H-1B visas are NOT the problem (it’s you)

[@planeshaperman]

You're not competing against people with (the same, lower, higher skill). Skill is irrelevant. What's relevant is the fact that you are competing with employees with zero negotiating power, imported scabs to depress wages, locked into employeement with a single sponsor company. I want to compete against employees with equal negotiating power so we don't all get fucked by cost-cutting employer corporations.

[@randommage1]

you realize their inflexibility benefits us, right? we can easily job hop and receive salary increases, but they sadly cannot. its been this way for years, only thing thats changed is tech layoffs, so now we’re inevitably blaming a minority group as always happens in times of economic hardship

[@rcmag13]

@@randommage1 I don't think anyone is blaming H-1B visa holders for the economic hardship lol. The current tech downturn is mostly due to money not being cheap anymore and the fact that most tech companies over-hired during the pandemic. You really stretched on that one

[@randommage1]

@@rcmag13 look up the term “jeet” on Twitter or Blind, the rhetoric is disgusting. as a non-indian, i feel so bad for them

[@rcmag13]

@@randommage1 Oh, I meant the official blame. Not idiots on twitter. Yea, the public is generally stupid and doesn't do any research to know that the ACTUAL cause was overhiring and interest rates. It sucks that the current target of hate are Indians.

[@planeshaperman]

@@randommage1 That makes no sense. Did poor white farmers in the 1800s South benefit from the fact that they competed against plantations who owned slaves? Did they benefit from the fact that the slaves had no negotiating power? No, they were getting fucked. The people who benefit from slavery are the slave holders, not the working class. The people who benefit from sponsored immigrants are the shareholders, not the competing native talent. Everyone was better off when slavery was abolished. Everyone will be better off when we get rid of these Visas.

[@Lou-jf4rl]

I remember a PM at my first job asked me to review some code from an H1B team of workers. After I reviewed the code it needed some work but was a good first shot. That being said I was pretty experienced in this area of the code base /product at that point and asked the PM why not just let me redo the work and finish it the first time. His response to me was "Are you willing to work for 15 dollars an hour and no benefits?" This is verbatim what the PM said to me. So if you think this isn't about wages and think that companies are hiring purely to fill skill gaps. You're dead wrong.

[@pedrosorio9]

www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/62g-h1b-required-wage

[@randommage1]

“I’ll take things that never happened for $1000, Alex”

[@Lou-jf4rl]

@randommage1 this absolutely happened. I was also very good friends with the PM which is why he was so blunt. This is also what the H1B's were paid at that time 15 years ago. Another example Boeing out sourced the development/design of their mcas flight safety system to developers making 15 dollars an hour. The same system that caused two or more Boeing 747 max planes to swan dive straight into the ground killing all on board. This argument is absolutely over money. Companies don't care about quality or hiring "the best". If companies truly cared about hiring the "best" they would invest in domestic education and internal training. Currently, they do neither.

[@ThePandaGuitar]

It's always about money

[@kamaboko1]

Pure fiction. Let's go straight to the source of this video. Hey, CodingJesus, when you got your H1B visa sponsorship, did you work for $15/hr? I think we all know the answer to that question.

[@musashi542]

Its about lower wages .

[@Unordinary-lg4yt]

Who said you’re entitled to the current wage or more?

[@musashi542]

@@Unordinary-lg4yt not talking to you jeet .

[@jeromepowelldrip5972]

@@Unordinary-lg4yt maybe your not entitled to a certain wage, but why would anyone be for a worse job market in their own industry?

[@p3ter408]

​@@Unordinary-lg4yt You have to fight for your wages, especially if the gov is f*ckin you over.

[@TAV-j3h]

​@@Unordinary-lg4ytif it ain't 200k/year, I ain't working

[@KoltonMusgrove-ol6ev]

You completely strawmanned the arguments against H1B visas. H1B data is public, if you look at the pay rates and jobs that are being hired for, there is a huge portion that is not high-skilled labor. You shouldn't be able to hire an IT worker from a foreign nation because they do the job for 2/3rds of the prevailing wage. There is also a huge problem of cultural differences. Our nation is not merely en economic zone and we owe it to US citizens that have been here for generations to give them preference over someone that isn't from the US. The reason that our country has dominated for so long is because of our culture. We should be highly protective of it.

