Eric Robi & Michael Perklin August 1st--4th, 2013 Rio Hotel & Casino • Las Vegas, Nevada
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@Kenazzle9 жыл бұрын
That CP one was actually horrifying because it meant without the work of these two brilliant analysts that poor guy would have been found guilty along with all the stigma that goes along with being a known paedophile. That guy's life was literally on the edge of the knife.
@thethreeheadedmonkey9 жыл бұрын
Kenazzle Metaphorically.
@Kenazzle9 жыл бұрын
thethreeheadedmonkey Literally a metaphor.
@thethreeheadedmonkey9 жыл бұрын
It's settled then, his life was literally metaphorically on a knife's edge.
@CeeEm-MoT9 жыл бұрын
thethreeheadedmonkey Actually, prison is pretty damned bad for pedophiles. Prisoners are a nasty bunch in general, but pedophiles get the absolute worst of the hate among other prisoners. So his life very well could have been literally on the edge of a knife, even if it was just a prison shank.
@thethreeheadedmonkey9 жыл бұрын
Prison shanks usually have tips, not edges, Captain Megapedantic.
@esper46059 жыл бұрын
best wiping pattern ever.
@LaskyLabs5 жыл бұрын
fuck you
@NigelNquande4 жыл бұрын
411 Y0|_|Γ B453 4Γ3 B310|\|9 70 |_|5?
@fostxswire16004 жыл бұрын
When you want them to check the unallocated space.
@whetfaartz66854 жыл бұрын
@@NigelNquande ur base belng to deez nutz
@SirBoopBoop4 жыл бұрын
Would anyone be courteous to explain to me what that meant please? I just got into DEFCON. I get that it's funny but I don't understand enough to know why lol.
@B.D.B.7 жыл бұрын
I wiped my drive at my former employer simply because I had all my passwords saved and I didn't want anything left behind. Kinda scary to think that could have been enough to prove I stole anything and bankrupt me, ruining my future for ever.
@jermainerace41565 жыл бұрын
By itself that is not enough, I wouldn't think. But if your new company started doing business with a lot your old companies clients, or started using a technique pioneered by your old company, then maybe.
@darkspace57625 жыл бұрын
You should always separate work and regular accounts and never connect your devices to corporate wifi. Your employer doesn't trust your devices that you bring from home, they assume you have all kinds of crap and spyware on it, and you shouldn't trust their network either
@nonnymoose70055 жыл бұрын
But your hard disk wiping software didn't leave examiners a convenient note expressing your intent to fight them...
@BlueEyesWhiteTeddy5 жыл бұрын
Just because that is the pattern used doesn't mean jack shit. I found it pretty funny so why wouldn't i use that or similar patterns?
@nonnymoose70055 жыл бұрын
Nothing is stopping you from doing that. It would definitely make you look bad in front of a jury though.
@BenjaminAshmead6 жыл бұрын
this is pretty interesting, but goddamn, these guys are some turbonerds
@technosteed46445 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they shouldn't try so hard to push gags.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
OK, let's see, @@technosteed4644, gimme an example.
@shimlaDnB5 жыл бұрын
they're just a bit uncomfortable with speaking for hundreds of people that are experts in their exact fields. Please try anything like this and i'll happily call you a turboNerd while you're doing it
@X4Alpha4X5 жыл бұрын
i think its just a product of the time, this kind of humor was really prevalent in 2013
@therealb8885 жыл бұрын
@@shimlaDnB lol looks like ur a fucking nerd too!, STFU and be normal!
@SirDamned9 жыл бұрын
Which one should I drink from? "yes"
@Yuzuki13378 жыл бұрын
+Moo Good answer
@Alexmagno77 жыл бұрын
Moo xddd
@Niels_kist7 жыл бұрын
Moo i
@MajkaSrajka6 жыл бұрын
He is clearly the man of culture.
@Phantomagix5 жыл бұрын
That's what people say when they drink alcohol for the first time in their lives.
@DanielLopez-up6os2 жыл бұрын
One of my Favourite Defcon Talks that i keep cming back to when i need a laugh.
@TheColourAwesomer6 жыл бұрын
The banter between the two for drinking a single beer is excruciating.
