Hidden mechanic makes Scorch actually GOOD? | Hades 2

[@Razarex]

Scorch works by dealing around ~6 damage every tick equaling 40 damage per second. Air Quality makes each tick deal 30 instead of ~6, giving you 4-5 times more damage from Scorch per second while the number still ticks down at 40 per second. edit: this is patch 2, out of date

[@Yasha_U]

oh so, say a special hit gives "60 scorch", i guess we can assume its a ~10 scorch ticks given, with each tick dealing ~6 damage totaling at 60 damage NOW with air quality, each tick deals 30 damage, and you still get 10 scorch ticks, totaling at 300 damage? holy shit thats busted lmao

[@plimbo-scrimbly]

good ol air fryer

[@rac8153]

I like Hestia. Not the strongest god for sure but can be quite fun

[@adityaflashraj]

"Keep it secret keep it safe" Makes a youtube video about it 😂

[@PWzhouster]

Also regarding the 60Hz stuff. In a vacuum it's hard to distinguish things once you go faster than 60 fps, but if you're playing on a high refresh monitor (e.g. 144) and you have 144fps, I absolutely will notice when the game drops from 144 to 60...which leads me to believe that it does matter. But as someone in the chat said - the consistency really matters. A constant 60FPS feels better (to me) than 120FPS with drops to 60, for example, even though your average FPS would be higher in the latter because the drops feel bad

[@noxfelis5333]

I remember hearing that there was a studie that was conducted, and apperently some people don't see more than 60 fps while other do.

[@shataraterevar]

@@noxfelis5333 People can register (and process) only about 28 frames per second, but our mind will be selective from what the eyes can see to catch the most smooth sequence for an image it can. That "selective" picking and processing is the difference people can see between 30 and 60 and more FPS (up to around 300 I believe, but diminishing return, you can spot way more difference between 30 to 60 than 60 to 144). Also the amount of FPS changes the feel of the responsiveness of inputs so in action games it affects the gameplay feel.

[@balintgyuri6555]

I changed one of my less hardware demanding games' max FPS from 30/60 to constant 60. Holy hell the difference! It looked mesmerising

[@_imago]

Exactly this for Bloodborne too. I have a 165 hz monitor but also a Steam Deck, and 30 FPS on Steam Deck feels great. Bloodborne on PS4 can barely hold 30, it's so choppy and unstable. It's really distracting and I don't know how I played it back in the day. I'm sure it's better on PS5 but I don't have that.

[@wanderingshade8383]

If you add the Fire Extinguisher damage to the Scorch damage, it did more than the Omega Special, so pretty good.

[@BartlebyScrivener-oz6mk]

Yeah, but consider that Aphrodite boons can give you an 80%-150% increase in damage at level 1 depending on rarity. That's a lot less work depending on far less RNG to get the same marginal benefit. Now, there is the caveat that Aphrodite special doesn't apply a curse which makes applying origination harder. But Aphrodite plus two curse boons is easier than Hestia plus air quality plus five air. So is it good? Yeah, the damage melted Cerberus and Chronos handily. Best, most consistent option? Not hardly

[@wanderingshade8383]

@@BartlebyScrivener-oz6mk Oh certainly, Hestia is not super strong rn compared to some of the others, but the damage isn't BAD.

[@gharn2594]

@@wanderingshade8383 I agree this isn't bad. Watching this and looking at the end numbers I'd say this should be the default for scorch. It wasn't at all OP and it wasn't terrible (like scorch usually is). If the devs want to make Hestia viable then this would be a great step in the right direction.

[@ChaosCause3000]

Love the look of fireballs on the special. Like Haelian said I like poseidons as well, my only problem is that I had a hard time distinguishing them with poseidons trial. I kept dashing into it because I thought it was my special 😂

[@MrPiotrV]

same here

[@DeeStrongfist]

You know about 60% of the games I've been playing lately are because of you right? Keep it up Dan, you're great.

[@kevinlloyd3047]

What's the "are you my daddy" clip from? Cracks me up every time...