[@BorutoPlayedByMichaelCer-tl8bh]

The American Dream is literally the greatest cultural export ever. The idea that any person that wants to work and contribute to the country is allowed to be AMERICAN. That is the single most progressive ideal ever. You don't even understand the "culture" you're trying to protect. In the 19th century, the country was essentially open-borders. The country experienced the greatest growth in its history. Countries that are rich and prosperous are allowed to develop their culture. They do not have to worry about material constraints as much. The idea that the economy is just this "second-order" thing is fucking stupid. Trump won essentially entirely due to concerns over the economy. Also you're just lying about the H1b data. No, the median salary for an H1b is around 147k. That is fucking high-skilled. The idea that you can pay H1b 2/3 of the prevailing wage is literally illegal, moron. Look on glassdoor and see the real wages and compensation. You're so lazy that you have strong opinions of things but you can't even do basic google searches

[@cosmo1kramer]

Totally agree with you. And there is another thing not talked about Fresh Indian graduates forge their resumes showing multiple years exp. and get through back door hiring. Indian managers prefer Indian candidates. That's like another 100k jobs

[@velmurugan3139]

Can't relate at all. I went through the F1=>H1B=>GC=>Citizen path. In a TOP Graduate school in the US, I was topper of the class.... so far ahead that I couldn't even see where the second person was. I've always gotten paid top 0.5% for the career level. Always got hired by top companies. Get head-hunted constantly for more pay and higher level. My son has no academic competition in school from "many-generation" Americans. This is the kind of LEGAL immigration that Elon wants. Look the top-people in organizations like Google Brain, Microsoft Research, and NASA... Indians are overrepresented as Surgeons, Professors, and CEOs. You've got to be blind to characterize Indian Immigration as just low-wage grunts.

[@cosmo1kramer]

@velmurugan3139 the problem is most of h1b visas benefeciaries are not competent as you.

[@Joe-n4q]

@@velmurugan3139 If Indians are so fucking amazing, why did you come to the US? Why not stay in the amazing country of geniuses called India? Surely a country full of these amazing Indians would be at the forefront of technology with a ton of jobs and opportunity for everyone. Why did you come to a country built by Europeans, since India is so amazing?

[@lovejeetsingh9291]

Dude, there are many talented American born/raised software engineers who can not only have better/equivalent technical skills but also soft skills (since there isn't any language barrier) but these employers are giving a predatory-sponorship to take advantage of these skilled-immigrants by paying them less and more importantly companies are cognizant of immigrants won't leave/quit the job immediately due to high performance expectations/WLB. You're basically venting & gaslighting us by making us feel "not skilled enough" I worked in big tech for 10 years and saw the same pattern manifest itself across multiple firms. Speaking from personal experience.

[@SundarbansCompanySite]

they fear unions look how much California nurses demand they might scared of getting more unions, its not even a special skills but nurses in California want 100K for it

[@shiyiyin3403]

bro you got the 7% part wrong, the 7% is for EB greencards, H1B has no country cap, India take 70% of the H1B every year, followby china 10%.

[@CodingJesus]

Thanks for correcting. Misread. Regardless that isn’t too relevant to the broader points made.

[@RobertMGreen-f7s]

disagree. it has nothing to do with being a cracked dev. It's more about the avg person with an IT job or jr dev getting displaced by someone earning 80k due to how the H1B program is leveraged for cost cutting rather than genuinely addressing skill shortages....

[@hoangfromvietnam]

learn skills by yourself then goofball

[@Unordinary-lg4yt]

Yeah, but your argument just stems from your subjective demand of value (or what it ought to be) instead of what the market dictates it is. If someone wants to work for less thereby undercutting you, too bad.

[@hoangfromvietnam]

@ If you don’t want to replace by a skilled h1b who earned 80k/ year, you either have to get better to stay where you are or agree to get your salary reduced. It’s a mutual benefit. You still get paid. And company gets what they want. Competition is what makes the US a great country. I will truly, truly try so hard now.

[@wdvhi]

disagree. H1b's did bring in above average skills into the us, at the same time it also did attract some non skilled applicants too. My collegue is from india and gets paid 430k pure cash, this is cost cutting to you ?

[@noomade]

@@wdvhi it is cost cutting if he should be paid 830k right? (NB I am not saying I agree with the OP - just pointing out the flaw in your argument)

[@UnixBro]

Hey, bro, you are wrong. Got laid off and we will talk about that again. You interviewed many indians (foreigners) tech bro on your channel, they were not the best. Stop with your political correct answer. They are many top americans software engineers who are out of jobs right now. Why do they need to hire foreign workers ? It is all about lower wages. Let raise the minimum wage for a H1B visas at $200K et let see if these companies will advocate for it…

[@kfhahn]

Hey, Bro. You are wrong. Indians who are here on H1Bs are not the ones he interviewed. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but you should worry about improving yourself

[@notAFK911]

Or instead lets put it to a test then the h1b guy on 80k/year vs american individual who claims to have the same level of exp ?

[@moldybread6720]

sounds like communism, get better

[@wdvhi]

did you just generalize few with everyone else ? do you seriously think a really skilled guy would make time to get on a call with a random youtuber to get some guidance ? they be busy doing actual work....