@DerekMartell5 жыл бұрын
I think working in legal forces a character of down-to-earth simpleness, with an easy to digest, 1:1 concepts-to-application kind of speaking and presentation. We're supposed to see their logic, they act as stewards for us. Imagine public speaking when your job is literally public speaking but people's liberties and lives are on the line. Lmao
@lonelylongdistancekiller98444 жыл бұрын
@@DerekMartell wtf dude stop posting this lol.
@asdfghyter10 жыл бұрын
Defcon - the drinking game
@karelmirim55475 жыл бұрын
For entire family!
@condormusicman3 жыл бұрын
42:12
@renakunisaki7 жыл бұрын
Wait, you gave the guy crap for having Nickelback albums, but he didn't! They were just porn renamed so nobody would open it!
@mipmipmipmipmip7 жыл бұрын
Rena Kunisaki Actually pretty smart social engineering, most people when seeing 'Nickelback' would just giggle and look further.
@adrenaline199 жыл бұрын
Who needs Big Bang Theory when you have real-life awkward nerds like these guys.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
You do, just for not understanding what question marks are for and how to use them.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
@Sean Price: Actually, _you_ are the one who's wrong. If it's a rhetorical *question,* then it's still a *question,* and thus still requires a *question mark* to be... well, not grammatically (since that's just about sentence structure), but _punctuationally_ correct (and thus, linguistically correct for English, which includes other things like grammar and spelling). What questions of rhetoric don't require are _explicit answers_ from the person or people that the *questions* (with *question* marks) are posed to.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
@Sean Price: Uh, yes. Your last reply shows that you're clueless about how it works.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
@Sean Price: Oh, you just complimented yourself. How cute!
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
Dumb @Sean Price, when you were talking about imagination, you weren't talking about me, because you connected that to a child. So naturally you were just talking about yourself! But thanks for backpedaling now to correct yourself about your trashy imagination. Just because someone's correct doesn't mean they're "arrogant" like you are. So-called "grammar book," meet dictionary! rhetorical question: A question asked solely to produce an effect or to make an assertion and not to elicit a reply, as “What is so rare as a day in June?” What's that thing right at the end of the question the dictionary shows, just before the quotation mark?
@thegardenofeatin59655 жыл бұрын
Ugh this is back when everyone was yelling "fail" all the time.
@Jack-sy6di4 жыл бұрын
I think even by 2012 it was pretty lame
@guitarer994 жыл бұрын
bro you just posted fail
@userPrehistoricman4 жыл бұрын
And the audience are annoying. DEFCON has changed
@larshassing39384 жыл бұрын
I usually read some of the comments before starting the video. I saw this, and thought; " wtf has that to do with anything, what about the content?" I am now 6 and half minute in, and... I... see why you wrote that. Jesus Christ
@patemathic3 жыл бұрын
good times
@57thorns4 жыл бұрын
The last one was brutal, but is also shows just how horribly bad things can go when you have the wrong people against or for you. That poor guy basically had to uproot his whole life and start fresh, which a few million dollars might help with but it is mostly just a small help getting started.
@gerff018 жыл бұрын
I do have a problem with case #1. If this is all of the evidence they had against him, there is no way he should have been found guilty, at all. They can tell you deleted something, okay, but without KNOWING what was deleted and unrecoverable they have nothing but speculation. I am hoping there was actual evidence to base the verdict on, but the way the legal system works in this country now, it is actually very possible that they did not and used the sole fact that he deleted something unknown to base their decision on.
@DoubleM558 жыл бұрын
+Gerff Exactly, maybe he had pictures of himself naked or his gf naked, and he knew that they would look at his drive and he wiped that data. Not cool if that's why he got in trouble...
@chopinbloc8 жыл бұрын
Remember, it's a work computer and a civil case so they may only need to prove he violated policy by a preponderance of the evidence. Destroying data may be a violation of company policy.
@gerff018 жыл бұрын
The Chopping Block May and Might are not facts, were any of these stated in their case? Making assumptions isn't contributing.
@chopinbloc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you should stop making assumptions.