[@elGonho]

Ward

[@jonthenamelessproject99]

You just reminded me of The Empty Child from Doctor Who with the gas mask children saying "Are you my mummy?" which has freaked me out for years now hahaha.

[@m-ray5956]

Haven't watched it but I believe that's Samurai cop 2, considering the actors.

[@lucasbgabriel1441]

No Hat Dan, we back 3 years

[@Voicelet]

AQ works with scorch? No wonder why sometimes scorch deals so much more damage. Never pieced them together (the number for scorch at the end is never at the top even when you focus on it, like this run for example.)

[@AzureShrike]

I did a scorch torch run with Funeral Pyre and Fire Extinguisher and it was VERY good

[@ChristopherWanha]

31:15 higher than 60fps messes up mechanics in some games, and enhances the feel of others. I think there are parkour related skips for Doom 2016 / Eternal that use unlocked frame rate, in a parkour game I play edges feel like they eat your jumps at 60fps, but unlocked it doesn't.

[@theformation3781]

I have to try all infusions at some point because all of them are actually pretty good in their respective niches

[@sudokucoach]

30/60/120Hz: Put your vision to the test, Haelian. Windows Desktop, dark wallpaper, move mouse quickly in circles. Go!

[@MugenHeadNinja]

60fps is 100% important for a game like Bloodborne, there is a night and day difference between playing the base game and the game with the FPS hack. If you can't tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps/144fps then it's (most likely) because your monitor's refresh rate most likely caps out at 60hz.

[@gigagleb9842]

I think Dionysus was the least exciting H1 god, and Hestia is essentially a rework of Dionysus. They both follow the "applicable DOT effect" formula, but I feel like Hestia does it way better, just feels nicer not to be limited to like 5 max poison stacks and be able to pile the fire up infinitely. Their common issue is very limited dps, literally capped at the game's hard limit. My big problem with Dio is that any build centered around him REQUIRED the duos that just made his curse flat out completely better - quicker procs and bigger limits. With Hestia I'd argue there isn't enough stuff that makes Scorch better - you either shoot for the legendary that doubles scorch DPS (which isn't nearly enough tbh), or stuff that reworks her mechanic, like Fire Ext. I still feel like Hestia is miles better than Dio, just feels somewhat undercooked. Wish there was more to do with scorch other than have more ways to apply it - I only had a special scorch boon on Knives with the Demeter duo - and Chronos had around 40k scorch by the end of his fight - problem is, I couldn't do anything with it, other than run around just waiting for the scorch to run out, or just ignore the measly dot and damage him directly.

[@HerMi.T]

Huh, the least interesting one is Demeter. She just slows enemy in Hades 1 and her boons aren't that good either. Dio actually has more interesting playstyle. Just because you dislike dot damage doesn't mean he is weak. Dio actually has mechanic to increase his damage which is less present in Hestia for now. That's why Dio looks better for now.

[@gigagleb9842]

@@HerMi.T Demeter at least had interesting support boons, and her main curse had easily accessible damage options that, unlike Dio, didn't limit your DPS. You can't do more damage with Dio than the game limits you to, no matter how you look at it. You'll spend the whole run hunting the duos that make hangover stack three more times and deal damage like 30% faster. With Hestia, you can at least stack a bunch of Scorch and forget about it, but with Dio you not only have very lacking dot, you also have to constantly worry about reapplying it, if you want it to do anything at all

[@redvenomweb]

I think heroic Spontaneous Combustion was the secret - well, not Most Valuable Player, but maybe Most Improved Player? - of this run, and something to aim for in a scorch build if Air Quality isn't feasible. Starting every scorch application at 180 makes a huge difference in Fire Extinguisher damage, triggering it about twice as often.

[@ellyann4603]

I tried a scorch build in the past with daggers atk to apply scorch fast Demeter cast to proc the duo with Hestia (burn x2 when you apply frost and cast proc often without you doing much) Hephaistos run (duo with demeter reset frost cd) You just apply 1000 burn, drop a cast and run around the boss and it multiply x2 every second, I reached 100k on Cronos. It's fun but it doesn't feel like burn demage are doing as much damage as direct damages. Appolo makes for a great 4th god.