[@UnixBro]

@@kfhahn , if you guys are so skilled, go ahead, be creative and develop your countries then. As for me, I have top engineering skills that you do not have. Also, why do not let high skilled pakistani engineer go and get jobs in your country ?

[@incawarrior5470]

H1B visas don't make sense when they're sold as a need due to a "shortage" in programmers, when there is clearly not a shortage... The US should simply state that the program is there to keep the country competitive.

[@dhekwucieoejduf]

I work in IT. There is not just a shortage theres an extreme shortage of competent programmers. If you are an american getting replaced by an h1b you just werent that good at your job. It is not a legacy job. You are only as good as your skills. And that is how it should be.

[@incawarrior5470]

@ there’s always a shortage for good x in y industry. “Good” means different things in different contexts, because “good” is always referenced from your average.

[@sikow6]

you’ve missed the point completely as to why the reaction towards h1-bs unfolded the way it did. if the winning administration didnt run on america-centric, american first, and american dominating, the fallout wouldnt have been so serious. its obvious that america wants cheap labor in order to improve margins and lower expenses, but importing cheaper foreign work will affect the american citizen twofold raising cost of living and further constraining the job market. youre being dishonest in your approach but i approve being hard on americans as well

[@rcmag13]

Agree. There are many facets to this too. It is a giant mess. The incoming administration ran on america first. Now they are advocating to expand H1B's which could be fine depending on how its done. However, its a little ironic to focus on that rather than some far more important issues. The worst part though, is Mr Free Speech Elon Musk is now censoring people which he said "not" censoring was the reason he bought "X". The whole thing seems like a big joke actually.

[@Forcebewithyou594]

The winning administrators don't give a fuck about the American people only corporations. This is what the people voted for, this is what they will get. This is just the beginning.

[@bearbeatsgorilla]

Its about paying people less goof.

[@Mr.Coffee576]

The thing is H1B is kind of like modern slavery in the sense that most of these H1B employees are paid at lower wages for longer hours, with employees having no room for flexibility, and more scope for being exploited. I get the whole level up thing and I’m all for it, but the debate goes beyond just skills. It’s more like these companies don’t want to hire American citizens because they can’t be exploited. But the racism against Indians was disgusting ngl.

[@rcmag13]

I agree with this 100%, unfortunately that doesn't fit the narrative of this channel and its all about get guud bro. To boil down the H1B visa thing to simply a skill issue is sort of missing the big picture. Yes, if you can't define an array, you got bigger problems and I agree with his take on that but that is about it. I mean this guy literally boils down your skill set based on whether you can define a vector or not accurately, how more misguided could a person be?

[@CodingJesus]

“Exploited” is such a loaded term. Choosing to accept a role on an H1B is made voluntary. People weight the costs and benefits and choose to take said role by definition if it’s better than what they currently have. It’s a net benefit for the worker and employer. Can certain terms of the H1B be improved? Sure. I think a longer than 60-day period post- termination if your H1B employment to find a new job before your H1B is revoked is a good start, but that doesn’t mean that it’s an exploitative visa. When I first came to the US I was also on a visa (I’ve since become a permanent resident). If I lost my employment I would have had to go back to Canada. Not once did I feel exploited or fear returning to Canada because I was confident in my ability to perform. I was treated like every other employee, American or not, and was paid the same wage they were. Y’all acting like this is the 1800s and imported labor is having their limbs lost in factory-like conditions.

[@kamaboko1]

Sorry, but your assertion that H1Bs are paid less is categorically false. Moreover, that they have to work more hours. I've recruited a lot of H1B visa candidates and I can tell you the offers they got were similar to those received by native born developers.

[@rcmag13]

@@kamaboko1 He said "most", not all. I guess you can't read. I have had the opposite experience where a company typically underpays those with H1B Visa's. Is this always the case? Of course not, but he didn't say ALWAYS. Go back and read what he said.

[@Unordinary-lg4yt]

@@CodingJesus100% agree. Exploited is the typical run to term for people who want to leverage the benefits of capitalism that’s self-serving then complain when it isn’t. If anyone is exploiting anything, it’s the current field of six figure earners compensated well beyond the median household income but want to keep others down to not get a piece of the pie.

[@InwardRTMP]

Anecdotally, EVERY SINGLE H1B worker that I have EVER MET IN MY ENTIRE LIFE has been Indian. There is no way they are 7% of H1B recipients, anyone that has ANY knowledge about H1B workers knows this.

[@Keepedia99]

70% of h1bs (no cap) granted every year are indian. 7% of employment based green cards (capped) granted every year are indian. Thus indians spend 10-30 years on h1b whereas other nationalities acquire green cards

[@mrgomelonsolaris]

Companies do not care about your performance. They care about the DIFFERENCE between the value of your performance and what they pay you. Most of the tasks are standardized and janitorial. The value usually means that there is a fixed dollar budget for task X and the solution is to hire the reasonably cheapest person that can perform the task.