@gerff017 жыл бұрын
What kind of ridiculous bullshit has been fed into your mind as a child? If they don't know what it was, they cannot know it was evidence.
@jeffreyblack6665 жыл бұрын
Maybe the RDP guy was clever, connecting to a first computer with RDP without his printers, then sharing the printers of the subsequent machine?
@javabeanz85495 жыл бұрын
Seems like there should be a subtitle of "Don't use Windows, unless you want to get caught" lol
@TheUltimateYouTuberyay2 жыл бұрын
#Linuxmasterrace
@MultiClittle7 жыл бұрын
Based on the technical skill shown here I guess I could be running my own computer forensics company
@samyuj5 жыл бұрын
amazeballs username!!
@CellVendettahehe5 жыл бұрын
Defcon stuff is always dumbed way down from the actual work that's been done. It's a social event, not an educational facility.
@MrMikomi5 жыл бұрын
c lit you'd have to do "thousands of exams" to be this clever
@bluesdealer5 жыл бұрын
Nobody’s stopping you. Put your money where your mouth is.
@KC16A64 жыл бұрын
Michael seems a little nervous... however, his explanations are clear AND he makes good jokes ^^ Eric Rob is quite the connoisseur in fraud. Very nicely put. Thanks for all this info and laughter guys :)
@gnarlessagan655810 жыл бұрын
I learned a lot, but oh my god these meme spouting nerds, I mean I'm as nerdy as the next guy but even I would give these guys some wedgies.
@alliefdxproductionservices58569 жыл бұрын
They make some pretty unsubstantiated and completely incorrect statements, too.
@janverhulst22209 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm doing this kind of work on a daily basis and you don't get to "solve the case". You just relay facts and it's up to lawyers to take your information and work with it.. Those are human beings you're investigating and what they do is also very human. Kind of mean to label people who are less adept with computers as losers. I found these high-fiving beer-drinking stupid hat wearing nerds a bit too much for my own taste. Okay we get it, you 'solved the case' and get to feel superior to the succesful sales guy you just "apprehended".
@mindfulape87639 жыл бұрын
I find it so hard to watch this video because these guys are the most socially awkward guys I have ever seen.
@suicidalbanananana5 жыл бұрын
Mostly annoyed by Eric, Michael at least notices when a joke bombs. Decent talk regardless.
@uifdsf5 жыл бұрын
Jan Verhulst give them a break, they're massive nerds yes but for once in their life they get to look cool in front of guys who can understand and appreciate what they do
@tzisorey8 жыл бұрын
Hmm, overwriting sectors, even with random data, can almost always be detected? What if you had a destruction tool that grabbed blocks of data from a non-deleted file, and used that to overwrite the deleted data? To make it look like a different file had been on those blocks, and had been deleted?
@triplemania55505 жыл бұрын
Normally when files are deleted, you can see they were deleted, but still scrape the data from the disk sectors as long as nothing overwrote those. Now the sectors were overwritten by a repeating "Fuck you" pattern, which doesn't happen unless they're deleted on purpose by someone who wants to hide what was deleted. Indicating they were deleted ON PURPOSE and with BAD INTENTIONS. Tzisorey suggests overwriting the sectors with data commonly found on any computer, instead of using this "Fuck you" pattern. Sure you could still see something was deleted, but it could look like normal activity, like system updates or memcaches. It's no longer certain that it was deleted and overwritten on purpose, and you can no longer assume the bad intentions. So yeah it could matter.
@qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqw5 жыл бұрын
It would look the same. What you'd have to do is fill the drive with new files.
@LT89NL4 жыл бұрын
@@triplemania5550 The first part (that it as clear they did it on purpose) I totally agree with you, however not with the second part (that is was with bad intentions). Just like Tor or most Pentesting software it can be used for both good and bad things, but using them doesn't make you bad by definition. For all you know the guy had sensitive things on his hard disk, like a list of passwords to important accounts, or he was into some really kinky (but none the less legal) porn and didn't want any traces of it to remain on his hard disk, or any other legitimate reasons for overwriting deleted files.
