Haiku OS R4 Beta: Is This An Operating System You Can USE?

[@johnforbes1659]

Thank you for a much more profound examination of Haiku than all the others. We know that the web browser needs work, though it's not such an easy thing to do. However, I can tell you that KZbin does work on my system. I am watching this now on my Thinkpad X230. Bare metal, not a VM. And yes, please, let's have Part II.

[@DSTechMedia]

Thank you for watching! I've been meaning to do a video on Haiku for so long now, and I had no idea how well done it actually was. There's a lot to it, and it's very fun to use. And I do plan on doing part 2.

[@DSTechMedia]

Also I meant to ask you: 32 or 64bit, and which browser are you using to watch KZbin?

[@stevenstordal251]

Great video that dives far beyond just the installation process and first impressions! Thank you! With the Falcon browser added to the repositories and KZbin working great now, we all have much more to learn about Haiku! Ready for part 2 ;)

[@badtux74]

I'm looking forward to the second video, thanks for this great contribution.

[@DSTechMedia]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheDesertBlizzard]

Indeed. Please do a follow up. I have been playing with it for a little while now and still learned something from this. The world needs a good single user OS like this and the more coverage the better. As old as BeOS it is, it’s skill fresh and technically “newer” than the heritage Windows and especially Linux comes from. Love it. Good work.

[@DSTechMedia]

I do plan to do a follow-up video, and thank you. I would also love to see this become a usable OS, and im surprised by how far it has come. Its a difficult task getting devs and users to adopt an OS. Linux was also made as an alternative to UNIX, and there are still people who wont use it because its missing their 3rd party app of choice.

[@Mangaki86]

this OS looks very promising i love what I've seen so far. Look much more user friendly then other OS alternatives.

[@DSTechMedia]

Its a fun OS, however Im demonstrating it in a VM on a decent machine which is equivalent to an academic environment for a general purpose OS. I haven't yet started my real hardware trials, but from what i understand it can be difficult.

[@blazingarrows6117]

Yes. Please make a part 2. Thank you.

[@zenecho]

nice deep dive - thanks

[@ajindaru_fy]

I love Haiku OS so much.

[@unit3surgeryhims]

Beautiful

[@MTMMoonlight]

Absolutely loved this video, I would love to try the os. A mobile version would be very interesting.

[@IrrationalExuberance]

I just want to point out (re: People address book) saves entries as files is because on the BeFS filesystem file attributes can be arbitrarily added. They had this concept at the time of: "what if instead of hierarchical filesystems, file systems behaved more like database tables?" There were other places you'd see this idea crop up, such as audio files (who needs to embed ID3 tags and all of that sort of thing when the same data can be stored right in the filesystem's attributes?) I am not sure if the ultimate goal was to completely remove the concept of recursive / hierarchical folders or what. Also check out the history of the earliest Macintosh filesystem as they added nested folders later on (it didn't have them at first, from what I've read.) Pre OSX mac filesystems also had a concept of data fork vs resource fork and the resource fork could store a lot of extra data. The BeOS stuff I know about more first hand, because I actually messed with it back in the late 90s

[@IrrationalExuberance]

Alright well HFS+ was still in use on OSX until APFS so you probably could still copy old mac files with resource forks to those filesystems without information loss, but I don't believe OS X really has ever done much with them besides the filesystem being capable of preserving them. Not 100% sure on that one.

[@DSTechMedia]

When you mention storing info as filesystem attributes, what was the advantage of this? Was it trying to get read speed up? Also if stored as FS attributes what happens to that data when you copy to a different filesystem type?