[@TBO76]

more H1B in one of the worst tech markets in US history. Surely this will only make getting a job easier.

[@Lou-jf4rl]

Experienced developers get paid the same regardless of what country they are in. People who can compete on the same level as a top coder in the USA do not want to work for lower salaries. This has nothing to do with intelligence. It 100% has to do with lowering wages. Companies can't lower wages at the upper end of the employment curve but they can drag down wages overall at the lower end of the employment curve.

[@versionpatch]

3 minutes of looking at salaries in Glassdoor proves your first point wrong, largely.

[@BorutoPlayedByMichaelCer-tl8bh]

​@@versionpatch These people are genuinely like 40 IQ. They don't google basic things about stuff they hold strong convictions over. "Experienced developers get paid the same regardless of what country they are in". Are you out of your fucking mind? This is just a blatant lie LMAOO

[@Lou-jf4rl]

@@versionpatch what level of salaries? How many years of experience?

[@rcmag13]

What do you mean they get paid the same? This is factually incorrect. Maybe you meant getting paid the same based on that country's currency but this would still be largely incorrect, because certain countries don't value developers the same as the US. Your argument simply CANNOT be correct at any level. Even different countries value developers differently. The odds of all countries valuing developers the exact same across the globe is more impossible than winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning twice while standing on one leg. I am just going to assume you misspoke and didn't mean what you actually said?

[@UnixBro]

"Experienced developers get paid the same regardless of what country they are in. " That is not true.

[@CalebRox]

you've caricatured the argument from the start though. the complaint is about the fact that the H-1Bs are employed at lower wages than the natives are. there is also something to be said about the cultural fit of the people coming in and whether that is good for the country or not. The US is not just an economic zone, it's a nation with a certain culture.

[@CalebRox]

additionally, the whole point of the H-1B is to find people for jobs that are hard to find americans for... but that has been easily circumvented and abused by employers. people who are natives should definitely have the advantage... if shit hit the fan they have nowhere to run back to while all american men are registered for the draft.

[@rodrigokcc]

Do you realise there are thousands of remote workers working for thousands of American companies paying 0 tax ? There is no solution through law Be grateful that people want to move to your country and pay taxes. Check the amount of children that an American couple is having on average, it is not sustainable. The system will collapse without immigration.

[@PoooooopEater]

Fully agree with this

[@Unordinary-lg4yt]

Your concern has nothing to do with the fact that they’re employed at lower wages, but rather they are willing to be employed and work at lower wages. Most of you wouldn’t give a crap if these H1B’s working lower wages entails not impacting your own.

[@CalebRox]

@@Unordinary-lg4yt wrong.

[@James-ln6li]

Dude you took such a simplistic take on the issue. You may be working with H1Bs who are skilled. You may be working for a company/industry that needs high quality candidates and will pay for them. That is not true of every company that hires software engineers. I have worked with plenty of H1Bs that were paid well, but go look at banks and consulting firms. They higher H1B visas so that they can reduce wages. I am just going to guess you have not been in this industry long enough to have seen it yet. You will eventually.

[@DanReh]

You don't understand what you're talking about. There are talented American workers that have the skills working for American companies that take home a good salary (which they deserve). Companies will fire these people and replace them with foreign workers on h1b visas because they can pay them less and threaten them with risk of deportations. So now, they will work 12 hours if they have to, for a very low salary. If US government decides to give these workers citizenships and full labor rights, watch how quick Vivek and Elon change their tune. This has everything to do with exploiting foreign workers at the expense of American workers for profit. And no American should stand for it.

[@Toastymuffin]

I'm 100% fine with competing, but they are paying them lower, they should be paid the same as an American worker. It is race to the bottom in wages that aren't keeping up with inflation. You are simply wrong about this issue.

[@andrewbenyeogor5534]

H1B is not capped, it’s green card that’s capped

[@socalledtwin]

Agreed. But would you agree on the "lost opportunity" for people who aren't cracked yet and are willing to get good yet have to spend additional time on projects/education to showcase their skill instead of being employed as a juniors and grow through the job market? It seems like there might be alot of people hurt due to the obvious economical principles when such influxes of skilled workers occur.

[@instinctive9556]

Im all for more competition but how would I be able to compete with someone who would work 80+ hours a week making lower than average pay just so they can stay here. In theory it sounds non debatable. Why wouldn’t we want the best of the best in the us but I really doubt that’s how it’s going to go. I think many companies will abuse and have been abusing these visas. But just like you said if you’re cracked then you will be in demand. All you can do is work on your own skills and stop wasting time about things that’s not in your control.

