Hades - Any Heat unmodded speedrun:

[@James-gd3sp]

Respect+ for thanking the shade in the Elysium fight

[@RockLobsta23]

That Tartarus luck was wild. Flurry shot. Epic cast, Chaos gate, fountain, survival room, bouldy. Like perfect rng

[@adwasdwadswa8760]

why is an survival room good? cant you clear normal rooms way faster?

[@dutchdanderdinde6450]

@@adwasdwadswa8760 the timer stops at survival rooms

[@bradlfsh]

​@@dutchdanderdinde6450 really ? I wonder why. isn't that just another rng aspect speedrunners don't normally let things slide like that lol

[@ballom29]

@@AcousticOlli In risk of rain 1 (not 2) a decisio nwas made to no longer use In game timer Beside the fact it's slightly innacurate compared to real time, a bug was found that let you reset the timer to 0, technically with that exploit you shoot yourself in the foot for the next part of the run, but if you manage to beaat the final boss that way you'll have a great In game time.

[@sabbagecavage5690]

speedrunners, especially going for WRs, play a LOT of tartarus to get good runs.

[@fsytube]

I think my favorite part of this is that this isn't a "perfect run". You got frozen in Asphodel. Not everything was Epic. Death Defiances were used. Than showed up. There's still hypothetical room for improvement but this is still an astonishing achievement. I made some runs at a world record in Burnout 3 over a decade ago and hadn't felt that urge again until Hades, and seeing runs like this is inspiring for those efforts. Still seeking out a sub-10, so I know there's a long way to go, but I love seeing these amazing runs!

[@hash4badi]

than is good for in game time because he pauses the timer

[@That_One_Pancake]

What an incredible run. The lengths to which this game has been pushed will never cease to amaze me. Huge congrats

[@firesafetysuperman]

It was the blanket computer holding you back all along - what a gamer

[@bright0193]

my favorite thing about croven vods is the gameplay the gameplay: 1:46 in all seriousness gz again on the WR you deserve it

[@bblake617]

That damn Hera bug at 2:55 costing like 2 seconds would have tilted me so bad. I feel like I never recover in my attempts when that shows up but you just kept your cool and banged through, beautiful run congrats!

[@Haelian]

Whoa

[@viktorgustafsson2504]

Just got a new personal best so I had to check out how it compares to the world record and it's more than twice as fast as mine that's insane. Good job

[@languages_and_games1641]

Same bro after getting 10:45 i felt pretty badass and I had to check That puts you in the spot num 680 Not too bad haha

[@ronniedabear9145]

Dream seed and very well played. Grats Croven :)

[@croven2103]

thanks ronnie! really appreciate it, hope ur doin good these days

[@manticore3586]

Unreal! Congrats Croven! Can’t wait to see your first sub 5 minute run!

[@thechosenfives5555]

The best of runs require the most scuffed gaming setups. Good shit man. Congrats on getting the record back- Fives.

[@OckE]

Poggers. GZ to the WR! Also shoutout to that one witch in Tart, real G.

[@Antisceptic]

Insanity. Congratulations, man. Well deserved and very impressive.

[@perfectengrish]

you're insane - big congrats

[@UnholyPancake]

Good shit Croven, huge congrats

[@sophiawiesenfeld9940]

the only gaming videos i will ever watch

[@sophiawiesenfeld9940]

let’s get sushi to celebrate

[@forestskilbred9461]

Holy shit, stuff like this just amazes me. Insane optimization.

[@bradlfsh]

Dang 5 minutes I had to see it to believe it. That was very impressive you madlad.

[@tuftman6092]

Insane run, GG!

[@hooly69]

actually insane 🥺 congrats!!!!!!!!

[@josephperez5545]

If you don't thank the shade in Elysium did you really win the fight?

[@croven2103]

TRUE

[@felipemelo3366]

Croven, u are a beast who turned upside down any igt run in hades congrats

[@littlebumgorf]

absolutely cracked holy moly

[@algorithm1313]

Awesome run 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@TRAINERTV18]

the best crack i've ever seen

[@cortez31]

Damn, congrats on an impressive run. Could’ve saved 4-5 seconds on Thanatos by code buffering, that guy always takes a whole pandemic length to drop the damn heart!

[@amy-cv2nw]

I thought the timer stopped during Thanatos encounters no?

[@cortez31]

@@amy-cv2nw during Thanatos - yes. But it starts again after you beat him during the time it takes for the heart in front of him to appear. You can stop the timer until the heart appears by opening the code and sage a few seconds.