[@IrrationalExuberance]

@@DSTechMedia Good question on both parts! I want to claim scanning file metadata was fast because it was implemented at the "OS" / filesystem level, but I don't remember anything at this point to back such a claim up. Given that this now is commonly done at a higher level (ie user space level like say, something like iTunes (now Apple Music) or any number or indexing library programs I'd assume this was more efficient at a lower level, but it'd be a lie to claim I know this for a fact empirically. I'd assume special meta data on a file designed for one filesystem gets lost when transferred to another filesystem. Linux was taking off at the same time in the server "space" so filesystem compatibility was definitely a huge factor and a lowest common denominator and it was easy to work around losing some basic owner vs group vs read / write / execute permissions issues as well as a few time stamps (filesystem meta data fields)

[@IrrationalExuberance]

Now with SSDs and such its even faster to get lazy and delegate to higher and higher levels of abstraction, but It would be interesting to pit a true filesystem level form of metadata against the modern approach especially with the modern hardware we have. And with energy consumption being a "cardinal sin" of modern civ perhaps it is not such a bad idea to hold computing accountable to efficiency once again. I hope people continue to revisit these aspects of software development over the coming years as I find it hypocritical the modern computer industry claims to be "progressive" yet sneers at efficiency and the like

[@tkenben]

@@IrrationalExuberance You mention energy efficiency. It's worth noting that the original BeOS in my experience used 100% of the cpu whenever it could. In my experience, my system seemed to always be at max whenever the screen needed updating. Haiku is a different animal, though, so I doubt it sacrifices everything for the sake of UI response in the same manner.

[@bened22]

Real life media production in Haiku would be interesting, because I really ask myself what Haiku could do for me. I used to get really excited about Operation Systems but nowadays I mostly expect them to get out of the way and "just work".

[@DSTechMedia]

Which OS do you prefer? Or which OS gets out of the way in your opinion? Haiku is an OS that I wouldn't have thought of as actually usable, but since spending time with this release it's mostly there. But at the same time I don't think it does anything that Linux can't do.

[@bened22]

@@DSTechMedia Well my favourite would be any good Linux distro but they all have a tendency to break after one or the other update. Windows 10 is the OS I have to use as long as I want to be on the cutting edge of Media Technology. What kind of shocked me about Haiku OS is that it is single-user. That really shows it's Workstation and 90s roots. It's cool but more in a nostalgia way and not so much for actually getting stuff done.

[@DSTechMedia]

Interesting. I've had only a couple breaks in Linux from updates. One was Fedora 21, and most likely my fault because I was new to Linux. The other was Elementary OS 3rd version because they pushed broken networking packages that I had to fix by downloading on another system. Both Arch and Ubuntu have been extremely reliable. As for Haiku as a daily/work system it's not there yet, but with the apps available it's theoretically close to possible. But when I go to try it's likely I'll run into some roadblocks that I didn't encounter in testing for this video.

[@kcorn6630]

Actually, I've used arch for awhile now, and it's known for being bleeding edge, and I have had no issues at all. Upgrades or other wise.

[@DSTechMedia]

I left Arch for Ubuntu simply because of hardware failure. I had already started this channel, and so I needed to get Linux on another computer up and running as quickly as possible so I went with Ubuntu because I know it best. But I have never had anything break while updating Arch. I had Elementary OS break once because they pushed a bad package. I've also had Fedora break on me.

[@jmdennis1967]

I was one that when Apple was looking at revaming the OS that I hoped they would have bought be os but instead went a different way. At the time I thought this would be the best for them to choose.

[@DSTechMedia]

It would have been interesting to see the different direction. But at the same time I appreciate NeXT, and Apple OSX.

[@tomm5905]

Would love a part two!

[@DSTechMedia]

I plan to do one. I have other videos in the works at the moment, and it takes a lot more effort than you would think.

[@globetrotterdk]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Best video on Haiku OS ever. Please do a part two about music production (audio, MIDI, Web MIDI, etc.) on Haiku. I would also like to hear your reasoning for installing OSS audio…

[@DSTechMedia]

I plan to do a part 2 yes, but i cant say for sure how soon because i have other videos in the works and try to do consistent releases. The reason for installing OSS was I had no audio mixer at all in the beginning. My research said this was a VMware issue, and the fix was OSS and a tweak to the .vmx configuration file.

