software developer. I hope to work for another 20 years. Working, the act of getting up in the morning, getting ready for work, gets the blood flowing and the mind, active. Working in the older years is a life-saver for older people. Keep your skill sets sharp, keep your education relevant. Since employers are crying for employees, older people have more opportunities. For me, retirement is like signing my death-warrant .

[@stanleytolle416]

That needs to happen is incentivized having children and families. Like reduce the cost of schooling for women with kids. Require companies to have babies at work sites, promote women who have kids. Make being married with kids an important career advancement issue in the work place. This going to have to be a culture change pushed by the government.

[@chriswatson1698]

Raising children is a two parent task. You have to get rid of no-blame, on demand divorce. There is more to marriage than just love. There should be a marriage contract that offers compensation to the innocent party when one parent violates his or her marriage vows.

[@akasiakasya6351]

Keep putting pressure on women but nobody put pressure on healthy, capable, rich/able to afford young men who either gay or can't keep a marriage

[@ElainEmail-m7q]

When kindergarten spaces are empty but senior care spaces are in high demand, a logical choice is to appreciate older generations of their talents, skills and knowledge .... eliminate the cultural discrimination of ageism of hiring retirees so to replace the low population of young workers, and definitely offer the highest financial supports in parenting families so they can have babies.

[@greggm7917]

Boomers have sucked the life out of everything

[@zcallis1]

She straight-up lied about women with Advanced degrees having more children

[@markthornton7347]

more is better, more is better, more is better.....quality vs. quantity....rich people want more buying units...poets want more other types of life, fresher air, more thoughtful people...ecologic laws will trump man's notions....just you wait.....I didn't have offspring

[@noodlewhitley]

She is pretty cavalier about democracy.

[@beatricefrask5230]

France has had a natalist policy for 25 years and it paid off. 1.5 year off of paid maternity leave, easy and almost free child care etc.

[@Ryanrobi]

You will never get old people to vote for later retirement and less medical care from the government, therefore the only way in a democracy is to have more kids at about replacement level. Seriously is their any country that has had old people vote against their personal interests?

[@julianeyhart6219]

Immigration.

[@wamnicho]

@@julianeyhart6219 at some point, that will go out of the window because the whole world is not having kids

[@anthonycoyle2889]

Why should I pay high taxes, knowing that I will not receive any type of pension like today's boomers?

[@RedFishBlueFish-si9he]

It’s an evolutionary biology issue. Women globally have shifted from indirect resource production through their husbands to direct resource production. Both men and women prioritize survival through accumulation of resources, and as long as women directed that through a man, families formed and children were born. The Industrial Revolution began decreasing the value of children to the male as children became net costs instead of net assets. Moving the male’s work to a factory in exchange for a paycheck eliminated the female’s ability to support the male’s resource production. That collapsed the value of the female in the coupling, which then in turn collapsed cooperative coupling between men and women, which then reduces birth rate. Women working is a response to the underlying issue. But the headline here is this: the human species may not reproduce when the male and the female are both individually pursuing resource production instead of the female indirectly pursing through the male. It’s an evolutionary biology issue. The female has never in the history of humanity sought and achieved direct resource production as they are doing today, and as a result, cooperative coupling is collapsing. We can’t fix it.

[@amyself6678]

If there is woman who has 8 kids, and 3 people who have none, when the 4 retire they each will take their share of the payroll taxes of the now adult children which maybe is 20% each (so 20% x 8 is 160%/4 is 40% of current wages paid as retirement). The mother who did the work should get 160%.. . .. . I admit everyone pays property taxes for schools and families do get some tax breaks, but its the $100,000 a year of unpaid labor of wiping butts and yelling at kids that is the main contribution the parent makes. We should say childless people do not get social security and medicare. Anything else is robbing from parents.

[@RedFishBlueFish-si9he]

If you provide the economic benefits of childbearing to women, fewer men will marry. That is what is happening now. And if men don’t marry, fewer children get conceived and born. The fundamental problem is that children ceased being an economic benefit TO THE MALE of the species, and then as the female sought “partnership” model marriages, it further depressed the value of the female in the union TO THE MALE as the “partnership” model requires the male to shift from resource production to support of the female. That is the crux of the problem. There is no basis in human evolutionary history for the male supporting the female’s direct resource production. You can shift all sorts of public funds to women all you want, but that will not create any marriages. In fact, there is a ton of evidence that state handouts to women INCREASE divorce rates. Finland tracks this quite well. Paying women for their role in childcare would be a catastrophe as that would result in no additional children, while increasing divorces. The fundamental problem is that women shift to resource production when they are not able to rely on male resource production, and since the value of children collapsed, the male is disincentivized to cooperate. This puts women in a bad spot, having lost their ability to align their reproductive strategy with their resource strategy through the male, they are seeking to achieve it directly. And in doing so, marriages collapse as there is no incentive for males to marry.

[@Ryanrobi]

​@@amyself6678exactly correct, childless people figured out how to game the system to pay out more than they put in.

[@Ryanrobi]

There is a way ...stop having woman do direct accumulation. It doesn't work well for woman anyways they are all very anxious and depressed because of the stress it takes. My wife never has to work unless she wants to much happier because of the lower stress.

[@RedFishBlueFish-si9he]

@@RyanrobiWomen can’t just stop. They are switching to direct resource accumulation because the value of the children they create to the male has collapsed, and so the risk to them of the cooperative model is too high. Additionally, too many males are refusing to enter the deal since the bargain to them has historically been the children and the wife’s participating in his resource production, which no longer works. As a result, some women are attempting to create synthetic value through overt sexualization and others are switching to direct resource production (or using sexualization to create resources, unfortunately). We may be able to put social/cultural norms in place that push the female to prioritize the cooperative model, but we cannot solve for the underlying problem that the children and her labors are no longer additive to the male. Eventually, however, the institutions required to support female direct resource production will degrade and collapse as a result of female participation in them (see, e.g, the ongoing collapse of education), which will result in a massive imbalance.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

Why is this considered a crisis rather than another day?

[@keyboarddancers7751]

In the not too distant future, a pregnant woman will be a protected species.

[@PxThucydides]

Already! Gosh, people even want me to give up my seat on the bus for them. Such entitlement.

[@petersuvara]

Really love the intro video. Nice work to the editors and graphics artists!

[@kevinc2821]

Nothing would ever make me want a kid

[@batm38]

Population 📉 Environment 📈

[@fixintoboltfreely7360]

It costs $200k to raise one child. This doesn’t include college.

[@chriswatson1698]

The world is already overpopulated. Our Earth is NOT coping with human consumption and waste. Now that we are not supporting babies and their mothers, we can support the elderly instead.

[@greenthunder1000]

I don’t hate my life at all, but I wouldn’t recommend it. I certainly wouldn’t want to be born again that’s for sure, so I won’t put a child through that. I’ll leave that hell for the wealthy or the carefree.

[@kristofferandchristine9252]

If you wont have babies now just be prepared by the time you're older and the government cant afford your pension because there's no more workers to sustain the economy. For every couple, there should at least be 2 children

[@seeker816]

What you want 1 trillion population?

[@FIREownyourtime]

She mentions Singapore. In Singapore the gov regulates housing and only married couples can apply for gov subsidized housing for affordable price. They prevent ppl from selling properties for a huge profit and keep a lid on housing prices.