@TheRockacer224 жыл бұрын
Presenter: *breathes* Audience: (in unison) FAIILLLLLL faIL FaIL FAAILLLfAILL
@JoshCano7 жыл бұрын
The audio on this is awesome! Thank you for the upload!
@Inertia8885 жыл бұрын
probably would have been fine with just one adderall
@wacer010 жыл бұрын
I found it interesting...nothing bored and they mention some useful tools
@dougangotblocked10 жыл бұрын
I know half this shit is based on real cases but i laughed my ass off - thanks buddy
@PaulHenning849 жыл бұрын
Look up BTK and Swirlface for some real hilarious stories of forensics fails
@zephyfoxy5 жыл бұрын
That last story caught me so off guard, and like some older comments here, it's really really fucking scary how easy someone could frame you for such a thing. People make jokes about "trust no one" but damn, this really makes you want to trust NO ONE.
@irvalfirestar62658 жыл бұрын
so, according to #1 people can sue you for using a drive wiping program if you can just vaguely connect a case to you
@Brakvash8 жыл бұрын
+Irval Firestar yep, he might've been exceedingly stupid and just hated his job
@SomeGuyFromCrowd8 жыл бұрын
+Irval Firestar It indicates you were trying to cover something up, which is suspicious.
@mysteryshrimp8 жыл бұрын
+Steven Haussmann But not proof of anything actually untoward. It's like a teenage boy having an air freshener in his car. I hope that there was more concrete proof than a wipe program.
@roguepackets21988 жыл бұрын
+Steven Haussmann That "something" could always just be an extramarital affair.
@livedandletdie8 жыл бұрын
+Rogue Packets But you must agree using • Fuck You • over and over again as a overwrite is actually genius. I mean it's a dick move, but at least it was a blatant punch in the face to anyone wanna look at the unallocated Memory. However Null wiping had been a less offensive way to do the same.
@goyabee32007 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that by the time of this talk fedoras were considered pretty unfashionable
@thecodingethan7 жыл бұрын
who gives a fuck about fashion
@j.677 жыл бұрын
people who get laid
@thecodingethan7 жыл бұрын
off
@tomthorburn29227 жыл бұрын
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@osuf35817 жыл бұрын
*roll eyes*
@potionseller96 жыл бұрын
Ok, new idea for anti-forensics: Download gigabytes of the most disguting images you can find to your hard drive and change the file ending.
@DotNetRussell5 жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation and great choice of ending music!
@WorBlux8 жыл бұрын
Fail #1. Now there is SSD with TRIM support, which automatically zeroes out some of the unallocated space on supported platforms.
@bugmenot5128 жыл бұрын
+WorBlux And here I was thinking of the OS level or file system driver...
@timesthree57575 жыл бұрын
The problem with the first one is their must have been something else to catch the guy or his lawyers were crappy. cause the fact that you wipe something does not prove a crime. All it proves is something was wiped. Yo can't prove a negative. The reason I know this is because I've been in a lot of courtrooms in my 41 years. I remember a case that just got into the hearing and was thrown out by the Judge because while the hard drive's unallocated space was wiped they could not prove what was there but could only prove it was wiped.
@2007Russdog10 жыл бұрын
Had to pause and create a smoking gun.txt on my desktop for fun!
@KillTheUnicornsNow10 жыл бұрын
haha i did to
@Gerixgames10 жыл бұрын
My Super Awesome Chanel That Is Way Better Than Yours always do it,
@QwertyuiopThePie7 жыл бұрын
I just took a jpeg of an actual smoking gun and renamed it to "smoking_gun.txt". That way, if my hard drive is ever analyzed for any reason, that file'll be right on top!
@LavenderSystem696 жыл бұрын
+QwertyuiopThePie Nah, you need to think bigger; .png for the win, bruh
@MajkaSrajka6 жыл бұрын
And make the file 6gb large!
@lalanotlistening7 ай бұрын
“mean phrases will make people dislike you” - guy who put the R-slur in a powerpoint
@misakamikoto87854 жыл бұрын
Question, so how do you prevent someone just use his/her cell phone camara to capture all sensitive data on their personal phone?
@himabimdimwim4 жыл бұрын
dont allow cellphones in the area.