[@snxpple]

This is the correct take. There is nothing wrong with importing exceptional talent, and certain companies will pay market wages for the best talent regardless of their visa status. However, most companies will hire mediocre foreign talent willing to work for below-market wages to cut costs. The whole point is to fill talent gaps, not lower the market wage for the native population.

[@3227998]

Exactly! And how many people are really cracked? Are we talking about outliers? There are not that many of them.

[@rcmag13]

@@snxpple agree with this take. However, I do thing there is something wrong with hiring the best talent from other countries. We (the US) seem to always be concerned with humanitarian aid etc. I believe the best and the brightest should really stay in their country and help the country that they are in. The most talented would have the best shot of being able to improve their own country. Instead, we bring them to our country, doing a disservice to the country we pulled them from.

[@cw5948]

Ironic that this is coming from the guy that took over a year to get his quant job.

[@Dblup]

He’s unemployed currently.

[@RandomGaiijin]

What’s ironic about that besides you just wanting to take a shot? Was he blaming visas or other immigrants during that time? Or did he not have the skill set, which he developed to get the job, like he said people need to do?

[@KerncBurns]

America is not just an economic zone

[@DavidBreneisen]

Had my team laid off and replaced by low skill offshore employees. Now I have to go through drawn out code reviews, fix everything for them, do QA myself because the offshore QA let's junk through, and decipher and correct the broken English. Maybe the fake story point metrics that they game go up so management thinks it's working.. Yesterday one of them tried to tell the product owner that it was impossible to make the text on a colored button white instead of black because it was using a light theme. This is in an application with colored buttons with white text all over it. The problem isn't that Americans can't compete with them (although maybe that's becoming true as the educational institutions have declined), but that the people doing layoffs and hiring think they are getting a bargain price. In reality, if foreign labor was just as skilled then they would be looking for the same compensation. That's just basic economics.

[@BurninVinyl]

Yeah it's you (americans) who don't want to work for a bowl of rice and "available at 3am" (quote from E.M.).

[@jaysworld707]

Stick to coding bro. State crafting is not your territory

[@tacticaltaco7481]

Generally I am in favor of something like computer science to be cut-throat, however after deindustrialization it is basically forced upon Americans that most of them have to upskill in order to stay above water. It is not "fair-market capitalism" and is in fact very centrally managed. The reason immigration is so heavily used is not because of merit but because they can be more easily managed institutionally and the companies who hire them don't have to pay for their cost of living due to the state supporting them with prepaid debit cards of tax-payer money. I don't know the extent to which that happens with H1B, it might be less in that regard but it is not as simple and straight-forward as saying it is merit-based capitalism. In the end I agree with your view that it is not H1B's which software engineers have to be worried about. It is really remote-work offshoring that they are going to have to compete with.

[@chrisE815]

I worked for a small health insurance company. Everything was fine software engineer wise but management kept bringing in more and more Indians. These contractors never got much done because it takes years, not months to learn our systems and business. They knew health insurance and software engineering- I won't deny that. Management was trying to sell the company and portray to the buyer that the software engineers were cheap and disposable. A couple years later, the company was sold and nearly all the software engineers (H1Bs included) were laid off. Point is, it's about short term profits, not quality code. The MBAs don't get it until it's too late.

[@roganl]

The problem with the H1B is that it's indentured servitude and can still be paid less that market rate here in silicon valley... so it's good for business owners, they get a compliant/mollified employee for cheap. They're not able to unionize and they can't complain to their employer... They aren't planning on making their life here, and are shipping their earning offshore via real estate and investment holdings back home in India. The problem with the policy is that it's anti-employee, anti-competitive, anti-democratic, and just a smidge hypocritical...

[@hovat]

Can we quit pretending that all of these H1Bs are qualified? Your entire rant here is like “they’re all qualified and you aren’t” Asinine take

[@huntingdragon4107]

22 million illegal immigrants in usa still people are crying about future graduated legal immigrant, crazy

[@godcomplex8251]

Thank you for your in-depth response to my question yesterday. I was watching your video on the cons on investment banking the other day, and I remember you mentioning being a cog in the machine and having to do work that does not feel impactful (work for the sake of doing work) as some of the cons. While I support healthy competition, I believe the type of competition that would be created by importing cheap H1Bs leads to the same kind of toxic work environment. Hope you reconsider your views.

[@LaudyWoof]

There is an absurd demand for H1B visas in Europe; current lottery is made to "restrict" the outflow of european talent.

