Haiden Deegan Factory Bike Claimed | Major Drama at Loretta Lynn’s Am National

[@colbster54trains]

This rule makes sense... this is AMATEUR racing, not pros yet... if star doesn't want to lose their bike secrets and expensive parts they shouldn't bring a factory bike to an amateur race... it evens the playing field for those who cant afford to build a factory machine

[@CiVilianGroup]

Mod class who races stock bike in those?

[@roostertail9220]

Rules are rules. Harassing that kid was very poor class and it would of been a lot of class for them to give the kid the bike and promote it instead of harassing him and threatening his sponsors. Very poor class on these cheaters. Haden is a good rider and shouldn't need it. I think i will support other bike manufacturers from now on. 2023 Yamaha is pretty ugly and now this. 👎👎👎👎👎5 thumbs down for star Yamaha and not to happy with the Deegan's.

[@aaronjellison9572]

Well that's bullshit bc if Yamaha is willing to give a different bike then so be it

[@brendonborrego4911]

@@CiVilianGroup you have ~$7,500 in upgrades available. Maybe the cap should be raised with the cost of motors, A-Kit and so on… but a rule is a rule to help level the playing field.

[@justinhughett9828]

No bike on that starting line was "factory" let's not be stupid. If you believe that your ignorant

[@jaymckoskey25]

If the accounts isolation and intimidation of Brennen Schofield are accurate then Brian Deegan and Tim Cotter ought to be sanctioned in a serious way by the AMA. If Yamaha actually threatened a dealer's franchise that is disgusting. Yamaha should be seriously sanctioned by the AMA. If the AMA doesn't investigate this and protect its rules integrity and future bike claimers I'll be very disappointed.

[@dezrtrat702]

Yes sir!

[@HarborEdwin]

As of today, Schofield's sponsorship took his bikes back : /

[@jaymckoskey25]

@@HarborEdwin So the retaliation continues. The mob boss mentality runs deep in the Yamaha organization it seems.

[@will8743]

Absolutely!

[@traveler142]

@@jaymckoskey25 lol... it was all Bull Shit... the engine builder talked Brennen into claiming Deegan's bike, it was the engine builders 17 grand... he just used Brennen to get the bike, it was Brennen's Dad who stepped up and dropped the claim. there was Never any bullying or threats, it was all a lie to get name recognition, clicks... the Engine Builder and Brennen should be banned from AMA for a year or two... life...?

[@mattschwensen9562]

The AMA rule is to stop factory machines being raced in amateur events. I would love to see more of these claims made and followed through on. The factory teams are bringing a gun to a knife fight and it's simply not fair. If they lost a few bikes maybe they would bring a $20k bike to the event with off the shelf mods and not a $50k one full of unatanium. Don't get me wrong I still think Hayden would be one of the fastest kids out there but at least every one would be on similar equipment as a amateur event should be.

[@tinagross1504]

100%…I might start claiming bikes. Might be cheaper to compete.

[@tinagross1504]

Tina Gross here

[@jeromejeffrey]

To me, the claiming rule makes complete sense in amateur racing as a way of allowing everyone to be competitive. That said, there may be better ways to ensure fair competition. This can certainly debated and well intentioned people can differ in opinion. However, there is no debate that this rule was in place at the time. The bigger issue BY FAR, is the multiple reports of how this was handled which clearly requires an AMA investigation. If the investigation finds that any adult isolated, interrogated, berated, intimidated, etc. a MINOR child without their parents or guardian present, that needs to result in a HUGE penalty from the AMA. If it was a member of the MX Sports promotion group, a member of the Star Yamaha team, etc., there needs to be even bigger penalties and people should be fired. Additionally, if a manufacturer was found to be making threats to a dealer in an effort to indirectly strong arm a rider into not making a completely legal claim, that should also involve a huge penalty. Anything less than a full investigation and appropriate penalties will significantly impugn the integrity of the AMA and would establish a precedent that they can be strong-armed themselves, even at the expense of a child competing under their authority. The upside is if they find that the kid wasn't pressured and these reports are false, then everyone is cleared. Last thought. There's basically no chance Haiden had anything to do with this, and he's a child as well, so he should not be held accountable in any way. He seems like a great kid who's crazy fast and doing everything asked of him. I can't wait to see him turn pro.

[@nzsnowsoljah1012]

Lol claim was a dog sheet move... There's a reason why it doesn't happen year in year out......

[@jeromejeffrey]

@@nzsnowsoljah1012 If you don't like the move, is that because you believe that the rule is flawed or unfair? If so, what would you replace it with, keeping in mind the goal of making sure the cost of being competitive at amateur events is reasonable, so factory racers don't have a huge advantage riding $50K bikes. I believe in the pros they required that most/all parts on the bike are available to the public at a reasonable price, but I think that still results in some really expensive bikes. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

[@nzsnowsoljah1012]

@@jeromejeffrey I believe it is flawed like every else who hasn't used it in the last 20odd years.... He's racing a 250b mod class. Theres also from my understanding at a 250 c stock class? Which is available to those that cant afford or don't wish to ride against modded bikes?

[@nzsnowsoljah1012]

@@jeromejeffrey I'd also like to know how you would feel if you were in the Deegans shoes, and every milestone/championship bike you've ever raced sits proudly ready for a display/show room and some kid comes along to to take what may be one of the most important bikes in that trophy room away from you?????? How would you feel?? Especially knowing the last time anyone bothered using that rule

[@jeromejeffrey]

@@nzsnowsoljah1012 Losing a sentimental bike is certainly one downside of the rule. Additionally, a bike ridden by such an online celebrity might have additional value so we could end up with bikes being claimed because their market value is greater than 2X MSRP even if the bikes are relatively stock. That said, if this rule were to be removed, how do you propose we maintain a reasonably level playing field in the mod class? Most seem to agree that amateur races aren't an appropriate place for $40k factory bikes, but maybe you disagree given your comment about the stock classes. Maybe we should have more of those and fewer mod classes?

[@Randy_Cox]

This isn't some new rule that just came out. This rule was put in place to keep teams from making these unobtainium bikes and having a money advantage. I am 100% behind this rule and wish more people claimed bikes as the current state of team bikes vs average rider bikes is just crazy. Rules just like this are in every racing body that is not pro only. I think the threats and leverage used by powerful people is just a sign of how corrupt everything is and how back scratching and behind the scenes deals are everywhere. Disgusting

[@FarmerFpv]

BS the rule is crap. This kid only claimed the bike because he was getting smoked by Haiden. Haiden still smoked them with a stock engine installed.

[@jimmyhorsefly9304]

@@FarmerFpv Easy Farmer. If the bike was not overworked, we wouldn't be talking about this. The rule is in place to help keep it fair. The Deegan's are loaded so obviously the bike was also loaded.

[@overruncunttube]

@@FarmerFpv so u admit it had a factory motor?

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

Have no titanium or what ever rule Most all the bikes anyone can buy online parts Mod bikes do motors have to be stock ? Why not just have race commissaries do random motor inspections like other racing around the world You yanks are funny CLAIMED what is this 1845 back in the gold rush 🤣

[@JW-jh7zv]

@@Simon-Simon-Simon Mod bikes can have anything done to the motor.