[@globetrotterdk]

@@DSTechMedia I am currently running Haiku on bare metal, but have run into a snag for my future plans, as Haiku apparently does not yet support USB sound cards... Otherwise, the install has been a positive experience. I am using rEFInd to dual boot between Haiku and my Linux install. It is possible to use rEFInd without Grub2 installed for Linux, as rEFInd supports "EFI stub" booting (included with the install), so a boot loader isn't necessary.

[@DSTechMedia]

Thats interesting i may have to look into that for a future video. If i test it on bare metal Ill also test the USB issue. That problem would make a lot of what i demonstrated with audio impossible on bare metal.

[@lukemeissner1741]

Runs perfectly on bare metal on my thinkpad X200 tablet. Even got WiFi, Bluetooth and Wacom pen working decent. I only want Firefox ported over.

[@zizlog_sound]

Great overview of Haiku. Only heard about it couple days ago. Was always interested in BeOS but never got into it. Love to see Haiku taking its place. Will give it a go as it seems to have great potential. Aren’t these applications ported from Linux as you say, rather compiled from source for Linux or Haiku?

[@DSTechMedia]

I ran it on a VM for the video. Would recommend looking into the hardware support before attempting install. Good luck though.

[@friedpicklezzz]

Most likely Haiku doesn’t tap into your systems hardware video decoders, causing it to have to play back video through your CPU.

[@CaribouDataScience]

Sure I would like to see more.

[@DSTechMedia]

I plan to make another one. I have to be kind of strategic about working on videos because my absolute minimum is one video per month, and it can be a struggle to even hit that mark. Plus I know that the follow-up Haiku video is more involved, and I'm going to try to get it running on real hardware.

[@UmbertoAmante]

Yes, talk next about media editing like Medo the video editor

[@DSTechMedia]

Thank you for mentioning this. I didn't know about it before now, but I've added it to my notes.

[@johnstath9666]

One of the advantages of being a hoarder is that I still have a BEOS cd drive with an active OS. Haiku is much better. Great video. Di the part 2.

[@DSTechMedia]

Thank you, and thats awesome. I wonder if that's valuable? I actually have an archive of BeOS with software that I downloaded somewhere in preparation for the video. I even made an attempt to get the original BeOS running. I do plan on doing the follow-up video since I've had a lot of people request it so there's some pressure too. It's a struggle to publish even one video a month sometimes. I'm currently working on a documentary about the original PlayStation, and I had to pause that to make a video for this month. For Haiku part 2 a lot of people Express the desire to see it running on bare metal, and I have to attempt to get it to run on some combination of hardware that I have. But as soon as I get it figured out I will be publishing a video about it.

[@johnstath9666]

@@DSTechMedia I do get the difficulties in creating videos. But take the time you need it was well worth watching.

[@TriVoxel]

The Haiku mail app works with modern email systems like Gmail. You need to generate an app-specific password, which is just a normal password that is randomly generated by Google so that it's more secure and can be revoked.

[@DSTechMedia]

Interesting. Ill give it another try taking this into consideration. I spent a fairly good amount of time trying to get this working, and my conclusion was that you needed an API key in order to do it.

[@TriVoxel]

@@DSTechMedia Yeah, not intuitive. What you do is log into Gmail on the web. Then, head over to Gmail's settings. Somewhjere in there, you'll find stuff about imap, and you can generate app-specific passwords somewhere in there. I couldn't tell you exactly how or where, but I think you got this!

[@kami-kun_va]

That intro reminds me of the first boot intros from OSX

[@DSTechMedia]

I've honestly never seen it because I've never owned a Mac. I always had Windows systems before Linux. Though, today I totally respect Mac as an OS and platform. Really wish I'd gotten a chance to use BeOS and especially the Commodore Amigas. I have no skills in 3D graphics, but I can hack-animate reasonably with 2D. I like to try things out whenever I get an opportunity, and this was just one of those times.