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

I dont live in the US. I have 2 years of experience as dev in the Netherlands, coming from Greece. Since I speak dutch, i have the edge against foreigners, since most job postings are in Dutch and have less than 100 applicants, and nowadays companies prefer only Dutch speakers. But the other day, I search for dev jobs in the US, and all the job postings had over 100 applicants which might even mean 2000! I cant imagine how impossible is to get a job there! Like, you need a relative inside the company to get hired! US is on another level, it is not about skills anymore! Jesus

[@Dawsatek22]

i got a question i am a self taught dutch programmer trying to break into the dutch tech industry. do you might have a idea what would be a reasonable negotiating price for a junior developer might be in 2025?

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

@Dawsatek22 if i had no experience, i would just focus on getting a job and stay there for at least 1 year no matter what. The first job is the hardest to get in any part of the world. Then, once I'd start building negotiable power, I would search over the salaries and demand accordingly. Since you are dutch you have the edge over other candidates for entry level positions.

[@Dawsatek22]

@@ArisAris-fs1ip Dankjewel voor het advies het helpt

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

@Dawsatek22 Graag gedaan collega

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

UBI is going to be really important soon.

[@ezswan]

My guy, they just laid off thousands of engineers because of, "ai," and now are saying, "there aren't enough skilled engineers...." CALL THE ONES YOU JUST LAID OFF.

[@louiso1477]

ppl be like "hire americans! if they're not skilled enough, train them!" and then also want to gut the department of education and dont believe in going to college

[@CalebRox]

lol, dept of education has been a total failure.

[@TAV-j3h]

The Department of education is woke

[@thetruth65756]

lmfao, bro is brainwashed

[@atlfun08]

@@CalebRoxHow is it a failure? Are you a failure?

[@joof38955]

Department of Education does not teach you anything you need to know to get a job. College barely does

[@greenteadisease]

Damn, your logic got roasted in the comments lol

[@threeone6012]

Question) What kind of person wants more competitors? Answer) A naive one.

[@dolphin916]

H-1b = Competing against people of similar skill that will work for less (they also pull in 80+ hr work weeks due to desperation in order to try to increase their employment). U.S. workers can't win that. So basically it just translates to less jobs for Americans. Real purpose is to offer lower wages compared to what they would offer u.s. based citizens. Also prevailing wages are simply averages so basically they spend less for a high end job compared to a u.s. based worker. End of the day it's about saving money. Now when it comes to extreme skill gaps, that's where the O-1 Visa could make sense. H1-Bs are no good because employers use those to get people with the same skill to save more money. It's not a skill related thing. It's cost related. Simple.

[@zikos8196]

trust me as an indian i also don't want to be h1b indenture slave either(i am not in usa) its just that when you come from a country where per capita income is 3k usd 80k usd sounds really lucrative and exploiters of this system are on both sides. as for possible solution make the minimum wage for h1b to atleast 140k usd and make it mandatory for atleast have post graduate specialisation in a us university(because that's what specialised skill is meant to be)!!! more than 80 percent of h1b's will be gone. you can make exception for europeans though since there is "cultural similarities" there!!! As again i say immigration is previlege not a right It's for americans to decide which kind of people you let in and which you don't!!

[@marcusgenz4020]

I like your honesty.

[@gibson_smiles]

It’s a question of wage depression, talent is not even any part of the equation. You can look at Eric Weinsteins tweets about the NSF’s policy turn for PhDs in the 80s.

[@gee2190]

your are from india..thats for sure

[@Fhsjajwvhqajdbwh]

i think he mentioned having israeli roots

[@sunnydays405]

His name is Tomer, he’s Israeli/Jewish

[@toptech2335]

Just to correct you...there's no country cap on H1Bs. The country cap you're talking about is related to the Green Card...and that's the reason Indians have to wait for decades now to get their Green Cards since theres a 7% cap and because there are so many of them. The majority of H1Bs (Around 70%+) go to Indians...so you're telling me of all the people in the entire world...Indians are apparently the smartest? No, it's because these big Indian consulting companies game the system...apply for multiple H1Bs for a single person...and bring over people from India and underpay them. Google 'Indian companies' like Tata Consultancy.

[@JustJoshinYouBro]

Voted trump in 16, 20, and 24. I'm a ultra maga supporter. I'm all for tariffs. But these visas are not good. The H-1B visa program undermines the free market by creating an uneven playing field that disadvantages American workers. Many H-1B recipients graduate debt-free from subsidized education systems abroad, allowing them to accept lower-paying jobs. In contrast, Americans often take on massive student debt-sometimes exceeding $150,000-forcing them to prioritize higher-paying roles to survive. Employers exploit this disparity, using H-1B workers as cheaper labor, which drives down wages and makes it harder for Americans to compete. This system not only suppresses wages but also exacerbates inequality and weakens opportunities for U.S. workers trying to support their families.