[@chrisrose2108]

Rules are rules regardless of how you “think” or how you “feel”. Thoughts and feelings mean nothing. Don’t like the rules, then don’t race, take your bike and go home.

[@seanc6754]

Lmfao right! Even more hilarious thing is it's not even the deegan's bike it belongs to Yamaha,!! It's not the deegan didn't pay for with their own money they get paid to ride it.. I mean I was really never a Brian deegan fan in the first place because he was always so arrogant and acted like he owned freestyle Motocross but I respected him. But when he got his panties all in a bunch and pissed off at Travis pastrana because Travis was doing tricks nobody was doing or couldn't do and was better at monetizing and making money off of it then the metal militia that's when I lost most of the respect I had for him. It always felt like he felt so entitled like he's the one who should be getting all the praise for what Travis is doing the thing was is he wasn't doing what Travis was doing. Anyways I could go on forever cuz I've been watching supercross and Motocross since I watched Jeremy McGrath in 1996 lap everybody up to second or third place or some crazy crap on that legendary Honda 250 he was riding

[@15007172]

The rule exists to keep the machines fairly equal. If everyone don’t like the rule, change it! But it’s the current rule for parity.

[@BrianMcNeill25]

So I love analogies. If you dined at a restaurant and laid down a $1000 tip, and came back the next day and expected change, do you think you would get it? Of course not. When anyone participated in an amateur MX race they are subject to this same thing if they invest more than the claiming rule amount. It is more for LL vs normal AMA events but it’s idiotic to over invest and risk the loss of value and secrets or else you chalk it up as the cost of doing business for Star to lay down more than 17k worth of bike at this race. Also, if they hadn’t invested so much, then it would have solved 2 problems. 1) they wouldn’t wouldn’t lose the value and 2) the worst part, they wouldn’t lose a bike that they have probably spent weeks or months getting prepped just the way Deegan wants it, when he will probably race the same bike in the amateur days the next 2 weeks to get the points to go pro. Realistically they have several of these bikes and could give him the exact replica if the issue was sentimental value. Likely though, they laid their money on the table thinking it would be there when they came back. The other antics are pure extortion threatening the sponsor.

[@hosscullop3019]

Bcg

[@rhettnalder3191]

I agree

[@slimchancejw]

I love it! It helps the average to poor competitor to compete! If the rich and and factory riders don’t like then ride stock bikes like the rest of us! How do they think it’s ever fair if a rider has unlimited bikes and parts and mechanics while the less fortunate, but probably more talented rider can barely afford gas and definitely not a spare bike! Love the rule

[@lukekelly5115]

Dude pretty much no one is showing up to Loretta poor. The kid had 17k cash ready. And there isn't anyone that holds a light to Deegan right now poor or rich... he had the fastest lap of the week including out of the pros.

[@Espenrip]

@@lukekelly5115 so this “claimer” thinks that by having 17k cash to “claim” another rider’s bike, will make him any faster??? Will make him a champion??? Is this the whole intention of claiming a bike? Or is there any other “ill-intent”??? Because they just can’t accept the fact that Haiden is just super fast and super talented.

[@lategod]

they aren’t poor lmao

[@lategod]

@@Espenripexactly that’s what makes it weird

[@robertrishel3685]

You’re 100%. If it’s a rule, it should be honored in good faith by all parties. In my opinion Yamaha should have just leaned into it and used it as a positive PR move, possibly even used it as advertising material. The way it was handled is seriously wrong. That being said, I think the rule in practice is a really bad idea. It makes the manufacturers hold back on potential race technology which is what advances the sport. For amateur racing however, one could argue that such a rule could help keep the costs of equipment from getting outrageous and could narrow the gap in equipment, making the racing more competitive and fair at the start line. For it to work, however, it needs to be honored in a positive, sportsmanlike manner. Shame on Yamaha for allowing people to represent them like this. Further, a talent like Deegan doesn’t need exotic machinery at the amateur lever, the kid would win on bone stock equipment. When this kid made the claim, it should have been handshakes and photographs; NOT intimidation and threats.

[@rickschultz8014]

Just to commit on what you said about Deegan don't need this type of bike factory. From what I've heard star got the bike back 2 hours before his last moto and put a stock motor in it just in case someone else wanted to do it again on his last Moto. And if you see what happened in his last moto he stomped on everyone in that last moto with a stock motor.

[@dennisnbrown]

@@rickschultz8014 If you believe that any engine in a Star bike is stock you are crazy.

[@racetronics]

@@rickschultz8014 as I understand the rule, the kid claiming the bike actually gets both motors.

[@Espenrip]

I wanna “claim” your bike because I’m a sore loser, im wishy-washy that your factory bike will make me faster too!!! 😆 😂 i will be a champion someday with that bike.

[@robertsmith1030]

Yamaha could of saved face I agree they should of told the deegans wait a min this kid has a f***ing brain let's pick him up now and get h on our train cause he's smart and he would be a better asset the a bitter rival ... Stupid move on deegans and Yamaha very disappointing and foul as f*** the moves and name calling , insinuating, power moves by threats disgusted how they pulled this shit never buy a thing that has deegan name on it period..

[@angelosantaniello4113]

It’s in the rule book so the kid has a right to claim it, this is nothing new the AMA had this rule in the 70’s, I believe Marty Tripes factory Honda was claimed, I’m sure the claiming rule will be gone next year

[@kYnTso]

Its wont change so technically if you have a big wallet u can go and claim everyones bike so that they would have nothing to ride with.

[@angelosantaniello4113]

@ROFLCOPTERLOL well all I can say when a factory Honda was claimed the rule stopped immediately back in the day

[@8180634]

@@angelosantaniello4113 can you cite a specific reference? The rule is still in effect, so I'm not sure what you mean by the rule stopped?

[@angelosantaniello4113]

@@8180634 the claiming rule was allowed at the nationals, the factory teams were actually frightened, so the AMA dropped it

[@8180634]

@@angelosantaniello4113 ah different series with different goals.

[@philrc1]

I have had my engine "Claimed" at a race where that was a rule. However, the engine could only be claimed after the last race of that event. I think that's the only fair way to do it. Being able to claim it before the main event would not be a fair rule.

[@jeromejeffrey]

The AMA accounted for this by impounding the bike but then allowing Haiden and Yamaha access to the bike to prep and race Schoolboy 2 the next day and give it up after that. That was what was going to happen and then the claim was rescinded before the Schoolboy 2 race.

[@jonashworth3827]

they impound the bike and label all the parts so stuff cant be swapped off. you still get to finish your motos / races with the bike if you need it. the rule does NOT leave you empty handed with no bike to ride.

[@doogzford]

@@jonashworth3827 it does leave him without a bike. Is he ment to buy and build another bike and do months of testing before the next round. It's a scumbag rule. The ama should be able to do spot inspections on bike but not having it stolen from the owner.