@bailey1255 жыл бұрын
Why is it that every Defcon conference I've seen those guys wearing the medal things always comes up and interrupts the speakers? Very annoying.
@SilverDragonsmx4 жыл бұрын
They're the goons They have new speakers do a shot while they're doing their talk. Kinda a "tradition" of sorts
@mac1991seth5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it would be possible to create a software that progressively overwrites your documents with mp3 files (i.e. from iTunes or Google Play) and then changes all extensions to .mp3. Would forensic IT be able to find the meddling and provide the company with a proof of suspected behavior?
@TheNonplayer6 жыл бұрын
I can't finish watching these guys.....
@GStarGoku39 жыл бұрын
If you cut out the annoying people interrupting this video would be 15 minutes long.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
Aaaa, not quite.
@Cygnus0lor5 жыл бұрын
So the speakers?
@dsandoval93964 жыл бұрын
What about all the "um's" too? That other guy was like listening to nails on a chalkboard.
@WhiteThunder1214 жыл бұрын
@@Cygnus0lor I think the guys at 31:00
@doncristobalaspee59258 жыл бұрын
So when you hear all about these forensic examinations of hard drives, reading magnetic patterns with electron microscopes because it's been overwritten, is that ever taking place? It sounds like it's not needed from the ineptness shown by the people in these examples.
@bugmenot5128 жыл бұрын
+Escobar Manchulo Those are academic theories that only apply to specific (older) models of drives, in edge cases. Even so, just use encryption and this is a non-issue when disposing of drives with even the most valuable information.
@senjiukanuba55696 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain the first case to me? Could they prove that he had that list? I thought they could only prove that he deleted something. Also, if he filled his harddrive to the brink with movies or computer games and deleted those again, would that have the same effect as running one of those tools to remove evidence of a deleted file?
@AnimeReference5 жыл бұрын
Proof of deletion isn't proof of crime. How did he lose? How'd the pregger guy lose his second job?
@SilverDragonsmx4 жыл бұрын
Good chance that there was a lot of other evidence, and the pattern was just the tipping point
@AnimeReference4 жыл бұрын
@@SilverDragonsmx I get that, but we're kind of missing the whole story. And it sounds like an interesting story.
@mr.peanut20964 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the new job found out that he was watching ridiculous amounts of porn during work hours and decided they didn't want him working there
@SnownelVEVO4 жыл бұрын
He wasn't charged criminally, so an inference is permitted. In civil court (not criminal), if you suspiciously wipe your drive with repeating "fuck you" right before discovery, the court will usually infer that whatever you deleted was harmful to you, and you torpedo your case.
@ImperatorClass4 жыл бұрын
These guys are definitely just giving us a very basic description of the cases they handle. Theres probably a lot more to each one than they give us
@chaos.corner7 жыл бұрын
You can sometimes extract text from PDF so OCR may not have been necessary (I have seen where the text was in an image though).
@therealdontclickme4 жыл бұрын
Damn i kinda wanna know what ended up happening with the guy in the last case? did he get back with his wife? did he win the court case against the state?
@toomanyusers4me10 жыл бұрын
Quality talk about experiences performing forensics analysis. Plenty of useful tidbits interleaved with some pretty funny stories.
@sandman891768 жыл бұрын
How was the first guy prosecuted? In what way wiping data beyond restore off *your own* drive is illegal?
@TheMrVengeance6 жыл бұрын
We don't know when this data was wiped. It's very possible he wiped it before receiving the subpoena. Would've been really useful if they told a little more about this.
@senjiukanuba55696 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate? How is he supposed to prove that he does not have the list? You could have that list too. How would you go about proving that you don't?
@benjaminmiddaugh27295 жыл бұрын
It was not his own drive. It was his company's drive. That matters.
@snbeast95455 жыл бұрын
It was a civil case, so they only had to show that he probably did something. Destroying evidence shows that something probably happened.
@ShroudedWolf515 жыл бұрын
@@snbeast9545 IIRC, that's enough to shine suspicions on the case, but not enough to actually prosecute. It would have been nice to get more detail in this talk intended to deliver information rather than snorty giggling and "twelve year old trying to annoy his mum" humor.
