浩劫重生 ［第一集：挪亞洪水］陳崇基牧師 - 主日講道視頻系列

[@UrbanVoice]

感謝陳漢儀姊妹 (Phoebe Chen)配上繁/簡中文字幕，在 KZbin按 CC 便可。如有錯漏，煩請告知。

[@adelinekwan9045]

Amen🙏

[@margaret138]

謝謝陳牧師在這課題上提醒我們要注意洪水的意義, 而不是在史實和証據上去連番掙扎；看見現今COVID-19疫情全球氾濫成災, 就更要去積極面對神要我們去尋找當中的意義, 而不是為保護一口氣奮力掙扎求存度日, 卻是如陳牧師的個人分享, “我知道我往祢那裏去”, 就知道神要我們如何在疫情中度日子. 謝謝陳牧師的禱文和結尾那感人的詩歌. 讚美主, 讓我們能投靠在祂的蔭下, 主永遠坐著為王. Amen 🙏

[@summerpeggycheung]

謝謝陳牧師🙏 願你分享祝福更多人。Hong Kong

[@stephyhuie]

Thank you for sharing Pastor Mark. What a blessing to have you explain on this topic. You make the bible reading fun and exciting. Thank you for doing all the research!!!

[@allywong2174]

谢谢牧師的分享及提醒！

[@katlynrtlambsl4998]

Interesting findings and reserach . helpful to understand teaching , Thsnk you

[@kathrynhong6417]

非常感謝陳崇基牧師的考古研究與聖經分享，不可置疑，天地萬物皆是上帝的創造，祂永遠坐著為王， 掌管一切。

[@paulinec5420]

Dear Pastor Mark, What about the findings of Ron What 's finding on the ark, was it false?Also Roy What videoed the Mt Sinai at Saudi Arabia, was it worth considering?

[@paulinec5420]

Sorry, Ron Wyatt, typo Pauline from HK

[@marksir100]

@@paulinec5420 Very grateful that you are an attentive Bible reader. It is very unfortunate that most of Ron Wyatt's findings were not subject to peer review, and if they did, the findings were concluded to be questionable. As the location of Mt Sinai being in Saudi Arabia (instead of Sinai Pennisula), the only textual argument is Galatians 4:25 where Mount Sinai is said to be in "Arabia." But in the first-century Roman period (in Paul's time), "Arabia" refers to the region east of the Nile Delta all the way to the Persian Gulf. In other words, Paul's "Arabia" is not the same as modern "Saudi Arabia". Paul would have understood the Sinai Penisula and Arabian Peninsula. Hope this helps. Again, grateful for your attentive reading of the Bible.

[@saiyiyi]

陳牧師，真心感謝你無私的教導。今天看到挪亞方舟只是地區性洪水，我也明白了當時的人看地球是平面的，但創世紀22節又清楚寫下“everything that breathed and lived on dry land died"。聖經是神默示的，“地區性洪水”這個發現真的令我很困惑啊，是說聖經寫的不是真實嗎？🙏

[@marksir100]

多謝你尋根究底。聖經可以用＂普世性＂語言來表達局部的事件的。其他近東文獻也如是，例如帝王自稱是全地的主。＂全部"或"全地"等描述可以指當事人所知的世界。最明顯的是創41:57, 原文是"全地的人都到埃及去。。。因為全地的饑荒都非常嚴重。＂在約瑟的時期，沒有發生全球饑荒，只是局部本地的饑荒，或當時人所知世界的饑荒。（另外見申2:25也用＂普世＂的字眼形容本地發生的事）。此外，創6:4說，在那些日子和以後的日子，有巨人在地上；也暗示了。這是修辭的問題，經文可以用普世語言來修飾形容事件。修辭不等於是假的，只要釋經者不去以現代人字面解經便可。 有人可指出耶穌提到挪亞的日子有如主降臨的日子一樣（路 17:26-27），所以反證挪亞洪水必然是全球，因為人子再來必然是全球。但是查實路加的上下文，指的不是指出洪水的範圍，而是指出世人吃喝嫁娶，沒有警醒時主便突然回來，針對的不是洪水是否全球， 而是人是否警醒。所以洪水是全球，還是所知世界，在這段經文完全沒問題。 所以根本沒有全球洪水的證據，這不足為奇。最後，經文目的也不是提供細節，讓讀者可以重構當時洪水的事件。更重要的是，神啟示的中心不是在經文背後的歷史事件，而是經文本身。經文才是神的啟示。所以即使洪水不是全球，經文的神學意義仍是普世的。希望有點幫助，謝謝你

[@saiyiyi]

@@marksir100 謝謝陳牧師在百忙中也抽空詳細解答我的疑問，我開始get到了，會多看幾次你的回覆，確保清楚明白，謝謝你🙏🙏

[@mcfung2054]

謝謝陳牧師的事奉使我得到提醒😇

[@user-tm6kv7du6u]

謝謝陳牧師在聖經的考古，極為用心.力.性，對我很受用，也常常成為我分享的資料來源，在此深表感謝。只是最近的陳牧師的(聖地網上行.方舟考古...)都是廣東話，抱歉.我都聽不懂.....，在此有一個不請之求....是否有中文字幕(或是用AI自動翻譯)，讓更都的華人可以受益....當然這需要時間及資源，但是吾等可以期待和等待，願神大大使用您的服事，讓更多的神的兒女被神.遇見.摸著....進而委身，甚願神大大的賜福給您

[@UrbanVoice]

正在努力當中，第二三四集已有字幕。

[@user-ci7nh5xj8i]

Thanks !