[@jonashworth3827]

@@doogzford dude, reread my post above you. I think you grossly misunderstood this rule. At no point does anyone not have a bike to ride or get fucked out of their moto. They just dont give you an opportunity to swap the good stuff off the bike for cheap stuff after the claim, cus they impound the bike and only let you work on it under ama supervision so nothing gets stolen. The claimant gets the.bike they claimed in the EXACT condition it was raced in.

[@cowboythomas5904]

Why doesn't the AMA just set a rule limiting how much money can be put into bikes in these amateurs?..

[@EverydayImTECHnIt]

You really can't fault the kid who claimed it obviously it worked out great for him from what I've heard got a couple free motors and whatever other perks I don't understand why the Deegans would care at all they don't own the bike also it's not the Deegans fault what's on the bike or what's off of it that's Yamaha's screwup and Yamaha's decision what they want to run on Deegans bike as much as it kind of seems like a screwy rule the rule definitely serves a purpose obviously Yamaha got caught with their pants down I don't think this reflects bad at all on the Deegans but more or less Yamaha screwed up and was willing to go to some pretty crazy lengths to fix their own mistake.

[@racingwrld]

it wasnt the kid, it was his engine tech

[@kYnTso]

Obviously the Deegans cared because they still had 1 moto left for the championship and it was claimed before that.

[@jonashworth3827]

@@kYnTso the ru le doesnt stop him from using the bike to finish the event bro. the bike just gets impounded between motos adn the parts tagged so they cant swap stuff off it without anyone knowing. the kid gets to keep the bike in the condition he claimed it in.

[@EverydayImTECHnIt]

@@jonashworth3827 what he said lol

[@Espenrip]

I will claim your bike NOW, coz that will make me a champion too. Champion for losers! 😂

[@BikesandBlickeys]

Rules are rules, and rules to even the playing field are a good thing. The shady shit going on with the promoter and Yamaha calling the sponsor not cool at all. The Deegans and Yamaha shouldn’t have brought a bike they weren’t willing to lose. Haiden is a good enough rider he doesn’t need it

[@xXJBrutalXx]

this rule doesn't even the playing field. you would have to be an idiot to think otherwise. it just passes the advantage on to someone else. and screws people out of the time, money and resources they put into their bike. no matter if it happens to the Deegan's or not.

[@jaredswords3]

@@xXJBrutalXx I agree it's a ridiculous rule.

[@BikesandBlickeys]

@@xXJBrutalXx it may not be the best way to even the playing field, but it is a deterrent to those with more resources from building a bike unobtainable to the rest of the field. “You would have to be an idiot to think otherwise” lmao 😂

[@jonashworth3827]

@@xXJBrutalXx no it doesnt, because THEYRE NOT SUPPOSED TO OVER INVEST IN THE BIKE DUDE! they wouldnt lose shit if they didnt over commit like they did.

[@how2diy7]

Wish I would of known about this rule during the Covid bike rush, I could of gotten a killer deal on a bike with A-kit. 😂

[@rickslusher7686]

Yamaha is 100% at fault. So wrong! Rule is there for this exact reason.

[@woodman4989]

He doesn’t even need that engine. They put a stock one in for his last race and he dominated. When my son raced a lot of dads put big bore kits in the 250f’s. Always been cheating in racing

[@8180634]

Is it Yamaha or Star? Who built the bike?

[@tylerruckdeschell]

@@8180634 Star is Yamaha's factory team, so technically both are involved here.

[@chewyb383]

The rule exists to even the field. Not everyone can afford to drop an unlimited amount of resources on a bike. I think they should have given him the claim. If they don't like it, then they shouldn't have brought a factory bike to an Amateur race. Don't like it, then get the rule changed. Leveraging another kids ride against him for doing something allowed by the rules is wrong.

[@zcole6612]

I think In the Mod classes it should be 3 or 4 time the MSRP to claim a bike the family definitely got alot of pressure but they could have taken the bike . Would have Definitely been a career ender but I don't think this was well thought out on there part . And I hope the family is left alone . People are absolutely crazy as hell these days.

[@M3FTMFW]

End whose career ? Deegan wasn’t cheating. STAR just didn’t want anyone getting hold of the engine.

[@zcole6612]

@@M3FTMFW the kid that tried to claim Deegans bike . His Career with sponsors and fans I wouldn't want to be in his shoes

[@M3FTMFW]

@@zcole6612 you I though about your post after. I thought you meant deegan. Agreed. The kid was put up to it by his engine builder apparently so I feel sorry for him

[@dadman9492]

Its been a rule for a very long time. It helps define amatuer and pro racing. Only ignorant people don’t know about it if ur racing at this level. Bikes have been claimed before. I don’t know why this is any different. Taking a kid into a room and trying to manipulate him is not a good look.

[@dylanlevy2107]

If your so smart an followed up to date you'd also know a bike hasn't been claimed in 20 years or something like that.. lol they wanted deegans bike for money, an if not they wanted the ECU which could break the industry cause it's the best pro bike of the class. Kid has no right to jack a bike an this rule is gonna be removed

[@dadman9492]

@@dylanlevy2107 Thank you for ur response. You are correct. A bike hasn’t been claimed at this amateur race in many years, since honda lost a bike to a claim and the industry learned the hard way don’t bring exotic machinery to an amateur race. When Carmichael raced lorettas he didn’t bring an ex factory bike, instead he bought a modded shelf bike - he showed intelligence and an awareness of the rules surrounding this amateur event. The GOAT was not ignorant and also did not want to be accused of being a cheater. Smart. Likewise, team kawasaki uses shelf bikes for their riders because they are not ignorant - they are smart - and do not want to be accused of cheating. As to your thought that the rule will be deleted - it’s possible, but as you rightly point out, it has kept riders and teams honest for the last 25 years and stopped claims. Until now. As i said in my earlier post, it’s a bad look.

[@dylanlevy2107]

@@dadman9492 I'd get it if it was another company bringing some kid in but it's literally a Yamaha rider they have every right to call him and his dealership an say we will cut your contracts ... Snakes get their heads cut off that's how it works

[@jonashworth3827]

@@dylanlevy2107 no no no. they have ZERO Right to call his sponsor / local dealer. that guy has NOTHING to do with the choice to claim the bike.

[@dylanlevy2107]

@@jonashworth3827 Yamaha could call his dealer tomorrow if none of this even happened an revoke their license 😂💯 also if they sponsor him they can remove him to anytime they want if he's a snake soooooo?

[@brianflick3024]

The curveball in all of this stems around the fact that this bike belongs to someone that is on his way to becoming one of the greats, both on the track and off. It is that wildcard aspect, if you will, that makes this one very tricky for one to snatch a bike at 2x the value. Nuts and bolts aside, the value could be limitless for sports collectors, traders, etc. That bike could potentially fetch quite a bit of money. I don't have a dog in the fight and I am only now seeing this rule get thrown out there. It is an interesting concept, that now, needs some addressing given the youtube/social media world we live in. That bike, even stock, is worth substantially more than 2x because Haiden Deegen raced it.

[@Espenrip]

Jeremy McGrath, Ricky Carmichael are GOATS, and NONE of their RACE BIKES been bought for six figures.