[@stevenneiman1554]

On the subject of forsaking Slow Cooker, what you did was roll it away in your foolish quest to get Fire Extinguisher. What Forsaking does is stop the other two things which were offered when you chose your boon from showing again, but if you rerolled the options, the choices you were offered before the reroll are not forsaken.

[@Haelian]

I know, I just forgot I rolled it.

[@stevenneiman1554]

it strikes me that Thermal Dynamics+Air Quality could make for a devastating combo. As long as you keep inflicting Blitz, AQ will make the scorch damage high enough to re-proc it very quickly.

[@KINGSMELLMYFART2]

I'm guessing the first hit of scorch deals the 30 damage, then everything after that counts up from 30. So if you apply 60 scorch it does 30 for the first tick then an additional 59. Idk tho I'm not a science

[@Verto4321]

Did a scorch/blitz on the batons had the red and yellow lightning, looked cool, was fun

[@malikhittam1440]

Still waiting for you to do an afk chronos build video

[@InVerum]

This was THE run hot damn.

[@Blastonite_ttv]

You can 100% see an fps difference in SOME games. Mainly shooters from my experience where there's lots of flicking and quick movements.

[@holynder3181]

I think demeter having 2 curses will be more balanced when there are more gods in the game. Even right now it’s not insane, although I do think it upsets the otherwise fun balance of getting curses for origination.

[@Annokh]

Honestly, Duo-worthy interaction. At the same time, it's one you reeeeally feel stupid about for not at least trying it before.

[@paublo1307]

fire

[@maximtelegin2907]

paublo you have made my day

[@RemiliaScarlett]

Scorch is very good when paired with duo booms, the only duo of Hestia that's bad is the one with Apolo

[@tihomirkostic9043]

Im so early for new broken stuff. Hell yea

[@dinostorion]

love sick heart is the heartbreaker

[@stevenwojtysiak6392]

Framerate discussion: IMO, 3D environment, first person games benefit greatly from higher refresh rate. Games like Hades or side scrollers, not so much. In either case, it is preferable to have a stable framerate, be it 30, 60 or 120+ than to deal with refresh rates that are constantly bouncing all over the place.

[@Haelian]

Can definitely agree that what's most important is the stability.

[@MyraTalisen]

Haven't used scorch much. It seems a bit weak atm. It's also a bad match for the axe, my favorite weapon.

[@johneary1317]

Above 60 FPS? My ROG Strix 15 laptop can hit 200+ FPS for Hades 2, and I can attest, there is really no noticeable difference. The graphics might be a little SMOOTHER with a lot of shit going on at once, but when I cap the Frame Rate at 60FPS, there really is no difference. The only real reason for the FPS flex is when I want to play something like Star Citizen, I can still get great FPS.

[@SURok695]

How does air quality increases the damage if the scorch deals 40 damage and air quality threshold is 30?

[@threes_leaves]

scorch deals 40dps, not all at once. so air quality boosts each tick of damage to 30, making it 120dps.

[@SURok695]

@@threes_leaves Does it? From the description and from my experience it have one instance of damage per second. Would be nice if SGG wrote this in the description of scorch, they have done this with other DoT boons, showing the frequency of damage.

[@pogo_the_spike5472]

@@SURok695 29:34 Haelian mentioned it. Maybe devs just wrote the description that way to make it easier to understand.

[@dodang_9147]

it is 40 damage per second but the raw value is 10 damage per 0.25 seconds. It is written on Smoldering ring for scorch does. Air quality makes it 30 per 0.25 second. It turns 40 dps per second to 120 dps. This is known combo since day 1.

[@stevester553]

Also Hestia's legendary and air quality does the same damage as just air quality as the legendary only gets you to 20 per tick and air quality boosts it to 30

[@austin2994]

Ty for the builds. Can we get a 16 32 fear vids?

[@Haelian]

I have a guide video here discussing Fear: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYmTfp2dpLqWiKM I also have at least 1 video for each weapon at 32 Fear, anything in particular you're looking for? (The playlist in the description might help you find something).