[@mumei178]

@@cortez31 You can, but it makes the run invalid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5W1iaybg7CCnac is the reason why; if you use it like this you can prevent your IGT from advancing any time it's possible to open the codex, including shops, fountains, and any room after combat as you head to the next door. To prevent having to do that or creating a debate over when it is and isn't okay to use the codex this way, there's just a blanket ban on opening the codex when the IGT timer is progressing. Most runners just unbind codex so they don't accidentally open it.

[@cortez31]

@@mumei178 ah thanks, I did not know that - and watching your linked video it makes total sense to have it banned for official times, that’s just ridiculous :D

[@mumei178]

@@cortez31 I also used to wonder why people didn't open codex instead of waiting 5-10+ seconds for Than to go away, until someone pointed out to me that it's not allowed in the submission rules (I never recorded anything and hadn't paid attention) and showed me that awful awful clip 😅

[@j_dubs97]

Congratulations

[@fddon4166]

i've noticed (in the few runs i watched at least) that very successful runs always start with a hammer upgrade and a killer upgrade pick. is there a way to ensure this, or are these lucky rolls? if the latter, do runners start over until they get their targeted starting hammer upgrade? i mean... this could be a 1 in 50 chance... could be even worse, idk

[@croven2103]

there is no way to ensure starting with a hammer, or what hammer upgrade you get (without the assistance of mods). certain weapons really like starting with hammer (beowulf, achilles), while some actually prefer to start with a boon (funnily enough, hera is one of these. starting with a hammer isnt the worst, but you really want your cast boon early). so no, speedrunners never reset for chamber 1 hammer. however, very often in unmodded we DO reset for a specific hammer upgrade (charged shot on beowulf, flurry jab on achilles). hera is one of the more hammer flexible weapons (flurry is ideal for me, but triple and twin are great as well. my first sub6 started with point blank lol). to be honest, resetting for a specific hammer is a real pain and one of the main reasons people started playing modded categories more frequently. personally, its why i always stick to something like hera or hestia when playing unmodded; those weapons can roll with a variety of hammers so its not too bad. as an aside, the worst odds for ideal starting hammer upgrade is beowulf with charged shot, which is i think a 3/13 chance to get in your hammer? dont remember exactly but tht feels correct

[@mikeypdoes]

This is wild!

[@bikeweiss]

blessed run

[@benro6564]

ok I included a copypasta in my original comment but I dont know where it went so I'll just say it again: I am honestly speechless at how fast this game has come. In just over a year we have cut nearly 3 minutes off of a run that used to be 8. The fact that I went from 6th to now out of the top 30 shows that the gamers will keep gaming for who knows how long

[@ixICocoIxi]

Well done mate GL on sub 5

[@rt9548]

Legend

[@NestorMandela]

6:58 Power Couple

[@dalibosch5028]

What is your controller setup? I presume you rebinded bunch of buttons to be this efficient. Great run, congrats.

[@croven2103]

i use a dualshock4 controller, with the main mappings as follows: attack on square, special on x, dash on R1, cast on L1, summon on L2, and call on R2. when i'm playing a rail aspect i put reload on L1 and cast on triangle (reload is on triangle for non rails but it doesnt really matter lol). most of this is pretty standard, the two notable ones are L1 and R1. R1 dash has become a bit more common recently, in the past a lot of players tended to put dash on face button. L1 cast is also very common for cast weapons like hera or beowulf, makes loading a lot easier. i dont actually know how common the two bindings together are, but it works for me. hope that helps, and thank you!

[@dalibosch5028]

@@croven2103 thanks, you the man

[@jake748]

why is the previous death in the video? does it do something to the run or just a restart?

[@croven2103]

Showing the previous death is necessary for it to be shown as unseeded; unseeded means we know nothing about the run going in. Deaths are the only way to reset your seed, so they are required for unseeded runs. As an aside, if you were ever interested in speedruns in which you DID know about the runs going in, the seeded boards have a few "routed" runs, in which everything is planned out to take as little time as possible.