@messiha6664 жыл бұрын
I'm glad they were able to clear that guy in the last case. That must've been a horrible thing to go through
@Josh.Davidson3 жыл бұрын
lol. Jump lists are in Win 7 and later, they were not in Vista. So the guy was actually right in the presentation.
@ultraviolet.catastrophe3 жыл бұрын
Any excuse to drink, am I right?
@Josh.Davidson3 жыл бұрын
@@ultraviolet.catastrophe haha
@FutureJacket8 жыл бұрын
With the deletion thing what if you just filled up your HDD with garbage data? Like you intentionally emailed yourself a worm that multiplied until you you were full and then just deleted all those garbage files?
@cooper5125 жыл бұрын
Thats basically what they did with the fuck you thing
@invntiv5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. This is like entering a wormhole and going back to 2013... #Winning
@FingerinUrDaughter7 жыл бұрын
on the cp thing, there are issues with windows that can cause the system to constantly overwrite the creation, edit, and access dates to the current date. mine does it all the time with certain folders.
@lokistrombringer48718 жыл бұрын
4:10 anybody an idea what program "Bob" used? i really need this in my Life xD
@ghollisjr5 жыл бұрын
Seems like quite a lot of these detection methods would be thwarted by using a live cd of some kind of Linux and putting documents on a thumb drive. Anyone know of a weakness with that strategy?
@darkspace57625 жыл бұрын
The BIOS could be locked down so you can't boot off anything but Windows. That's not really a weakness but in some organizations it just means that you wouldn't be able to exfiltrate data this way. Also you would only be able to do this with a laptop clearly because if you did this on a workstation in your office cubicle, someone might notice. The administrator might also have a policy where the HDD is encrypted, or files are only stored on network drives.
@pault1515 жыл бұрын
Mmmm, yup. Anything that goes through the firewall is logged. A Linux just sandboxes the data that you are looking at on the PC, it doesn't make the TCP/IP look any different. Oh look, that machine just requested info from preggers-porn.com! Oh, that network node is sending large files to MyCloudData and our company doesn't have an account there! Oh, that PC is trying to open a connection to a VPN provider that isn't ours! That network node has an unfamiliar machine ID and it's requesting data from our high security database! REDALERT.
@lbgstzockt84939 ай бұрын
This video is a great resource for those who wish to exfiltrate data.
@Jrez5 жыл бұрын
I'm confused, if you were going to steal IP from your old company to bring to a competitor, why would you do it on your work computer? Wouldn't iit make more sense just to copy all the files you need onto a private, or even secret computer?
@septegram4 жыл бұрын
We're clearly not dealing with the best and the brightest here...
@douro205 жыл бұрын
The guy in the "Nickelback Guy" case would have had an even harder time hiding his files if it was a Linux system...
@patemathic2 жыл бұрын
They could've just renamed them without changing the extension, as if they were Nickelback music videos
@mick79094 жыл бұрын
Love these talks
@Der_Arathok7 жыл бұрын
Can you see if someone burned a CD?
@forton6154 жыл бұрын
40:48 The date of the files they talk about is in 2012, government drops charges years later, this video is uploaded in 2013... Am I missing something here?
@randomgrapesoda4 жыл бұрын
That's spooky
@Hexagonaldonut2 жыл бұрын
They did mention a lot of the case details were changed; the actual case probably happened years earlier, and they almost certainly couldn't use the original dates, so they replaced them. Why 2012 specifically? Iunno.
@qharis-lm9028 жыл бұрын
So if you encrypt the whole disk, it will becompletely ok to shift-del? In case of an investigate, just destroy the key or something
@chubbysumo22308 жыл бұрын
you say that like its hard to change the bitlocker key? You just turn it off, and turn it back on. you can even make it harder by using EFS.
@PlasmaHH7 жыл бұрын
look at their first case. You will use on court anyways. "There might have been files" seems to be enough to be guilty, regardless of if that was just your porn collection...
@mipmipmipmipmip7 жыл бұрын
Dennis Lubert Not for Hillary!
@Monsuco10 жыл бұрын
As vile as pregger fetish porn might be, it's *still* better than if it had actually been Nickelback!