[@austin2994]

@@Haelian The new easy 32 guide was epic. I got my 16 fears clear using it. The 5min clear is something i'm working towards. TY Boss.

[@lolmanthecat]

Seeing Haelian play makes me realized I have been playing this game very wrong... :|

[@AzemSP]

I promise you can identify 30 FPS on sight. I can turn on a game I’ve never played or seen, and trust 30fps is noticeable. Bloodborne 30 fps sucks because it makes the game less smooth and the game gets frame drops anyway so being far above 30 is nice to compensate.

[@CodyKricketune]

apparently its scientifically proven that the human eye can see up to 120 fps and nothing more.

[@pedromoura8806]

it would be nice if you used that dps mod

[@Haelian]

Doesn't exist for Hades 2 yet

[@pedromoura8806]

@@Haelian Jowday's DPS Meter

[@tanewby3861]

that was awesome

[@fire1487]

FPS is not as important in games like hades and some other single player experiences but in first person shooters it is definitely easier to see/ more important

[@SalamiCellar]

Ares was pretty ass in hades 1 in my opinion, whenever I got his boons I rolled my eyes

[@laurenmcintyre1954]

104 Charon Cards 😂

[@dariusdrake7515]

FPS shouldn't really make much of a difference for games, but for live action movies it's actually quite noticeable. Though the higher FPS the movies need to be shot at makes prostetics and make-up normally not noticeable on camera easily apparent.

[@levipeterken4020]

I don't think FPS concerns over game is an over-fought "battle". The difference from 30-60 is very noticeable. You can maybe get used to 30 after enough time on it, sure. But that doesn't detract from the fact 60 is just way better. It's why it will feel ugly going back to 30 from 60. People don't need to push hard for anything above 60 though

[@O_MagicPants_O]

Algorithms

[@DistressedCrab]

Feeling vindicated about the FPS thing lmao

[@anitaremenarova6662]

What is bro on about, Scorch was always good.

[@Catwomans_Belt]

i wonder if they'll touch up scorch or if they intended it to be best on weapons like the torches, aspect of momus and persephone because if a build can consistently beat the game in under 20 minutes with no deaths then i think it's completely fine

[@joedorben3504]

beating the game is not what balancing is for. anything can beat the game in under 20 minutes, even the worst build on the worst aspect in the very first EA version. sub 20 minutes is not fast and that is not what balancing is needed to optimize

[@Foolish_S0]

I mean I got a 15minute run on Sprint only I don't think this is what our balancing target should be lol

[@SURok695]

How does air quality increases the damage if the scorch deals 40 damage and air quality threshold is 30?

[@habibyahya788]

scorch damage is dealt gradually. so scorch damage 40 means you will stack 40 debuff on enemy. and the enemy will be damaged by 1 per tick until the stack is gone. so by that logic, because the minimum damage is 30, it will be damaged by 30 per tick making it better.

[@habibyahya788]

I don't think it increase the damage overall. it's just making scorch damage dealt quicker because instead of reducing the damage stack 1 by 1, it reduces it by 30 every ticks.

[@keystonelyte]

​@habibyahya788 an increase to DPS is an increase to overall damage. With your logic, no build can increase "overall damage," because your damage is limited by enemy HP.

[@em688]

It's unclear what the actual effect ticks are, but it's currently multiplying scorch DPS by a large amount and likely not affecting the stacks of "scorch" on the enemy. As soon as it was picked up damage clearly increased substantially with what appears to be little effect on the rate scorch was getting stacked on enemies. How much it ACTUALLY increases the ticks by is unclear. I'd be incredibly surprised if it were actually ticking a 1scorch=1damage 40 times per second from a computer programming perspective. It just uses a ton of resources for no reason. If it's like 10scorch = 10 damage 4 times per second, then Air Quality would increase scorch DPS and damage by 3x. It's clearly a substantial increase to both however.

[@dodang_9147]

@@em688 I always used to use Air quality+Scorch or Slip on Torches or Blitz+Scorch duo on primary. These all well known combinations. Torch is still kinda ass right now.