[@kami-kun_va]

@@DSTechMedia Cool. I never owned a Macintosh either, but I remember some of the animations from the first time setup from watching Druaga1 back when he mostly fiddled about with old Macs. Those were the days...

[@iltuosistema]

Great video...I realy apreciate! 👏

[@samshort365]

I did a test drive of Beta 4 on VirtualBox. It required a host command line hack or two to get the video resolution right for my very large monitor, but it looks amazing. I also customised it with a dock and my preferred wallpaper. Stability wise, I think the 64 but version may be better. I'm running this on a Linux PC with 32GB of ram so I gave the VM 6GB and Otter Browser loaded KZbin videos, although there wás some sputtering, which may be due to the virtualised environment. Some sites, however, wouldn't work at all and I found myself toggling between Otter, Web Positive and Falkon. On the productivity front, Libreoffice worked a charm and I could even create formatted texts using LaTex. Bewinebox is a wine container in that runs a windows compatibility later over a Linux layer. Not super fast, but it works. Overall, Haiku does most of what I do on Linux or FreeBSD and does it well. I think that once it is out of Beta this operating system will be a welcome consideration, particularly on low end machines.

[@DSTechMedia]

Didn't know about BeWinebox, but ill have to test that out. I really like Haiku from my VM testing, but from my research into using it on real hardware it appears it could be a challenge.

[@samshort365]

@@DSTechMedia What if I told you that I'm writing this under Haiku Os running on a Dell Optiplex 790 with 8GB of Ram. Yes, there are some challenges, but its possible. My only issue on this setup was networking. I had to use a Vonets wifi to ethernet bridge adaptor to get online. Otherwise, it runs very fast, smooth and hasn't crashed once over the last week of casual use. In fact my girls and I have used it to play Otto Matic.

[@DSTechMedia]

I have an Optiplex so that was going to be my preferred box to test on. Its a Core2 Duo.

[@samshort365]

​@@DSTechMedia It should work. Mine is a Dell OptiPlex 790 Intel i7 2600 3.40Ghz 8GB RAM. I have an identical system with 32GB of Kingston HyperX FURY 4x 8GB DDR3 1333MHz PC3-10600 240 Pin memory modules in it and Haiku would hang at the 'atom' on the boot screen. FYI, the symbols are not decorative and have the following meanings (in case you don't know): Atom: Initializing modules. Disk + magnifier: Creating rootfs (/) and mounting devfs (/dev). Plug-in card: Initializing device manager. Boot disk: Mounting boot disk. Chip: Loading CPU specific modules. Folder: Final initialization of subsystems. Rocket: Launch_daemon has started the system Also don't forget to include the boot loader GRUB during the installation and leave at least a 5 second delay (part of the options) so that you have time to interact with the boot process in case you need to. My first hardware install was onto to a 32GB Emtec USB stick and it just worked, I haven't tried SSDs, but an older 500GB drive worked fine. Don't expect wifi to work, though. It may on your equipment and I haven't bothered checking device compatibility, so your on your own, but the wifi to ethernet bridge adapter is always the easiest option, although not the fastest, and it is the only option I have under RISC OS 5.28 (the latest) because that platform still lacks wifi. BTW, on that note you should try RISC OS 5.28 on a RPi4 or 400, if you haven't already. RISC OS is an ARM based graphical operating system originally written specifically for Archimedes and Acorn computers and uses a completely different mindset to modern operating systems where, for example folders are executables and all or most of the binaries, libraries, resources, documentation etc are contained within it (accessible by shift+left dbclick). All menus are context driven and require a 3 button mouse (or two button with scroll wheel). Apps only open to the taskbar in standby mode and are persistent even if you close them and files are manipulated only through drag and drop. e.g., to save a file you drop its icon into a folder. Finally, use Otter-Browser for YT on Haiku (and RISC OS). Not particularly great, but it works. You can also watch youtube on one of the YTviewer apps found in the Haikudepot.