[@hizzyhizzles8731]

This run was great! Do you pause and such to manipulate the seed? If so, wow!! That's impressive

[@croven2103]

i do not, this is an unseeded run so i have no knowledge of the run going in (thats what the death at the beginning is there to show). unseeded runs are pretty much going in blind. pausing is mainly to make decisions without passing In Game Time (IGT), as well as sometimes to wait out my lag lol. pausing has nothing to do with the rng in the game. if you'd like to see an actual seeded run where people use a known seed and manipulate rng to get a near perfect run, check out this incredible run by vorime, the current seeded WR: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ62c5R5aZJ-mtU

[@hizzyhizzles8731]

@@croven2103 wow thank you so much for your detailed reply. I'm rather new and rather ignorant to the Hades community but I absolutely love love love the game and do multiple runs a day (even though I'm not that far). The reason I was asking is because I was watching a Helion video where he was explaining a speedrun in which he explained that the game uses seeds that can be manipulated by very specific actions and I thought pausing was part of it lol. It's just always insane the amount of dedication people have, and it's awesome to see. Thank you so much for the link and please keep up the awesome runs. Yet again appreciate the feedback so much as I'm learning more and more about the Hades community and speedrunning community as a whole Update: it was the same run you had linked and that I had in mind lol. But I completely understand how it works now. Keep up the great work

[@aspreedacore]

@@croven2103 so this game does lag, it’s not just me and my windows 11 rtx 3070

[@MetalHev]

He's pausing to let our mortal eyes catch up

[@spectrive9739]

Do you use a keyboard or controller? Nice job btw!!

[@croven2103]

i use a dualshock 4 controller. thank you!

[@Lordbrezel]

Since it is Any Heat, why do you not use the timer from the pact of punishment, so you won't run into those "survive for 45 sec" chambers?

[@croven2103]

those chambers pause In Game Time, so when running for IGT it's actually good to see them. in Real Time runs (RTA), youll see runners take that pact for that reason though

[@Lordbrezel]

@@croven2103 Oooh I did not catch that, thanks for the answer! I only got into Hades recently (with the trailer for Hades 2 basically) but I wanna maybe start attempting some speedruns too, once I have the game somewhat complete. ^^

[@pac7729]

7:00 wow

[@cleboyyy]

man wtf ggs

[@SerdarS.]

What I don't understand is, if this is an any heat speedrun, why turn on some of these options at all? Wouldn't it be faster without any heat?

[@croven2103]

There are a couple of reasons why we choose these specific heats. Extreme Measures 2 (EM2), makes the Lernie arena much smaller and makes it easier to 1) group heads together to kill them simultaneously, and 2) simply traverse from one head to the other. It does increase the Fury's health slightly, but this is usually not a significant issue and is outweighed by the benefit of EM2. Forced Overtime (FO) is used primarily because it speeds up enemy spawns, shortening the time in between waves. While this isn't relevant on Hera, some aspects utilize boons such as Static Discharge (status effect Jolted), which procs damage when enemies attack. As a result, faster attacking enemies means more damage. There are a few other similar boons that benefit from FO. FO1 vs FO2 is up to the player generally; FO2 won't be faster if you end up just getting hit more and having to play safe to not die. However if you can handle FO2, it is recommended for almost every aspect. Hope that clears things up!

[@SerdarS.]

@@croven2103 Yes, thank you a lot!

[@Bopas2]

daddy? sorry, daddy? sorry, daddy?

[@aurorathedreamer9]

what's the reason for pausing at the beginning of chambers? especially in the temple of styx. I assume before entering a chamber it's to decide without time pressure but why after?

[@croven2103]

its a little bit sweaty but for styx chambers i pause to quickly figure out how i want to route through the room; small mistakes really add up in those chambers. i also do this in asphodel sometimes since the difference between being able to hit an enemy before it jumps vs missing as it jumps is quite big

[@aurorathedreamer9]

@@croven2103 well I guess you have to sweat a bit to be this good. Thanks for the explanation

[@Roninn222]

far, and makes confident about using the DAW the first ti.

[@UHDH]

hera? what?

[@totalineptitude9165]

Any reason you went family favourite over Privilleged Status? Would've thought that'd be the typical choice for Chill + Weak.

[@croven2103]

FF is simply much more consistent than priv stat. It applies for the majority of the run, you can't always guarantee Chill, and even in this run it doesn't actually apply to the first attack or cast I use on an enemy (the attack applies chill, then a cast applies weak, THEN anything else gets the priv stat buff). It's only useful for bosses mostly and I don't think the marginal use it has on bosses makes up for the usefulness of FF throughout the run.

[@little_tater_tot]

gamer

[@nahidv2.0]

Is there a way to do it on Microsoft Paint??