[@robertsmith1030]

Exactly so they should of known better to put a factory bike in a fucking amateur situation, in fact it just shows how big headed they have become , which is exactly why this rules in place , seems the almost pro and their factory backer were the ones thinking amateur actually ! When head ges are being played that require choices - choose not to play !!! Gotta serve the table before you can eat at it ! ! Almost pro is not pro yet just like the rest of the racers there ..

[@HillBilly1905]

I believe Yamaha getting involved is definitely wrong. I’m a fan of Brian and there KZbin I hope the real story comes out this could definitely hurt them. If you listen to the whiskey throttle podcast with star they “say” they don’t bring factory bikes to LL.

[@CiVilianGroup]

Only hurt them if ppl believe these ppl who have added lies into the whole ordeal. These click baiters using a 16 yr olds name to financially benefit especially if they’re spreading lies will have lawsuits thrown at them. Will get real interesting real quick behind the scenes. Johnny deep can explain what lies told on you will do to you and what you can do in court of law to clear the air n get justice.

[@HillBilly1905]

I watched a live KZbin with Brian yesterday. I believe it’s all been blown out for click bait. I’m a fan of star and Brian seeing everyone slam them because people want views is crazy

[@603MX]

Amateurs should only be racing showroom bikes with modest modifications. That would be controls, intake and exhaust. Basically anything that involves splitting a case is not allowed. That would end this and put the focus on the rider not the bike.

[@SSRacing66]

I think it's wrong that Yamaha may have been strong arming the claimer and claimer's dealer . IMO, Yamaha and Star racing should've been involved with the decision about what bike to take to LL for this very reason. Pretty foolish to take a bike like that to a race that you cant afford to lose to a claimer .

[@jimmyhorsefly9304]

But they can afford to lose it. They're just butt hurt.

[@kYnTso]

Bad timing by the claimer. Should have claimed it after the final moto of Deegan. Obviously everyone got pissed off in the Deegan camp when theyr bike was taken away before the final moto for the championship. Claiming doesn`t happen very often so i guess Star wasn`t expecting it but after that sht they changed the motor to a stock one just in case someone else comes.

[@SSRacing66]

You really think they didn’t have a spare bike in the truck ???

[@cole-kevinnorman9158]

All i can say is Yamaha is is on point if you want the star race bike go work your self to the bone and earn the bike yourself not some rule you think you going to take advantage of and act as if you don't know what you doing will have consequences in the end.

[@chriscurbstompscm]

I 100% understand the rule and why it exists, to help even the field. I also understand why Brian would be overly suspicious, and I understand there's several reasons someone would want to buy that specific bike for $17k. But I can't lie, if the AMA forced me to sell my bike, I would be pretty upset too. I wonder how often people do this at Loretta's? I know it's an older rule, but I hadn't heard of it until now. So I'm curious to know how often people take advantage of this rule.

[@tomcox7221]

Happen to alessi

[@xXJBrutalXx]

@Scooty Puff Jr. so this new kid being on the bike isnt going to have an advantage over anyone?? this is the dumbest effing rule i have ever heard of. the same bike is still going to be in the field just with a different rider. so if this kid starts winning on this bike what then?? there are other rules you can put in to place that doesn't involve screwing people out of the time and money they put into their bikes.

[@roostertail9220]

$220,000.00 race bike or should I say a hole shot bike. I could sell the secrets to that bike for more than a million to other factory bike companies. The info in that bike is worth more than you think. That's why it should not be allowed to race with kids that can barely afford to make it there.

[@roostertail9220]

Haden would of gotten way more props if they did something really cool for the kid.

[@xXJBrutalXx]

@Scooty Puff Jr. it doesn't level anything. it just moves the mountain top. leveling the playing field would be putting restrictions on bikes. then enforcing those restrictions before and after the races.

[@flare4207]

It’s ridiculous that you can just take another riders bike like that even for 2x the price but Yamaha shouldn’t be able to pressure the kid and that was wrong but I think the deegans have a right to be mad or fight it, it’s Haidens first factory bike and you know Brian has a record of keeping important bikes in his shop and it could be sentimental to them and not that they are trying to hide him cheating

[@ctone12]

Precisely why you don’t show up to lorettas on a factory level machine

[@colbster54trains]

Its a good rule, makes things fair for ametuers. You can wait spend thousands and thousands on a pro bike

[@colbster54trains]

This rule makes sense... this is AMATEUR racing, not pros yet... if star doesn't want to lose their bike secrets and expensive parts they shouldn't bring a factory bike to an amateur race... it evens the playing field for those who cant afford to build a factory machine

[@angel387mx]

Sorry for Star Racing and the Deegans, but a rule is a rule. This remember me of the factory Honda RC 250 of Marty Tripes claimed by a privateer in 1978!!! Yes, I'm an old guy...

[@therawlifefamily]

The rule is there 100% to prevent places like star from spending 100k on a bike. This is a very common rule in motorsports

[@michaelporter1229]

If it’s a rule you gotta play by them. Even if your a freakin Deegan! Don’t bring a factory bike to an amateur race. Duh

[@jeremystevenson4801]

Chicken shit move. The kid and Deegan got into each other at south wick a few months ago and the kid was clearly upset in the video. Throwing his hands up at Deegan. This was definitely planned after that happened. Chicken shit move. What’s more important is the fact that Deegan was the fastest at the ranch by a long shot

[@jfratis9081]

All irrelevant.

[@kelliebrooks9094]

It takes so much time to get used to the switch to a factory bike..i bought a 1997 KX 250 2 stroke new i hated it the motor power band was crap..i traded it for 96 steel frame CR 250...my kawi went tom morgan..an the new owner of it wanted me to ride it tom morgan is mike larocco engine builder 1994 years...the bike was so much faster in a corner it literally tryed to shoot out from under me...it was so fast my timing was so far off i needed real time to practice on it bevause i wasnt able to ride it it was so much faster...that was a stock bike that went to a guy who does factory motors...i think for team kawi usa...im sure haiden bike is stock ama legal its just got everything done to it that the rule book will allow...thanks this was a good peace Tyler thanks for bringing the villan out...he was a very sharp young guy...

[@mtb900mx]

You go in fully knowing what can happen and they had the cash. If it were me I would have said too bad have the rules changed.

[@tyspangler8302]

Best video I’ve seen over this topic by far. If it were me I’d want the mike just as memorabilia. We all know danger boy is legit with his skill, I know a rules a rule but they probably just wanted the bike to keep to be able to look back on his achievements

[@efficienttoker]

Brian Deegan is pretty sentimental about bikes. Go watch his shop tour. He’s kept all of Haidens Loretta’s bikes, his old bikes, his deceased friends old bikes, his other kids first bikes, etc. I think it was far more of a personal matter for him and had nothing to do with secret parts.