[@DSTechMedia]

​@@samshort365 I'm going to be using ethernet since Optiplex is a desktop. I tested Otter in the video and KZbin worked sometimes. I had another app specifically for KZbin that worked, and then it didn't. I tested Haiku pretty thoroughly for this video, but haven't had the time to do it on real hardware since I try to produce at least one video per month. However, the incentive to do the hardware Haiku video is strong because I got a lot more engagement on my Haiku video than most of my Linux videos. I've ran RISC-OS before on a Pi-2, but never did a video on it. I have a Pi-4 and a Pine64 RockPro-64 that I haven't had a chance to use yet so I might run RISC-OS on one of those for a video. I really want to do videos for both Plan 9 & Inferno because they are very interesting to use. I really want to set-up a proper distributed system with them, or even an archival server.

[@oglothenerd]

I love Haiku! But there are some issues... like, you have to have the installation media plugged in just to boot the OS after install!

[@DSTechMedia]

Thats interesting. Do you get a bootloader at all where you can choose which OS to boot?

[@samshort365]

You didn't install GRUB! My installation works fine without the installation media plugged in.

[@oglothenerd]

@@samshort365 Oh. Ah, okay, thank you!

[@ousi00]

For web browsing, the Gnome's web browser (probably based on webkit) is ported to Haiku

[@quickdudley]

I found for most websites it seems to not work as well as WebPositive, but it does handle KZbin better.

[@ralfschulke1298]

Oh yes, Pairs ;-)

[@MikeBreytenbach]

I love how the default settings are crap and you have to fiddle around with it to make it better.

[@DSTechMedia]

Yes, and I found it interesting how much is there to do, but you have to find it for yourself. I spent hours off-camera testing and reading about BeOS and Haiku to find material for the video

[@MikeBreytenbach]

@@DSTechMedia That's the complete opposite of what I want in an OS. There's no reason the developers can't make the system as efficient and easy to use as possible out of the box. You won't lose any customisation options or control, it would just come with all the settings set to what the community feels are ideal.

[@Alex-je6od]

Technically Haiku uses GCC2 for BeOS compat, and GCC 11.2 for a modern compiler. Only the 32-bit x86 architecture offers GCC2 + GCC 11 compilers. Everything else is GCC 11.2

[@DSTechMedia]

Yes this is a distinction I missed. I forgot to specify 32bit, and at the time wasn't aware of 11.2 for the 64bit. Thank you.

[@unit3surgeryhims]

This should how real SSs look like.

[@Geek-a-Zoid]

I can boot to Haiku on a thumb drive on an old iMac 21.5, after the installation I am unable to boot to haiku the mac shows no bootable devices. I'm not super familiar with iMacs so I am not sure what to do next, any ideas?

[@DSTechMedia]

Sorry i missed your response until now. Holidays and all. Is your iMac PowerPC or Intel? Haiku's website has a bunch of guides for doing this. It sounds to me like its missing the designation for the bootloader. I don't know much about setting it up personally.

[@Geek-a-Zoid]

It's an intel, ty for the response I am still at a loss to what to do next@@DSTechMedia

[@DSTechMedia]

@@Geek-a-Zoid I know you've probably seen these already, but if not here's some stuff I found: It looks like one issue people run into is with UEFI BIOS. IF your Mac is from the past 10 years it may have UEFI instead of EFI. Hope you get it sorted out. An alternative is to run it as VM like I did in the video, but I know not everyone likes using it that way. discuss.haiku-os.org/t/haiku-on-mac/8815?page=2 discuss.haiku-os.org/t/haiku-on-mac/8815?page=2 discuss.haiku-os.org/t/haiku-on-mac/8815

[@Geek-a-Zoid]

I will give that a try thank you for the information and the links!@@DSTechMedia

[@EMMANUELNINOS]

in order to install Haiku on the disk, NOT a virtual machine, is the partition/format procedure the same ????