[@dannycarr4975]

Why wouldn't you turn on Tight Deadline to avoid survival rooms? Feel like it would've saved you like 30+ seconds on this run

[@croven2103]

Survival rooms actually pause the In Game Timer (IGT), so since this run was an IGT speedrun, we want survival rooms. If you watch any RTA (real time) speedruns, those take Tight Deadline to avoid survival rooms for the reason you mention though

[@James-kq6tg]

Can someone help me understand how the casting works in this run? It doesn’t look like he has to press a button to load the casts. Or is he just so fast at doing it?

[@727iamsam]

This is an aspect of the bow where you load your casts into your bow and they “fire” wherever your next attack hits. Aspect of Hera!

[@JaxJewell]

Any particular reason why you are moving in circles before the first door of Elysium?

[@croven2103]

nah i was just fiddling with my joystick while checking something on my phone iirc, no actual reason

[@rellify3]

Was demeter attack intentional? I'm trying to learn hera and usually try to get artemis attack, is that wrong?

[@croven2103]

so for hera, the specific attack you get doesnt actually matter a whole lot (just generally avoid zeus, ares, or dionysus attack). mostly i just pick the first good one i see, and demeter attack at epic rarity is good enough for me to take and be happy with. if i had instead been offered epic artemis attack at that midshop, i would've taken it too. just a matter of what gets offered first really

[@rellify3]

@@croven2103 Awesome, thanks so much for the reply! In general, would you say that google doc that floats around from you and cgull is a good up to date resource?

[@croven2103]

@@rellify3 tbh i should update it, its slightly out of date, but when i say slightly i mean it. following that doc will definitely get you better at speedrunning hera, and in general its a good resource. as always, don't be afraid to try things out on your own and experiment, thats how the meta evolves. good luck!

[@J1mmyM1Lk]

In the beginning you had the reflection that reduces your cast to 1 and then you start the run with the reflection that gives you 3 casts. Is this faked?

[@croven2103]

the previous run that the video starts on has Routine Inspection 4 on to make resetting easier; it wipes the entire mirror so my cast number goes back to the default 1. Before I start the actual run you can see me take off all Routine Inspection from the Pact, which reactivates Infernal Soul on the mirror and gives me my 3 casts for the next run

[@J1mmyM1Lk]

@@croven2103 I see! That’s why I asked cause I new I could’ve missed something. Good shut!

[@aspreedacore]

@@croven2103 even your sudoku is meta 😂

[@tzortzisdimopoulos9380]

what app did you use for the timing of the speedrun?

[@croven2103]

I didn't use any app for this run; I used the default timer in the game (In Game Time, IGT). You can display this timer in the top right of your screen by going into Settings and enabling it.

[@tzortzisdimopoulos9380]

Ohhh nice!!Thank you!!

[@KokaKolaMusic]

Stop. I was upset enough by the Beo run. This is too much. I demand you quit so that I can keep my T100 spot T-T

[@kirrby496]

let’s gooo

[@banditbrah]

What keepsake is that? I have all of them but can't seem to see that one.

[@croven2103]

Do you mean the last one I take in the run? It's a bit of spoilers, so I'll put a couple lines in before elaborating: It's Sigil of the Dead, Hades' keepsake. You need to gift him a couple times, but gifting him multiple times is blocked until certain story events are completed. It's a very lategame unlock.

[@banditbrah]

@@croven2103 I have the Hades one, I meant the one that you start with. Can't seem to see it unless i'm just being blind. Insane run btw. I skipped to the end of Tartarus now and can see it was the Aphrodite keepsake, it just looked different I think because you have the close bond thing unlocked with her, guessing she must be the best cast for this weapon.

[@andrespascual4895]

@@croven2103 why you change the bone hourglass for it?

[@croven2103]

@@andrespascual4895 are you asking why i take the bone hourglass into asphodel, swapping out from eternal rose? i use the rose to force aphrodite to get crush shot, so it doesn't do much after that. wells of charon can give things like braids of atlas (+50% cast damage) or a prometheus stone (+1 extra cast), as well as other very helpful bonuses to hera. bone hourglass extends the durations of these a ton, making it a really useful take. often just one or two good well items can be enough of a build for a whole run

[@andrespascual4895]

@@croven2103 okay thanks, and what is the purpose to use the hades keepsake?

[@AnankeYT]

Croven

[@croven2103]

mr nanke

[@krop_ow]

why 9 heat instead of 0?