[@nzsnowsoljah1012]

100% that's what I thought straight away

[@dennisnbrown]

So what. You know the hat there is a claim. Don’t throw a fit. I believe it’s much more than that though. That bike is trick

[@jmac636]

Adam Chatfield still has Mike Alessi’s cr85 he claimed, lol. Honestly I like the Deegans but the rule is there to deter people from riding factory bikes that would give them an advantage. The rich always have some leverage and this isn’t right. Loretta’s is suppose to be about scouting for future prospects in the sport. You notice Haiden didn’t run any Limited classes.

[@KincadePavich]

I think it's ridiculous that rule exists at all. I'd be so pissed if someone tried to buy my bike that wasn't for sale.

[@therawlifefamily]

Everyone knows about the rule in advance. It's to prevent rich people from spending 100k on a bike. There are limits to who can claim the bike, just like there are limits as to who can protest a rider. Also, let's be fair - the deegan's don't own any of the star bikes.

[@timbjork2098]

saw you at millville in the pits, I wanted to yell hey but my group was in a hurry to get to a spot to watch.

[@bradgraham8272]

I think yamaha has every right to push back and be able to offer alternatives. You can't just go after a factory bike and expect yamaha to just say yes sure you can have it. Kid wasnt doing anything more than trying to bring eyes to his name and youtube channel.

[@TraviNomotion]

Yeah I fully agree with you this whole thing is stupid

[@colbster54trains]

This rule makes sense... this is AMATEUR racing, not pros yet... if star doesn't want to lose their bike secrets and expensive parts they shouldn't bring a factory bike to an amateur race... it evens the playing field for those who cant afford to build a factory machine

[@itzmixy4144]

Me personally I think the rule makes sense, but I don't think its right how they just claimed his bike that is set for him how he wants with an upcoming championship, therefore Haiden now has limited time to get a new bike up to spec and how he needs it. For instance, that bike is set up how he wants it his handle bar placement, how much and where his breaks react, what the suspension is set to, etc. The rule is understandable, but I definitely think there needs to be limitations.

[@RatchetGamingNation]

You think a factory team full of factory trained mechanics don't already have a full documentation of every single aspect of his bike? They can replace Deegan's bike with another one in less than 24 hours to the exact same specs. This is just the Deegans being upset because they knew they shouldn't have taken a factory bike to Loretta's. If the kid got away with it, they could duplicate everything about Star's top-level bikes and market it. That's why there was such a hasty knee-jerk reaction by the whole Deegan team, getting Yamaha involved and bullying this kid into revoking his claim. It's simply the top-level teams bullying anyone below them.

[@Davido50]

In this case I think it was OK for Brian Deegan to be upset..what good Father wouldn't be!? Yamaha can flex its muscles but it's a fine line. A very fine line. Hope works out well for all parties involved.

[@kellybrown6988]

But was it ok for him and the other adult to try and intimidate the kid, who was by himself?

[@theexisting1514]

It bums me out to see you hoping on the train for this drama. I love this channel for learning new things about riding. Not for drama

[@Texastrailrider]

Claim rules are prevalent in a lot of motorsports and while claimed drivers/riders might be annoyed it rarely devolves into this. Know the dollar amount you can be claimed for in the rulebook and don't overbuild for your class. Having a pro team throwing their weight around at an amateur event is BS. Loretta's is barely amateur these days anyway, maybe it's time to make some big changes to avoid having the millionaires throw a hissy fit when their factory bike gets claimed.

[@MichaelNowell724]

Why can’t the deegans just claim the bike themselves? 17,000 is nothing for them. The rule is stupid in the first place. How can you just take a bike away from a rider that’s been training on that bike getting it all dialed in.

[@jedielder7970]

... because the AMA states in the claim rules that you cannot claim your own bike.

[@racingwrld]

*Here's brian's response to the bike claim **kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5K5XouEr9qke6s*

[@TheAdamk407]

Why do they let bikes be claimed when the rider is still riding the bike and not wait until the racing is over? And if it got so big that Yamaha is involved why don’t they offer another way for him to buy a factory bike for around the same price?

[@Davido50]

Yea it's an odd & old rule.

[@jeromejeffrey]

The AMA had a process in place for this, so Haiden and his team would be able to prep and race the bike the next day in Schoolboy 2 and hand over the bike after that.

[@KevinMcMullen.]

Seems like a dumb rule. I wouldn't want someone taking my bike either. I don't blame them for trying to undo the bike claim.

[@XannyTs]

In all fairness I believe this is bullshit this should not be allowed. I believe this only be available if that rider give permission and says, "Yes I will sell the bike."

[@littlecaldwell2487]

You agree to the AMA rules when you sign up for the event. So it's best to know the rule book in and out.

[@XannyTs]

@@littlecaldwell2487 Thats still bullshit that the ama can just say oh yeah, this kid bought your bike and we spoke for you. like stand in Haidens shoes bro this is his first big win on a Factory 250 not to mention his first factory 250 and some random ass kid is pretty much just gonna take his bike to "See if he's faster" that's complete and utter horse shit in my opinion

[@jaredminor4385]

No body is taking anything. It's being purchased at 30 percent over MSRP after reading the comments it appears 90 percent of these people don't understand what this rule is in place for. But like I mentioned nj one is being given anything it's being purchased cash in hand on the spot no financing available hereeee. 871

[@bstevermer9293]

I’m jealous I did not think of this, kids smart!! Full blown race bike.

[@johngray722]

Tough luck for the deegans rules are rules should have a spare bike as they know this can happen

[@Mike-ps8rz]

We raced out of B series Mazda and 10 foot trailer with a damn near stock kx125 never had the money to claim a bike but we came and saw and raced hard. Had alotta fun too thats what amateur racing is about. Money will always be the king of racing tho. Nothing anyone can do about it. Cant go against your sponsoring dealer, im sure this is the case. They are both gone now but shoutout to Bare Brothers Honda and Atlas Honda! We miss you

[@geraldpearson6679]

You can't tell me that kid that claimed the bike wouldn't be mad if somebody came up and claimed his back for penny's on the dollar after he spent tons and tons and tons of hours getting it to exactly where he wants it and plus all the money that is dad has spent on it just for somebody to buy it for pennies on a dollar

[@jfratis9081]

you obviously have a reading comprehension deficit.

[@mustangracer5124]

I raced/built/tuned bikes way back in the 70s.. the factory dynos a pile of engines and picks the best ones for the 'top riders' they then get blueprinted to produce even more power.. not much in the 'trick parts category'.. you can bet though that some well thought out parts are on that bike.. if Yamaha doesn't want it to get out.. that says it all

[@antfal-n-everything7154]

Rules are rules, like banning 250 2strokes from there own class, Deegan's will triumph either way due to their strong work ethic.

[@MrSmith-ty4bg]

A 250 2 stroke and a 250 4 stroke isn’t even remotely the same bike nor would be in the same class

[@bobbythebuilder7109]

Wow I heard about some of this back and forth awhile back, and happy i found another video explaining more. And damn its sad how it was handled.. my family claimed a few bikes at lorettas when this first became a thing that ppl would do.. yamaha gave us the bikes without issue ( wont say whos they where ) then soon as me and my brothers started winning races on these bikes. Yamaha got behind us, and i can say that the bikes we claimed had only a small amount of all the parts that could have been on the bikes at that time, as many parts where introduced to us soon as we started to do MUCH better times with the few upgrades that where on the bikes we claimed..