[@fabiot.1352]

On a brand new blank disk, yes. Otherwise, if you want to have multiple OSes with a boot manager or a multiboot efi system, there are some more steps to take care. Try reading the documentation in haiku website and the haiku forum

[@jonathancadle1261]

I love the UI, but no amount of tinkering could get the sound or Wi-Fi working on my old MacBook. I installed opensound and disabled the HD Audio driver, but the new driver still wouldn’t work. I’m still keeping an eye on the project though, and I’ll try again with R5.

[@DSTechMedia]

Thats unfortunate. I did this video with a VM, and realized after the fact that hardware support is a bit of a struggle depending on the machine. Though I feel like Macs are usually going to be difficult in general for alternative OSes.

[@jonathancadle1261]

@@DSTechMedia That's the truth. I've had relatively good luck with older macs on Linux, particularly Debian, as many other distros have dropped i386 support, and I occasionally run into the odd 32-bit mac mini.

[@DSTechMedia]

@@jonathancadle1261 There are a lot of Linux devs who strive for Mac support. There's even a distro dedicated to Apple's Silicon now. I've never owned a Mac personally aside from iPhones/iPods, but I've been tempted often to cross over. I feel like I need Linux/Windows, but not so much Mac yet.

[@CaribouDataScience]

I use it to run Emacs...

[@rossgeography]

for anyone coming to this in late 2024 - Falkon browser provides KZbin playback afaik

[@rossgeography]

comprehensive demo though :)

[@amanygaber330]

Hello sir, I wanna know what algorithms that this OS used , how to know that?

[@DSTechMedia]

Sorry, I dont know what you mean.

[@User-ls2mc]

I've been using it for a while now and it works decent. however, any linux distro would be better for most use cases, especially stability. haiku still has many bugs.

[@DSTechMedia]

Yeah I can't disagree. However, there has been a lot added since I first since I first tested Haiku, and I'm sure there is not a ton of financial incentive for the developers. So it truly is a labor of love, and I just appreciate that there are people who work to make it better.

[@ukyoize]

I wonder if it would pepossible to write something like WOW64 so that 64 bit OS could run legacy programs.

[@core36]

what legacy software would make it worth?

[@DSTechMedia]

BeOS legacy stuff which was only 32-bit.

[@DSTechMedia]

I would think this should be a priority of the Haiku team as it was designed to be a way forward for BeOS users. Even if BeOS was here today we can safely assume it would have become 64bit, and found a way to accommodate for this.

[@NsndoBrasil]

More how to install it directly in HD how to do it step by step. Obrigado.

[@DSTechMedia]

I plan to do a real-hardware installation for part 2, and I'll include that process.

[@core36]

Any hardware recommendations for a real haiku pc, not just vm?

[@DSTechMedia]

I cant speak on it from experience, but maybe this thread could help: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27957522

[@soviet9922]

To start i never got it to boot in any of my computers.

[@SamRecon]

It need balena etcher some os image can't boot like fedora or nobara os get boot hybrid legacy/efi

[@loganxmen3114]

IS 64Bits..?

[@DSTechMedia]

Yes

[@mfs5493]

Appearance is not a priority.

[@sk9991]

使えるか？　って逆に聞きたいですね。仮想PCでしか事実上使えないし、まぁこの先も開発が続いて、 AMDやnVidiaがドライバーを供給するとか、そういった良いニュースがなければ、消滅したほうが マシでしょうね。

[@DSTechMedia]

You're not wrong. Driver support is lacking. There's supplementary support via VESA, but 3D work is slow. Older Nvidia GPU's do have available drivers. There needs to be community written OpenGL drivers for AMD or Nvidia. Linux has open-source drivers that are usable, but also not ideal.

[@ags_1905]

The music is too loud an annoying. Why would you produce a video where you speak, describing things, than cover your own voice? Doesn't make sense to me.