[@paulinec5420]

TKS, Pastor Mark for yr direction on the Red Sea Crissi g and useful links, TKS so much. Pauline from HK

[@klexwhkwok8253]

首先！我必須澄清我是教徒，老實但對於陳牧師關於聖經洪水記述目的果部分有啲會讓人( 包括信徒 ) 跌倒！

[@kpbleung]

「舟八口，舟八口，舟八口」Thx for helping me out of that eternal loop

[@paulinec5420]

Dear Pastor Mark, So even the findings of the Red Sea and all the artifect s by Ron Wyatt are questionable, then? Video s shoed chariot remains inside the coral at the bed of the Red Sea sight he videoed, right? So the Israelites crossed at Reed Sea , a shallow sea, but then how the water would be enough to drown the Egyptian armies le? I am v puzzled. The reason I want to find out more is I face challenging questions from my three young adults and a hubby that gone through a Bible course in a local seminary 35yrs ago. Each time I show them some findings, I will face challenges. TKS for keep on replying my questions, TKS so much

[@paulinec5420]

Dear Pastor Mark How could we explain it was a local flood or a regional flood, as God asked Noah to get all animals, seeds into the ark?sorry, So many questions Pauline

[@marksir100]

​@@paulinec5420 Pauline, thanks for your many questions. The "chariots" have been debunked. As mentioned, Wyatt's findings had never been peer-viewed. You may check out many available comments by professional archaeologists, such as Joe Zias of IAA: www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html. As to the location of Reed Sea, the best archaeological study has been done by Dr. James Hoffmeier (evangelical Egyptologist, former teacher of mine at Wheaton, now at Trinity). Yes, the shallow reed sea has been proposed by many to be to the location of Israelite's crossing. But today's reed sea is swallow because the Suez Canal built in the 19th century had drained most of the deep lagoons. On top of that, the Suez canal area, northern shore of Sinai and the eastern Delta have undergone significant environmental changes. One must go back to the 2nd millennium BCE historical geography at the time of Exodus. Hoffmeier's valuable research reconstructs the ancient environment of the Reed Sea area, concluding that the Suez canal area was dotted by deep lagoons. The famous Israelite sea-crossing probably happened at the Ballah Lakes, now completely drained and gone. Some preliminary geoarchaeological studies estimated the water of the lakes was at least 20 feet. In this region of lagoons, the remains of a harbor with boat-docking quays were uncovered, indicating that 2000 years ago a lake large enough to handle trading vessels flourished (note it was 2000 years ago - the first century; Exodus brings us back another 1500 years when the paleoenvironment could have been different, hence more archaeological research is required). Hoffmeier's book Ancient Israel in Sinai is one of the best. Also see his lecture: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2PZmaWBa7yWsNU

[@marksir100]

@@paulinec5420 These are very good questions. The first principle of interpreting ancient Scripture is to first understand how the ancient audience would have understood the text. I brought up the ancient Babylonian world map to illustrate further the ancient and biblical world would not have understood a global flood. They perceived the world as a flat disc. The Bible does not teach a flat earth, though. However, the Bible was first communicated in the ancient context with ancient cosmological concepts in mind. But no matter the flood is regional, it doesn't affect the universal global theological message of the biblical narrative. Hope this helps and i certainly hope to address this sort of questions in the future messages or live talks. Thanks again for your enlightening comments.

[@user-hb6hj4vh7k]

六百歲，有人會六百歲？

[@UrbanVoice]

謝謝留言, 當然不可以我們現代人字面實數來理解, 可以參考陳牧師的其他背景解釋 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3arkqmmhK92b9E

[@kinlaw3734]

牧師的聲線太低，故咬字不清，很多字聽不清楚，只能靠猜，美中不足。

[@peterchen5460]

很清楚啊!你把声音开大些就好!

[@sll8753]

如果洪水只發生在米索畢大亞平原(Mesopotamia),並非全球性～～「我要將我所做的人、走獸⋯都從地上除滅」 何必做方舟！動物何需一對對走上船？ ！ 只需要動物大遷徙，去其他遠離米索不達平原就可以了 人類也不用滅亡，只要遠離洪水就得了 其實方舟就是預表上帝的拯救--除了耶穌以外，沒有別的拯救 想想：如果聖經有真有假，就如某些測試制有真有假（ 50%準確），大家不如打賭公或字算了！