[@burmblaster0796]

I think they should have let Haiden race and then they should try and buy the bike 🤷‍♂️

[@Daniel_Ktm250]

Yeah I 💯 percent agree

[@jmartinez4460]

I’m a fan of Danger boy but I agree if you don’t want to lose the bike don’t bring it to the race.

[@theexisting1514]

Brian said the guy who was going to front the cash is an engine builder with his own company. Seems pretty cheesy. If the rule only applied to stock classes I think that's fair. But for mod classes I think its cheesy.

[@jfratis9081]

irrelevant.

[@theexisting1514]

@@jfratis9081 your comment is irrevelant

[@theexisting1514]

@@jfratis9081 you're telling me if you spent thousssssands of dollars testing and creating an engine you'd be cool with an engine builder snagging your work so he can copy it?

[@jfratis9081]

@@theexisting1514 That's the rules my feelings have nothing to do with it.

[@jfratis9081]

@@theexisting1514 good one.

[@tinystowingtinyunis2957]

Claiming rules were in the 80s too. A rider claimed a factory bike and actually ruined his career. Nobody would sponsor him. This is why they changed some of the bike rules in the 89s too. All parts were to be available to any rider that's on a bike. Production rules changed the game

[@jeremyainsley3522]

shouldn’t be claimed, it’s literally someone trying to take someone’s glove in baseball they spent all their time on and then i being taken away because it was really good, not only taken away but given to another person that will b competing against you.

[@Gma_likes_bacon]

Add that to the list of reasons I don't care for the Deegans. Rules are rules. You don't like it, don't participate. They need to learn they are not untouchable.

[@ctone12]

Not cool at all. They obviously didn’t want anyone to know what was inside that bike, legal or not. They gambled it wouldn’t happen and flipped when it did. I heard from another video they swapped to a stock motor after the drama, Deegan still won. Yamaha looks bad. Edit: just so people know you can refuse the bike claim but will be suspended from racing for a time.

[@Henrybankhead]

You obviously don't know what your talking about it's all bullsht I just watched Brian deagans stream they said alot off this is not true and that there cool with the other people they gave him 2 motors and a bike they didn't want to sell it because star Yamaha worked so hard on it and the Yamaha dealer wanted that tech from star. Get your facts before you start talking

[@ctone12]

@@Henrybankhead That literally doesn't matter.

[@dylanlevy2107]

Why would a Yamaha rider exploit a pro Yamaha rider/team? An you wonder why Yamaha called his dealer an was gonna make it so they can't even sell Yamahas? Do u understand cause an effect?

[@ctone12]

@@dylanlevy2107 the effect of cornering a kid following the rules is probably worse. Star Yamaha knew the risk going into Lorettas.

[@dylanlevy2107]

@@ctone12 a bike hasn't been claimed in 20 some odd years.. this isn't normal an that's why haiden an Yamaha are mad especially Yamaha cause one of their own riders tried to F their pro team it's common sense

[@Carbonx007]

alright...this is exciting..10th time I've heard about it..maybe ur version is different..let's go!!!! lol

[@dkp307]

That's shitty if Yamaha tried to take the kid's sponsors Dealer Agreement. I don't blame the kid for wanting the bike. AMA rule says he can. And I'd be upset too if I was the Deegans. But for Yamaha to threaten to take away the sponsors way of earning a living by not letting him sell their bikes anymore is seriously effed up.

[@hesutton]

That's all speculation, rumor, gossip. This guy wasn't there and no one else repeating those claims were either. Just rumor. But, that kid blackballed himself in moto industry! It was a stupid move. Very stupid.

[@dkp307]

@@hesutton true. Kid better get a lot faster to have any sort of chance

[@danielfine2768]

I tell my kids all the time that your decision making has consequences either good or bad. Yamaha obviously doesn’t sponsor this kid, a Yamaha shop owner does. Yamaha has invested so much into Star and the Deegan’s just to have a bike they’ve worked very hard on taken away. I can see why yamaha flexed their muscle if that is true.

[@johnnybirdman]

I think that there should be an option in the rule where if they don't want to give the factory bike they can just give the base factory parts like suspension and motor and transmission exhaust instead of giving up a tuned in race bike

[@alexgonzalezMI]

That is complete BS that Deegans team did that. Threatening the dealer? Come on... I'd have claimed the bike and then left the sponsor. Go ride a Honda or something.

[@brucethompson6706]

I think... but feel free to correct Me if I'm wrong. Only a competitor can "claim" a bike right? I think if AMA would change the rule and make it where Anyone can claim a bike, but have to pay 2 times what a retail stock bike would cost, that would help level the playing field. Factory's would not give Amateur's a Pro Level bike's in fear of loosing the research and development that they have rightly paid for, only to have someone claim it, and be able to reverse engineer it and market it. I'm not saying that is what happened. But a Factory or team would think twice about giving a kid a $30,000 to $50,000 dollar bike with factory trick shit on it with the possibility of loosing it. Amateur kids supported by Mom and Dad, and uncle Bruce could never afford. This would keep it a reasonable "Mod Class" for "Amateur's". And not put a kid that wants to go Pro someday in harms way from powerful intimidating Factory's or possibly wack job parent's or being "blackballed" That could end up tarnishing their career or making them look like a whining sore loser. Sorry... Toni Alessi comes to mind for some reason.

[@kyleosbun]

Hell yeah the deegans and yamaha should be upset. I could see maybe after the season when hes done with the bike. If yamaha wants to sell it then sure. But why should they be forced to when haiden has races left on it? Thats kinda fucked up since haiden earned that bike and someone else can just take it.

[@bountyhunta8683]

It's called R&D

[@jfratis9081]

But why? It's in the rules.

[@meds4all]

As long as the kid feels he got the better of the deal the fine with the unclaimed. Follow the rules, and I can completely understand the reaction from them about losing the bike with championships in the line. Personally if I would have started the claim process from not knowing all the factors I'd believed I would have gone through with it. But like I said if the kid and family feel they got what they needed without getting that bike, then it worked our. Yamaha may not want it to go but they family could have brokered a better deal for them and motocross is a business after all and working the system is part of making business decisions.

[@blakeh5847]

I don't think they should be able to buy the bike until after the race week is over. I don't think it's a terrible rule but it would be a huge pita to have your bike claimed. Don't think Haiden needs a factory bike when he has 2s on everybody each moto

[@jeromejeffrey]

The AMA had a process for this. Haiden and Yamaha would have been able to prep and race the bike, then hand it over afterward.

[@kishoremoses7350]

It is a modified class so they can do what they want to the bikes. From what I have read the engine builder wants to know why what he does not produce as much power as the factory bikes. That’s why he conned the kids into claiming the bike. The kid also lied about the money. The money was given by the engine builder. He was along for the ride so he could ride a factory bike. There are so many stories out there and we will never really know the true store. But the engine builder for the kid is who we should find out more about. One store has him only coming to Loretta’s for the first time with the kid to any race. That is something I would like more info on him.