[@DSTechMedia]

Fair criticism. You have been the first to mention this, but everyone's speakers are different. I spent a lot of time adjusting music levels so that it wouldn't be too loud, and different sections have different volumes that slope up and down. Maybe I should make it even quieter next time. Could it also be that you dislike the music itself so you are more sensitive to it?

[@ags_1905]

​@@DSTechMedia I somehow disliked it, yes. But I find it inappropriate to be in this video all together. The mindset I come from is this: I came here to listen to and see the technical description that you did on an operating system. I have been watching Haiku and you presented some interesting things about it. Like me, I guess everyone came to see you demonstrate on the video the things you talk about on the audio. So the viewer's focus has to be on you, the presenter. Why would you want to deliberately move people's focus from the central element to a less important, possibly annoying one?

[@DSTechMedia]

Its common for videos to use background music while the presenter talks/demonstrates. Music where there are no vocals that is laid to the background, but still audible. I don't always add music, but this was a long video where it felt like it should have it.

[@hitechfl]

​@@ags_1905I agree. I don't need the music to hold my attention. While I didn't mind the music I would have enjoyed the video a lot more without it.

[@klaspeppar5619]

Wine Is Not (an) Emulator 😂

[@DSTechMedia]

Its sort of true, in spirit.

[@itstheweirdguy]

Kind of impressive that it supports beOS apps. Unfortunately, the only useful feature is that it's starting to allow gtk apps that work on linux, but you can just run those on linux. Also haiku has no modern web browser that works properly. There was no "killer app" for beOS. ReactOS makes a lot more sense than Haiku, ReactOS even has Haiku components in it. You know, computer programmers and developers are freaking geniuses....in their areas of expertise. You see what I'm getting at.

[@DSTechMedia]

Yeah all valid points. I think BeOS was its own killer app in a sense though. There were a lot of people out there who were using it, and even today its in use in some niche roles. Theres a short-wave broadcast company that makes a commercial broadcast system (costly too if i remember) specifically for BeOS & Haiku. But yes its hard to draw people to Haiku when Linux exists. As for ReactOS, I've tried it as well. Its been on my list of OS to do videos on, but last time I tested it I ran into some sort of issue that I dont remember. Maybe I should give it another look?

[@itstheweirdguy]

@@DSTechMedia ReactOS is hard to get running, it's pretty much only going to work in a VM. Yes I do recall that beOS was used in broadcasting, with some models actually having haiku installed. I would love to see a video about that! (the broadcasting connection for beos.....it's only viable application that still goes on)

[@DSTechMedia]

Yeah i plan to try to touch on it in the follow up video. Is the issue with running React OS on hardware a driver problem?

[@1bladerx]

Why do you have sound effects running in the background. Our brain can't concentrate as well when you are talking and in the background you have the sfx. Should I listen to you or the sound effects? I wanted to watch your video but I can't due to the irritation caused by SFX. Just about everybody on utube are doing these stupid and very distracting SFX and I hope people start complaining. We don't need anymore than someone with clear speech and no other distractions if you are interested in communicating something to the world. BeOS is my favorite operating system I don't know why google or somebody else didn't pick it up and develop it. It is taking so long for Haiku to develop, I am not sure if I will ever be able to leave windoze for a better non-intrusive (constant OS updates) OS!

[@DSTechMedia]

Its interesting because you are the 2nd person to complain. Its pretty standard to have background music, but i think on somr peoples speakers its louder than others. Have you tried Linux instead of Windows? Or maybe even MacOS.

[@UmbertoAmante]

The only OS worth running in a VM is ReactOS so that in the Linux desktop future some shitty WinBlows app can be run until the user is weaned off it. Running Haiku in a VM is pointless.

[@DSTechMedia]

I ran it as a VM as a matter of practicality because installing every OS I test isn't really practical. Many others will likely try it out this way though, and so I included the VM audio issue solution .