[@croven2103]

There are a couple of reasons why we choose these specific heats. Extreme Measures 2 (EM2), makes the Lernie arena much smaller and makes it easier to 1) group heads together to kill them simultaneously, and 2) simply traverse from one head to the other. It does increase the Fury's health slightly, but this is usually not a significant issue and is outweighed by the benefit of EM2. Forced Overtime (FO) is used primarily because it speeds up enemy spawns, shortening the time in between waves. While this isn't relevant on Hera, some aspects utilize boons such as Static Discharge (status effect Jolted), which procs damage when enemies attack. As a result, faster attacking enemies means more damage. There are a few other similar boons that benefit from FO. FO1 vs FO2 is up to the player generally; FO2 won't be faster if you end up just getting hit more and having to play safe to not die. However if you can handle FO2, it is recommended for almost every aspect. Hope that clears things up!

[@_MintArcade]

How do you shoot so far without changing?

[@croven2103]

this is due to my hammer, Flurry Shot. It allows for arrows to come out instantly just by tapping the attack button, which is very useful on Hera.

[@_MintArcade]

@@croven2103 neat!

[@roccotopliff4843]

can I ask what your mirror is?

[@croven2103]

fiery presence, chthonic vitality, death defiances, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal soul, deep pockets, thick skin, family favorites, dark foresight, gods pride, fated persuasion. for reference you can also see which mirror options i have picked at the victory screen in the end, its all listed in a small bar at the top. let me know if you have questions about any of these!

[@roccotopliff4843]

@@croven2103 tysm!

[@bcoda]

why do you keep pausing?

[@croven2103]

most of the time its just to see what the next room rewards are and make a decision without wasting in game time. sometimes i use them to scope out a room and see which enemies/where they're placed before i clear them out

[@calaiart]

What is any heat wr? He has 9 heat though...

[@croven2103]

The category "Any Heat" means 'complete a run with any heat settings you would like'. It's basically the Any% equivalent for Hades, just finishing one run. A 0 heat run, a 9 heat run, or a 64 heat (lol) would all be eligible for this category

[@calaiart]

@@croven2103 thank you! Wouldn't that become pointless if people were going for record time right. I mean... Every one would pick no heat to try and rush it...

[@croven2103]

@@calaiart Actually, some heat settings are preferred to help go faster. I posted a comment about it below so I'll just copy and paste it right here: There are a couple of reasons why we choose these specific heats. Extreme Measures 2 (EM2), makes the Lernie arena much smaller and makes it easier to 1) group heads together to kill them simultaneously, and 2) simply traverse from one head to the other. It does increase the Fury's health slightly, but this is usually not a significant issue and is outweighed by the benefit of EM2. Forced Overtime (FO) is used primarily because it speeds up enemy spawns, shortening the time in between waves. While this isn't relevant on Hera, some aspects utilize boons such as Static Discharge (status effect Jolted), which procs damage when enemies attack. As a result, faster attacking enemies means more damage. There are a few other similar boons that benefit from FO. FO1 vs FO2 is up to the player generally; FO2 won't be faster if you end up just getting hit more and having to play safe to not die. However if you can handle FO2, it is recommended for almost every aspect. Hope that clears things up!

[@soontiago]

if anyone can do sub 5 its croven

[@amm95]

Lol 6:30

[@CherryDad]

first

[@pigifi]

It is a shame you used family favorite over privileged status. You had two status effects right there and would have shaved off around 30 secs.

[@coldernebula]

Croven skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....Day0s Hades Cheater with Streaming.....I think day0s still cheating...Croven using game deficit on PRO scene ,ON BIG Events.Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?

[@quintenlievens1439]

"Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"

[@johnbigelson7471]

speedrunning any game will always be a joke competition unless it's done with witnesses or at a public arena.

[@DragonD_Dojima]

why?

[@johnbigelson7471]

@@DragonD_Dojima because its too easy to cheat, like with hades anyone can go edit the script files to adjust the base move speed by just a little bit

[@DragonD_Dojima]

@@johnbigelson7471 sure I guess but there's always people trying to cheat no matter the competition

[@johnbigelson7471]

@@DragonD_Dojima yeah but if its a competition in a public place its not like people can bring their own pcs,

[@isabellairon8420]

The issue with that is that it makes speed running much less accessible. I agree that it is an unmoderatable thing when done from peoples homes, but a majority are not doing this for money and just for fun. If we limit speed runs to just those who have a “speed running moderator” or whatever in their area, I don’t think many people would actually be interested. Like, there is games done quick but that’s a charity, but otherwise I can’t really think of any speed running events otherwise. Idk just seems like it’s not worth it

[@Rizzdice]

Wow. Just got my first sub 10 min run (09:53) and thought it was good. I need to keep improving... 😂