[@anthony705]

Was Deegan allowed to use the bike to finish Loretta Lynn's prior to him giving up the bike? If so, then the sale should of went through. If not, that's BS! You shouldn't be able to take a riders bike prior to the end of the races.

[@nate-my6me]

Another video stated that they had it impounded and would have had to line up with the bike at the gate in the condition it entered impound in. This didn’t end up happening though as the deal got scrapped before the next race and they rebuilt the bike and swapped the engine out before the last race.

[@AussieBassplayer]

Rules are rules, Yamaha would of been stupid to think someone wouldn't claim that bike... who wouldn't want deegans last amateur bike...

[@_isaackk._]

I've always been a big fan of the Deegans and I get that they would wanna keep the bike for memories but I guess rules are rules and it sucks🤷‍♂️

[@Jim_jong_un]

The deegans don’t own the bike.

[@_isaackk._]

@@Jim_jong_un you get what I mean at least

[@jordanturner5048]

I agree not to mention the hours of ridding and practice it took to get the bike set up, I believe it could have been handled differently but it is a crap rule IMO

[@_isaackk._]

@@jordanturner5048 fr

[@joracer1]

It don't suck if you can break the rules and get by with it using mob tactics. If the Deegans have enough pull to void this rule, I guess all the top privateers will be riding full blown $150k factory bikes now at Lorettas. Great Job AMA.

[@purpsprite]

Alessi's last super mini got claimed back in the day. Racer X had a pretty cool write up on it a couple years back.

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

Claiming cant work when there is factory teams backing amateur class. Makes sense for the kid wanting to have a cheaper factory bike. But end of the day Yamaha is a huge company and their Star division spent untold money on these bikes specifically for Danger boy. I think them offering to give him parts and let him try out a factory bike is a great way to make both sides happy. the D's get to keep their invested time and the memories with that bike and the rider who claimed the bike gets to keep his money and still gets factory parts thrown his way. That bike probably has over 40k worth of time and parts put into it so of course they are protective of it

[@jonashworth3827]

@@jth_printed_designs dude your so right. dont even bother arguing with these star racing burner accounts.

[@wereallcrazysowhat]

Don't forget he also offered to sell the bike back after he used it for his next race and his mechanic said he had nothing to do with it and wouldn't take the bike apart or work on it.

[@kaidenmarthaler6017]

Personally I stand with the deegans on this one but quite honestly I feel like the AMA should make it the rider and teams decision to sell the bike or not to. Just a personal opinion but I do feel bad for the deegans having to deal with all that

[@TCON42499]

Makes me wonder why no one claimed Amsoil Hondas fuel injected 150, that bike easily had 4x the retail price put into it. That’s how I know this is wrong from the buyers side, they’re just trying to get the star bike

[@kellybrown6988]

Doesn’t make sense what you’re saying, of course they want the star bike, if they wanted the Honda bike they would’ve put a claim in for that one. Lol! The whole reason for claiming someone’s bike is to get that bike to be in your possession, to do whatever the hell u want to with it, and to deter people from spending tons of money on their own bike.

[@TCON42499]

@@kellybrown6988 How does it make no sense? Do you really think the star bike is the only bike of that caliber that has ever been to the ranch? Go look up the last time a claim was made at LL before this then get back to me.

[@obmx9677]

as a European, I think it sounds completely insane that there is a rule in the AMA that dictates that you are forced to sell your bike to anyone, I thought in the USA of all places, your property rights are protected, just follow them general FIM rules it is much easier, then it is free for all

[@josephallen8044]

Well, do you think it's fair for someone to bring a factory race bike to a amateur race. It should be a equal playing field.

[@obmx9677]

@@josephallen8044 It doesn't matter, just because you have more horsepower doesn't guarantee you victory, especially when it's amateurs competing against each other

[@obmx9677]

@Scooty Puff Jr. because it sells, and it allows you to adjust things completely according to the river. if the skills aren't there, you can have all the gear but you won't get anywhere, It's not a problem in the rest of the world so why should it be in the US?,

[@josephallen8044]

@@obmx9677 smoke another one, we are talking about being competitive. Having a factory racing bike, is a unfair advantage.

[@obmx9677]

@Scooty Puff Jr. if it wasn't a problem, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, we would, if the problem is big enough, it might be changed in the AMA, I just think it's a stupid rule, and I have the right to think so, and I can only say that it works quite well according to the international FIM regulations

[@KyleSchwanz]

A rule is a rule. I think it’s crazy that you can take someone’s bike before the race is over, but you have to follow the rule.

[@johnmarconi3997]

Where were Brandon’s parents when Deegan was grilling their son?

[@Davido50]

That's Brandon's problem ..they financing the $17k bike so why aren't they there.

[@HillBilly1905]

This was my main concern. Being a father I would be down with my 17 year old son

[@jeromejeffrey]

Totally agree. Cornering and grilling a child without a parent or guardian present is a huge problem (if that's what occurred).

[@Shawn-ts4jw]

What do you mean cornered and grilled him? He was asked if Deegan can speak to him privately and he said yes he will. And then after the meeting he said Deegan was nice to him. So where did you get your false info from?

[@jeromejeffrey]

@@Shawn-ts4jw there are reports that the MX Sports guy grilled him, not Deegan. And I didn't write that it happened, but rather that there are reports of it happening which should be investigated. Until there's an investigation, no information will have been proven true or false.

[@danielc5205]

Rules are rules. My relatives use to race circle track cars and the NHRA had similar rules.

[@dominicborchmann68]

there was definitely something on that bike Yamaha didn’t want anyone to know about

[@justjesse16]

imo. . . yamaha should be fined by the ama. the business owner should sue them for extortion. if a bikes claimed thats it. its claimed. bullying with money and power is what kills sports in todays world

[@ZKern7]

Looking at it completely unbiased, this is a dumb rule that should be entirely agreed upon by both parties. If someone offers the owner of the bike 2x what it’s worth, and the owner of the bike still doesn’t want to sell that should be the end of it. Not to mention, Hayden deegans bike is worth 2x what it costs just because of who he is. That being said, even if they get the bike they may burn too many bridges to ever be a true factory guy in the future. Not a super smart business move, going for one of the top influencers in our sport.

[@VlogEpicness]

This is a bad look for Yamaha. They shouldn't have brought the bike and threatening the kid and his sponsor is jacked up.

[@johnmarconi3997]

Shame on the Deegans and Yamaha. Rules are rules.

[@ronniewilliz153]

Yea I'm feeling the same. They pushed him to say nvm. An tbh I think they had a special or modded engine in it an didn't get time to change it back out but hayden is very good an he don't need to cheat so why do it of they did. but idk why they did that to that guy. Very messed up. They dang near ran him off the came site

[@nathanscottshoemaker2554]

Deegan and Cotten were wrong in their speculation that it was something other than just the kids motivation to have that “a factory bike” so it was improper for the promoter/not an AMA official to isolate a minor with out some custodial or agent in interest representation if only as a buffer agains perception of impropriety. Their suspicions were reasonable though circumstantial and I believe the rider when he says it was his sol ambition not his engine builder despite his coincidental presents and co care for the kids interests. It sounds to me that it was Yamaha America that went rash in overstep on an unrepresented minor though they have some measure of within the rules and legal proprietary interest. It’s an interesting lesson to all party’s about systemic implications good or bad of industry involvement in developmental youth sports a minor child though mature reasoned and diligent up against heavy darts buisness with international corporate leveraging and power exertion.