@u1tim8225 жыл бұрын
Amen
@corriblehunt45545 жыл бұрын
It's not my thing personally, but vile is a harsh word. However, I can see why the word came to mind while thinking about Nickelback
@ShroudedWolf515 жыл бұрын
Why...? Everyone likes something that's a bit out of the ordinary, so as long as it's legal, what makes your porn taste so much more legitimate than someone else's? And, I don't know. Nickelback isn't fantastic, but the worst I could say about the music is "unremarkable". Can't say it's anything worth shitting on someone over.
@septegram4 жыл бұрын
Pregnant porn is no more "vile" than any other kind, all other things being equal. Not to your taste, perhaps, but no more or less morally defensible.
@thelurkingpanda36054 жыл бұрын
Nickelback guy is a god because they clicked nickelback songs with the porn and didnt click the more obscure ones that were actual trade secrets ;)
@connorhorman5 жыл бұрын
*Stores a valid PE/exe File with data destruction* Can you trace that?
@Reth_Hard8 жыл бұрын
I find it funny when I see a conference guy that looks very nervous like that. He doesn't show it too much but I know that, inside of himself, he's completely terrified. :D
@destiny_02 Жыл бұрын
Whats that blue light movie on his shirt !
@douro205 жыл бұрын
The Magistr email worm filled hard disks with the text "YOU ARE SHIT"
@JunkCCCP7 жыл бұрын
Man, what a couple of cheeseballs.
@happysprollie7 жыл бұрын
Which one is Beavis...?
@corriblehunt45545 жыл бұрын
The one in the twat hat, I think
@JasperJanssen5 жыл бұрын
He didn’t say “yes, of course I wiped my drive, I moved to another job with a direct competitor. I wouldn’t want to accidentally take data with me.”?
@Hexagonaldonut2 жыл бұрын
If it had been any normal wiping pattern, he probably could've done that! But wiping with 'Fuck you' on repeat kind of precludes the idea that it was done with good intentions.
@JasperJanssen2 жыл бұрын
@@Hexagonaldonut having a “fuck you” attitude to an employer doesn’t mean it’s not e legitimate action to take.
@briansmith87495 жыл бұрын
Poor Edgar.
@mipmipmipmipmip7 жыл бұрын
Fail #3 could now be done without court order using some heavy Spark processing of the pdfs. Cost of the research might be an issue though.
@gonorrheabreath37744 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of what to call my new program in the covering of the tracks... how's about; infinite spectrum Quasimodo redundancy matrix
@butteredtoast86664 жыл бұрын
What was the cat balloon thing about?
@JoArtsDev5 жыл бұрын
wait some dude got 100k sued and the proof was that he just destroyed something? he could have argued that is was just porn
@rshinra6 жыл бұрын
Stop smacking into the mic
@joshuarain23973 жыл бұрын
Couldn't see the screen too well to read the program name and the audio didn't really seem to work for me hearing it. What's the name of that CP program?
@ultraviolet.catastrophe3 жыл бұрын
LCP
@DevinDTV5 жыл бұрын
what stops these 2 guys from fabricating evidence?
@xXevilsmilesXx4 жыл бұрын
ethics?
@JohnDoe-nq4du4 жыл бұрын
@@xXevilsmilesXx Did you watch the video? They clearly have no ethics.
@xXevilsmilesXx4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-nq4du I did. Which part specifically did you find unethical?
@KingOhmni5 жыл бұрын
11:05 A person that was a teenager when the first PCs were a thing helps me with my mid to high end gaming rigs from time to time (although less and less in my defense) and the first time I gave him my 1st PC he said he liked how I simply just had a folder labeled Porn within a subset of documents relating to a story I want to write. (the story docs were password protected naturally) I asked him how he knew that and he said he always goes looking for what kind of porn people have on their comps as it could bust a pedo and that people normally hide it in innocent sounding work related folders. He also said he respected my story password. I approved of this thinking but at the same time it tis somewhat of a violation of privacy, especially regarding muh story cos little did I know there is list of all passwords buried in the system of Windows that people in the know can easily access when using muh PC. So what I learned that day was the people who you hand your technology into for repairs probably know more about your habits than you might like. So what could people find who really want to find something? The answer is everything ever put into 1s and 0s as a rule of thumb.