[@AindriuMacGiollaEoin]

Most countries have a skilled visa program, upskilling is a must

[@JimBarcelona]

H1B is a red herring. Offshoring that already happened is the issue.

[@randommage1]

if you grew up in the US (especially in more affluent areas), you had a massive head start on everyone else. if you are a software engineer and are afraid of H1-B visa holders taking your job, please look inward.

[@t.walker3101]

America isn’t just the economy, it’s also the people and culture that we have that the rest of the world aspire to, if these people are so “high-skilled and talented” why don’t they make their countries so great? I am a currently employed software engineer (have been for 3+ years) btw so you can’t just say I’m a complaining midwit.

[@richastronaut]

"why don’t they make their countries so great". Cuz they are just workers bro. To fix things you need money, power and influence, not just raw technical skill.

[@mihaly1027]

The relatively few highly skilled & talented cannot (or at least only at a great cost can) fix the institutional problems of their own country in the face of strong government intervention, corruption, & a majority of the populace there that either don’t care or don’t see the problems at hand & end up continuing support of the very things that hinder progress there. Swimming against the tide is likely to get u nowhere.

[@mihaly1027]

Also I agree not everything is the economy (in a narrow sense only), culture does matter & there certainly non faulty arguments to be made against completely open borders & flooding a country with immigrants that don’t necessarily share the same cultural values & can end up shaping the culture in the wrong way & therefore institutions & ultimately the economy (it’s not so divided up as ppl seem to think between economy & everything else) But that’s not exactly what most ppl are arguing, at least in a sophisticated manner

[@rodrigokcc]

I live in Brazil, probably next year I will be going back to Europe because Brazil is becoming a dictatorship and there's nothing I can't do to prevent this. There is no such thing as fixing a country, the only thing I can do is buy bitcoin and leave for a better place. Sometimes I work as a recruiter and there aren't enough people to work in the USA, especially in health. If you find a physical therapist in San Francisco I will write a check of 1k. Currently most people don't want to have a job, don't know what they do to make a living. Also people are picking IT, but it's really not a good sector to work in terms of salary and the amount of energy you need to put to learn. For instance Accounting is much better, and the interview process is much easier.

[@t.walker3101]

@@Mike-daAmerica is great because White Americans have made it that way. The rest of the world aspires to come to America precisely because of White culture, at which point (most of them) fail to assimilate properly and eek out their own cultural enclaves. This doesn’t advance American culture nor do these people respect the sacrifices my family members made to make this country great.

[@t.walker3101]

you’re going back bro

[@ST-pq4dx]

He is not h1b. Lmao

[@realguy9152]

uh oh stinky....

[@Joe-n4q]

Coding Jesus, id love to see YOU go to India and do as well there as you do here. Seriously bro, you just made a video about how wrong you were about the job market. Own that shit and realize that you might be wrong about this issue.

[@uncleleroy.4862]

we don’t want to move to singapore or anywhere else.

[@poweralgos7540]

This channel deserve 1mio subs

[@t.walker3101]

this video couldn’t be more wrong, it should be titled “angry h1b holder speaks out against White Americans who wish for their country to remain White”

[@Nimbus2k_rider]

Is he on h1b?

[@atharvparlikar8765]

get better lil bro

[@galaxyone9222]

No, he‘s an American citizen.

[@TAV-j3h]

What's wrong with that, all I want is to go back to good old days, anyways MAGA

[@jimbocho660]

​@@TAV-j3h The good old days when 'American' meant an Englishman not a Southern or Eastern European?

[@metalgearrocketarm]

Look how many jobs in the H1B database are paid 70k...wtf...highly skilled?

[@GrieferStudios]

This guy keeps yapping about all his quant experience, by that logic why is he shilling his patreon and “coaching” if he’s making the big bucks at a quant firm? Doesn’t make sense in the slightest from a time perspective

[@3227998]

This video is full of logical fallacies. To give you one, i.e. the world is not globalising. The North America and Western Europe is globalising. And we can already see clearly in Western Europe to what kind of downfall this globalization lead. Let that think in if you want the same in the USA.

[@angaatkeeda7971]

I'm curious to know your concept of globalization. Also, please do take some time to understand the nuances of and differences between globalization and immigration, before you choose to reply. Expecting an intelligent response here, if you're capable of producing one..

[@leofang2543]

don't wanna make any comment on this. but I think this comment section shows why was trump elected as the president lol

[@Antagnzt]

Someone finally said it

[@FauxyPoo]

Compare what he says here to what he said in Nov last year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJOpf6KjqLinr7M These are the only 2 videos I've watched but, first impression-wise, looks like he's one of the guys that will rush to defend whatever Elon or Vivek says, even when it contradicts what he personally has experienced. Personally I believe CS is oversaturated and hella competitive. And because CS has an appealing mirage, too many people hope to google "how to code" and make 6 figures in a year. But those people are not the topic of conversation here. At the end of the day, we are competing for a job. If someone overseas has the same skillsets as me, yet is willing to work for less, the profit motive dictates that I will lose. That is unfair and antithetical to meritocracy and the "America 1st" attitude Elon and Vivek seem to hold.