[@geraldpearson6679]

The kid didn't have the cash a mechanic had the cash and asked the kid to go up and claim it that's what happened. Because the mechanic wasn't racing so he couldn't claim the bike. All that being said AMA needs to change that rule.

[@plutus205]

This is a massive investment opportunity. I'm goin g to Loretta's next year any buying every factory teams bike. Each bike is worth way more that $18,000

[@jeffreygattis850]

You just said it.....the Schofields "PLANNED" this know that he would races his class. This is a garbage move. To get Deegans bike for a youtube fam

[@cw93711]

All 250b mod bikes have atleast 14 to 15k in them. So it's more than 2 times value for anyone in that mod 250b class Schofield wasn't just in the room with Tim from mx sports and Brian deegan. The ama race director was in the room also as it held in his office, which is also told office. Next Yamaha can't just pull a dealership agreement from a dealer. It's illegal. The court system wouldn't allow it. Schofield said in interview he didn't get anything when he dropped it.

[@Capital993]

It's all BS the rules are there for a reason. He has every right to that bike. Anyone getting in the way of that or sponsors playing games is just using their power to get what they want and that is an unfair advantage.

[@dylanlevy2107]

So when a Yamaha rider tries to exploit Yamahas pro race team an steal their ECU an mapping Yamaha is wrong for saying hey we are gonna drop you an I'm calling your dealership an they won't be selling Yamahas either?

[@Capital993]

@@dylanlevy2107 it's the rules, if you have something to hide, don't bring it. You know the risks involved going in. Not saying I wouldn't be upset but that's the risk you take.

[@dylanlevy2107]

@@Capital993 bottom line anyone could have bought a star bike in years prior an no one has abought a bike period in like 20 years, this is all cause of haidens name an the kid wanting what's not his which is fans an a factory bike lmao

[@dylanlevy2107]

@@Capital993 an if you have a problem with that get a factory ride, or don't race the best mod bikes in the best class for future pros pretty simple. U don't go around jacking parts to exploit major companies an for a KZbin video he even admitted

[@Capital993]

@@dylanlevy2107 sounds like you know a lot more about this than I do. No matter the motive or ethics, the rules allow for it, simple as that. Is it right? That's not for me to decide but I'm guessing they will take another look after this season. To be honest, if it were my bike, I'd be doing e everything in my power to keep my bike too. I'm sure that bike means the world to him, his family and everyone involved.

[@FirstorDirt]

Everything on your armature bike should be available to the public

[@rhettnalder3191]

I really respect the deegans but they can’t be mad if someone try’s to get their bike. It’s part of the rules, I feel like star and the deegans are manipulating the ama.

[@RollTideRoll_GSP]

Brennan played it perfectly, should’ve really pushed the matter and allowed his engine builder to go through that bike after he rode it. I don’t think it was anybody’s idea but Brennan because he rides and is also a mechanic. Sure he wants to see what all a Star Factory bike has to offer that he dang sure can’t get his hands on in his world! AMA needs to do an investigation because the only person that who’s gonna be disciplined is Brennan for following the rules. Kid is 17 and raised that money himself, let him get the bike. I believe the kid!

[@ctsugusergroup1397]

Never really understood the claiming rule in amateur racing. This class, if I’m not mistaking, is a mod class which means the rider can do a lot of things to the bike short of going over a set limit on the engine size. What this really is, is plain ole simple jealousy towards another. Listen to the winners in each class, they were naming off all kinds of sponsors and their bike was tricked out, too. I saw another thread were someone was naming off all the aftermarket parts that he thought was on the bike. So what. Not everyone in life is going to be a winner, just deal with it.

[@1176hambone]

Actually, the AMA rule says you don't have to deal with it. That's the point. Bad sportsmanship on the part Yamaha, promoter, and the AMA. They were the ones who should just "deal with it"... instead they used intimidation, bribery, and coercion to conceal the advantage.

[@jfratis9081]

irrelevant.

[@joker114th]

Simple fix for anybody who does not want their bike taken/sold ,Don’t overspend and use all these factory parts, Most families sacrifice everything so the kid gets an EVEN chance and some families don’t ,The rule is for this very situation,Nobody likes rules but that’s the game if you wanna run what you bring

[@geraldpearson6679]

Hayden could have won the races with a stock bike. If the kid wants to know how it feels to ride a factory bike go faster.

[@racingwrld]

but haiden wasnt on a factory bike, it was an amateur spec bike, *Here's brian's response to the bike claim **kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5K5XouEr9qke6s*

[@Nateb521]

It may seem extreme but is a pretty effective rule. If you have a bike you don't want to risk losing bring a stock bike with only a few mods. In this case i think Deegan didn't need a full on factory bike to win. Just sad that the experience of the largest armature race was spoiled by this for a lot of young riders. I like Yamaha and the Deegans but i think they might have made a mistake here.

[@strobelife10]

I find this rule very interesting coming from the golf world. I’d be pissed if I had to sell my clubs after an event regardless the price. Imagine someone being able to claim tiger woods putter after one of his majors for 2x msrp ha. Dumb rule, way better way I’d imagine to keep teams and riders in check from cheating if this is what it was about. I’m guessing the kid thought for 17k he could make some KZbin videos and then sell it to some old rich deegan fan for 100k. I blame the rule book on this one. I see every parties point of view.

[@MOS09W1]

Tiger woods is a pro. Golf clubs don’t have the crazy price tag and technology these bikes do. The analogy doesn’t make sense.

[@therawlifefamily]

It's very very common in motorsports

[@strobelife10]

Well before Tiger turned pro Im sure there would have been loads of ppl who would have signed up to buy tiger woods clubs after his 3rd US amateur title. Imagine what those would sell for. It’s apples to oranges but just silly rule. But amateurs in Moto can get paid so just completely different the way the sports are run.

[@seaneasley5130]

Rules are rules, they need to be enforced, I love the deegans

[@MOS09W1]

The worst part is Brian Deegan addressing the kid at all. Way out of line. I would have completely lost my shit on Brian if I was this kids dad. The rule is a great rule. Amateur racing is ridiculous with these bikes anyway. This just helps to keep it somewhat honest. And for the record I’m a Deegan fan but Brian is wrong as hell on this one.

[@pop4783]

i don't know what video you watched but brian never mentioned the kid's name it was cooksey media that said the name

[@dennisnbrown]

@@pop4783 Mr Deegan participated in a closed door meeting with a minor without a parent and pressuring the kid. That’s enough for me. What a douche.

[@xcrash34x]

It's a good rule for the amateurs to stop this exact thing, and the fact it went unenforced is discouraging for the fairness of Lorettas