@ghostlyparanoia10 жыл бұрын
Them god dayme check boxes..
@uamir129 жыл бұрын
lol "fuck you fuck you fuck you"
@InkthatUsOffensiveSecurity9 жыл бұрын
Not sure which I found mopre entertaining, the video or the comments. I would have to say the comments as this was not Defcon's best presentation. Thanks for posting.
@VIRCHIT9 жыл бұрын
Ummmm that was some funny stuff. And it amused me jolly. Keep it up
@MirekHeikkila6 жыл бұрын
Now I'm thinking all prego porn has a soundtrack of NickleBack 0.o
@jimbeckert79464 жыл бұрын
Wait. Edgar was framed for a crime by his "friend". He gets put through the ringer and is eventually exonerated. But, does the "friend" get charged with downloading child porn? Or is it legal to download child porn if you're doing it to frame someone else???
@ultraviolet.catastrophe3 жыл бұрын
Good question 💯 We need answers.
@patar33235 жыл бұрын
Omg Charlie Sheen did that interview more than 5 years ago??
@LeeDavisonYo6 жыл бұрын
Some interesting stuff but these guys are horrendous cringelords.
@AlleeCatBlues5 жыл бұрын
At least 80% of these jokes were old even at the time. This video has not aged well at all.
@WhiteThunder1214 жыл бұрын
Why?
@DutchManticore3 жыл бұрын
@@WhiteThunder121 the fedora, the cringy humor, the cat video, the lipsmacking, the comic sans, the tired jokes. Loved their talk, but still
@BryonLape6 жыл бұрын
MS SQL? That's a fail.
@HelloKittyFanMan.5 жыл бұрын
Oops, there's no such thing as "PDF format."
@vodoo66654 жыл бұрын
Love Comic Sans - My fav font
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@stedebonnet31515 жыл бұрын
this has got to be one of the worst talks in recent history. And they probably still think they are 'pretteh funneh'...
@Walter_5 жыл бұрын
Even though this is the least formal one. I find it the most enjoyable.
@MrNateFlax5 жыл бұрын
5:34 The Chad cryptographer VS the virgin FBI
@HaploidCell7 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, but I loved this talk. Highlights how pretty much no-one fully understand how their software works, or knows about every little background thing it does. It might not even be possible for that second one, but I know nothing. Heck, even that one examiner (who probably lost his job) missed these obvious anomalies, like straight-up DATES on obviously relevant ones. That he could get a job as an examiner should mean that he had some sort of expertese, right?
@xxxxxPr0xxxxx5 жыл бұрын
the cringe is real
@ZGoddessLola Жыл бұрын
Just the cringe, some people need just to stay in the office and never present or stand on a stage
@vvert15069 ай бұрын
so much hate, whatcha got on your computer?
@user-yc4hy4mf1p7 ай бұрын
42:47
@user-yc4hy4mf1p7 ай бұрын
After header
@elliottg71929 жыл бұрын
what job is this?
@boxbox62909 жыл бұрын
Forensic pc experts ie a pakistani geek send 3000 paedophile images to your pc and demand 5000 pound or tell your wife you dont pay your wife get email n go to police your whole life get ruinned these guys are super heros they save your life n figure out it wernt u who downlaoded that shit
@Docko4128 жыл бұрын
I want these guys fucking jobs they have the greatest jobs on earth. So awesome.
@InAUGral6 жыл бұрын
When you start drinking beer because of the fails then fail more often due to drinking the beer.
@IscleGaming6 жыл бұрын
What did we learn? Use a ubuntu live cd.
@FreakinKatGaming4 жыл бұрын
Yeah yeah ive worked and helped plenty of forensics experts 😒 their very thank less most of the time. But they love collecting the money when the information you helped them obtain substantially helps them. They'll forget your ass quicker then you can count to 10. Lesson here is, if your good at something and know it, charge for it.
@Elite75556 жыл бұрын
Dudes, it is so easy to set up an encrypted drive, even with system tools. I just don't get it...