[@ryanthompson3446]

Yea no you’re just wrong, you’re coming from a place that has an interest in protecting h 1b and your arguments against miss the point. Half of these h1b hires directly lead to white men being fired simply because the company can pay the Indian less and will get no complaint about it, because they all live together in 1 house and therefore have less expenses per housemate than the white guy that just got fired, oh and those h1bs tend to be way under qualified for the job they just stole, this is my first hand experience I have seen this many times myself, it’s horrible it’s wrong and no one wants it.

[@bennihana2422]

The idea of having to actually be skilled to get a high salary is baffling to a lot of you mfs

[@joof38955]

its not a conversation about high salary... its about having a job at all

[@t.walker3101]

H1Bs haven’t been used for high skill immigrants ever those are J1 or F1 visas, H1Bs are basically indentured servants Why should Americans have to compete with the rest of the world for jobs, housing, healthcare etc etc etc? No other countries allow immigration at such a scale, in India you cannot even own property if you don’t become a citizen but somehow it’s racist for White people to want to do that.

[@rcmag13]

While I agree with this comment "in general", I think it kind of misses the entire point of the h1-b discussion to begin with.

[@musashi542]

h-1bs are just going to lower the salary .

[@ST-pq4dx]

​@@musashi542h1bs have been here since 1990. The SWE salaries went up

[@fadedsedated]

hypothetically, how does a UK citizen maximise their chances of getting an H1B, to land a job in Robot Learning in the US? If I should get a Masters degree, which universities (other than the obvious top 2) are looked upon favourably?

[@yjc149]

well said, jesus.

[@markolazar2149]

these people hate you, never forget that

[@hbbhbhh]

Hello princess 👸

[@ImperialCityNord]

Yes, they are.

[@Phsoco]

To be fair, why would I hire some entitled local who believes they deserve job preference simply for being born in the US? Get better skills and try harder at university if you're so scared of losing out to someone from oversees. If you're a local and don't even know what a .csv file is or what malloc returns, you deserve to be unemployed. It's like applying for an accounting role and not knowing what an asset or a liability is.

[@joof38955]

prove that overseas labor know these things and don't carry any sense of entitlement

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Unfortunately, a lot of them are too dumb. No matter how hard they work they won’t be able to compete with smart people from other countries. UBI will be needed for these people or life isn’t going to be very fun for those of us who are employed.

[@jeremyc1939]

So naive, it’s painful

[@scotthicks1795]

If we're talking Indian H1Bs at a medium sized company...yes, they live together in apartments because they send remittances to their families. I thnk this makes sense because they have a multi-generational dwelling waiting for them when they return. I view Indians hiring other Indians partly as sympathy. I watched as a company let my boss's paperwork lapse on purpose, my boss almost get divorced, think he was having a heart attack, and have to return briefly to India. Their former founder, a wealthy Indian guy, started a new business, in part, just to hire all of those guys and fix their paperwork. Were they good? Well, they would line up 12 people deep at the table of the one cracked Indian dev who could recreate a competitor's product in a month. So, they were no worse than average.

[@altricad5358]

Waited for this banger to drop ever since i saw that manbaby Elon's meltdown

[@vondernacht]

No, it's you. Get lost.

[@afiasheikh416]

Read the reasons behind the latest air plane crash in korea. Indians coders r responsible for the system failure as well as Indian equipment installed in the plane whcih didn't work as it shld be.

[@valdomero738]

Its not about the H-1b visa. All jeets have to go back.

[@angaatkeeda7971]

You sure you we can afford that?

[@galaxyone9222]

I love reading these triggered comments. Definitely going to get a H1B now.😂😂

[@rodrigokcc]

Funny thing is they don't have a clue there is tons of remote workers in LATAM working for American companies and paying 0 tax. Lol They should demand that people live in the USA

[@galaxyone9222]

@@rodrigokccSame in India. Many US and EU companies have outsourced many tasks, especially in coding. So if they want to make it cheaper and make sure they dont pay much in salaries, they will do it.

[@m783w]

Shilling at its finest

[@louiso1477]

based

[@galacticstarlord1]

Absolutely. Someone who posts the truth rather than posting for likes

[@MasamuneX]

sarr redeem citizenship for 15$/hr sarr please redeem

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

Why don't you stay in India if you guys got it all going on make India great agian.

[@galaxyone9222]

„They took our Jerb!!!“ 🪵